As I write, the big Catholic news story concerns the bomb that was dropped from Heretic One yesterday. As reported by the Bergoglian News Agency (CNA):
On papal flight, Francis says intercommunion policy should be decided by diocesan bishops
His exact words don’t so much matter, but I’ll provide the relevant ones just the same. When asked about the infamous “pastoral” guidelines proposed by the German Bishops Conference allowing Communion for a Protestant married to a Catholic, he responded:
The Code of Canon Law provides for what the German bishops were talking about: Communion in special cases. And they looked at the problem of mixed marriages: whether it is possible or not possible. However, the Code says that the particular bishop of the Church – this word is important: particular, if it is from a diocese – must manage this thing: it is in his hands …
It [the Code of Canon Law] foresees the competence of the diocesan bishop [in the matter of intercommunion in special cases], but not of the Episcopal Conference. Why? Because something approved in an Episcopal Conference immediately becomes universal.
As boiled down for readers by CNA:
“The particular Church, the Code permits it, the local Church [episcopal conference] cannot because it would be universal,” Francis elaborated. “The conference can study and give direction and opinions to help the bishops to manage the particular cases,” the pope added.
Don’t be fooled by the all of the nonsense about Canon Law and the distinction between local Churches, particular Churches, and the Universal Church. This is nothing more than Bergoglio’s rhetorical version of the tango – his favorite liturgical dance.
The bottom line according to him is precisely this: Intercommunion with Protestants is allowed. Period. End of discussion. Have a nice day.
Allowed when?
Oh, when a Protestant married to a Catholic discerns a serious spiritual need to receive Holy Communion and the local ordinary gives his approval, right?
Wrong.
Pay close attention, folks. Francis is saying that Church Law gives bishops the authority to approve of Holy Communion for Protestants in special cases (in the original Italian, casi speciali), and undefined special cases at that.
As for the German scenario? This is just one of them.
In other words, Canon Law, according to Bergoglio, leaves the door wide open as it concerns what is, and what is not, a special case that may allow for intercommunion.
Never mind that Canon Law speaks of “grave necessity” and places some additional qualifications on the dispensing of sacraments to non-Catholics, what matters is that the man in white – who is presumed to have the final word on such matters of law – has essentially given bishops all over the world carte blanche to do as they please in the broadest possible sense in this matter.
NOTE: See HERE for a closer look at the Canon in question.
So, practically speaking, what does this portend?
Think about it…
In Germany, the discussion presently centers around Protestant-Catholic marriages, but since Francis did not limit his comments to this, what is to stop a bishop anywhere else in the world from deciding that a Protestant who has a lot of really cool Catholic friends isn’t a “special case” that also merits consideration?
The answer: Nothing, the pope (if you will allow) couldn’t have been plainer; special cases are in the bishop’s hands.
And lest anyone think for a moment that Francis will allow himself to be influenced by a stricter reading of the law, don’t forget that he has already shown that he isn’t the least bit hesitant to change Canon Law by way of motu proprio, largely without consultation, as he did in the case of annulments.
And that, my friends, may be exactly where this situation is headed. After all, as I wrote just a few weeks ago, barring either death or Divine intervention, universal norms for intercommunion are coming. It’s just a matter of when.
Is this still the Catholic religion?
Its not even the Body of Christ anymore. Invalid ordinations due to a defective episcopal ordination rite and a less doubtful new priestly ordination rite. Couple this with an ambigious NO and its “institution narrative” and voila, its just a piece of bread. 99% of novus ordites treat it as bread and so does their papal pretender. So the fact that they can give it to heretics isn’t a surprise.
Dear Individual Bishops,
You are all now free to individually decide if Francis is or is not a Pope.
Don’t worry… his ‘papacy’ is a ‘special case.’
Bergolio likes to create a inch, so let us all take the logical mile! Hagan Lio!
And as another person observantly noted… all this inter-communion bullshit results from the relaxation on the part of the faithful for tolerating INTER-MARRIAGES WITH PROTESTANTS AND NON-CATHOLICS of their sons and daughters because of ‘LUUUUVVVV’!
Time to start reigning in this stupidity. Ecumenism started when we looked the other way as relatives and children got hitched to those outside of the faith in increasing numbers. Now, here we are! The poor widdle spouses of your faithful who chose loving their neighbour above Christ now want to be included at the Communion line without desiring coming into the faith. It’s like wanting your daughter’s virginity, without any desire to know or love her. At least the royalty of ages past had an excuse to go through with this in order to maintain peace within their borders and thus intermarriages with non-Catholics were tolerated for such ‘grave reasons.’
Actually, I’m feeling more certain that this inter-communion rubbish is a ploy on the part of our heretic prelates looking for more tribute in the collection basket than any actual desire or demand from Protestants, Anglicans or otherwise. Wouldn’t surprise me if this ‘demand’ has been entirely fabricated, and only a few useful idiot liberal prots who don’t even take their own protestantism seriously have decided to play into the hands of the ecumenical Germans and Bergolio.
Consider that the guy just lied to our faces about the dubia being handed to him just as he did about the Barros affair to the point he slandered victims of abuse.
But don’t feel bad for Burke. His silence and refusal to follow through brought this on himself. Now it is Burke who is on the defensive! Amazing!
But who cares, those original dubia are far past their expiration date, we’ve got a whole new set of them to deal with, and I wouldn’t count on Burke to write any more of them. Thanks for nothing!
“As I write, the big Catholic news story concerns the bomb that was dropped from Heretic One yesterday.”
At the same time that the official news about McCarrick the Molester came out.
Shhh…maybe no one will notice!
“all this inter-communion bullshit results from the relaxation on the part of the faithful for tolerating INTER-MARRIAGES WITH PROTESTANTS AND NON-CATHOLICS of their sons and daughters because of ‘LUUUUVVVV’! Time to start reigning in this stupidity. Ecumenism started when we looked the other way as relatives and children got hitched to those outside of the faith in increasing numbers. ”
No, you’ve got things backwards. The inter-communion business started with JPII’s 1983 Code of Canon Law which codified Vatican II’s false religion of ecumenism. We didn’t start the fire.
Nay, that originates even further prior to VII’s opening with the Metz Pact Vatican-Moscow agreement.
Which logically leads us to JPII’s ecumenism.
Which loops back around again to Francis telling us that the Communists think most like the Christians.
This was borne in worldly politics first, to which moral doctrine was placed beneath and held liable to.
Either way you look at it, it’s not because the faithful decided to start marrying outside the Faith. It’s because the faithful were slowly shown that it’s okay to marry outside of the Faith.
Every bishop is a pope in his own diocese and they are as catholic as the bishop of Rome.
Doesn’t this all just go back to Vatican II’s false teaching on “collegiality”.
Exactly, 2Vermont.
What happened to Proper Intention for VALID reception of a Sacrament?
It was pounded into our youthful brains before First Holy Communion !!!!
But now anyone can go up for Communion as long as the local Bishop ( possibly a sodomite) could care less?
A note to A Barnhardt. Of course Ann is a convert , so one wonder if she was catechized the same way pre Vat 2 Trad children were.
Proper Intention vs Donatism
Ann we were all taught at our First Holy Communion to receive a sacrament validly we must have Proper Intention.
So what about Holy Orders and a valid priesthood?
Of course we cannot read hearts but there is a question concerning the sodomite priests.
A retired Canon Lawyer priest told me the Vatican must redefine Proper Intention
because of this present crisis.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/
“Considering that the majority of Novus Ordo priests by now are sodomites (many seminaries specifically purged heterosexual men), and the VAST majority of bishops are sodomites, the victim pool here is absolutely enormous.)”
” This reminds me of the heresy of Donatism, which is a MASSIVE problem in The Church today. Many very pious people are tempted to believe that the interior state of the soul of the priest determines whether or not the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is offered. “
Jeepers, I hate to say this because I really like Ann Barnhardt and she seems like a real smart cookie who catechized herself very well. But…It’s really weird that she thinks that Benedict XVI is Pope and Jorge isn’t. If she is as well read as it seems, I’d think she’d be aware that Benedict and JPII and all the way back to John XXIII were just as brazen heretics but used a lot more sophistry and a lot less goober. If Jorge demonstrates so clearly that he does not have the divine protection of the Holy Ghost, they all did too. It’s pretty elementary. This illegal conclave thing is really weak. Haven’t Popes been elected throughout hx in all sorts of unorthodox and illegitimate ways, but once they’re Pope for the good or bad they are under the protection of the Holy Ghost in the role of the Papacy? I don’t know, I just find it strange. Initially I saw it as a way someone would grasp in order to get a Pope elected but to disregard the past 50 years will NOT get you a Pope but another imposter, and probably less of a goober, which would be bad.
It is my understanding that when speaking of the validity of Sacraments, proper form, matter and intention are needed. However, this is not about the person receiving the Sacrament. It is about whether the sacrament was given validly. Also, “intention” is merely intending to do what the Church does. So, if the bishop or the priest is using a valid Catholic Rite is it assumed that they had proper intention.
“Ann we were all taught at our First Holy Communion to receive a sacrament validly we must have Proper Intention.”
Sweep, if the Eucharist was validly confected no invalid/illicit reception will change the fact that it is the Body and Blood of Our Lord.
What about Jorge does she object to? Just the adultery/intercommunion stuff?
Hey maybe out nuns lied. It was stressed WE had to have the Proper Intention/Disposition to RECEIVE the Sacrament VALIDLY not the priest.
At the very least Grace has gone down the drain.
“Q. 605. Do the Sacraments always give grace?
A. The Sacraments always give grace, if we receive them with the right dispositions.
Q. 606. What do we mean by the “right dispositions” for the reception of the Sacraments?
A. By the right dispositions for the reception of the Sacraments we mean the proper motives and the fulfillment of all the conditions required by God and the Church for the worthy reception of the Sacraments.
