The big buzz in traditional Catholic circles over the past week concerns a recent report (courtesy of LifeSite News) that Francis, according to unnamed sources in Rome, may be plotting to overturn Summorum Pontificum.
According to the report, “liberal prelates inside the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith were overheard discussing a plan ascribed to the Pope to do away with Pope Benedict’s famous document…”
Specifically, it is alleged that Francis’ plan is to establish the SSPX as a Personal Prelature, at which point he will proceed to abolish Summorum Pontificum thereby constraining the Traditional Roman Rite within the Society, and this only after Benedict dies.
The report further suggests that Cardinal Muller may have acted to save the day by way of his June letter to Bishop Fellay outlining requirements that effectively derailed any chance that the SSPX and Rome might come to an agreement:
The LifeSite source suggested that the May 20 letter by Muller perhaps was written because he knows what Francis was up to and wanted to avoid the plan to bury Summorum Pontificum with Pope Benedict. “It’s directed not so much against Fellay but against the agreement,” said the source. “Pope Francis was very angry that document came out from Cardinal Muller and some say that’s why he made the decision to dismiss him.”
I hate to disappoint those who may wish to imagine that Cardinal Muller is some sort of Superhero, but this is pure nonsense.
The aforementioned letter specifically stated with respect to the requirements outlined therein:
…during the Audience granted to the Cardinal Prefect on May 20 2017, the Sovereign Pontiff approved these decisions.
There is no chance that Muller simply made this up.
In any case, setting aside the details of this report, we still must ask:
Does Francis really have it in mind to abolish Summorum Pontificum?
According to Rorate Caeli, the answer is no; rumors to this end should be dismissed as “Fake News.”
There seems to be a Fake News epidemic in traditional Catholic websites — the latest of which are repeated reports of “rumors” (there are true and untrue rumors…) according to which Pope Francis wants to “abolish” the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum.
The rumors recur periodically, with variations. Most often, it is said that Francis will do so as soon as there is a “deal” with the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) for the establishment of a worldwide Personal Prelature.
These rumors are not true.
So, what are we to believe?
It is anyone’s guess whether or not a plan involving the SSPX vis-à-vis Summorum Pontificum actually exists. On this point, I’m skeptical.
What we do know with absolute certainty, however, is that Francis has already overturned the motu proprio’s central point; namely, the unequivocal declaration that priests of the Latin Rite have no need of permission from anyone in order to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.
How soon so many seem to have forgotten that Francis took a sledgehammer to this foundational precept just five months into his reign of terror!
Recall that on August 6, 2013, Andrea Tornielli of “Vatican Insider” published an interview with Fr. Alessandro Apollonio, the Procurator General of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, in which they discussed the Holy See’s decision to restrict the order’s use of the so-called “Extraordinary Form.”
You see, a decree had just been issued by the Congregation for Religious, with the approval of Francis, that reads in part:
The Holy Father Francis has directed that every religious of the congregation of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is required to celebrate the liturgy according to the ordinary rite and that, if the occasion should arise, the use of the extraordinary form (Vetus Ordo) must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities, for every religious and/or community that makes the request.
Get that?
The use of the extraordinary form must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities.
Though the aforementioned decree was aimed specifically at the FFI, it effectively negated the very precept upon which every priest of the Latin Rite relies with regard to his right to celebrate the Mass of All Ages.
At the time of the decree’s issuance, I suggested that the future of Summorum Pontificum was thus hanging by a thread. Since then, I’ve been given no reason whatsoever to believe otherwise; indeed, on the contrary.
With the foundation of the document already well and truly compromised, barring a change of course, one has to imagine that it’s just a matter of time before Francis acts to destroy Summorum Pontificum entirely.
“The use of the extraordinary form must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities.”
This has always been the position in Europe. If you have an NO Bishop it won’t happen as SP was not mandated by PB. Diocesan priests will not confront their Bishop on this & as most of Europe’s Bishops are NO it is extraordinarily difficult to access TLM & then only perhaps once a month from a visiting priest. This cannot go on forever & those who do have the facility to attend TLM should help those who don’t rather than admonish them. The Holy See must get holy again & be made to accept that the Liturgy of Ages must be available, without exception, in all parishes across the world.
