Now that we’ve had a little time to let the news sink in of Pope Francis’ recognition that the SSPX has always had supplied jurisdiction (as explained in the previous post), let’s come face to face with the other delightful elephants in the room.
To recap: It is now clear that the faithful may freely approach the SSPX for valid and licit absolution from their sins, without any worry about validity or licity, apart from ordinary jurisdiction for their clergymen; namely, with jurisdiction supplied extraordinarily by the pope via a simple letter, or by the Church as has been the situation all along, in both cases by virtue of “the need to respond to the good of these faithful,” to quote Pope Francis.
Even though the focus of conversation has, understandably enough, been on the Society priests’ ability to validly and licitly hear confessions and grant absolution, common sense alone tells us that the implications of this state of necessity (which is no longer up for debate) extends much further.
NB: The jurisdiction presently under discussion is ordered not specifically toward absolution, per se, but more fundamentally unto salvation.
It only stands to reason, therefore, that this same state of necessity for the good of souls exists such that the faithful may freely approach the SSPX for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, offered as expiation for our sins unto salvation, likewise without any worry as to it being valid or licit.
In fact, the faithful need not hesitate to approach the priests of the SSPX for any of the sacraments.
I wonder how long it will take for Bishop Morlino to retract his advice to the people of his diocese, “Have nothing to do with the SSPX,” given last month?
In any case, the neo-cons will love this…
We now no longer have to wonder whether or not +Archbishop Lefebvre (along with +Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer) judged rightly when he consecrated four bishops in 1988 without the Holy See’s approval; based upon what he considered to be a state of necessity for the salvation of souls.
It should be crystal clear to all concerned (His Vortexcellency included), ironically thanks in part to the confirmation provided by Pope Francis, that +Archbishop Lefebvre acted heroically in providing for needs of the faithful in light the authentic state of necessity that existed in 1988 (and endures even today), in spite of the fact that he knew very well that persecution awaited him for doing so.
Nor can there be any question as to the judgment of the SSPX bishops who continue to ordain holy priests without formal approval in order to meet the same needs of the faithful.
God is good.
Yes, that is, indeed, the necessary implication of what was acknowledged on the face of the Pope’s letter, as the existing criterion (necessity) for the “grant” of explicit validity, and liceity to absolutions by a priest of the SSPX. Salvation of souls is the highest law of the Church.
The SSPX still needs to consecrate a few more bishops. Given the state of the conciliar church, the future will depend on the continuing preservation of valid orders and sacraments.
John Madison,
After the events of yesterday I predict Bishop Williamson and Bishop Faure will be doing more consecrations of Bishops. If I had to put a number I on it I would guess we will see at least 5 more Bishops all over the world and I think we will see more Bishops soon.
I do not know under what conditions the remaining three Bishops in the official SSPX would consecrate more Bishops. We always here about Bishop Williamson and Bishop Fellay but we need to remember that the other two Bishops while silent are still there and can do consecrations if need be. Bishop Tissier De Mallerais can see what is going on and I trust his judgment. The question is will he act?
I am sure that it is known that it takes 3 bishops to ordain one bishop so important is the validity of a bishop’s jurisdiction. I too remember many moon ago when a question arose about the recitation of the breviary for the clergy. It was a mortal sin to miss even one day of its prayer. Then came VII and the obligation turned to the reading of a spiritual book (especially the new documents) for an hour would suffice. Something is or is not otherwise it is easy for doubt and cynicism to creep in. The idea of the here today and gone tomorrow jurisdiction is really hard to swallow.
I cannot speak for the Society, but I do not think Bergoglio’s letter can be construed as confirming their position. Surely, to do that, the “genuine modernist” would have to identify himself as “being” the state of necessity in view of which they have supplied jurisdiction?
May the SSPX consecrate 105 bishops and provide the needed shepherding that has been derelict in vast swaths of the western world. I pray I see the end of the Novus Ordo in my lifetime.
I personally see this as nothing more than a big indication that the capitulation of the SSPX to the vatican 2 religion is now very much in the works. What POSSIBLE reason could Francis have for making this move other than that? I may be wrong but I seriously doubt it. Im guessing that within a few years the sspx and fssp will be totally interchangeable.
