Three months ago today, the now-famous dubia wherein four high profile cardinals dared to ask the Bishop of Rome to confirm his brethren in the faith (the sacred duty of every pope) was delivered to Francis.
As of this writing, he has offered no “official” response to this request, and yet one is hard pressed to deny that he most certainly has given his answer. If he were an honest man, it would look something like this:
I, Francis, refuse to uphold the immutable doctrines of the Faith as taught with Divine authority by the Church as based upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, but rather fully intend to continue moving forward with an agenda fashioned according to my own personal preferences.
Sure hindsight is always 20/20, but who can possibly be surprised?
We now know that even before he was introduced to the world as Francesco on 13 March 2013, Jorge Bergoglio was insisting upon his personal preferences just behind the loggia doors. From his beat up shoes and plain vestments, to his chosen place of residence and means of transportation, this entire gig has been all about him from moment one.
While the Bergoglian humility-on-display (otherwise known as pride) extravaganza was initially considered charming by some, the blasphemy and heresy contained in Amoris Laetitia is another matter altogether.
Even many of the neo-conservative conciliar cheerleader types (aka the “Ratzingerians” with Cardinal Burke as their de facto leader) now seem resigned to the fact that, for the good of souls, Francis must be pressed in such a way as to facilitate either his (miraculous) conversion or his formal deposition.
This, in fact, is the very reason for the dubia. It is not, properly speaking, an attempt to seek clarity; it’s truly nothing less than an effort to rid the Church of a diabolically influenced madman.
So, what’s next?
Unfortunately, there is no precedent. We are, therefore, left largely to speculate. Given that New Year predictions are something of a time honored (even if pointless) custom, I offer here what I tend to think will happen moving forward:
Before the “formal act of correction” that Cardinal Burke promised is issued, I suspect that Cardinal Muller will, in his capacity as Prefect of the CDF, answer the five questions posed in the dubia in the only way they can be faithfully answered; i.e., in precisely the exact opposite way in which Francis would answer them if forced to do so plainly.
Yes, I know… In a previous post, I said that Muller and Francis are “birds of a feather” in their refusal to uphold the Faith, but in thinking this over a bit more, I have a sense that Muller will eventually provide the necessary responses while citing his sacred duty before God.
It may well be that his recent interview suggesting that he has been instructed not to answer the dubia was more about revealing Francis’ guile than it was meant as a pledge that he will not answer.
In any case, following Muller’s response (should that happen) the formal act of correction will be issued.
At this point, the real fireworks will begin…
Many more bishops and cardinals will publicly declare their allegiance, either to Francis or to Christ – and make no mistake, that’s the choice.
The majority of clergyman, however, will likely be content to hold their cards close to the vest; waiting to see in which direction the winds are going to blow.
At this point, regardless of how they respond moving forward, these men will have revealed themselves as mere hirelings who care not one whit for their flock but only for themselves. Make note of their names and remember them. It will be helpful moving forward…
In his interview with Edward Pentin, Burke said:
“It is the duty in such cases [the Pope teaching grave error or heresy], and historically it has happened, of cardinals and bishops to make clear that the Pope is teaching error and to ask him to correct it.”
With this in mind, following the act of correction, it would seem that we can expect these same cardinals and bishops to “ask” Francis to correct his errors. I can well imagine that this request will include a specific deadline, and may even indicate the consequences should he fail to do so. More on that in a moment.
Francis will be forced at this point, if not by circumstances then by pride, to respond. The prelates who aligned themselves with Francis will also begin to press him for a firm response; in this case, denouncing the others. Silence and shiftiness will no longer be a viable alternative.
Now, about those consequences…
Barring an explicit act on the part of Francis to accept the correction and to renounce the blasphemies and heresies in Amoris Laetitia (i.e., a miracle of conversion), a formal declaration should be made warning the faithful (specifically, those who had not the wherewithal to realize as much already) that Bergoglio is a heretic that must be avoided.