Ana Milan–When the Holy See gets holy again (truly Holy), the Catholic Church will know that the Liturgy of the Ages (TLM) must be celebrated exclusively in all parishes across the world–not along side the N.O. “mess” which is not holy AT ALL. There are two ways to help the enemy–actively fighting along side of them; or passively by supporting the N.O. “church” in any way, shape or form. This form of participation must be discouraged with kindness, love, education and charity.
Yes, with love and charity. We should also be aware that the adage to love our enemies cuts two ways. We all understand the difficulties of loving those who openly wish us harm. But what about those who thru their ignorance, thinking they are doing good, are in fact supporting evil? Many times those we love are our spiritual enemies. If not directly, then thru ignorance. The NO establishment is the enemy of Catholicisim. While we love and pray for the scales to fall from their eyes, any support of their heresy is aiding and abetting the enemy. To look to a modernist establishment to self-correct with a sudden collective realization of their errors is foolhardy. Its not going to happen.
Tom A, meanwhile, over at OnePeterFive, Steve Skojec is still defending Francis as a validly elected pope. He poo-poos anyone who disagrees with his personal interpretation on JPII’s Universi Dominici Gregis.
So what happened to St Pope Prius V. Quo Primum? Surley we must insist on its remnants and use this Holy Document as the basis and foundation for that Sacrament. Period. Summa by PB is a cheap copy. Going back to our roots that has defended us well until 1958. Get away from those febble wolves in sheeps clothing. Insist on our rights granted to priests. Holy priests assisted by laity in offering the True Sacrifice. We deserve nothing more or nothing less. Seriously. Does the order of Sacraments depend upon the retired man in hiding? I doubt that.
Archbishop Lefebvre:
“They want us to lay down our arms. They want us to enter into a kind of pacifism which is nothing more nor less than cowardice. In the face of Satan, in the face of the enemy, in the face of all those who seek the destruction of the Church, in the face of those who want to crush all Christians, to finish off Our Lord Jesus Christ here below, we are supposed to lay down our weapons.”
+Lefebvre:
“As soon as they had put down their arms they were all massacred. This horrifying massacre is still remembered today in Mexico. Pope Pius XI placed confidence in the government who deceived him. Afterwards, he was visibly very upset. He could not imagine how a government, which had promised to treat with honor those who defended their Faith, could have then gone on to massacre them.”
And would taking away Summorum Pontificum be all that bad? Sure many diocese would no longer have the Mass of all Ages but consider the strength from Unity (see below) that could come from it. Also consider the abuses the dioceses around the world have done to the Mass of all Ages since Summorum Pontificum to make it more attractive to their parishioners, small changes like the Epistle and Gospel being read in English at the alter, no confiteor before Communion, permanent married deacons distributing Holy Communion, absence of the Leonine Prayers and many other abuses/changes made by diocesan parish priests. Intentionally deviant or just plain ignorance on the part of the parish Priest, either way neither should be acceptable. And if Rome doesn’t do something about it soon we’ll find thousand of hybrid Masses being offered soon. Maybe stoping abuses like this is their plan? or Maybe their plan is to ultimately take the Mass of all ages away after first rounding up the Trads. under one group? This is how many Trads are viewing it. Maybe Romes decision here is the way the Holy Ghost is protecting the Mass of all Ages? Either way I don’t know and I’m to simple minded to have the answer. I do know one thing the Holy Ghost still guides the Church and will keep the Mass and sacraments around until the Consummation of the world and it sure is obvious Pope Francis is using his free will to destroy the Church and therefore refusing to accept any guidance the Holy Ghost gives him.
Consider this from radtradthomist.chojnowski.me,
(This “new” plan does not surprise me. In 2001, I was told by an SSPX District Superior who had just met with Bishop Fellay — who himself had met with Cardinal Hoyos — that this was the plan. According to the Superior, Cardinal Hoyos told Bishop Fellay that the plan was to have all traditional groups under Bishop Fellay himself. When the surprised Bishop Fellay asked the Cardinal, “What about the Fraternity of St. Peter?,” the Cardinal said, “They would be under you!”) http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/07/franciss-plans-for-latin-mass-on-agenda.html
I can attest that Bishop Fellay related to this in a talk I attended given at an SSPX parish. It was after he spoke to Benedict XVI who presented such an offer to Bishop Fellay in which Bishop Fellay turned the offer down.