Q. 607. Give an example of the “right dispositions” for Penance and for the Holy Eucharist.
A. The right dispositions for Penance are:
1. To confess all our mortal sins as we know them;
2. To be sorry for them, and
3. To have the determination never to commit them or others again.
The right dispositions for the Holy Eucharist are:
1. To know what the Holy Eucharist is;
2. To be in a state of grace, and
3. — except in special cases of sickness — to be fasting from midnight.”
http://www.baltimore-catechism.com/lesson13.htm
…………and for Holy Orders?
As far as the Pope is concerned there are NO guarantees about the Holy Ghost. It has been said he is only present when the Pope speaks excathedra……..from the Chair of Peter .
Trust me the Holy Ghost is not hanging around to guide him when he decides what he is eating for breakfast lunch and dinner. Aside from all that, the history of the Papacy exhibits corrections and changes made by subsequent Popes.i.e. Excommunication of Crusaders who trafficked in relics stolen or purchased from the at that time Catholic Church of the East during the Fourth Crusade followed by the lifting of the penalty by a subsequent Pope. Go visit the Church of St Mark in Venice to see a huge amount of booty stolen from Constantinople purely for the purpose of greedy Venetian aristocrats in a fake Crusade.
There were lots of ancient lies murders and theft even of the Papacy in our Church History.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine
Well priests totally lacking in Grace , Ordained because they were invited in as homosexually inclined ,explains a lot at the very least.
Twisted homilies, clownish masses , irreverent Communions and rotten catechesis.
All the while the Vatican harps on the new Evangelization !
Pretty big assumption ,especially for the likes of someone like McCarrick ,Wuerl ,Dolan , Mahoney, Bernadin ,Law, McHugh, Bevilaqua, McElroy, ya da yada and so on………
It’s because of the oddness of Benedict’s resignation and his subsequent actions after. And there is a lot of smoke blowing around over there.
And if we want to declare Papacies invalid based solely on the idea that some held certain heresies, then you can find heretics as far back as the 1800s when Descartes Rationalism took hold, and the Popes were themselves circumventing their predecessors’ and Holy Office’s condemnations of scientific appeals at odds with the Scriptures, Tradition and the Fathers which were matters of doctrine and Scriptural interpretation. Which means the Papacy failed over 200 years ago if not earlier. Which of course is nonsense. Therefore leeway must be given that formal heresy must be established first, and not situations where a Pope may be confused due to the obfuscation of his modernist clergy, undermining actions of his predecessor, and other circumstances where he was not able to grasp the fullness of a certain doctrine.
There is also the possibility that God may temporarily rescind/suspend His promises for the full protection of Peter’s Successors in order to punish us, just as he did to the gung-ho sinful Jews who believed the Temple of Solomon would never fall because many prophecies had not yet come to pass and that therefore God was obliged to keep the circus going. Perhaps this was something in the 3rd Secret of Fatima, and why every VII Pope was shaking in his shoes when reading it. Who knows?
I think the distinction is that the Eucharist is valid if validly confected whether or not the communicant discerns the body and blood. If he does not discern the body and blood of Christ and is not in a state of grace, than he does not receive grace but his own condemnation and it is very bad and a sin. I do believe it is sacrilegious.
I think it is very reasonable to question if sodomites and Freemasons whose intent is destruction of all faith is the same as having the intentions of the Church. I’m thinking that if the new rites are invalid period, it makes the unprovable intentions moot.
TomA: non-Sedes don’t give a hoot about the issue of factually invalid Episcopal consecrations. If a sodomite, freemason communist Antipope (Montini = Pacelli’s protégé) legislated it, then it’s good enough for them. If this is now the official ordination rite of the “Catholic Church,” then it is valid. All non-Sede trad acquaintances with whom I have spoken, refuse to admit anything is wrong and don’t consider it “just a piece of bread” even though they treat it as such.
Sacraments administered by a validly ordained priest using proper intention, matter and form always give grace. Those graces are blocked when the recipient receives the sacraments unworthily intentionally or not intentionally. That is what I was taught by the good nuns pre-Vatican II. As an example, the sun always sends out rays but those rays may be blocked by clouds (beyond our control) or intentionally (an umbrella). I know these examples aren’t perfect, but in our young minds, we got the picture.
That’s right Johnno, I was off on that. It had nothing to do w/the legality of the conclave and nothing to do w/Jorge’s heresy. But, because BXVI erroneously believed he could bifurcate the Papacy by resigning, he actually never did resign and remains Pope. But because he is the Pope and Jorge not, Jorge lacks protection of the Holy Ghost. And if I understand her thinking correctly, the post VII Popes all had this divine protection, evidenced clearly by the fact Paul VI’s Humanae Vitae didn’t Okay birth control even though, as a modernist, he probably really wanted to Okay it. Now, I feel bad that I’m speaking for her but I did already mess up her theory above, so I figured I’d try and fix it a little.
My 2 Cents. But that would also mean that the candidate for Ordination who is receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders without the proper disposition would also be lacking the Grace of that Sacrament confers and that too would be sacrilegious. Based on Barnhardt’s supposition that most NO priests are sodomites now , what a pickle the church is in !
If the Church determined sacramental validity based on subjective intentions rather than objective we would never know which were valid and which were not.
Sodomites though sinful are still valid matter. But like Melanie said the issue the post Vatican 2 priests have….especially decades since Paul VI changed the rites….is the validity of the FORM. The new rite of episcopal consecration (bishops who ordain priests) is doubtful at best. If the form is invalid then everything else is moot.
Actually the Church teaches that even if a heretic or schismatic ordained using the correct form (Catholic Rite) and matter, the presumption would be that they had the correct intention.
Yes
There has never been a situation where a pope has taught error in Faith and morals to the Universal Church until Vatican 2. There are no apples and apples comparisons.
Except Paul VI promulgated Vatican 2. I guess she thinks It’s Catholic.
Gotcha 2Vermont. This makes sense.
Idk 2Vermont, I’m guessing all Catholics that attend an indult Mass must think VII is Catholic. Right?
Finally it seems the Pope’s advisers are listening to me. I have been pounding their Facebook and Twitter inboxes ever since AL came out that they need to point out the overturning of the 1917 Code of Canon Law’s blanket prohibition of communion to non-Catholics by JP2.
Remember people, sedevacantists are considered irrelevant. The moneyed powers that back Arroyo and EWTN want to keep JP2 but get rid of Pope Francis. None of this is about God. It is a desire to make the Catholic Church into the religious wing of the Republican/Globalist/Capitalist party. Period.
But now that this issue is coming to the forefront, the EWTN folks are very scared. If it is shown that their hero Pope JP2 was able to completely overturn existing discipline regarding giving communion to non-Catholics, than they KNOW that their pretend opposition to AL will be shown for the fraud that it is.
Now only if they would hire me. I would have every right winger scurrying to his nearest evangelical “church” when I was through with them.
Well following the “moot” line of thought, just maybe that is the why at the root of the new permissive rational for anyone to partake in the Holy Eucharist? Deeper and deeper into a heretical quick sand.
Meanwhile the Pittsburgh ArchDiocesan Grand Jury revelations are on hold so several “entities” i.e. Prelates can mount a defense. I vote for one entity being Dolan’s friend Cardinal Wuerl. The last time I saw him and Dolan on television was on the Charlie Rose Show literally ecstatic about Borgoglio’s election. Anyone remember when Wuerl punished a priest who refused Communion to a lesbian couple? I think we can guess what his decision will be when interreligious communion is left up to his discretion.
The “monied power” behind EWTN is definitely Opus Dei.The same organization that groomed PJP2 for the Papacy. One of his first acts I will never forget was to go kiss the grave of Escriva. arroyo also broadcasts from the Opus Dei Communication owned network out of DC. Now a contributor on Fox News too.
Whether you call them “right wingers” or not is up to you but I personally do not. Nor are they Traditional Catholics in the real sense .
They are more accurately described as neo conservative Catholics busily making a silk purse out of the novus ordo sow’s ear. Politics, not Faith in the true spiritual sense , seems to be more their liking.
Mother Angelica was heartily disappointed just who took over her production I was told by persons who volunteered there and a Brother in the Order she formed.
One way or the other I believe Opus Dei is or will be the organization that eventually controls the Vatican completely.
Gang, so are you saying the Democratic/ Globalist/Communist Party is a better option?
Infinitely. While you were all being distracted by the border crisis of immigrants coming from capitalist hellholes like El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, the House GOP is plotting to raise the Medicare eligibility and force seniors into a private Trumpcare based plan. They also are gunning for Medicaid which many seniors need in order to not be euthanized.
Pope Francis stands alone against the globalist billionaires like the Koch brothers and Soros who pretend to be on opposite sides but push policies to enrich their globalist brethren at the expense of working class folks.
True. The Church only judges externals not the internal intention. Many get this concept totally wrong. Even if a devout reverent bishop consecrates another devout reverent priest to the episcopate, if he uses a defective rite there is no sacrament for lack of form. The internal disposition and intent of the minister and ordinand are irrelevant. By choosing to use a defective rite, the objective fact is that the sacrament is invalid and all the good intentions of the minister cannot fix the defect.
This is the second comment I’ve seen of yours that states flat out the opposite of the truth. Bergoglio does not stand against globalist billionaires, that’s a ridiculous lie. I don’t understand you at all. Are you Catholic? Maybe I shouldn’t be assuming this. Do you believe that the Holy Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ? Do you think that the Body and Blood of Christ the King should be received unworthily, by someone who is not in a state of grace, who does not believe, who has not gone to Confession, who commits sacrilege? Here is an article from Maike Hickson on Soros and Bergoglio who are in league: https://onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-praises-soros-funded-organization-encourages-resistance/
Right Sweep, is the line of thought that they don’t believe in the Holy Eucharist, so who receives is totally “moot?” Fewer are even debating this, now the debate seems to be: do they not believe because they are …liars, pretenders, saboteurs, that’s all I can come up with, or because they are not really Priests offering the Mass or both?