I think the Popes letter was a brilliant tactical maneuver. Rather than declare that the SSPX priests can not validly or legitimately hear confessions; therefore, avoid them. He demonstrated his indisputable power as the Supreme Pontiff over all priests who call themselves Catholic by giving the SSPX priests the validity and legitimacy that they apparently lacked. They can turn around and say ‘well we had it anyway.’ But the Pope, the indisputable head of the Church that SSPX claims to belong to, has made it obvious to the world that he does not believe that claim, and he, the Pope, has the power and the desire to make it right, for the good of the faithful. The Pope looks like the Pope should look: powerful, magnanimous, caring and generous. The SSPX looks far worse than it ever has.
I don’t see how you can spin this any other way.
Rich,
What is going on here is the hegelian dialectic this is a classic Marxist tactic. Problem reaction solution (aka) thesis antithesis synthesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWo1wKWiJHY
( I in no way support David Icke or his spiritual views but this video is good in explaining the hegelian dialectic )
I hope the leaders of the SSPX see what is going on here. What Pope Frances has done will create a PROBLEM (what to do with SSPX marriages and what to do when the “year of mercy” is over ect) Then the Bishops,the SSPX leaders and the laymen will have a REACTION they will cry out to Rome “we have a PROBLEM here” (what do we do with this “mess” the PROBLEM has caused)
Then comes the SOLUTION phase which is what the zionist/masonic/marxist revolution intended when they introduced the PROBLEM in the first place which is the swallowing up of the SSPX into Vatican II new Church. The devil is smart and tricky.
This is a long war in 1988 the zionist/masonic/ marxist revolution divided and conquered Tradition with the creation of the FSSP and the other approved traitor groups.Then the devil and his zionist/masonic/ marxist revolution divided and conquered Tradition with the war between the SSPX and the Resistance. Now the the devil and his zionist/masonic/ marxist revolution is trying to reunite the SSPX & FSSP and the other approved traitor groups which will then lead to the marxist conflict clash infighting that they love so much in politics. Brilliant yes evil for sure.
The SSPX and the FSSP and the other approved traitor groups will fight if the SSPX comes into new church (think of what agent of Satan Michael Voris and his reactionary comments will do then) The devil is running circles around Catholics. Remember the Frances quote “Make a Mess!” wow “Make a Mess! indeed Our Lady of Fatima pray for us!
After the events of yesterday I predict Bishop Williamson and Bishop Faure will be doing more consecrations of Bishops. If I had to put a number I on it I would guess we will see at least 5 more Bishops all over the world and I think we will see more Bishops soon. I do not know under what conditions the remaining three Bishops in the official SSPX would consecrate more Bishops. We always here about Bishop Williamson and Bishop Fellay but we need to remember that the other two Bishops while silent are still there and can do consecrations if need be. Bishop Tissier De Mallerais can see what is going on and I trust his judgment. The question is will he act?
I have to give credit where it is due. Bishop Williamson knew something about events of yesterday and he gave us a heads up last week.
Google:
Bishop Williamson Relentless Romans
tufty,
You do not have a Catholic mind. Your intellect is toxic and poisoned. If you think what Frances is doing is a “brilliant tactical maneuver” you are beyond natural help.
What is going on here is the hegelian dialectic this is a classic Marxist tactic. Problem reaction solution (aka) thesis antithesis synthesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWo1wKWiJHY
( I in no way support David Icke or his spiritual views but this video is good in explaining the hegelian dialectic )
Catholics don’t act this way. Catholics don’t think this way. The SSPX belongs to the Catholic Church not Vatican II cult of man new church. Frances does not look “powerful, magnanimous, caring and generous” he did not do anything yesterday! Frances only set up the hegelian dialectic! The SSPX has supplied jurisdiction now and has had it. Maybe on December 8 Frances will confess his modernism to Bishop Fellay!
Dear Rich,
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With all due respect, I think your reading of the events are wrong.
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What Francis did affects ALL traditional priests. Yes, even the SV’s. He has confirmed that a “state of necessity” for the salvation of souls exists in the Catholic Church. Therefore, the SSPX are also confirmed that their “irregular” position is the proper one.