If Summorum Pontificum is taken away and Pope Francis rounds up all Trads. under the SSPX, then we go back to 1988 and we realize once again that no human intervention alone can fix this mess and we focus our efforts on spreading the message of Fatima which always was and will be the only solution and maybe this Pope Francis attempt to remove the Latin Mass is Our Lady’s way of telling us to stop trying to fix the problems in the church with human intervention alone. We will always have supplied jurisdiction to live and celebrate the Mass and Sacraments in the catacombs even if crazies both under the veil of Rome or not argue such non sense.
In addition to what I just wrote, the only Human alternative solution is to come together descend upon Rome with Guns, knife and Pitch forks demanding that the Pope fulfills Our Lady’s request and if we lose our lives in the meantime then we die fighting and upholding the Social Kingship of Christ and the Social Queenship of Our Lady.
Viva Cristo Rey Viva la Virgen de Guadalupe
Ive been banned at 1P5. Not surprised hes still defending Francis at the expense of authentic Catholic teaching about the Papacy.
Al THC,
That should be pooh-poohs in your above comment. Not poo-poos. This is not a copro-glossia forum.
Simple Shepherd your typo is a brilliant mistake. My new name for Bergoglio is going to be Pope Prius I
Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, SSPX:
“At the French Seminary in Rome, Fr. Marc Voegtli, following the teaching of Fr. Deschamps, taught the young Marcel Lefebvre the liberal, Freemasonic agenda in three points:
1. The banishment of Christ the King from government by the secularization of the State;
2. eliminating the Mass which would result from the persecution of the Church by legal means, and ultimately the secularization of the Church itself, the supreme plot of initiated Masons; in order
3. finally to suppress the grace of Jesus Christ High Priest in souls—the very secularization of Catholic souls. All of this happened after the Second Vatican Council…
What Archbishop Lefebvre did is reverse this satanic program in order to come up with the Catholic program, which is that of the Society of St. Pius X, also in three points:
1. Restore to the faithful the Mass—the true Mass, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass—which is the source and expression of the reign of Jesus Christ.
2. By the grace of the Mass, form an elite of faithful Catholics living in the state of grace; and
3. through the work of this elite in public institutions—not just in ecclesiastical organizations, but also in openly Catholic civil organizations—re-crown our Lord Jesus Christ in society: “Omnia instaurare in Christo—Establish all things in Christ,” according to the motto of St. Pius X.
This is the program Archbishop Lefebvre tried to explain to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Benedict XVI, in a meeting they had in Rome on July 14, 1987:
‘Eminence… you are working to dechristianize society and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them. For us, our Lord Jesus Christ is everything, He is our life. The Church is our Lord Jesus Christ; the priest is another Christ; the Mass is the triumph of Jesus Christ on the cross; in our seminaries everything tends towards the reign of our Lord Jesus Christ. But You! You are doing the opposite: you have just wanted to prove to me that our Lord Jesus Christ cannot, and must not, reign over society.
For us, our Lord Jesus Christ is everything!’ “
Archbishop Lefebvre followed the Catholic faith and took what was left of it after VII with him. Stop trying to save what is no longer the Catholic Church. Stop trying to rationalize that all will be made better, as it was “before.” It’s not going to become the true Church again. Whoever follows as pope will build on Bergoglio. You are trying to convince yourselves that the sect that is man-centered, makes relativism dogma, finds no fault with sodomy and adultery, and makes universal salvation a new “truth” is a continuation of the Catholic Church established by Christ. Do you see any similarity between what passes for the Catholic Church today and that of Pope Pius XII, or, more significantly, St. Pius X? Stop and look at Rome today. Did any of you think ANY of this could happen in your lifetime? I didn’t. But I do know where to find the true Church, thanks to Archbishop Lefebvre.
We loved the old Mass in Latin
A wood pew we happily sat in.
