Last week, His Humbleness, speaking aboard Heretic One, gave sweeping “papal” (if you will allow) approval for intercommunion with Protestants of all stripes; going well beyond simply inviting those who are married to a Catholic as proposed by the German bishops.
The broadness of this Bergoglian blessing appears to have escaped the attention of most other commentators, at least insofar as I have read, but it is a crucially important signal for what lies ahead.
There’s an old saying concerning authority and leniency, “Give ‘em and inch; they’ll take a foot.” In the Church of today, the opposite appears to be more fitting, “Propose an inch; he’ll grant ‘em a foot.”
We saw this at play in the Synods of 2014 and 2015.
To the horror of many at the time (a large portion of whom, for some reason, no longer seem all that horrified) the Kasper proposal signaled the possibility of inviting the civilly divorced and remarried (i.e., those who are knowingly persisting in a situation of objective mortal sin) to Holy Communion.
Needless to say, this proposal represented far more than an inch when measured according to authentically Catholic standards, but be that as it may, Bergoglio responded by granting a country mile; effectively eliminating the very idea of mortal sin and even going so far as to claim that God Himself asks for persons to persist in adultery.
Keep this in mind as the 2018 Synod on Young People and the 2019 Pan-Amazon Synod approach, the Preparatory document for the former of which includes the language of gay activism, while that of the latter hints of opening priestly ordination to married men.
Also lost in the coverage of last week’s in-flight press conference aboard Heretic One following the so-called “Ecumenical pilgrimage of His Holiness Francis to Geneva” was this gem provided by the star of the show:
I would just like to say one word clearly: that today was an ecumenical day, truly ecumenical. And at lunch we said something wonderful, which I will leave you with so you may think and reflect and give some good consideration to this: in the ecumenical movement we have to remove one word from the dictionary: proselytism. Is that clear? There can be no ecumenism with proselytism; one has to choose: either you have an ecumenical spirit or you are a “proselytist”.
After having thought, reflected, and given this heartfelt exhortation some good consideration, I hereby declare myself a proselytist!
No need to be Baptized or profess Catholicism . No more deadly sins. We are all headed for heaven eh?
Then why am I not sensing we live on a Utopian Love Planet ?
Oh well it must be coming ……..I just can’t get all excited over the AntiChrist as the Borg seems to be !
…and in addition only slightly off topic, I really got a chuckle out of Voris’ new video someone emailed me ( once you get past all the “Please sign up for Premium membership” stuff) he explains the concentric circles of clerics in the homo heresy crowd. I think many of us already knew they ALL know who is who and keep their mouths shut for dear of their Bishop’s punishment and own careers. Of note was a tiny little off side suggestion that the current Pope might bee complicit ( but not in those exact words).
I laughed because YEARS ago I posted the exact same news report from personal experience and from a small group of soon to retire priests who filled me in on the whole cabal , not to mention Randy’s seminal research for her book ,’ Rite of Sodomy ‘……..after removing my post an email from the Vortex Moderator came in stating,”We are not interested with your experience and knowledge of the dark side of the Church.”
Well whoop dee doo , they sure are now, because that is their main topic of com box interest ! Premium membership anyone to listen to what we already know?
Oh yes and he advises holding back donations to the Church too until they sweepoutthefilth………
He’s the driving force behind any fake synod, we all know that as well. It’s all him. They never go as far as he’d like, so he helps them out and encourages all to go further. He’s not Catholic. He’s a lot like Barack Obama in some ways. Obama was president, but it was clear he didn’t like most Americans (the ones who didn’t look like him), and he didn’t like America (he insulted America constantly and apologized around the world for our success). That’s not different from this guy.
It’s a bad thing when the head of any organization actually hates the organization. Bergolio is incensed to imagine anyone would get together with an atheist or Protestant and mention it’s great to be Catholic. He doesn’t have to worry, I doubt anyone is staying up nights thinking about how to sell Catholicism to anyone right now. We’re too busy watching it go around the bowl.
In typically Stalinist fashion, he’s foaming at the mouth to flush Badthinkers and their nonconforming thoughts and thus words down the memory hole. It won’t surprise me at all when Judas Conciliarists join their fellow worldlings in seeking to systematically flush Badthinkers (e.g., RAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCIISSTTS) down the memory hole.
Not interested in the dark side of the church (V2 N.O)? My question: Is there another side???
“There can be no ecumenism with proselytism; one has to choose: either you have an ecumenical spirit or you are a “proselytist”.”
Well, duh. That’s the whole point of the false Vatican II religion!