Yes to your questions regarding Catholicism. I don’t know how to get this through to people. George Soros is a *multi-billionaire*. WHATEVER you think of communism(which I happen to think is a completely immoral and unworkable system) you HAVE to admit that in a communist society George Soros would have his billions taken from him IF he didn’t lose his head first.
Billionaires don’t work to advance systems of government that would eliminate their (mostly) ill-gotten wealth.
Soros plays the bad cop to the Koch’s good cop and meanwhile the globalists are taking away the system that gave your parents and grandparents the ability to raise a large family on ONE income and to retire with something called a pension.
And since some are sedevacantists here, listen to the words of one ALL admit was the Supreme Vicar of Christ one Pope Pius XII,
“And what of a regime in which capitalism is dominant? Does it offer a prospect of real welfare for women? We have no need here to describe the economic and social consequences of this system. You know its characteristic signs and you yourselves labor under the burden it imposes: the excessive crowding of the population into the cities; the ever-growing and all-invading power of big business; the difficult and precarious condition of other industries, especially the crafts and even more especially agriculture; the disquieting spread of unemployment.
Benedict XV’s Encyclical
In Praeclara Summorum
April 30, 1921
“and though this earth on which we live may not be the center of the universe as at one time was thought”
Expressing doubt – In direct opposition to the teachings laid down by his predecessors since the 1600s as established formal heresy against Copernicus and Galileo.
Granted this encyclical was nothing to do with teaching cosmology, but is a treatise on Dante; and even then as lately as the 1900s, the Pope is still couching his language in vague terminology. And he is only doing so after several of his predecessors during the 1800’s were making concessions to modernists.
This doubt – the Galileo Affair – was the impetus of the Vatican II Council, according to Cardinal Ratzinger, to open itself up to the world and on the minds of the periti, and thus even finds this mindset embedded in Dei Verbum.
Where was the Holy Spirit during that time to allow so dangerous an error to get through by several pontiffs? Granted they do not all share the same level of blame due to various mitigating circumstances as some Popes were advised badly, some directly lied to, some physically unable to examine the recor; and yet some seem to have pulled moves similar to Francis without justifying themselves.
The point is that the teaching fell by the wayside to such an extent that Vatican II was made possible, born directly from this seed, with the idea that the Church screwed up and thus needed to open a window to the world to instruct it so that it never made the same ‘mistake’ again. And we were now afraid to rule anything with dogmatic certainty least the march of the sciences should tell us otherwise.
Even if we were to grant that Paul VI inevitably ceased to be Pope by virtue of finishing and proclaiming the erroneous Council – do John Paul II or Benedict XVI share the same responsibility? Or could they be excused as a result of confusion stemming from the idea that they believed Paul VI to be a Pope and thus had their hands tied to unwittingly following his erroneous council? Because if you do, then you must consistently apply this to the Popes stretching back to 1921 and further into the 1800’s as also ceasing to be Popes.
And should anyone think that the 1800 Popes were setting the record right with regards to Galileo to exonerate him (something even John Paul II found he could not do from his own commission, thus then appealing to General Relativity that stated both models were possible), then one must explain how every Pope and Church Father from 33 A.D. to the 1700’s screwed this up and what was the Holy Spirit doing all that time? Particularly during the Council of Trent, whose dogmatic ruling on the consensus of the Fathers and their interpretations of Scripture were the basis upon which Galileo was condemned and not any extra-biblical scientific arguments about ellipses versus circular orbits or Newton’s dynamic laws which didn’t exist yet, when even the anti-Catholic Newton admitted the Holy Inquisition could’ve been correct in its cosmology. Yet it was these things that modernist clergy used to turn the ears and heads of the Popes during the 1800’s to relinquish bit by bit what the Church had forbidden by direct order of the Holy Office and the preceding Holy Roman Pontiffs with such weight and authority, it was historically made THE black eye given to the Church by the rationalists and anti-dogmatists and to this day is their symbol of pride to chastise the Church. Next to this even the mythical beliefs moderns hold about the Inquisition and the Crusades don’t hold a candle, because even those would’ve been right is the Church was always right. But Galileo we are told, proved the Church wrong, and therefore there are many more Galileos to come to rip apart every piece of morality and doctrine by the whims of time and progress. And so a Vatican II was necessary, to change how we said things to the world, and ambiguous language was therefore better, and God must have somehow been working in institutions outside the Church in order to teach the Church a ‘lesson in humility.’
And it looks like it’s time to subject that Communion ‘wafer’ to the test! Adulterers and non-Catholics are deemed a good start by he who does not genuflect.
“Infin—”
And we are done here.
Thanks for playing the false alternative paradigm game Gags.
You lost.
The only correct answer is – not to play.
But I guess hamsters can’t help themselves, they need to pick something at the voting booth and receive their pellets.
The only thing funnier is that Gags imagines that there are actually two parties and that he actually has a choice. Given the Trump-hysteria exhibited by both sides, you’d think more people would’ve learned by now… but I guess the more things change…
Don’t tell ol’ Gaggy who Bergolio has been hanging out with and inviting to the Vatican!
“Billionaires don’t work to advance systems of government that would eliminate their (mostly) ill-gotten wealth.”
BWAHAHAHA!!! Someone… ha ha! Please inform Gags who lent the Communist movements their money since the time of Trotsky!
These Revolutions don’t organize and fund themselves!
The Bank, and the House always wins! Especially when their ‘wealth’ is created ex nihilo!
Also, gags doesn’t realize that all actual Catholics are already up to snuff on the problems of capitalism.
*Yawn*
I wonder if Gags has any knowledge of subsidiarity and the guild system of the Church? I’m guessing… no… but this Gags we’re talking about here… the guy who believes Usury is okay now!
You know?! The same thing Soros and co. use to extract wealth and property from both capitalists and communists, and who will be lending all that moolah to his Democrat socialist programs! I wonder if Gags has looked at the interest rates?
moot
muːt/
adjective
1.
subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty.
“whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point”
synonyms: debatable, open to debate, open to discussion, arguable, questionable, at issue, open to question, open, doubtful, open to doubt, disputable, contestable, controvertible, problematic, problematical, controversial, contentious, vexed, disputed, unresolved, unsettled, up in the air, undecided, yet to be decided, undetermined, unconcluded
“whether the temperature rise is due to the greenhouse effect is a moot point”
Gang, this might help, conspiracy 101:
Opposition to our Lord’s Catholic Church = Communism, Capitalism, Socialism, Protestantism, Syncretism, Occultism, Ecumenism, New Ageism, Judaism/Talmudism, and the dozens if not hundreds of heresies hatched by Satan. I almost forgot -Bergoglioism!!!
Sweep, did I forget any?
Johnno, perhaps the position of the earth in the universe is not a matter of faith or morals necessary for salvation. As far as I know, the only definitive scientific fact that is necessary for salvation, is that God created everything out of nothing, ex nihilo. Your whole premise rests on the fact that a geocentric model is de fide. While it is true that the Church began its long descent into modernism about 500 years ago as it tried to accomodate the world, it is not true that it erred on matters of faith and morals till Vatican 2. In simple terms, geocentrism is not dogmatic.
“capitalist hellholes like El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, the House GOP is plotting to raise the Medicare eligibility and force seniors into a private Trumpcare based plan. They also are gunning for Medicaid which many seniors need in order to not be euthanized. ”
The Capitalist hell holes you refer to are basically communist dictatorships.
The “gunners” are led by Paul Ryan who IS OPUS DEI .
LOL, Opus Deism , you covered the rest.
Sacraments were instituted by Christ to give grace. In the case of Holy Orders (assuming the sacrament is administered properly), those graces could be blocked. As you say, that is why the church is in a pickle when the candidate’s disposition is not what the sacrament or the church intends. Lack of grace explains the severe crisis in the “priesthood.”
In Ireland demonic leprechauns are dancing jigs because the snakes have returned.
Irish redemptorist priest praises FrankenPope for ‘evolving’ Church to accept sodomy
June 22, 2018
“BELFAST, June 22, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A Redemptorist priest told thousands of pilgrims at an annual celebration of faith in Northern Ireland that Catholic doctrine under Pope Francis has undergone an “evolution” that now makes homosexual relations accepted as “normative.”
“Never before in the history of the Church has a pope dared as Francis does to put the question of sexuality at the center of the Church’s debate, focussing on questions about remarried couples, questions about homosexuality, questions about condom use, and so on,” Fr. Peter McCarthy, C.Ss.R. said June 19 during a homily at the Clonard Novena event.”
Gang ,Do not forget it is the Dims who are all for open borders. Open borders includes all kinds of welfare for immigrants they hope will vote for them, including medicaid and medicare for older immigrants along with social security checks they did not put anything into !
You need to try immigrating to a Commie nation like China to see how much more ” infinitely” better it is and fyi , Francis is a commie.
So, this discussion about the Catholic religion and its attempted destruction by the post Vatican II religionists has turned into a political discussion.
Exactly TomA.
I was making that statement based on your comment that Ann B thinks Paul VI’s Humanae Vitae was protected by the Holy Ghost. Perhaps I should have said “then she must also believe that Vatican II was protected by the Holy Ghost”. And if that is the case, how could she not believe it was Catholic?
As for those that attend the indult, I think it’s a mixed bag.
Dear FatherMonk, I refer you to the usage note in this entry: https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=moot&submit.x=37&submit.y=17
2Vermont,
The political question IS the question. The only reason the monied power behind EWTN and other neo-conservative rags even CARES that Francis is Pope is because he is the one man in all the world that EVERYONE pays attention to. There is a reason that every camera in the world is pointing at the papal balcony when the Catholic Church announces “Habemus Papam”.