Now if the “bad rules”
were just for “old fools”
The collection basket I won’t fatten
Summorum Pontificum did not preserve the Mass of All Ages–it abrogated it! St. Pope Pius V canonized the Holy Mass so that nothing can be added or subtracted from it forever. Not one iota can be changed by whomsoever. Every Latin Roman Catholic priest can pray this perfect (canonized) Holy Mass in spite of his superior’s prohibition.
Pope Benedict XVI formally equated the Novus Ordo Missae with the Latin Mass of Pope John XXIII and abrogated the use of any other Mass with Summorum Pontificum, including the Holy Mass of St. Pope Pius V, Council of Trent. It is a trap and many traditional Catholics still haven’t read it!
tradprofessor–I agree with your comment. Do you think the “regularization” of the SSPX by Modern Rome will be for the ultimate good of the entirety Catholic Church or do you think it will bring destruction to the SSPX which I believe is Modern Rome’s true intent? My question for tradprofessor is also for anyone who would like to chime in. Thank you.
“entirety” should be “entire” in my comment above.
There must be quite a few Catholics who are hysterical. I’m pretty pragmatic, but it has become a real “thing”, that bloggists tamp down any supposed hysteria concerning our reality. Reality check: The pope is an apostate, bent on destroying our faith and church. Who can doubt! Why should we doubt? I absolutely think it plausible, reasonable, and even completely likely, that he has SP on his radar, and will get around to it on a slow day when all the abortionists are out of town.
This is not an accidental horrible papacy, it’s intentional, and I do believe he gets a great deal of enjoyment out of poking our eyeballs and kicking our rumps. What sport. It’s Pope: 549 and Sheep: 1 or 2. We’re just waiting for the backup.
THANK YOU!
Quo primum is IN FULL FORCE and for all perpetuity, and everyone seems to forget it!
Summorum Pontificum surely did awaken a sleeping giant, but that giant should have been waving QP around like a mad man anyways!
SP still props up the Novus Ordo, which makes it good as Charmin, imho.
St. Pius V, ora pro nobis.
If they’ve read it, they glossed over exactly what you just said.
SP ain’t worth diddly.
If he touches this one, it will be his downfall. We will not go back!
He can have my Missal when he can pry it from my cold dead hands.
Are the concern regarding Summorum Pontificum actually overstated? I believe it is for at least three reasons.
First, outside of the SSPX, the priests who offer the TLM, and that would include the FSSP, SSPV, SEDE’s etc,. as well as all the other diocesan priests around the world who prefer the form over the Novus Ordo, either pay homage to the heretical teachings of Vatican II, or deny some specific teaching of the Church; and
Second, the SSPX, which is the only Catholic order of priests that continue to follow all of the true teachings of the Catholic Church––including recognizing Pope Francis as earthly leader of the Church, despite his outrageous, un-Catholic and probably heretical leadership; and
Third, neither the SSPX nor any of its followers will pay not one whit of attention to any supposed repeal of an Apostolic Letter that was always unnecessary.
Dear coastalfarm,
What you write rings true. The preternatural and serpentine cunning of Joseph Ratzinger is indeed preternatural. The singular Roman Gregorian Rite of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is that which was codified into Holy Mother Church legally by Saint Pope Pius V until the end of time. For anyone who reads, “Quo Primum”, who has eyes that see, the language is as perfectly closed as one might accomplish to compel the Church, until the end of time, to use the singular Mass of the Roman Church exclusively, as there can be none other, as codified in perpetuity with the full Apostolic Authority of an authentic Vicar of Christ as Saint. He commanded the “Wrath of Almighty God and the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul” upon anyone who would alter this Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, among other things as named in Quo Primum. What the Catholic “traditionalist” remains blinded to, writ large, is the reality that when Pope Saint Pius V codified that Mass as to be the Mass of the Ages unending and changed by not an iota, until the end of time, what he did was to invoke the doctrine of the charism of “ecclesial infallibility”, by placing the Holy Gregorian Rite into the Holy Tradition of the One True Church. This “passive” infallibility is a doctrine of Holy Mother Church. What the “traditionalist” Catholic sees is the reality that he did not somehow pronounce this Gregorian Rite of the Mass, “ex cathedra” and as thus, while he did not invoke his singular charism of “papal infallibility”, he did as he only could in the manner in which he commanded it, invoke the charism of “ecclesial infallibility”. That understood, any “pope” who would place an affront to that infallible proclamation of the Mass for the Ages as unchanged until the end of time, simply CANNOT in metaphysical reality be a “Pope”.