From here, the picture gets even muddier still.
Will the “good guy” cardinals have the wherewithal to assemble in conclave to elect a new pope? How many of them will there be?
What will the elephant in the room – you know, the guy who now considers himself the Pope Contemplatus – do?
Will he continue supporting the heretic Francis? Will he defend the true doctrine of the faith? Will he further cement his shameful place in Church history by attempting to remain neutral?
Will we have three men claiming some share in the Petrine Ministry? Will Benedict die before this can happen? (Not to be rude, but that would be a blessing.)
Needless to say, many more questions exist at this point than answers.
Regardless of what will take place in 2017 with respect to dubiagate, I for one am looking forward to it happening. The status quo is simply unbearable, and with every passing day, more and more souls are put, and left, at risk.
So, what are your predictions?
The blatant & non-stop heresy & blasphemy coming from this man make it impossible for the entire world not to be aware of his apostasy, but with most of the Hierarchy being cut from the same cloth & the world’s media as well, it is difficult to see how he can be removed other than by ‘leaning’ on him to resign. After all, that was what the present incumbents purportedly did to PB, who is still venerated by many despite his abandonment. As there is no precedent for the situation we find ourselves in, the formal correction appears to be at least a step in the right direction. The pew-sitter should support it, as not to do so will definitely mean we’ll get another PF in replacement. This would ensure a grave & long drawn-out schism which no-one wants to contemplate as it would tear apart too many souls. Of course, that scenario doesn’t register with the Modernist NWO religion who, in reality, want to do away with God!
The cardinals and bishops divide like in the days of Moses and Koran.
Burke and co demand Francis amend Amortise. Francis refuses and declares them ‘excommunicated’ similar to the SSPX.
Burke and co insist they are not but resist. They set up HQ in Portugal.
They do not announce that Francis is a heretic, and so Francis continues the demolition from Rome which becomes the seat of the Antichrist.
God is forced to act. WWIII begins. Benedict and Francis both die alongside all apostates HQ in Rome. Burke or whoever are left in Portugal will elect the new Pope. Russia is consecrated immediately.
Hey Louie, first impressions are usually best, (if you have good instincts-stick with “birds of a feather”). Have you seen ++Mueller’s more recent interview last Friday with Passauer Neue Presse, (http://angelqueen.org/2016/12/19/cardinal-muller-caves/ )? Speaking of marriage cases in doubt, he says, “an individual man, in his conscience, and after a careful consultation with his confessor, honestly comes to the conviction of the invalidity of his marriage.” Sounds right in line with (heretical) Amoris & exactly what the Council of Trent anathematized. No need to wait till 2017.
Ahhh, the ancient Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times. Sure do!
My prediction is that Almighty God will intervene in quite a dramatic way so that the current batch of prelates will be trembling with fear as to what will happen to them next. They treat Holy Mother the Church as if it were their private playground. How wrong they are. May the Immaculate Heart triumph soon!
More worries for 2017?
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/12/19/bloody-of-st-januarius-fails-to-liquefy/
Worth a listen….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1_zmn-Ryc&feature=youtu.be
Now back to our daily duties! Rosaries! And Scapulars! Our very Merciful Lord has thrown us this life preserver! Let’s grab on! Live that Fatima message!!
If current trends continue, Pope Francis will publicly ignore the correction when it comes. He will quietly remove from office those involved, charging them with “resisting the spirit” or other such vague accusations. Francis will also quietly replace these men by Francis-friendly clergy. At the same time, Francis’s flunkies will engage in ad-hominem attacks and verbal abuse at those supporting the correction. Correctors will be called un-Catholic, anti-Catholic, dissenters, Pharisees, fundamentalists, etc., along with unexpected invective inspired by the god of surprising insults. The correction leaders who’ve been removed from office will organize their followers and call themselves the Society of St. John Paul the Great. Rumors will circulate that members of the new Society are in schism and should be avoided by Catholics under pain of sin. Then it’s back to business as usual.