2Vermont, This is from the Apostolic Letter “Ecclesia Dei” of the Supreme Pontiff JPII given Motu Prorio, “Indeed, the extent and depth of the teaching of the Second Vatican Council call for a renewed commitment to deeper study in order to reveal clearly the Council’s continuity with Tradition, especially in points of doctrine which, perhaps because they are new, have not yet been well understood by some sections of the Church.” Is this not the indult Mass?
Then ask these non-Sede acquaintances of yours why they don’t attend Novus Ordo masses. Why insist on the traditional Latin mass if the “table of the Lord” Communion is just as good. I hope they’re not attending the TLM because of a matter of taste rather than a matter of faith.
Most of the people posting here appear to reflect aspects of the various personalities of TradCatNut – aka Eric Screwlooseki – and are blindly regurgitating his views. If Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies, his nonsense is the synthesis of all conspiracy theories.
So, show of hands – how many of you listen to that silliness? Or is it just him under various pseudonyms?
Also, Galileo…whoever mentioned that…come on.
“silliness” is to Blunder.
……….who appears every time a sodomite is exposed ! Hmmmmmm?
Following the thread of these conversations pre trolls………….
http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/
“Was McCarrick really a priest? Was he a bishop? Were the Masses he offered valid, the Confessions?
Was McCarrick recruited by one of Bella Dodd’s “nephews?” If they did not have the necessary intent were their ordinations and all that flowed from them, valid?
Have millions of Catholics been denied the Sacraments because there is no grace due to a defect in the Sacrament of Ordination, and later, episcopal consecration? Are thousands of priests today, well-meaning and sincere, only really laymen because the bishop who laid hands on them no more a bishop than I?
These filthy frauds must be outed. If that means that the physical Church and its property must collapse, then so be it. Holy Mass in my dining room will have more to offer than all the sacrileges in Cathedrals.”
And sweep shows himself/herself to be as politically ignorant as he/she is theologically ignorant.
El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras are 3 capitalist nations that have government spending, regulation, and taxation so low it would make a teabagger or trumpist blush.
Please, sweep, do try to keep up.
We aren’t the ONLY ones asking these IMPORTANT QUESTIONS…….
Blogger TLM said…
Indeed Vox…..so many really terrifying questions….legitimate questions!! Have we all been receiving invalid sacraments? Unknown to us?? How many Masses and Communions and even Confessions have really been valid?? Just as scary to me is what about our children? And grandchildren? Have they even received ANY valid sacraments unknown to any of us?? What else can we do but cling to Jesus and shelter under the Mantle of our Mother? For comfort, I remember her words: “Through the Rosary and the Scapular, I will save the world.” Keep praying the ROSARY….I truly believe it is our ‘nuclear weapon’. And consecrate ourselves to her Immaculate Heart and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. They will never abandon us. Against all impossible odds they absolutely will never leave us! May God Bless you with His comfort and His courage and His perseverance through this terror of such a betrayal and storm.
8:14 am, June 23, 2018
Anonymous Anonymous said…
Wow. I’ve been wondering these same questions for a few years now. I have experienced oddness in nearly every Catholic church I’ve attended. By oddness I mean unexpected, uncatholic words and actions. (I’ve only been a Catholic for 6 years.)
I just cannot believe that Vox is now asking these questions! It seems we are getting nearer to the schism.
10:03 am, June 23, 2018
Anonymous Anonymous said…
And what was so special about Theodore McCarrick that the most powerful cardinal in the US had to ordain him, as if there were no other bishop available?
10:25 am, June 23, 2018
I read this too Sweep but 2Vermont and TomA are correct. If these guys are not valid Priests it would be due to a defective rite and not a defect in intention. This really makes sense, Catholics can’t be just hoping we are receiving valid Sacraments.
The Sacraments were instituted by Jesus Christ to provide us with Sanctifying Grace in order to resist temptation to sin.
If we follow these questions to their ultimate answer , we must praise God for sending Our Holy Mother as Our Lady of Grace to St Catherine Laboure and providing us with Her Rosary and scapula.
Oh wait, according to the Borg, that is just for bead counters ……right?
Someone who is more well versed can correct me here but I believe that part of what could make a rite defective is a defect in intention? E.g. the new order of the mass may not have the intention of the Church to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass but a new intention more in line with Protestants of a shared supper and worship service. I honestly can’t muster the motivation to study too much the changes made to the episcopal ordinations and so forth. I just pretty much believe if one part of Vatican II and the Novus Ordo isn’t Catholic, than the whole thing needs to go. I am only Catholic and nothing new.
It’s sad to see you going down this rabbit hole, but it’s the natural result of Bennyvacantism. The sequence goes Bennyvacantism –> Sedevacantism –> a strange and rapidly escalating miasma of assumptions about validity and legitimacy of the hierarchy, Bishops, down to individual priests and the sacraments. That’s why Bennyvacantism is like heroin. Not something you can try just once, or dabble in, and leads to physical or spiritual death, respectively, usually pretty quickly. You’re already not attending Mass. Soon you’ll be urging others to do (or rather not do) the same. Home Alone is right around the corner…
I believe she’s confusing them with Venezuela. Here is some useful information to help tell them apart: http://ontheworldmap.com/south-america/map-of-central-and-south-america.jpg
Let’s cut to the chase, people.
Forget Benny – , Sede – , or ANY – vacantists! What we are dealing with is an abominable, shabby excuse for a Pope who is systematically and diabolically breaking the ONE, true, holy, apostolic and Catholic Church into splinter groups all over the world; each one of which can do whatever they like with our Faith cheered on by the unholy father.
Sadly these apostates – created in and by deviant seminaries courtesy of Vatican 2 – can’t spell the word Catholic let alone understand that the very word means UNIVERSAL.
The Schism is banging on our doors. I suggest that the Remnant quite squabbling and start organizing for the inevitable battle.
Oops sorry I mean QUIT squabbling.
How can we organize without a Pope? We can say the Rosary.
Ganganelli – With the utmost respect, what planet are you on? ….. “Pope Francis stands alone against the globalist billionaires like the Koch brothers and Soros…..” !
Pope Francis has publicly approved Soros SGD FOR 2030! He even threw Catholic pro-lifers out if his meeting at the Vatican in favor of Soros stooges!
The SGD includes abortion and euthanasia to reduce the world’s population; no borders and redistribution of wealth. AKA One world order.
The thrust of the “new thinking in order to save the world” starts with “re-educating the young” – See Francis’ upcoming world youth Synod where 300 hand-picked but unqualified, un-catechized and very malleable youngsters have been carefully brainwashed so that the required “verdict” on what the Franciscan false Catholic Church wants is assured! God help us all.
Melanie, thank you!
Sister Lucy was very clear in relaying the messages of Our Blessed Lady in regard to the Remnant left during the imminent reign of the anti-Christ. She said that in the absence of the Holy Mass [provided we have no access to underground Masses by the few remaining faithful priests] ALL we will have is the holy Rosary; the miraculous medal, the brown scapula and of course the protection of Our Lady and the Holy Spirit.
During the Cromwellian persecution of Catholics, the Irish had no Masses apart from a handful of faithful hunted priests] They referred to the Rosary as “The dry Mass”
A friend graduated Cum Laude from Princeton in the ancient Greek language and produced a play in Greece in the same. She told me in the ancient Greek the word Apostasy stems from the word that means “The drying up”. Later meaning an abandonment , revolt of some kind or a falling away.
I thought it no small thing that Grace is and has always been referred to as living water or life giving as I watched the changes happening in our Faith throughout the years. Now I am convinced of this.
Our Lady of Grace ,pray for us.
Wow Ganganelli, I couldn’t disagree more with your statement about “moneyed powers” that back EWTN and want to make the Catholic Church “into the religious wing of the Republican/Globalist/Capitalist party”. What indication is there of THAT connection, between the church and Republicans? If anything, the USCCB is entirely and 100% more the Democrat Front Party, I see no evidence at all that Republicans are part of the globalist movement, but plenty to indicate Democrats are. Just look at the fake immigrant issue, foisted on the West, clearly nothing more than a Democrat/Globalist/One World Order movement to puts Islam in dominance and cultural control of the West and eliminates the weakened Christianity. And I’ll bite, what have you to say to the “right wingers” that would send them scurrying to our nearest evangelical church? Whaddya got.
Thank you for this God’s Servant First.
This is an interesting piece on centuries old “hidden Christians” .
If one was separated in the past fifty years from a Catholic Church, I should think he also would find the NO a strange new religion. I predict the way things are headed now even the NO people will find themselves in a strange new religion.
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/10/11/446865818/driven-underground-years-ago-japans-hidden-christians-maintain-faith
I’m with you. We are obviously on the cusp of something, and we are often wasting our energy debating rather minor points. It would be great to have a leader, but we don’t have one, yet we can’t continue in this way. I have nothing but anecdotal evidence that more and more trad-Catholics are stepping out. I know my family is. We are Catholic, but can’t and won’t continue in this madness, and have now stopped supporting this obviously false-Church. As bad as that feels, it is admittedly better to us than giving ANY support to these sodomites and apostates. That, was feeling really bad.
Japanese Catholics celebrate their hidden Christian brethren . Note the use of veils in the Churches.
https://www.ucanews.com/news/japanese-catholics-celebrate-anniversary-of-hidden-communities/78569
The two Trolls have already been re educated and brainwashed. That’s why they are here inciting a political argument and deviating from the topic at hand.
Fr Malachi Martin would always ask me when he called if the priest I was talking about was a Believer or not. At the time I found it odd but after awhile it seemed to be a normal thing to ask.
We had been exposed to too many disordered priests .
Absolutely!!!
Rod Dreher has been showered with emails thanking him on his article about McCarrick. Apparently Rod believes the straight priests need to take advantage of a a #MeToo moment also.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/uncle-ted-mccarrick-and-the-grand-inquisitor/
In other words, like Sweep and just about everyone here, you no longer attend Mass. And you’re claiming that this makes you a better Catholic than the other 1.2 billion Catholics on the planet. Alrighty.