Need to convert to the Catholic faith to save your soul? Not no more. Rainbows days are here and as long as you are human you can be sure of Heaven. No need to even think about purgatory because God would never let us go there. God loves us , you know and hell is only a concept with nobody their. Just forget about the last 2000 years of Church teachings. Today we know better.
Sadly 2VT, so many trads still think those who promote ecumenism over conversion are actually Catholic.
It is noted how Francis put his little ‘F’ signature to the German Bishops non-conference pastoral recommendation letter.
The heretical coward in chief doesn’t have the balls to write in his full name.
At least Pilate washed his hands off the matter. Pilate would’ve told the Germans to go and abuse the Body of Christ by themselves.
Bergolio added his little ‘kiss’ of betrayal. Must’ve learnt that art from Tucho.
If anyone is in any position to offer Papal Gifts, might I recommend gifting him a nice rope noose in a velvet box? It’ll go well next to the chocolate Luther and the Hammer/Sickle Crucifix.
Then they aren’t Trad. They are still Novus Ordo.
I know Wuerl is probably up at night with his legal team .Someone put the breaks on the reveal of the most extensive Diocesan GJ Investigation yet and I have one person in mind.
Sorry , I know some of the victims and they want the truth out there having waited for decades and decades and being accused as liars by friends of the perps, their protectors and clueless laity.
Yes My 2 Cents , the deceased some retired and now invisible priests who have been swept out of sight.
I saw this on that Fr Z blog and I laughed. ( because if we do not laugh once in awhile at all this stupidity we will all get way too morose )
“A woman was told by her priest to NOT wear her veil to Mass. It was blessed and so she didn’t know if she was required by obedience to not wear it, or since because it was blessed she should ignore his request. I believe she stopped when he gave a scorching homily about women trying to seem holier than thou by what they wear to church.”
Fr Z gives some kindly advice . But frankly I am so over fed on this NO pseudo trad nonsense of ask the priest and be obedient to him because he is “holy” . Make sure the very last bit of common Catholic sense you have is buried somewhere.
The first thing that popped into my mind was I would have probably wanted to ask the priest if maybe wearing veil made him concerned that some homosexual pseudo woman might be jealous because he can’t, without looking like a hypocrite. Is he worried I might offend the LGBTQ crowd the Pope and the church is pandering to?
Then I would get out and never set foot in there again. For ANY priest to speak about women like that screams of hatred for the female sex ….WHY?
I guess what I am trying to say above is that what once appeared to me to be just a modernist NO priest has taken on a whole new meaning. Now I look at them like here is something even more defective about them.
I look at Francis the same way. This man cannot have remotely grown up in the same religion we called Catholic.
One time while visiting my cousin we went to Mass. I had my rosary and was saying it when the priest processed in from the back. Hr stopped at our pew and glared pass the people on the end staring hatefully at the rosary hanging from my hands .His entire homily was how you should not being your rosary to church because it is a private devotion.
Again, I now believe something is very wrong with a priest who would say something like this.
Sweep, a Catholic priest would never say that about the Rosary. You most likely encountered a NO imposter who you falsely assumed was a priest. If he was ordained properly, it is evident he apostasized to the NO V2 sect. Another lesson to all, never set foot into a church run by the NO sect.
Tom, but who and how was such hatred for Traditional Catholicism instilled?
My own cousins snidely asked me what I thought about their church when we went out to the car.
I had zero idea how much even THEY held bitterness towards us regarding the Faith. Our crime? We joined an Eastern Catholic Rite a decade or two before we visited them?
I mean, just look at the blunder boy. Why such hatred? he admitted he came here ONLY because he hated traditional catholics.
Why would a priest lash out from the pulpit at a woman wearing a veil or praying the rosary?
We naively attended a TLM Indult when we last moved. Frankly the priest’s bias against the very people he was celebrating the mass for was palpable afterwards when we went outside. He seemed to be just tolerating the people who came up to him , rather than displaying any ounce of warmth for fellow Catholics.
Like his Humbleness, out of whose lips spills acrimony directed at “rigid’ “bead counters” , there is REAL HATRED.
It wasn’t as noticeable in the previous two Papacies .It seems to be growing exponentially while at the same time they preach about love ,love , loving everybody. They talk about love while only sewing seeds of rancor.