There is probably some genuinely sound reasons to appreciate, even admire, what Cardinal Burke and his compatriots are doing at this time with the Dubia. It could even be argued that they’re all demonstrating a level of courage that we rarely see in the Church these days. I, however, am not very comfortable in buying into the Burke hero-worshipping at this time.
My problem with Cardinal Burke is that I don’t believe he’s substantively much different than most of the other prelates in the Church. He seems to believe that if he says a Latin Mass now and then, or celebrates a Novus Ordo Mass, Ad Orientem, he will be loved and adored by all––including the “traditionalists”. The TLM, without doubt, is magnificent; but it is far from an “answer” to the problems in the Church that were created by Vatican II.
When I consider Cardinal Burke, I think about a bishop with one foot in the Vatican II camp and the other in the camp that supports the true teachings of the Church. He’s been that way ever since he was ordained. In fact, he leans far more heavily into Vatican II beliefs than he lets on. He didn’t move up in the hierarchy and get that red hat because of his smile.
So while I don’t necessarily believe this is a head-fake on his part, or even some sort of a conspiratorial good cop bad cop routine he’s set up with Pope Francis, I honestly don’t trust him to do the right thing as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. Something more must be going on in behind the curtain. Perhaps if he publicly denounced “ecumenism”, “religious liberty”, “collegiality”, “Nostra Aetate” and a few more of the many heretical teachings of Vatican II I’d feel more inclined to consider him legitimate. But not right now.
I greatly respect and admire everything you’ve been saying about Amoris Laetitia, Louie, and you well may completely disagree with my assessment of the good Cardinal Burke. Nevertheless, I’d be very cautious about placing too many of my chips on this guy’s number––at least at this time.
But I do completely agree with you that 2017 will almost certainly be the year when this, and many more issues are made much more clear. It is a very big year, as we know. To watch the incredible and surprising election of Trump beginning in the same year that we mark the anniversaries of Fatima, Luther’s revolution and the Russian revolution may be a mere coincidence, but if it is, it’s a big one.
I, Paul VI, refuse to uphold…
I, John Paul II. refuse to uphold…
I, Benedict XVI, refuse to uphold…
I, Francis, refuse to uphold…
I see a trend developing.
“A war will explode on Rome and there will be few survivors. He who is against Christ will bring suffering and sorrow to all of Europe. The throne of Peter will be empty.”
Considering what is known about ISIS plotting a major terror attack on the Vatican, this prophecy does not seem far-fetched – even if one discounts the messenger, Pedro Regis.
J.M.J.
My predictions for 2017?
1.) The Fatima “bishop in white” vision will be fulfilled with Bergoglio the seeming pope as victim.
2.) Pope St. Pius X’s prophecy of a successor of his BY NAME fleeing Rome over the bodies of his subordinates to go to a hiding place before experiencing a cruel death will be fulfilled with Pope Benedict XVI as victim (JOSEF Ratzinger is Benedict. GIUSEPPE (Italian for Joseph) Sarto was Pius X.)
God have mercy on both their poor souls!!
Our Lady of Fatima, ora pro nobis!!
Meanwhile the earth continues to tremble in Norcia heralding a greater one to come, which will surpass the first two earthquakes in magnitude and impact Rome…
Hi Louie,
My predictions.
The schism that already exists in the Church institution will be manifested and formalized when the 4 Cardinals make the formal correction and Francis refuses to back down or reply. The world will continue to recognize Francis as the pope because they are already in the spirit of Antichrist, which Francis is paving the way for. Those who are loyal to Christ will be persecuted as rebels and schismatics just as Our Lady at Akita predicted. While this is happening war with Russia will finally break out, most probably provoked by the evil secret societies who started the First World War (which destroyed the last traces of Catholic monarchies). At this point Pope Benedict XVI will realize there is no point being silent anymore, and will reveal the full terms of the 3rd Secret of Fatima since Russia has moved already. The secret will detail among other things the Bad Mass, Bad Council, possibly 2 particularly bad popes (see La Salette on 2 worm-ridden popes), and the big one – the “pope” “under the control of satan” – who we know as Francis.