I don’t think the irony of your argument even registers with you. You’re lamenting the splintering of a splinter group which has proven since just after Lefebvre died that the only thing it is capable of doing is splintering.
On Holy Thursday, the night Our Lord instituted Holy Orders and the Eucharist, Our Lord washed the feet of the Apostles. Why? Was this to signify how pure His priests must be in order to be ordained and live their Holy Priesthood? Has this profound lesson been lost? Where is the purity in a church which is dripping with ugly scandal day after day with no end in sight? Where is the outrage from good and holy men who look the other way rather than rock the boat? Are the “good” priests guilty by association? So many questions, no answers.
The priest who wrote to Rod Dreher hit the nail on the head . Bishops with zero oversight and if you write to the Nuncio your letter gore right back to your Bishop and you are on a dissenter list. Good priests and laity and diocesan employees have NO RECOURSE.
correction “goes” not gore
On vox cantoris now
Monsignor Carlo Pervert Capella found guilty of trafficking in child pornography
Child porn pervert Msgr. Carlo Capella has been fined and sentenced to five years in jail. Capella, pictured below, bearded; was a Vatican diplomat who accessed and traded in child pornography while in Washington and on a trip to Windsor, Ontario.
Defrocking the fraudulent priest and then castrating the pervert should be the next step.
Every sodomite must be found out and driven out of the priesthood and episcopacy.
Enough!
Does the blogger Vox Cantoris read/is a poster on this blog? It sure is pretty coincidental that he/she is asking some of the same exact questions we are addressing here.
This should help:
http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/faq13.txt
Melanie: “Is this not the indult Mass?”
I am not sure I understand your question. It is my understanding that JPII allowed the indult groups to have their Latin Mass so long as they didn’t criticize Vatican II.
“The two Trolls have already been re educated and brainwashed. That’s why they are here inciting a political argument and deviating from the topic at hand.”
Yep.
Sweep out the filth, you ought to get this straight in your mind about the Sacraments, lest you fall into the Donatist heresy. Here is what the Church teaches:
“A person who has correctly and seriously used the requisite matter and form to effect and confer a sacrament is presumed for that very reason to have intended to do what the Church does.
On this principle rests the doctrine that a Sacrament is truly conferred by the ministry of one who is a heretic or unbaptized, provided the Catholic rite be employed.
On the other hand, if the rite be changed, with the manifest intention of introducing another rite not approved by the Church and of rejecting what the Church does, and what, by the institution of Christ, belongs to the nature of the Sacrament, then it is clear that not only is the necessary intention wanting to the Sacrament, but that the intention is adverse to and destructive of the Sacrament.”
– Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae
I hope this helps.
If a Catholic Rite is used to enclose the proper matter and form of the same sacrament, then we are forbidden to presume malicious intent on the part of the minister. It is mortally sinful to do so.
Apostolicae Curae teaches that a Catholic Rite is one which expresses the essential nature of the Sacrament being conferred.
Apply this to the new rite of Mass – the Novus Ordo – or the new rites of Orders, and where does that get us? At best, they are gravely doubtful.
Hi Melanie, if you will please allow, here is what I just posted to sweep out the filth above. I hope it makes it clearer for you about the validity of Sacraments being conferred by “bad guys”. Church teaching, not my opinion:
“A person who has correctly and seriously used the requisite matter and form to effect and confer a sacrament is presumed for that very reason to have intended to do what the Church does.
On this principle rests the doctrine that a Sacrament is truly conferred by the ministry of one who is a heretic or unbaptized, provided the Catholic rite be employed.
On the other hand, if the rite be changed, with the manifest intention of introducing another rite not approved by the Church and of rejecting what the Church does, and what, by the institution of Christ, belongs to the nature of the Sacrament, then it is clear that not only is the necessary intention wanting to the Sacrament, but that the intention is adverse to and destructive of the Sacrament.”
– Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae
If a Catholic Rite is used to enclose the proper matter and form of the same sacrament, then we are forbidden to presume malicious intent on the part of the minister. It is mortally sinful to do so.
Apostolicae Curae teaches that a Catholic Rite is one which expresses the essential nature of the Sacrament being conferred.
Apply this to the new rite of Mass – the Novus Ordo – or the new rites of Orders, and where does that get us? At best, they are gravely doubtful.
The lack of disposition must be externally manifest so much so that the parties involved must know that the ordinands does not want to receive the sacrament.
If nothing contrary is made visible to those present then the Church presumes validity, and so must we.
Blunderbuss, I know you think this is all a joke and you keep bringing up “home aloneism”, and how much spiritual trouble people are in by not attending NO Mass.
I wonder if you reach out on Muslim or Buddhist message boards with the same zeal. Or are they all saved but only Traditional Catholics are going to hell? Oh wait, does hell even exists anymore?
Look, I’m only searching for truth. I believe absolute truth exists. But can we know it? I’m not so sure. That’s where faith comes in and I’m putting my faith in Christ.
And from what I can read, for quite a long time the message has been clear and consistent. What I find today, not so much.
People are spiritually suffering.
Children were abused , but even more so their parents because for them the ultimate betrayal never goes away.
Men who entered the priesthood are suffering. They are torn between throwing their vocation away and blowing the whistle on their Bishops and fellow clerical sodomites.
The laity are suffering because change after change undermines what they were taught to believe was immutable.
The elderly in assisted livings and long term care are suffering because getting a priest to visit them is in many cases impossible.
Our Lord Jesus is suffering due to all the sacrilege.
But for some this is all a joke.
If you read the Papal Encyclicals of Popes prior to 1958, it is absolutely clear that the Holy Ghost protected those men from error when they taught. After 1958, it is absolutely clear that the “popes” taught errors and ambiguities and confusion. They do not appear to have the same protection of the Holy Ghost. Seeing how it is de fide that the Holy Ghost protects the Pope from error, then the only logical conclusion is that the post 1958 “popes” are imposters. Otherwise the entire Catholic Faith falls apart if one accepts Bergolio and his conciliar imposters as Popes.
and the Borg is worried about marginalized homosexuals while the trolls here are worried about politics and who they think isn’t going to their local novus ordo ?
Read the comments. It is a landslide of the same opinions on every article about McCarrick. Catholics of all stripes are fed UP!
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/cardinal-mccarrick-everybody-knew/
No they arent fed up! The typical Novus Ordite (those that are left) simply dont’t care. For them, their faith and the Church are simply social institutions. As long as they like their local pastor all is good.
Vox Cantoris sure is !
http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/
United States Catholic Bishops are complicit in human smuggling
Couldn’t care less what Muslims and Buddhists do, as I’m Catholic.
I’ve never said Traditonalists are going to hell. I don’t particularly like Pope Francis. The Catholic Church today in Europe and North America certainly has many problems.
Traditionalism can be a wonderful thing for many people, and the Latin Mass is lovely and very powerful say for some to worship.
But the major issue with Traditonalism is, frankly, the people. You have to ask yourself why you see what you see. The obsession with Jews and Masons as the root of all evil, a cabal that controls the world. An out and proud white supremacist shilling for apartheid. A fake bishop saying blacks are “lower down” than whites, and another denying the Holocaust. Thousands of words spoken and written to target 3% of the population that’s gay for persecution. Conspiracy theory stacked on top of conspiracy theory. Questionable apparitions and, for the better known ones, made-up secrets that, of course, “prove” the conspiracy theories. Nonsense like geocentrism. Embracing the worst of the alt-alt-alt-alt-right. Citing “news” sources that make Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite. Endless catastrophic predictions that fail to materialize. Insistence that it’s the end times.
But worst of all is the vitriol reserved for those deemed insufficiently Catholic. Constant deprecation of the Mass and those who attend. Continual calumny and gossip about priests and laypeople. Obsession with who’s having sex and whether it’s procreative enough – and this often from people who have no or only a couple of kids. Constant references to rare and idiotic novelties like liturgical dance,
coupled with lies about how all Novus Ordo Masses are rife with similar abuses.
It all combines, festers and boils into stupidity that starts with Bennyvacantism. a lot of these folks were “Birthers”, so defining a reality more to your liking is normal to them. But Bennyvacantism is like saying that Obama isn’t president and the corpse of Ronald Reagan still is. From Bennyvacantism, people descend into Sedevacantism and then Home Aloneism, which is where you claim to be one of only s few remaining Catholics in the world, refuse to go to Mass, and pat yourself on the back for being the best Catholic of all.
Frankly, I think it’s well- intentioned, but ultimately blasphemous, and, yes, Gnostic because it is a series of positions that rely upon secret (made up) “knowledge”. Blasphemous because for it to be true, God is either a colossal jerk who likes toying with humanity, a cold, unfeeling deity who revels in the condemnation of souls (“God of withdraws his grace, worse chastisement of all” argument, used when predicted natural disasters fail to materialize), completely impotent because he can’t stop what’s happening, or, worst of all, a hypocritical liar (the whole gates of hell thing.)
That’s not the God I worship. It’s not the God to whom you’re trying to draw closer. By all means, avoid parishes with problems. But in my experience, it’s easy to find a good – often several good nearby Novus Ordo – aka Catholic – parishes. I have yet to find a Latin Mass community that doesn’t have the garbage above. I’m sure they do exist.
And on the Internet, basically everything good about Traditonalism is discarded and the movement seems to consist entirely of what I described above. And these people and their behavior, tragically, are keeping Traditonalism firmly on the fringe. People of good will don’t say “wow, this is a very powerful and beautiful Latin Mass I attended, and it’s so good that I’ll just look the other way when that priest preaches racism and the guy starts talking about chemtrails after Mass. Oh, and all the prying into my family and sex life with my spouse – totally normal and not like a cult at all! Sign me up!”