What we are now living coastalfarm, is the existential manifestation of the holy Wrath upon the false church of the Antichrist, which exists as an exquisite masquerade, in full on assault of the true Mystical Bride of our Blessed Lord and our God, Christ the King. The perfect coward Lucifer, could have had it no other way, than to accomplish from a nearly perfect clandestine operation, the literal internal sabotage by coup d’ etat, of the edifice of Holy Mother Church, as though the edifice is Holy Mother Church. Through his useful idiot minions, the likes of Roncalli as “John XXIII”, Montini as “Paul VI”, and the rest of this cadre of ravenous wolves, these men masquerading as “Pontiff”, literally launched and have maintained the church of the Antichrist, right before our very eyes of the Catholic world writ large to see. By parlaying this summa and summit of deceptive traps onto baptized Catholics throughout the world, at once by the very edict of this false church of the Antichrist itself, as proclaiming a “mass” which blasphemes Almighty God to be prayed as though it is of God Himself in the Person of Jesus the Christ, and as thus it suggests that God could actually blaspheme Himself, while the so called “conciliar church” and its “mass”, the “Novus Ordo Missae”, has lured the human members of the Mystical Body of Christ into the Great Apostasy and they don’t even know that they are there. They do not know and yet they remain as we each only ever can, completely and utterly culpable, as they have received the “operation of error” in lieu of the grace of Almighty God, which they fully reject by virtue of not loving the Truth as Love Himself and instead embracing sinful lives under the mystery of iniquity.
In closing, let us recall 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-11, with particular attention to verses 6-8. Saint Paul at once mysteriously and prophetically prepares us for what is existentially understood as our time, in the here and now, and to quote verses 6-8:
” [6] And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. [7] For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming,…”
Deeply contemplate and discern this passage coastalfarm, as if this application to our time is correct, all we now await in our time is the existential revelation of the man of iniquity, the very person of the Antichrist. I pray this helps. God bless you and yours. In caritas.
That’s hilarious!
If FSSP priests turn up at my local SSPX chapel, I will, with all cordiality and politeness, ask them to consider conditional ordination. I would not be going to them for sacraments unless they are ordained by one of the SSPX Bishops.
“The pope is an apostate, bent on destroying our faith and church”
This is what the doctrine of infallibility is about as it relates to the pope, i.e. even if he should desire as you say, he will not be able to succeed.
If we use our God-given ability to reason which we are obliged to do, it seems that traps have been laid at every turn. The SSPX uses the 1962 Missal which itself was altered by the very NO sect they profess to reject, while recognizing a blasphemer to be Pope and seeking “approval” from him, and offering its Masses in union with this same apostate (as well as the ones before him). Too many sneaky contradictions. All it takes is a pinch of incense. None of this makes any logical sense, and I’m arriving at the conclusion that we reached the end of the line long ago, and that this is what the veiled and urgent warning of Fatima was all about: the Abomination of Desolation, Matthew 24, Daniel 9, Apoc Ch. 12. As Sr. Lucia basically said in 1957, forget the material chastisements – it’s all the souls we’re talking about here.
We cannot say that we haven’t been warned, but we can grasp onto “loopholes” that come to find out don’t really exist, stick our head in the sand and say, “But it can’t be so!” and call God a liar, all while holding fast to our useless and prideful opinions. Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.
Yes over stated. The disobedience and then the SP as if the Benedictine has rushed to Tradition on horseback, a Knight of sorts. Dark knight.
As for St Pope Pius V, thank God for him and his good works for us.