Around this time Islam will break out in Europe from North Africa and those who are already there, causing death and destruction. Benedict (not Francis) will flee Rome in the company of 4 cardinals (yes 4 people) and will end up in Cologne, and most likely be martyred there, according to Fatima and Pope St Pius X (who has the same baptismal name which Pius predicted).
For some time we will be without a Pope and an antipope will be in Rome, who will now have lost the faith (La Salette). 24 months or more will pass. At some time the 3 days of darkness will occur and wipe out the enemies of Christ. Then the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary will begin – The Holy Pope (Petrus Romanus) and the Holy Monarch will reign for 20-25 years. After this is the rule of Antichrist for 3.5 years until the 2nd coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Very good points.
It seems we are heading for huge choices in 2017. With the 100th anniversary on May 13, 2017, something will have to give. It has been announced that the Francis will make a pilgrimage to Fatima which to some if not many will be the final affront on the message and warnings of Mary. “Amoris Laetitia” is the line in the sand for VII. We will be a line up on both sides much like in the desert with the 10 commandments. At that point the Church will go into formal schism or Francis will retire to Argentina more likely the second. Benedict’s time has passed unless the gang of Cardinals deems it necessary to calm the storm before electing another. It is only a matter of time for Benedict will die, that the whole process will start up again. That gang of old will huddle in their secluded place and plot the next conclave. It will be then that a moderate to left Pope will be elected or a schism will take place with a new social church, and the reformed Traditional church. The new social church will fashion itself after the Protestant mentality with both faith and morals based on private conscience interpretation. The Traditional church will be that with VII editing. All this will take place under another council. Fatima will be the point of choice. Time has come to heed the messages or leave them. All of this is without a direct intervention from heaven which in these times are becoming more expected.
I find it interesting that this whole debacle is rooted in of the removal of the requirement of sexual continence for people living in adultery by the highjackers and modernist within the Catholic Church.When one thinks about it the ground work for this was laid many many years ago when the requirement for sexual continence was removed for those who wish to contracept through NFP and chemical/medical methods and which naturally followed that sexual continence be also removed for all those married priests and married deacons for well over 50 years. Wake up! The redefining and inversion of the hierarchial purposes of the marriage and the conjugal act to mean falsely that the conjugal act was instituted by Christ primarily for the unity of human beings is the cancer folks. This redefinition of marriage and the conjugal acts primary purpose of procreation and this precisely which defines marriage has trampled marriage on a very grave level. The highjackers of the Catholic faith teach that continence no longer applies to those who wish to separate procreation from the sex act through NFP and chemical means. Continence also no longer applies from these modernist for those married men who believe, along with their wives, that they have a so called calling to Holy orders. This of course is refering to all those new Anglicans ministers who have joined the Catholic Church as priest and have retained their sexual life with their wife. This also applies to the nearly 19,000 deacons in the US who have not renounced their conjugal life with their wife. Finally this also applies to the great majority of Catholics who contracept with everyone’s acceptance.We are in this mess because most Catholics, some so called Trads included, have drunk the coolaid of NFP which pushes the agenda that the primary purpose and most important purpose of the conjugal is the sanctification of the couple and unity of the couple. How many have put their teaspoon of incense at this altar of the destruction of marriage when it comes to denying the indisolubility of marriage through turning a blind eye to the many questionable invalid annulments because of this false new definition and rejecting that the primary purpose of marriage is the procreation and education of children for God’s glory and that marriage is not primarily a couple’s tool for their own selfish needs.
Sexual perversion is a sure sign of demonic activity. Over 50% of NO priests are homosexual. The Head of the Vatican Bank is a well known homosexual. The Homosexual Mafia pulls a lot of strings in the Vatican.