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Furthermore, it is a free for all now. The SSPX can consecrate bishops, the Williamson group can consecrate bishops, Fr. Cekada’s group and other SV’s can consecrate bishops. And all with the implicit consent of the bishop of Rome, regardless of whether they recognize him as Peter or not. As long as they are Traditional Catholic and faithful to the Magisterium, they can infer that a “state of necessity” exits in the Roman Catholic Church. And if they “feel” that their respective groups need x more bishops, who is Francis now to judge.
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Francis really opened up a pandora’s box with this gem.
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Got to wonder who the theologically challenged genius from the “Buenos Aires School” was who came up with this one. I’m thinking titular bishop of Tiburnia. 🙂
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This is what I call the “God” of surprises.
Is this just more unthinking action on Francis’ part? Who would be one of his aides or secretaries, or advisors! Wake up each morning and just hate to get to work: what will the fool do today?????
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Does Francis not understand the wider implications of this action? S. Armaticus has put his finger on this with lots of possibilities noted that could come from this one little ‘merciful’ action…talk about making a mess!
On this matter, John Vennari says the following: “—— I am not terribly bowled-over by this.—-” Interestingly enough, I agree with him. Who Knew?
http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/98b055cd1ecdf58d1a365bb9bc30f730-437.html
I think you may have tufty wrong. What he/she said is spot on. It’s a brilliant Marxist tactic. It presents to the world the perception of Francis good, SSPX bad. Because now if the SSPX doesn’t bend to Bergoglio’s modernist will it will further solidify the world’s perception of the SSPX as a breakaway schismatic sect. Especially after such a caring and generous gesture on the Pope’s part. It puts the SSPX between a rock and a hard place. Check mate.
Heh, heh-gotta give credit to your imagination, dear S. Armaticus!
Agree with you to a substantial degree, Rich.
Starting to miss the gentlemanly Mr Peter Lamb already…
I don’t agree with this. Bergoglio didn’t confirm a necessity. In a short sighted manner he flexed his papal muscle by showing Traditionalists his perceived power over them. His narcissism may come back to bite him over the can of worms he opened.
Me too, my friend.
JamesTheLesser,
This is all demonic and this is not the Frances reality show. Real souls are going to go to real hell for real eternity because of the actions and inaction of these churchmen.
The perception of the SSPX is irrelevant the reality is what matters. God is who matters these demons in the Vatican can play games only as long as they are alive then perception gives way to reality. God will not be mocked. It all comes out in the wash as they say.
We are going to see the power of truth manifest itself. Truth is like a ball you can push it under water and it will bounce back up to the top no matter who is trying to drown the ball it even if it be the highest authority on earth the Vicar of Christ.
The SSPX is right on Dogma and doctrine this will be made clear. The churchmen will bend the knee to Our Lord Jesus Christ in this world or in the next. If they cling to their dear Vatican II and new mass they will wake up in hell. Reality is the true check mate……..Just sayin
The perception of the SSPX is NOT irrelevant. Especially if you are a modernist attempting to stop Catholics from following them and authentic Catholicism.
But I am quite sure Pope Francis will not admit to the necessary implications of his reasoning, given on the face of the document in issue – although not using the standard form of words that would normally be required for legal efficacy (this may issue later), nevertheless the words make his intention as to their effect clear enough to be understood by the reasonable man.
I believe that Pope Francis wants to subvert and weaken his “enemies” but he may not be successful in that. S Armaticus has given a chronological list of various improvements regarding access to Traditional Mass and sacraments, almost in spite of the intention to get rid of the movement back to Tradition, wherein is found the True Faith.
Your missing the point. Francis is playing on the widely held perception that the SSPX is a schismatic group with no jurisdiction to hear confessions. How the SSPX reacts is paramount. If they claim they always had the authority then people will view this as a affront to the Pope. And it will actually keep people away. Because it will further solidify the perception of a schimatic group. If the SSPX gives in then the modernists have them in their clutches. Of course God wins in the end. Nobody doubts that. In the mean time souls are in the balance. And it appears even further that in the fight for souls the modernists continue to have the upper hand. Of course, Bergoglio’ s plan could back fire.
de Maria numquam satis,
John Vennari has been a huge disappointment in the past few years. He has acted as a pivet towards the FSSP and the pseudo trad camp. You know the “let’s call get along trad ecumenism movement. What he and others like the remnant are doing with Bishop Williamson, Bishop Faure and the Resistance (pretending they do not exist) is very Voris like it is very Marxist like I must say.