Oh the Prius – its a dual fuel Toyota- neither one thing nor the other- my eyes are not what they used to be. Thanks for the correction. St Padre Pio -ora pro nobis
Tom, I too am banned from 1P5 for posting comments about the validity of Bergoglio’s election, etc. I do not know if you ever followed/read The Great Stalin on other websites. It was earth shattering and quite revealing that 1P5, and CM, are all on the same page after The Great Stalin wrote that he would not remove any of his comments. Then, the moderator deleted all of his comments and banned him. These neo-Catholics refuse, REFUSE, to engage in any legitimate dialogue to support their argument that Francis is a validly elected pope. Alternatively, they also refuse to offer logical rebuttals of those of us who challenge Bergoglio’s election. In the end, they always fall back on the premise that the laity cannot make such “judgments” even in light of the plain facts that many of us see. The laity have the right under Canon Law to call out the hierarchy- the pope included- when true Charity is violated in the form of heresy and apostasy from the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith. This morning, I prayed a Rosary for the conversion of Bergoglio, his cardinals, bishops, clerics, and all laity who remain in a state of diabolical disorientation. What more can I do? God Bless!
🙂
Hi Al,
Yes, I am as shocked as you that Skojec’s moderators banned TGS, when all he did was simply following the available evidence to its logical conclusion. I was also very distressed when you were banned some months ago. In my opinion, 1P5 is in danger of going the same direction Voris’s operation has gone: Skojec seems to want to throw a lot of dirt out there, but he then acts shocked when people follow the stories he publishes and extrapolate for themselves possible conclusions that disagree with his rather arbitrary editorial policy. It’s irresponsible as far as I’m concerned, for example, to publish a story about someone being excommunicated for questioning the validity of Bergoglio’s election, and then react negatively when people on his site express the same position.
And you’re right: Skojec acts as if he alone has the sole interpretation of UDG, when in reality he, as a layman, has no more authority than you or I to make a definitive declaration. I am very disappointed with the direction 1P5 has gone over the past year; as much as Skojec has criticized Voris’s editorial policy, he is in danger of succumbing to the same attitude.
Yet “The Great Stalin,” like The Remnant, is infected with cuckservatism. Before The Remnant banned me for posting the following comments by +Williamson, “The Great Stalin” hysterically lambasted me and +Williamson as RAAAAACISTS. This was a typically cuckservative move.
Here are +Williamson’s comments that caused “The Great Stalin” to fly into a cuckservative rage and The Remnant to ban me:
“Any inequality today is a horror. For the Catholic Church, it’s not at all a horror. God has designed everything unequal, practically everything: the flowers, the animals, the plants, the mountains, the nations, the peoples, the races, the sexes, the individuals, everything in God’s creation is unequal. What God plans is a great variety, and an order in the variety, with some things higher and some things lower. And St. Paul says in the Epistle to the Romans, ‘Don’t start questioning God on why he put this lower and put that higher.’ It’s like a building, that stone is lower than that stone and that stone is higher…. Compare blacks with whites, broadly speaking, blacks will be superior in some things and whites will be superior in others. But generally speaking, the blacks are lower down on the wall and the whites are meant to be higher up on the wall. That’s just the way it is. That’s the reality. When the whites stopped doing what they should be doing, which is leading the blacks, then….”
-Bp. Richard Williamson (2008 lecture on The Sillon, No. 3 in the Stockholm Conferences 2008 audio series at the St. Marcel Initiative website)
And dont forget the Remnant, many a comment has never seen the light of day on their site. They are just as bad. Its ironic, because its sites like 1P5, Fr Z, and Remnant that led me to understand traditionalism vs modernism.
I don’t know about this. I would offer he has already succeeded. Divine intervention can of course pull us out of the fire, but we are far gone.
Nah, I think Steve is on pretty solid footing. That Colombian professor should just have hammered away at the desolation of AL, Bergoglio’s sticking it to the Dubia Brothers, and the fetid swamp of sodomy-boosting the Vatican has evolved into. That would have awakened many more people and in the long run been much more effective in bringing about a restoration.
You must conform your belief to the doctrine of the Church. What is your understanding of the doctrine of infallibility? Perhaps you are making a difficulty where there is none.
Archbishop Lefebvre:
“Let us keep the Faith above all else. It is for this that Our Lord died, because He affirmed His divinity. It is for this that all the martyrs died. Let us flee from those who make us lose the Faith or diminish it.”