Look at the secret lives of Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Malachy, you said:
Benedict (not Francis) will flee Rome in the company of 4 cardinals (yes 4 people)
Why did you say (yes 4 people)?
Are you referring to some prophecy I’m not aware of. Let me know, please.
Indeed. In “Catholic Prophecy” by Yves Dupont there is one Prophecy that mentions the pope fleeing Rom in the company of 4 cardinals. You can find it online if you search.
2017
I WILL NOT CEASE FROM MENTAL FIGHT
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“And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
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And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
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Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
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I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land.”
William Blake
Thanks. .will search!
It is not just the perverts that have destroyed the Church. Humanae Vitae was also an heretical document when it linked the primary purpose of sex (procreation) with the well being of the couple. This was contrary to the True Faith. Yet the modernist neo caths applauded Paul 6 and JP2s heretical theology of the body.
EverMindful, oh, that beautiful hymn, an inspiration to even read, let alone hear it well sung.
Alright then, I may as well wade into these waters, and offer my own prognostications. Talk about worthless!
The correction will be issued, causing all out war amongst the clergy, bishop against bishop, Cardinal against Cardinal, much more pointedly and directly than now. The NO church will of course support PF, the media will present Burke and anyone who supports that attempt as haters of PF and cast them as religious zealots, causing even more people to flood to PF to support him as the perceived “victim”. The already weak and cowardly bishops will remain so, and continue to misrepresent to their flock the reality that PF and minions have abandoned Catholicism for the One World Religion.
Even during this time most Catholics will remain asleep, uninterested in this situation and almost completely detached from it.
Rome is likely to experience a catastrophe, what it will look like I don’t know, but it’s probably huge and will impact many lives. Other parts of the world are likely to as well, various chastisements and punishments. Some will be spared. Jihadists are likely to play a part in this but natural disasters should be expected.
The church will enter formal schism, unavoidable after the correction and the digging in of PF and minions to refuse to recant and affirm the actual Catholic faith away from the apostasy they have been promoting. What happens here depends on the numbers, numbers of faithful in clergy and laypeople.
What happens to PF, my crystal ball goes dark. They have already made great inroads already, and it gets worse each day. I have to remind myself often that God is in control of His Church and will not abandon us.
2017 is going to be momentous, one way or another. God help us, have mercy on us, and may the Immaculate Heart of Mary be victorious.
What is my prediction? Here is an interesting comparison to the Book of Lamentations with both the life, passion and death of our Lord, Jesus and our present day of heresy, apostacy and desolation:
http://www.rosarygraphics.com/Lamentations.pdf
Is Lamentations prophetic in describing both?
What can we do while lamenting on the destruction and desolation we find in everything that is Holy and true?
Prayer and penance, penance, penance. Penance cannot be emphasized too much as it is the most important key in having God listen to the pleas of our prayers. After all, are we not in this crisis because of our sins and the sins of the whole world, as the Jews were in Jeremiah’s Book of Lamentations?
My predictions:
The Four Cardinals will issue the formal correction.
Pope Francis will excommunicate them and anyone who follows them, expelling them from Rome.
The Four go to an empty monastery in Portugal; other Bishops/Priests follow them.
The schism is now out in the open worldwide.
Burke and other Cardinals call for a conclave.
They elect a new Pope; Bishop Athanasius Schneider who takes the name of Pius XIII.
He calls on all the Bishops to join him in consecrating Russia to the IHM on a particular date, Oct. 13, 2017.
Meanwhile, Rome is attacked/bombed. Pope Francis and others attempt to leave. We now see the “vision” of the Bishop in white. etc.
Confusion, chaos reigns.
We experience the 3 days of darkness, relieved by the consecration.
I hope it happens soon. Lord, preserve us.
This is very good. It wraps up the “in Fatima the doctrine of the faith will always be preserved etc” thing very nicely.