Most people here will disagree, because, as they admit, they don’t go to church any more. So the imaginary community to which they belong is, of course, perfect.
So, no, I don’t think it’s a joke.
Ok, maybe chemtrails and AdolphusJr are. But not the rest.
It is impossible to even imagine in our wildest dreams (nightmares) all the evil in what the world recognizes to be the Catholic Church. It is not the Catholic Church. It is a hideous demonic evil Fake “Church” that can only be eradicated by Almighty God. The so-called good people inside these churches, both laity and clergy, must wake up and flee from these perverted monsters. Why do they stay? Because sitting in the pew, shaking your neighbors hand, listening to funny sermons and witnessing the abuse of the Eucharist (which I doubt is real) makes them go home, watch TV and convince themselves they have fulfilled their Sunday obligation. No good can come from an Evil church. No wonder Our Lady sheds tears.
But you keep talking about the behaviors of the people, not the Catholic Truth they speak of in comparison to the false Vatican II religion. There were and always will be sinful Catholics who do and say things that are not “Catholic”. But, until you start addressing the contradictions between the Catholic Faith pre-1965 ish and and what came after, your posts will continue to completely miss the forest for the trees.
Unfortunately TomA, more and more will get fed up. But many, probably most, won’t get right on Novus Ordo Watch, read all his archived articles and come to the conclusion; some bastards have been masquerading as my Catholic Church since 1958. Many will just come to the false conclusion that since it is one big fat hideous and deeply depraved lie now, that it always has been. And THAT is why they don’t care when pervert Capella hits the news, it’s all part of the plan going well for them because they are Satan’s children, Luciferians, Freemasons. They took up their roll in this scam and this is what they are supposed to do in order to destroy Christ’s Church and steal souls from Him. All they have to do is sin big and lie, mission accomplished. And Catholics who retain the faith will very likely not have access to licit and valid Sacraments. And this band of demonic criminals in the New Order just rock on. I have to tell you, I’m pretty angry about it.
Blacks being inferior to whites is not “Catholic truth”.
Yes, the Mass changed. It changed a LOT throughout the centuries prior to V2. Equally valid Eastern Rite Masses look nothing like the Latin Mass.
Repeating “false Vatican II religion” over and over doesn’t make it so.
2Cents , Blunder gives you his answer in his rant above. I like his mention of accusation against Traditional Catholics “….targeting 3% of the population that’s gay for persecution”. Oddly, one priest in Rod Dreher’s articles on McCarrick cites 70% of the priests in and out of the seminaries as being sodomites and another complains the entire seminary he went to in Australia was. In fact all the priests who replied to Dreher’s article complained of the same thing.
But nooooo, Blunder knows best and it is Traditional Catholics who are destroying the Church. He accuses everyone of being a “Bennyvacantist”. We exited long before Benny took over and we left because of all the disordered priests and pastors we endured.Going to Mass on Sunday became a source of anger and sin . Listening to one pastor deny the Real presence, another saying dirty things to children in the confessional till all families with children had left. Yet another filming parish boys in his rectory basement scantily dressed wrestling with homosexual porn star adults. One who teetered as if he had Parkinsons and then being told it was the side effect of his AZT our donations were paying for and laterhe was found dead on his kitchen floor when the police went to arrest him for sodomizing and torturing little boys. His name was Danilak , look him up.
Another skipping the country because for ten years it came out he was molesting little girls and the pastor charged with handing him 5 grand from the collection plate to elude the police . These were OUR priests.Paying for bars on the rectory windows because the priests were beat up after taking in a homeless man played well with the public until one priest admitted the man returned in a fury one night because the priests tried to have sex with him.
We had at least two homosexual bishops and now I live in a Diocese where the Bishop has punished a decent priest for turning in a fellow pedophile priest who admitted to the crime to the police.
Tom A , it is the Bunder’s of this world who do not care.
The revelation we knew about McCarrick has awakened others up in record numbers and there will be more to come. Let the rest marinate in their Borgoglian fantasy that this is the same Church Christ founded.
Like I said, there will always be Catholics who say and do things that are not Catholic. That doesn’t mean they aren’t Catholic.
Meanwhile, you still haven’t answered the question of contradictions between the faith before 1965 and after. The issue is not just a liturgical one.
https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1294
“If ‘everybody knew’ about Cardinal McCarrick, the corruption runs deep”
“Now at last the truth about Cardinal McCarrick’s misconduct has become public knowledge. If my email traffic is any indication, many more stories will soon emerge. But Rod Dreher drives right to the central point in his follow-up column, entitled “Cardinal McCarrick: Everybody Knew.”
“Earlier this week I asked rhetorically why reporters did not follow up on this story years ago, since many journalists were numbered among the “everybody” who knew about Cardinal McCarrick’s homosexual activities. Julia Duin, the longtime religion writer for the Washington Times, has answered my question in a column of her own, recalling that she could not find sources willing to speak on the record, or editors willing to give her the latitude to probe further into the reports. Moreover, she writes, she ran into a wall of silence among Catholics: an unwillingness to discuss a prelate’s misdeeds. “There were priests and laity alike for whom McCarrick’s predilections were an open secret,” she writes, “but no one wanted to go after him.”
Because if they did tell the truth and cared about their beloved Faith they ran into the BRICK WALLED BLUNDERS”S of this world !
You know what? This is a thoughtful a fair response. I appreciate it. You definitely touch on some major issues I have.
And honestly the attempts to link every Catholic posting here with climate change , antisemitism, homophobia, naziism , zenophobia, radical right, left and everything else one could hurl, is absolutely hackneyed Alinsky tactics.
Give it up and enjoy your guitar clown and liturgical dance rainbow Masses and stop trying to convince people this is all Catholic because it is not.
Soon you will be sharing your agape Communions with all other religious denominations and you will not have to even worry about where Traditional Catholics are.You will be with your own anti Catholics !
I have noticed that there has not been one condemnation from Blunder regarding these revelations. Only condemnations for Catholics.
2 vt, blunder will not address dogma or doctrine. To him, the real
Church lies with those who are more mainstream and present a “sensible” image to the world. Jesus was considered a nut job in his day. Blunders assessment that trads are all whack jobs is a good testimony to as to where the Truth lies. It never lies with the mob of mainstream blunders. It is only to found at the fringe. For Truth lies only in Jesus Christ. Blunder operates under false dogma and doctrine. He does not believe that Christ came with a sword to divide and separate.
2Vermont and TomA – I’ve addressed this. Doctrine develops. Our understanding of it and how you apply it develops. The onus is on people claiming the Cathollc Church is now a different religion to prove it. Saying “man centered religion” or similar because the Church acknowledged that people have free will (gasp!) and can therefore choose their faith and having the priest face the people isn’t changing the Catholic Faith.
On point 2 Vermont , at every turn he goes out of his way to defend sodomites as being “persecuted”.
I think this is the sole reason he is supportive of Pope Francis and the global new church.
He especially did not like it when others cited links to scientific papers to prove they were not born that way, or references to Joseph Scambria’s excellent articles on the topic. It seemed to stir a deep seated anger of something against his own belief system. Coupled with a penchant for obscene references to his own genitalia or that of other males here , something is very wrong .
Let’s take one example: religious liberty.
(1) Vatican II claims that no one can be restrained from practicing the religion of his choice.
(2) Vatican II recognizes a real natural right for all to practice their false religion.
(3) Vatican II promotes public worship and propagation of false religions.
Yes, doctrine can develop, but it cannot change nor contradict prior doctrine. These are clear contradictions of Catholic doctrine. All of these teachings were previously condemned by the Catholic Church.
Vatican II is not Catholic.
This IS NOT the Faith I was raised in ! We have seen this in parishes where we have gone to Mass that did not advertise as being LGBTQ ministry parishes and frankly public expressions of love and commitment between homosexuals in contrast to the Scriptures in the pews is not what we want to see or participate in at Mass.
http://josephsciambra.com/new-james-martin-promo-video-features-gay-catholic-dissidents-and-same-sex-married-couple-holding-hands-at-mass/
I wish you luck in your search. One example to think about. I know zero about the Shrine of Christ the King in Chicago other than that it’s a Latin Mass community. I do know that there was a huge fire and that while they repair their church, a nearby Protestant church is letting them convert and use space (a gym, I think?) And while nobody is saying “all faiths are equal”, they are respectfully coexisting, which is helping that community survive.
Yes blunder, if you believe doctrine can “develop” as it has since 1958 then you should by all means stay with the Novus Ordo sect and “develop.” But if you believe that the changes since 1958 contradict what was once taught, then you must reject that church and who advocate for those changes. There simply is no middle ground like indult or sspx. All in or all out. Unfortunately 95% of the trad community comes from the indulters and resisters who are internally torn.
After nearly 2,000 years of persecution and religious war, with no discernible results, the Church wisely decided that it was best to emphasize human free will and peace vs. an abstract notion of the “Social Kingship of Christ”, a concept that is great to discuss among theologians but which consistently leads to problems when you focus only on it and ignore other stuff like “do unto others.” How is that not development?
We have two differing faiths blunder. There will never be any agreement between us on this issue. BTW, humanists and pagans and heretics have killed far more people in wars than any Catholic conflict. The mere fact you bring up that historical myth about all the religous wars is proof of your ignorance or intent at deception.
ZERO GRACE…..how can Sanctifying Grace be confered by an active sodomite ? Maybe it is valid and licit but not necessarily Grace filled.
Okay, Proper Disposition does not count? …..sacrilegious and void of the Sanctifying Grace ?
Correction to one of Blunder;s Blunders. The Eastern Rites like the Orthodox value Tradition and no blunder boy the Divine Liturgies of Sts John Chrysotom and Basil the great have NOT changed markedly like the Tridentine Rite to the Nonsense Ordo in the one time Latin Rite did. when there is any attempt at a change by the Eastern Catholic Bishops in the USCCB and priests, the laity loudly vocalizes opposition .