+Lefebvre:
“Exactly the same day nine years ago on the 21st of November, I drew up a manifesto which also brought down on me the persecution of Rome, in which I said I can’t accept Modernist Rome. I accept the Rome of all time with its doctrine and with its Faith. That is the Rome we are following, but the Modernist Rome which is changing religion? I refuse it and I reject it. And that is the Rome which was introduced into the Council and which is in the process of destroying the Church. I refuse that Church.”
+Lefebvre:
“To whatever extent pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.” (July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)
Fr. Puga, SSPX
“Our Church, for some years now, is as if possessed by an alien spirit, not the Spirit of God: this spirit of the Council which has taken possession of everything, which has insinuated its way everywhere. All of it truly resembles diabolical possession.
Some will be shaken up by these words, but wasn’t Christ Himself, at the time of the temptation in the desert, under the physical power of the Demon, who took Him up a mountaintop to offer Him all the kingdoms of the earth?
Monsignor Lefebvre made a similar analysis. At the time of Vatican II, in 1965, referring to Gaudium et spes, he declared: “This pastoral constitution is neither pastoral nor proceeds from the Catholic Church: it does not feed men and Christians the evangelical, apostolic truth and besides, the Church has never spoken in this way. This voice, we cannot listen to, as it is not the voice of the Bride of Christ. This voice is not the voice of the Spirit of Christ. We recognize the voice of Christ, our Shepherd. This one we ignore. It is dressed in sheep’s clothing: it is not the voice of Christ, but perhaps that of a wolf.” (I accuse the Council, ed. Ichtys, 2002, p. 126).
Since the last Council, of sinister memory, Satan has been attacking our Holy Church with the subtlety of that highly intelligent being, which indeed he is, compared to us poor mortals. And for this reason, if we don’t want to be crushed by the subtle blows dealt by the fury of this evil spirit, we eminently need divine help. And the Feast of Pentecost, which this year opens the month of June with its magnificent octave, re-doubles our hope.
The Gifts of the Holy Spirit, in an upright soul, that is – he who is in a state of grace – come to aid in unmasking all the falsehoods, all the half-truths, all the sophistry of the Prince of darkness, who knows [well] how to conceal himself acting through human instruments. The Holy Spirit makes us say no to all compromises, He teaches us to reject diplomatic language, senseless political words, hyper-legalism which dismantles the healthiest reactions, and invites us to renounce the temptation of the mass-media facade, [which is] contrary to the full and clear confession of the faith.
Let us purify our souls then, let us increase this grace in our souls, let us find it again if we have lost it through sin. Then we will be armed against the legion of spirits who are prowling through the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Let us place at the center of our lives the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which, as Monsignor Lefebvre said, is the exorcism par excellence. If we don’t, we will all perish!”
+Lefebvre:
“And we must not waver for one moment either in not being with those who are in the process of betraying us. Some people are always admiring the grass in the neighbor’s field. Instead of looking to their friends, to the Church’s defenders, to those fighting on the battlefield, they look to our enemies on the other side. “After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says” —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church’s destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil’s work.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Address to his priests, Econe, 1990)
It seems like an appropriate pun.
While 1P5 and CM are better than the vast majority of Catholics, it will take the Great Warning to wake them up. Perhaps the Great Schism, as described at Akita, will happen earlier. Just do what you can to get the Truth out there. I, too, am a fellow banned at those websites.
Al, hopefully TGS will come to this site where all views are welcomed not just sychopantic adulation.
Here’s the thing: “Our Church” aka the Church we all here wish to belong to, is eclipsed and is NOT this counter-church.
Summorum Pontificum purported to reduce the status of the Traditional Rite of Holy Mass. However, it did not have the legislative efficacy to do what it purported to do. Pope Benedict XVI had the power only to recognise that the Holy Mass had been unlawfully suppressed by lies as there was never the lawful authority to abrogate it.
We suffer greatly, due to the Great Apostasy, the great evil that we are surrounded by within and without the Church. The wicked never rest from plying their evil and dragging as many souls to Hell as possible. The denial of the terrible reality we are in, alone and abandoned by pope, bishops, priests, is widespread – part of the diabolic disorientation, caused by loss of Grace, through failure to cooperate with same. Lord, have mercy.
SP falsely purported to regulate the Vetus Ordo which no pope has the power to do. SP was correct in stating the the Traditional Mass had not been abrogated – because it could not be.