What do I mean? Voris staying true to his Marxist opus dei type form tries to tell the history of the crisis as if Archbishop Lefebvre never existed. The secular leftists do this all the time in politics and in secular circles.
John Vennari, Christopher Ferrara, Michael Matt and yes our Louie act as if Bishop Williamson, Bishop Faure and the Resistance do not exist and are not Catholic. Why is this so? It bothers me. The same can be said of Eric Gajewski the guy has earned his strips and his Trad street cred look at his numbers:
TradCatKnight 211,000 followers 4,247,018 page views!!! 4,247,018!
Remnant 1300
Rorate 8000
SSPX 575
EWTN: 118,000
Facebook:
TradCatKnight 101,000 followers
Remnant 7700
Rorate N/A
SSPX 1800
Google+:
TradCatKnight: 23,600 followers and 250,000 million views
Remnant: dropped out because probably no one cared to view them here
Rorate: N/A
SSPX: 50
EWTN: 5,000 Do not seem to active here
Youtube:
TradCatKnight 36,000 subscribers 2 million views
Remnant 4,500
Rorate N/A
SSPX: Doesnt state but given view counts probably around 1000 subscribers
I am not even saying that the Resistance is right or that I agree with them but it is profoundly disturbing to see men pretend that they do not exist. Just sayin………. This has to change. I know John Vennari, Christopher Ferrara, Michael Matt and other don’t like Bishop Williamson……..to bad. Get over it.
JamesTheLesser,
I hear what you are saying that is due to our dumb Catholics who are being led around by the nose by Satan and the synagogue of Satan. The bad guys are winning it is a fact. Hate to say they will likely go on winning we Catholics are pretty stupid.
Yesterday I wished that Bishop Williamson was the superior general of the SSPX. His answer to Rome would have been something like:
“Holy Father thank you we already have those I would be happy to hear your confession on December 8th but before that we must clear up the doctrine, Vatican II and the problem of the new mass”
I agree with you that how the SSPX reacts is paramount I would say yesterday they got it 50% right they upheld the fact they have jurisdiction now. The 50% they got wrong was they didn’t mention Vatican II, doctrine or the new mass. They should have fired back they are under attack.
Also the part of the release that said the SSPX was notified “via the press” seems odd because Bishop Williamson knew something was in the works last week he warned his readers that something was coming which can be read here: http://stmarcelinitiative.com/relentless-romans/
How did Bishop Williamson know and the authorities of the SSPX not know?
I absolutely agree with your comment.
JamesTheLesser & Rich,
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I think you’ve got it right.
Why would Francis be confirming a “State of necessity”? That would implicitly confirm that Vatican II and the ensuing reforms has caused such a disaster that such a state of necessity has become necessary. IOW – as Dumb Ox pointed out above, that Bergoglio himself is part of the problem, and the likes of him are the cause of such a state.
I think Bergoglio is merely trying to prove, in narcissistic fashion, his wondrous “mercy” to those “rebel schismatics”, and as you point out, he is trying to flex his papal muscle over the trads.
JamesTheLesser,
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“It presents to the world the perception of Francis good, SSPX bad.”
EXACTLY!
This is the idea I was trying to get across in my comment in the previous post. This does not have anything to do with Francis confirming a state of necessity. It is a show of power of Francis over the traditionalists.
It will create further confusion and infighting, and I doubt there will be good fruits ensuing out of this.
Hi Barbara:
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Before I answer your question, I would like to point your attention to the Sandro Magister post at this link: http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351102?eng=y
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Now that we understand the situtatin inside the Sacred Vatican Walls, i.e. chaos, we can assess the proper context of what Francis did and motives.
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As Magister points out, Francis has created a “parallel curia” around him who give him advice and make decisions outside of the formal Curia structure. They even schedule meetings and audiences without telling poor Fr. Lombardi.