The fear ?
Uniates can easily return to the Orthodox and believe me hundreds of Eastern Rite priests and laity have because of the sodomites clerics here in this country. Now they are allowing for a married priesthood again here and not just in Europe they see the writing on the wall.
As far as the changes with the Novus Ordo, what many of you if not most do not realize is that the original promulgation was almost exactly like the Eastern Rite Divine Liturgies only in Latin. we experienced this once in a Benedictine Abbey and were shocked because it was NOTHING like the Novus Ordo Masses in our local parishes.
It was actually beautiful and in Latin as we read the translation of the beautiful prayers and followed along. BUT because of the lenient loopholes surrounding the original documents , the Nervous Ordeo morphed into something that resembles a protestant service and in some parishes , it is even less Christ centered than theirs.
Mass exodus because of a sodomite clergy? That’s what the priests told me.
Now this ……………
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/eastern-catholic-married-priesthood-authorized-in-north-america
Uggh. Development develops…expands on the same ideas. It doesn’t contradict. Pre-Vatican II, religious liberty was NOT a “natural right” of every person. Post-Vatican II, it is. CONTRADICTION, NOT DEVELOPMENT.
Clearly Blunder, you like the changes. That’s why you refuse to see that they aren’t Catholic. Meanwhile, you condemn those of us who recognize that they are not Catholic.
Also blunder, your concern that religion has led to so much war and suffering is also a common critique of the feeemasons. It seems your goals line up quite well.
TomA – tired of seeing your argument over and over. Please review your numbers in light of the world’s population, which has exploded over the past couple hundred years. It’s not deceiving or buying into any agenda to say that the fact is, there were religious wars and that must not be the case, as they accomplished nothing.
Isles, this statement is only thoughtful if your operating on one brain cell.” …the Church wisely decided that it was best to emphasize human free will and peace vs. an abstract notion of the “Social Kingship of Christ”, a concept that is great to discuss among theologians but which consistently leads to problems when you focus only on it and ignore other stuff like “do unto others.” How is that not development?
Pope John Paul 2 even clarified free will and freedom of religion as not being free for the Catholic Christian to commit or accept serious sin. Like accepting sodomy as normal sexual behavior or having the right to publicly condemn abortion.
Anecdotes don’t prove anything. Only confirmed molester gay priest I ever met was a Rad Trad. You don’t see me extrapolating that.
Since you’ve decided to imply that I’m gay because I’m not asking they be put to death, let me be 100% clear. A priest who molests a kid should be executed and fed to pigs as far as I’m concerned. Since we’re not barbarians, jail for life after defrocking will do.
But you and others bring up gays and attack them no matter what the topic is. Pope Francis was right about how it’s an obsession. The Church acknowledges that people can be predisposed to being attracted to the same sex. And it says that we are to recognize what a cross that is and treat them with compassion. Nowhere in Church teaching will you find language like “stinking sodomite” (an AdolphusJr fave) and before you start quoting saints, please recall that they do not speak infallibly. Aquinas had some interesting anatomical views on reproduction. The Utopia you paint where gays are persecuted – based upon what, a council of Sweeps deciding who lives and who’s a “stinking sodomite” – is not the “Social Kingship of Christ”. It’s an incredibly unjust nightmare.
Joseph Sciambra, like many converts, takes just a bit too much pleasure talking in graphic detail about his past exploits. And straight guys are just as disgusting as gays when given the opportunity.
You’re the one who told me to spend time contemplating my genitalia, Sweep. So I did and reported back. lol
I’m not attempting to link anything. The other posters and you are the ones bringing these things up. You quote Ann Barnhardt all the time, yeah, that’s alt-alt-alt-alt-right. Talking about “being raped by Paco and Jamal and Wong” (not my words, you know who says that) is racist.
I’ve never been to a “guitar clown and liturgical dance rainbow Mass.” Sorry they seem to materialize around you. But for most people, it a straw man. Or, rather, straw Mass lol. Perhaps if you actually went to Mass, you’d see what I mean.
Actually, I don’t think Blunder’s issues are your issues Isle. At least that is not what I get from your posts.
Oh no Blunder stop generalizing. I never said to you we do not go to Mass. I quoted Barnhardt ONCE .The McCarrick issue is one huge deal right now because it is waking people up and I never spoke about anyone like a Paco or anyone else.
“You’re the one who told me to spend time contemplating my genitalia, Sweep. So I did and reported back. lol”
Prove it.
No I did not ! You are the only liar on these posts. I ONLY complained it is something you repeatedly talk about and no one here wants to read about them.
Religious wars have actually accomplished much. Just ask the muslims. They didnt exist at the time of Christ and now they rule over vast amounts of lands, most of which was once Catholic. By the sword they accomplished this conquest.
Buggering Bugman, if you’re going to quote me, get it right. The supreme fantasy of suicidally xenophilic white ethnomasochists–whether they be avowed liberals or pitiful cuckservatives–is to be eternally and publicly gang raped by Paco, Jamal, Abdul, Wong, and Shekelstein as the ultimate form of virtue signaling.
It’s RAAAAAAAACCCISSS to say this. LOL!
sweep–why do you find it necessary to defend yourself against troll commentators? I never read posts from certain commenters. It feeds their ego.
2 Cents , I am repulsed by liars because Satan was one from the beginning. I have also been attacked for speaking our against sodomy just as Blunder attacks Scambria who , rather than speaking about sexual acts descriptively, as Blunder lies about, has only spoken about the diseases and the physical and mental trauma associated with the vice.
Blunder has defended sodomites as being marginalized victims above. He has used filthy language against other posters and described his own genitalia in detail.
I’m sorry but that is reprehensible for anyone identifying themselves as Catholic.
I have many issues and it is tearing me up inside. It’s why I can respect both sides in a way. At least you guys chose a side. I lack the guts/knowledge to do so. I really am terrified of going “all in”.
Don’t get me wrong. This isn’t a 50/50 thing for me. In my heart something just doesn’t feel right in the Church and the world today. I mean, if I entertain some conspiracy theories, it certainly fits the narrative of what is happening.
It’s just heartbreaking that I’m so late to the party. What horrible times these are. I just have to focus on the bible and praying the rosary, and hope God steers me where I need to be.
That’s exactly the problem with what you’re saying. The Church chooses to emphasize man’s free will and says stop condemning, counter-condemning, and killing each other. You say the remand “it’s ok to accept murder and perversion.” (If I understand you correctly.)
No. Just, no. Of course Catholics can’t accept serious sin. On you eagerness to send the majority to hell, you’re not making any sense.
i wonder how many parents feel compassion when they go to Mass with their children and instead of a handshake the homosexual couple in front of them embrace and kiss on the lips for their “sign of peace”? How many Catholic parents feel compassion when they hear see this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa2DXkw7Xuc
One Barnhardt quote is one too many.
I said “Taking about ‘being raped by Paco and Jamal and Wong’ (not my words, you know who says that) is racist.” I didn’t say you said it (more lying). AdolphusJr obliged by clarifying that it was him – see below.
Your words, toward the end of the combox for this article: https://akacatholic.com/yes-political-leanings-matter-a-great-deal/
“Sit down and contemplate your OWN GENETALIA because honestly we do not care.”
I did.
Noice..
Retired Bishop Rene Henry Gracidas blog………
i agree much better than Barnhardt !
https://abyssum.org/2018/06/24/birds-of-a-feather-flock-together/
In response to what filth?
Not there .Only someone else quoting your response to another person and it was disgusting.
YOUR OWN WORDS.
Apologies 2 Cents , your correct. You respond an inch and he takes it for a mile of lies as he did below.
Oopsie. Looks like someone forgot to switch accounts when commenting, eh, sweepie? You’re literally talking to yourself. Times like this make the lack of an edit or delete option hi-lar-i-ous.
Well, there it is IsleRoo1. I’ve never heard this sort of stuff at my parish. Not going to join a parish where this garbage is accepted or, worse, the norm.
AdolphusJr, seriously, look up Caholic Church demographics. It’s majority non-white. You’re basically Clayton Bigsby. (Anyone not familiar, look it up on YouTube. Some of Chapelle’s best work.)
Sweep, There was a sodomite Priest in 856 AD (random date) and his parishioners did or did not know that he was a sodomite. Many probably didn’t. When he confected the Sacrament of Holy Eucharist even though he was in a state of mortal sin, the bread and wine became the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ and those who received Holy Communion in a state of grace received an increase in sanctifying grace. I would assume as much as if Padre Pio had administered the Sacrament because it’s the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. What would matter for the reception of grace was the state of the communicant; he needs to be in a state of grace to receive, otherwise he commits a sin. The Lord will judge that Priest but His Church will receive the sanctifying grace of His Sacraments. Now if you suspect that something is not right w/Novus Ordo, I do too but this is the way it works in the actual Catholic Church. We don’t ever have to worry that bc our Priest is a repulsive sinner that we lack the graces of the Sacraments. It is a sin to receive communion in a non-Catholic church, this is communicatio in sacris and is forbidden, so there is that.
BlunderCuck, there are very few actual Catholics today. Maybe 100,000 worldwide. You’re not one of them. This is proven by, for example, your constant defense of stinking sodomites and perfidious Jews. During the millennia before the Judas Council, Catholics would have recognized my words against stinking sodomites and perfidious Jews as thoroughly Catholic. These same Catholics during the millennia before the “evolution” manifested by the Judas Council and its implementation would have recognized your defense of them as entirely corrupt and indeed from hell. And I haven’t even mentioned your defense of Pope Francis the Groovy. This alone proves you aren’t Catholic, but are instead a Judas Conciliarist. Actual Catholics instantly recognize Pope Francis the Groovy as the devil’s servant he is.