LB, good to see you here. Thus far, my comments earned me the distinction of banning from LifeSiteNews, 1P5, and CM. I still comment on the Remnant. I did some research on the Great Stalin a couple of weeks ago after he gave his real name and personal email address on another blog ( I cannot recall either his real name or his email address right now). Interestingly, the Great Stalin once worked on Steve Skojec’s staff at 1P5. So, I guess one could accurately say that a severe “falling out” happened quite recently. I, too, agree with your assessment.
The problem is that several popes after Pope St. Pius V did make additions and/or subtractions to the Roman Rite although no pope until Paul VI ever attempted to transform the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass into a Masonic/Modernist/Protestant liturgy:
After Pius V’s original Tridentine Roman Missal, the first new typical edition was promulgated in 1604 by Pope Clement VIII, who in 1592 had issued a revised edition of the Vulgate. The Bible texts in the Missal of Pope Pius V did not correspond exactly to the new Vulgate, and so Clement edited and revised Pope Pius V’s Missal, making alterations both in the scriptural texts and in other matters. He abolished some prayers that the 1570 Missal obliged the priest to say on entering the church; shortened the two prayers to be said after the Confiteor; directed that the words “Haec quotiescumque feceritis, in meam memoriam facietis” (“Do this in memory of me”) should not be said while displaying the chalice to the people after the consecration, but before doing so; inserted directions at several points of the Canon that the priest was to pronounce the words inaudibly; suppressed the rule that, at High Mass, the priest, even if not a bishop, was to give the final blessing with three signs of the cross; and rewrote the rubrics, introducing, for instance, the ringing of a small bell.
The next typical edition was issued in 1634, when Pope Urban VIII made another general revision of the Roman Missal.
There was no further typical edition until that of Pope Leo XIII in 1884. It introduced only minor changes, not profound enough to merit having the papal bull of its promulgation included in the Missal, as the bulls of 1604 and 1634 were.
In 1911, with the bull Divino Afflatu, Pope Pius X made significant changes in the rubrics. He died in 1914, so it fell to his successor Pope Benedict XV to issue a new typical edition incorporating his changes. This 1920 edition included a new section headed: “Additions and Changes in the Rubrics of the Missal in accordance with the Bull Divino afflatu and the Subsequent Decrees of the Sacred Congregation of Rites”. This additional section was almost as long as the previous section on the “General Rubrics of the Missal”, which continued to be printed unchanged.
Pope Pius XII radically revised the Palm Sunday and Easter Triduum liturgy, suppressed many vigils and octaves and made other alterations in the calendar (see General Roman Calendar of Pope Pius XII), reforms that were completed in Pope John XXIII’s 1960 Code of Rubrics, which were incorporated in the final 1962 typical edition of the Tridentine Missal, replacing both Pius X’s “Additions and Changes in the Rubrics of the Missal” and the earlier “General Rubrics of the Missal”.
It is really too bad that Pope Benedict did not abrogate the Novus Ordo and completely restore the TLM.
Bullseye!
“Did any of you think ANY of this could happen in your lifetime? I didn’t”
Perhaps only those who were privileged to read the third secret.
“Stop trying to rationalize that all will be made better, as it was “before.” It’s not going to become the true Church again.”
You admit to being blind in the past but now you have clear vision as to the future. What prophecy have you deciphered?
Uses sneaky 1962 Missal by Paul VI (the WHO and the intent is what matters)? Offers Mass in Union with Francis?
Pinches of incense. Touché.
The Novus Ordo was never actually promulgated so there was no need to abrogate. The most Pope Benedict could do was say that the liturgies are two versions of the one Roman rite, which is, to be frank, ridiculous.
The worst was the inversion of the Roman Mass to a provisional, “extraordinary” form and the “banal, fabricated, on the spot product” Novus Ordo concoction mandated as the ordinary form of the Roman Rite!! What balderdash. Particulary as he claims in the same document that the Roman Mass was never suppressed!
I know I will be hit with many virtual tomatoes. We should be grateful to Pope Benedict XVI for SP. I feel happy to see many churches in Southern California celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass. It is especially heartening to see so many young people and young families with children in attendance.