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With respect to what Francis did, or rather the form in which he did it, he no doubt received advice on a “political” level, without checking what the canonical consequences of his actions would imply. On an aside, this is the reason why a pope has a Curia, to make sure that that which he “produces” does not have any unintended consequences.
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Now to Francis’ specific action. The way in which one needs to look at what Francis did is by looking what was done in a similar situation by BXVI. An analogous situation was the lifting of the excommunication of the SSPX bishops. This was done in the form of a DECREE REMITTING THE EXCOMMUNICATION “LATAE SENTENTIAE” OF THE BISHOPS OF THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS X through the Congregation for Bishops. This was an official Vatican document in which BXVI exercized his legitimate power to lift canonical penalties that are reserved to the Holy See. This was the basis of this decision.
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Now with respect to Francis. Francis acted unilaterally. As per Louie’s brilliant analysis above and in the preceding post, what Francis did was outside the normal channel for such decision. IN other words, the Curia (CDF in this case) was most certainly not informed. If you look at the paragraph that Louie posted above that “confirms” that the SSPX has supplied jurisdiction, we see no canonical basis on which Francis makes this decision. But just because Francis does not reference a canonical basis, does not mean that one does not exist. In this case, the canonical basis is assumed. And since Francis uses the same “phraseology” that the SSPX (their canonists) use when explaining their supplied jurisdiction, it confirms that Francis confirms that their position is an objectivly correct position.
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And the only way that they could have obtained the supplied juridiction (have an objectivly correct position) is due to a “state of necessity” for the salvation of souls that exists in the Universal Church.
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Or to look at it another way, if Francis confirms that the SSPX have supplied jurisdiction at any time after the excommunication in 1988, then it is only logical that they have always had it and simultaneously confirms that they obtained it through the “state of necessity”. They could not have gotten it any other way.
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Now as to Francis’ motives. I think that the SSPX are only pawn in this situation. The object of Francis’ actions is most likely Card. Muller. Since he has created for himself the function of “theological structurer”, Francis was blocked from using a formal mechanism (a la papal decree) since it would not get past the CDF. On an aside, card. Muller is the arch-nemesis of the SSPX in the Curia, so even a hint of what Francis was up to would have created a shit storm.
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So Francis needed a sneaky mechanism to go around the “system” and he accomplished it through a letter to the archbishop. He found a “clever solution”, but it turns out that the solution was “too clever by half”. It created a whole host of uninteded consequences.
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So now to the motivation. What Francis was trying to do in my humble opinion was to demonstrate how “wide and large” is the scope of his concept of mercy. This was no doubt done to create friction among the orthodox/Catholic bishops at the upcoming synod. It pits Card. Muller (anti-SSPX) against card. Brandmuller and Archbishop Schneider (pro-SSPX). And there are a lot of bishops who support the SSPX secretly, so this was done to give them an olive branch.
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The other thing that Francis is doing is changing the rules at the upcoming synod to a simple majority vote (no longer 2/3). So any strife amongst the conservatives is good for Francis and Kasper.
Largely, of course, agree with you, dear In Hoc. But could we not say, in a certain sense, that Bergoglio is an honest man? He stated at the beginning that he intended to fully put forth VII- exactly what he’s doing. Hence, in another sense, one could say that Francis is not the problem. The problem is Vatican II-one day Bergoglio will be gone. Then if another comes forward who further implements the same agenda-we must do the Catholic math, as pointed out in another place, to know what will continue —
http://inveritateblog.com/2014/09/01/francis-is-not-the-problem/
Dear Lynda,
You’re right – but his main enemy is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. He will not be successful in subverting or weakening this enemy, for Holy Mother Church is the Undefiled Bride of Christ and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against her.
The state of necessity for the salvation of souls (as codified in Canon Law) is implied in the grounds given for the “grant” of validity and liceity to SSPX absolutions, on the face of the public letter. However, I’m quite sure he would not acknowledge that. He wants to put a spanner in the works – and defeat Tradition (including the SSPX). However, as S Armaticus has pointed out, he and his Modernist cohorts may not be successful in achieving the result they want.