TomA, Tomorrow is the 30th Anniversary of the SSPX Episcopal Consecrations. SSPX continues to Recognize the Chief of the NO Sect BUT the NO Sect does return the favor and offers no fully canonical recognition of SSPX! An unrequited recognition combined with a doctrinal resistance. The SSPX position is truly illogical and schizophrenic. Tactically though, what do you think the SSPX gets out of that? Qui bono? Hypothetically, let’s say they stop resisting and continue recognizing. Possible result: They become a bigger FSSP or ICK. Let’s say they stop recognizing and continue resisting. Possible result: SSPX Bishops join with other Sede (CMRI, Sanborn, Dolan, etc.) Bishops and hold a Conclave and elect a Pope who resides in Rome. Not a stretch as it is rumored that Fr. David Pagliarani (former District Superior of Italy) is the leading candidate for Superior of the SSPX. Any thoughts on these scenarios?
Did you notice he said “in the ecumenical movement”….?
This is in reality the mission, the purpose, and the overreaching error of Vatican II. No longer is this institution’s mission given by Christ to His Church to “go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15), but to entrench into the heart and soul of Catholics, a new religion, a false gospel, the synthesis of heresies, Modernism.
When you consider all that has occurred since Vatican II and the constant changes implemented in everything from the liturgy to this new approval for inter-communion with heretics of all stripes, particularly taken as a whole, how is it not evident that a wholesale apostasy has rendered it impossible for any Catholic to support this institution?
What are we to make of the man who calls himself the Bishop of Rome?
Why would the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano publish an article on April 26, 2013 , “Il Talmud giorno per giorno”, which extolls that the anti-Christian Talmud is available online and further praising the same website for offering daily lessons (which take seven years in total) which supposedly demonstrate that the Talmud is ‘biblical’ when it is if fact the opposite as the Talmud seeks to nullify the word of God whenever possible and substitute it with the man-made delusions of the Talmudic/Kabbalist rabbis. The Talmud accomplishes this by commenting on much from the Tanakh pretending as if it is the word of God instead of the contrivances of 10th century and Renaissance rabbis.
For those who don’t understand that the man who calls himself the Bishop of Rome preaches a Yiddish gospel and not the Gospel of Jesus the Christ read the article by H. Reed Armstrong at the onepeterfive.com website, entitled: “Pope Francis and Kabbalah: From Jewish Mysticism to Pagan Collaberation?”
Hell is very ecumenical. Everyone there dialogues very loudly over one another. Sometimes with their fists and their teeth. Such passion! The fires down there must be the fires of luv! We’ all just misunderstood it for so long! The only thing that’s missing is the ‘mercy’! Thankfully Francis is here to tell us all to go down there permanently with him to sprinkle the ‘mercy’ drops of god-spray all the way to the peripheries. And together we will immigrate to Heaven once that Trumpian God evolves and says “SURPRISE!” and tears down those walls and gates and builds bridges.
Do you think that Fr. David Pagliarani might call the whole deal with Rome off? Or do you think he will go with the first scenario you wrote?
Your idea about the SSPX bishops and the sede bishops getting together…..I suggested the same thing a day or two ago. I would be back to SSPX mass a week after it took place.
If the SSPX were to go sede, then a conclave would be possible. The SSPX unfortunatey holds the key to credibility in the trad world. I am afraid, no conclave could attain a certain level of acceptance unless the SSPX were onboard.
I think the SSPX at some level thinks they will be able to change Rome from “the inside”. As long as they believe thisnonsense, they will never “go sede”.
I attended SSPX and I was convinced that my Priest must be a sede even though he didn’t say so, because he seemed to really believe the Catholic faith. He seemed pious, devout and like he knew the faith. But, I was wrong; he told us from the pulpit that Jorge was the Pope and my heart just broke. I cried so hard on my way home that day. SSPX is breaking my heart. I’d like to know if they could save the Church. DO they have the authority? I will pray for them as if the future of the world depended on them. But 2Vermont said they don’t believe they have the authority, what is true?
The Papal Subject, they could have easily had the first scenario by now. The second scenario boils down to what exactly do they in fact “recognize” and to timing. They recognize the enemy occupier of Vatican City as the Supreme Head or “Pope” of Mainline Protestantism/Ecumenicalism. This Mainline Christianity of Novus Ordoism & the WCC or the Church of Globalism is clearly dying throughout the West. The SSPX knows this and has and will continue with its “Fabian strategy.” In terms of numbers and resources, they know they’re the biggest Trad dog. They will not risk all they have built in a head-on confrontation with the Novus Ordo/WCC Church of Globalism Why seek to engage your enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself? So when the SSPX does their “recognize” two step with the Vatican occupier they do it to the tune of “keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.” So if they have a “Traddy” Conclave in the future, it will be big tent and include the FSSP, the ICK, in addition to the Independents/Sedes.