Never again waste your time trying to instruct any of us about any aspect of Catholicism. You’re entirely incompetent to do so. As a Judas Conciliarist, you’re a child of your father the devil. We all see that. This is why you’ve so miserably failed to persuade any of us. Go back to contemplating your genitalia. Pitiful. Just pitiful.
The popes who did not consecrate Russia according to Our Lady of Fatima’s requests between 1917 and 1958 may not have taught anything against “faith and morals” but their disastrous grave omissions allowed the spread of hatred against Catholicism– with Communism, Modernism, etc. to rise unchecked– and worldwide immorality to become rampant, and will even eventually lead to the “annihilation of nations.” So, how did they cooperate with the Holy Spirit in this all-important request from the Mother of God?
“Get thee behind Me, Satan.”
In point of fact, because one of these popes did not obey Our Lady, we ended up with Vatican II, a complete undermining of faith and morals.
Isle….you aren’t “late”. I suspect that most, if not all, of us went through what you are going through because we also started in the Novus Ordo. We have all felt it: fear, anger, hurt, betrayal, confusion. Don’t put yourself down. It takes time to sort the mess out. And even then we put Faith in God to truly sort the big picture out in His time.
Sweep, here’s a quote from Sciambra: “The sloppiness of sodomy became overly laborious and tedious – often requiring a vigorous hand-job to finish things off. ”
More and grosser available here: http://josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/
The man has every right to write this. He seems sincere in his Faith. It’s not my cup of tea. But I’m not lying. You are.
I have ONE account from which I comment here. Apparently since you mentioned it ,you must have more than one.
You claim I told you to contemplate your privates?
No one posted that statement anywhere !
You made it up so you could describe them for all to read knowing Catholic women and men would react with disgust .
You OUTED yourself in your anger and defense of sodomites and with your disgusting gay porn slang aimed at poster Adolphus Jr.
2 Cents has it right ………..Get behind all of us Satan!
Agreed Richard. Disobedience by our Prelates has resulted in their own demise in moral authority. Have Hope because God had other plans for them !
Pray the Rosary daily and stay close to Our Holy Mother , St Joseph and St John.
They were Faithful .
St John and Our Holy Mother stood by Jesus on the Cross while so many others did not. Our Prelates will have to answer to both God and the Faithful.
Sweep, your words, toward the end of the combox for this article: https://akacatholic.com/yes-political-leanings-matter-a-great-deal/
“Sit down and contemplate your OWN GENETALIA because honestly we do not care.”
Go look at it. Another example of your tenuous relationship with reality and the truth.
“Marco Tosatti’s blog has revealed (15 June) that Pope Francis was instrumental in opening Italy to illegal mass-immigration and human trafficking.
According to then high-placed sources in the Italian Interior Ministry, Pope Francis called then leftwing prime minister Enrico Letta in October 2013 convincing him to collect illegal immigrants from the Mediterranean. The illegals were branded as “refugees”.
The Italian navy started the operation in collusion with human traffickers who today make more money than drug dealers. Since then 400.000 illegals have entered Italy.”
https://gloria.tv/article/RaA8FBmSS3yZ2V2JtjVjbGnWC
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/more-2300-suspected-online-child-sex-offenders-arrested-during-operation-broken-heart
No wonder the Bishops and the Borg hate Trump’s policies
So it looks like Bishop Gracidas hit the nail on the head.
https://abyssum.org/2018/06/24/birds-of-a-feather-flock-together/
You know it.
Regarding sweep’s link above: “A picture is worth a thousand words”.
But poor Isles ( a convert) , has been preached to on this blog by a commentator that the Church has wised up and changed under Francis and learned to embrace homosexuals who have been marginalized by society. After all according to the Borg ,they were born that way. So no repentance , just LUV!!!!
http://torontocatholicwitness.blogspot.com/
“In 1977, Emanuel Jacques, only twelve years old, was sadistically murdered after suffering many hours of homosexual rape in Toronto. May Emanuel’s innocent soul rest in peace.
Sadly, Emanuel came to the attention of the demonic, perverted lust of four homosexuals, who abducted, sodomized and murdered the innocent young boy after twelve hours of sexual abuse and homosexual rape. Emanuel was eventually drowned by two of the four monsters, who held our little saint’s head in a sink of water.
Emanuel Jacques was the son of very poor Catholic Portuguese immigrants. Young Emanuel, to help his parents, made a few dollars by shining shoes on Toronto’s Yonge Street.
Please, during this time – on this dark and wicked weekend – reflect on the death of this innocent child, done to death by evil, perverted men.
Pray too for the conversion of the homosexuals who raped and murdered him.
Pray for the conversion of all those “Catholics” and “Christians” who have been seduced by homosexual propoganda into believing it is just an alternate lifestyle. No, it is one of four sins that cry to Heaven for vengence; without repentance, it will put the homosexual in Hell.
May the Church raise young Emanuel to the Altar, may he be declared a saint. ”
Emanuel Jacques, pray for us
Excuse my ignorance or naivete, I just don’t understand these brutal and evil acts committed by homosexual men. Can’t they live out their lives in private any way that satisfies them no matter how pervert without hurting young children. What is the motive when homo men are willing to accommodate each other? Are they empowered by Gay Pride Day, Gay Pride Parades, and don’t forget Disney World hosts Gay Pride Days without warning heterosexual families that this would not be a good time to enjoy “The Magic Kingdom”. Disney should be boycotted! Do whatever you want to do in the privacy of your own homes without hurting innocent children. Where does this brutality come from? It’s even more disgusting whey the perpetrators are catholic clergy. Satan is in the details. This is the cesspool. We were warned.
I know some people do not like personal stories posted here. Just ignore what i have to say then please or discredit me as a liar. I really do not care.
My sixteen year old daughter attended this HLI rally in Montreal.
She told me she was very frightened. The basilica doors had to be bolted and she said it sounded like demons from hell were screaming outside. But because she went with a physician and his family I felt she was safe. Afterwards a line of police had to protect them as they marched to the conference ctr at the hotel. She told me the people leading the protests were all homosexuals pelting them with tomatoes and eggs.
Years later when the hospital decided to cancel renewal of the Physician’s contract because he wanted to paid for Psychological counseling for his ADD patients and he was not a Psychologist , he decided to transgender so he could sue the hospital system for firing him in discrimination. The Hospital settled rather than have the bad publicity.
My daughter said to me she wondered what possessed him after they were all stunned seeing the Holy Ghost clearly appear in the sky at that Pro Life conference ! ( see in vido) I wondered if it was because, as he told me, he took it upon himself to do self styled Exorcisms of his patients in his office?
Remember the organizers of the opposition here were all homosexuals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brU4FgRw0A0
I like your personal stories but I don’t understand. You were friends w/a Doctor who got fired because he was trying to be a Psychologist when he wasn’t? He was active in prolife activism but later he became possessed or obsessed by demons after trying to perform exorcisms on his patients himself, manifest by becoming a transgender? I must be misunderstanding something, right?
Yes . The hospital system refused to renew his contract as an ADD ADHD Pediatrician because he spent time giving the children a Psychological evaluation which he is not licensed to do. We had all gone to a CUF conference some time before all this and at dinner he was telling us how he performed Exorcisms on some of the patients. I told him he could not and should not do that .He asked why and I explained he does not have authority to do it because he is not a priest.So right before he transgenered his wife came over with a bottle of wine and a ack of cigarettes complaining she knew he was cheating on her with a nurse at work. I told her she should have proof .
After she left I called her three days later and her daughter told me she would call me back when she had a chance. I never heard from her again ,until six months later we saw them on “Inside Edition” . Him claiming to be transgendering and her stating she just realized she must be a lesbian…….Both second marriages . Him at 54 after having six children with two wives.
A year or so later one of their daughters showed up at our home after leaving the convent where she thought she wanted to be a nun. she did not want to go home to her now “two Moms”. she explained how her father was losing his job and after her mother had left my house she stopped at Borders ,picked up a book on gender dysphoria and they cooked up the transgendering scheme.
Anyway they settled with the hospital, moved to another area and suddenly she was no longer a lesbian and they separated and he started another Practice with another hospital system ,this time as a woman.
In a recent conversation with a Catholic lawyer I referred him to a response vox cantoris gave.
He said. He had a friend who was sodomized as a youth and sure enough his friend was told. “Now you are one of us.” too.
In Randy’s book RoS the forward includes the same phrase because it is not un common for a male child who has been sodomized to hear it from their assailant.
I replied……..
“It is only the demonic who would know how damaging this is to the psyche of a young boy.”
The lawyer responded,”In one of his talks on the demonic, the very learned Fr. Ripperger said that one of the reasons the Church endorsed the death penalty for rape is that many rape victims are then tormented by demonic oppression.”
I replied,”Yes Martin has a case as one of the five in “Hostage to the Devil.”
“Father in Heaven protect us from the evil one and his minions who influence humans and cause untoward events to cause poor souls to despair and lose Faith”
Hope you understand what I have tried to explain Melanie. I can’t wait to show my daughter this video I found when she comes home from work. When she told me they all saw the image of the Holy Ghost in the sky I must have looked incredulous but there it is in the video someone took!
Melanie,
In other words a layman cannot perform an Exorcism and if they try they open themselves up to demonic influence.
The same can be said for molesting a child especially with the un natural act of sodomy.
Here’s the video again of the HLI conference and Mass she went to . Watch the video carefully. There is a shot of the night sky. A clear image of the Holy Ghost appears in the camera shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brU4FgRw0A0
At 3:49 in video .She said it was very clear to all of them.
The Sacraments are ex opere operato, that is, they are going effective of transmitting sanctifying grace simplicity by their own working. It is Our Lord who gives the grace, not the minister of a he sacrament. You haven’t done the basic homework on this, and your thinking is tending away from sound doctrine. Please study up.
I wish there was an edit function!
If a sacrament is valid then it is also grace filled. It is Gods grace, not the minister’s.