I agree with James as to Francis’s aims. However, the very words of the grounds for the “grant”, explicitly cited in the “grant”, as a matter of fact, necessarily implies the state of necessity. The state of necessity doesn’t just begin on Day 1 of the Jubilee Year, and end on the last day of that Year. That is absurd. If the grounds apply to the period of the Jubilee Year, they necessarily have applied from the moment faculties were removed, up to now.
ST PIUS X
Ora pro nobis
Dear piokolby,
Do you realize you have been mainly complaining and fomenting dissension? You may want seriously to do an examination of conscience about that?
“For which cause comfort one another; and edify one another…” 1 Thessalonians 5:1
Alarico,
We are in a war. I am not fomenting dissension. I am not intending to foment dissension. I am interested in exposing the tricks of the devil and his agents if I spot them. I am interested in winning. I am interested in defeating the modernists.
Human nature seems to have a default mode built into it anytime matters call on us to suffer for Our Lord or when the need to clear the air is there and when someone clears the air human nature default mode kicks in and we sing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w3Lm_gu-ZY
I do my examination of conscience often and I fail everyday. That really does not have anything to do with my points. I get it my words make people feel icky. The truth often does that. Again I do not intend to complain and foment dissension but I admit it I have been at this for 15 years and I am sick of the modernists winning so I am a grouch. Have mercy on me.
ST PIUS X
Ora pro nobis
De Maria,
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In response to your comment further above, I agree that the root cause of the problem is Vatican II, but as regards Bergoglio, no, I do not think we can say that he is a fundamentally honest man – he often speaks out of both sides of his mouth. If he were an honest man, the likes of CMTV and the neo-catholics would not even have a fig leaf with which to cover themselves pretending that he is actually trying to defend the deposit of faith. Ultimately, sin and evil always needs to cloak itself under the guise of goodness in order to deceive souls – like the “concession” of absolution powers which, IMO, Francis is slyly using to attempt to draw the SSPX into modernist Rome, and to confirm catholics in their negative view of the “Schismatic” SSPX.
dear In Hoc,
Thank you so much, In Hoc. Your abolutely right, I agree we cannot say Francis is a fundamentally honest man. I meant kind of tongue in cheek, In Hoc, if you will, with regard to that point alone. Obviously poorly worded (heh-not the first time for me,) sans total clarity in that moment. With gratitude for addressing me, dear In Hoc. May His Peace be to you today and ever.
No, dear piokolby
I was just trying to give those who know me here a giggle. Don’t ask why right now, bc I am not wearing my knee guards. And BTW, I’m quite sure I did just that, give my friend a laugh & a light hearted moment, at least I hope so.
I particularly like Mundabor’s take on this recent move of Frank: https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/timeo-franciscum-et-dona-ferentes/
And did you see this classic MSNBC posting on this topic?
https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/msnbc-wins-libtard-prize-2015/
In Hoc writes:
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“Why would Francis be confirming a “State of necessity”? That would implicitly confirm that Vatican II and the ensuing reforms has caused such a disaster that such a state of necessity has become necessary.”
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The answer is most likely that he and his advisers are canonically challenged incompetent idiots. They tried to be clever, and ended up undermining the entire post-conciliar church structure.
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What is important to understand is that it is the Church that gives the “extraordinary supplied jurisdiction”, not the pope. But the pope is the foremost authority with respect to whether the Church is in a “state of necessity”. Whether he declares it inadvertently or not doesn’t really matter. On an aside, this is why he has a Curia, to make sure that these sort of unintended consequences don’t pop up.
S. Armaticus, I appreciate your clear explanation – way above by now. And I agree with your comment just above that he and his cohort may be stupid. Or really I should call it arrogance. The arrogant do and say pretty much what they like, and are startled when anyone points out they are mistaken.
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This mess Francis has created is the beginning of the end – we will see his papacy slide into increased incoherence defended by some of his close advisors and other apostates and heretics. I think Catholics will begin to tuck their heads under their wings and hope this all goes away. The visit to the U.S. may open some eyes. We can only ask Our Lady to guard faithful souls from discouragement.
P.S. Does St. Thomas have a theological term to cover “shit storm?” Made me smile among the tears.
Yes, I think this is certainly what Francis is intent on doing (drawing the SSPX into full communion with the false vatican 2 religion). We all know however that it always take two to tango….and I personally believe (my opinion only) that Bp Fellay is about ready to start dancing.
But can we have it both ways? He is either an idiot or a clever fox. He can’t be both. I believe in charity we must not input motives or intent to anything he does.
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Thomas Aquinas taught, and still does, that we can only see actions and hear or read words. God alone sees the heart. Man is so constituted that his WILL is oriented to the good. The intellect informs the will, and the will acts. The intellect displays the options, and the will chooses one – but ALWAYS because one of the options APPEARS to be a good. The choice may be an evil, but it always seems good at the time – this can be seen by our own personal experience. Think back to the worst thing you ever did. You thought it was a good idea at the time, or the choice was the best of several not so good ones.
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Francis and his cohort do evil and cause great scandal, and will be judged by God when they die. However, to keep saying they are out to destroy the Church – that that is their aim – is to know what we can’t know.
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Note, I am not suggesting we just sit back and wait for their particular judgement for justice. We have an obligation to fight for our Church, and for Truth. We have all the armour we need without having to reach for the easy way out – personal insult, trashing reputations, and imputing motives.
But a great priest of Holy Mother Church, whose writing was approved & promoted by Pope St. Pius X does not agree with you, dear Barbara. http://www.liberalismisasin.com/
Also in audio, in case you find reading too tedious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL5k2qOdutw&list=PLMqTedoWpsw9uqZ16k0ujAqcL14HtcTl1
Of course you are correct if what meant is that no one judges the interior of a man. That is for God alone. That is a given. Nevertheless, I think it can be safely said that if one reads Catholic Family News & the Remnant you’ll find all 3 things you mentioned in your last sentence there.
Of course, piokolby. Likewise for me.
But we can’t fight the devil alone.
You’re not alone in this, piokolby.
The SSPX is not alone in this.
Yes, and when Catholic Family News and the Remnant stoop to personal invective and imputing motives it grieves me just as when I do it, or anyone here does it.
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We all fail in this area – but I think we must think about this and see it for what it is, and perhaps talk about facts and data, and ideas…..I truly wish we could rise above this kind of thing…we are human and have failings, but don’t we want to grow in holiness?
With all the hot air on tap for bergoglio’s magical mystery tour, lightheaded moments, at least, should abound!
Amen
And when Francis’ Year of Mercy begins, will those who have previously confessed to an SSPX priest have to confess that they had confessed to an SSPX priest before the Year of Mercy commenced?
And a further thought: Would the penitent have to express a firm purpose of amendment to avoid all SSPX Masses in future and not frequent the SSPX confessional after the Year of Mercy has expired?
And, again I say: AMEN!!
The absurd result of suggesting that the grounds for validity exist during the “Year of Mercy”, but not before then (and, most likely, after).
!!!!!!! vis a vie: daily air quality alerts towards end
September here in nyc, etc.
“…What Pope Frances has done will create a PROBLEM (what to do with SSPX marriages and what to do when the “year of mercy” is over ect) Then the Bishops,the SSPX leaders and the laymen will have a REACTION they will cry out to Rome “we have a PROBLEM here” (what do we do with this “mess” the PROBLEM has caused)…”
This is silly. The SSPX aren’t going to “cry out” to Rome about anything. They’ve operated with supplied jurisdiction since way back when, and will continue in that manner after the so called “year of mercy.” This changes nothing but gives them “official” jurisdiction for the time being. There is no indication they asked for this or even seen it coming.
“…Bishop Williamson knew something about events of yesterday and he gave us a heads up last week…”
Bishop Williamson stated that he suspected the dreaded “practical agreement” was coming. That’s not what this is.
There’s obviously a political angle to this, but darned if I see what it is just yet.
I will say this however…if Francis actually believed in sin, mortal sin, juristiction, etc. in the way the Church teaches, this would be a much bigger deal than it actually is. I’m sorry, but does anyone here really think Francis holds to understanding of the Sacrament of Confession as explained, say, at the Council or Trent? This is the same Francis who called a protestant televangelist his “brother bishop.” Think about it.
AMEN.