The big news out of Rome these days concerns the letter of Benedict the Abdicator, which was presented to the world a few days ago as an endorsement for the recently published Theology of Pope Francis series of books.
The Vatican has since admitted that the image of the letter disseminated to the media was doctored in order to hide the fact that the Pope Contemplatus has not read the books, and does not plan to read them, ever.
While this is a stellar example of #FakeNews, in and of itself, it’s not really news at all as Rome has been in the business of peddling fakery for quite some time now.
Heck, it was less than sixty days ago that the Vatican PR machine was selling us a story about an impromptu wedding ceremony performed by Francis aboard Heretic One; only to discover that it was planned many months in advance.
For many readers of this space, the first example of Vatican fakery that may come to mind are the bald faced lies that were told about the Third Secret of Fatima in the year 2000.
That was a doozy to be sure, but the art of diabolical deception has been practiced in Rome for much longer than this.
To my mind, the first and most egregious Roman smoke and mirrors act, the one bit of #FakeNews that set the stage for all of the others emanating from the Holy See, is the claim that Vatican Council II is a genuine ecumenical council of the Holy Roman Catholic Church; one of equal (if not greater) standing among the twenty such councils that came before it.
The reality is, folks, Vatican II is not to be numbered among the ecumenical councils of the Church – because it contains dangerous errors, of course – but even more fundamentally than this, because it did not have the intention to define and bind.
If lack of intention is enough to invalidate a sacrament, then surely it is enough to invalidate a revolutionary gathering of bishops claiming to act in an ecumenical council, which by its very nature exists in order to define doctrine and bind the faithful.
The lack of intent in this case is what precluded the protection of the Holy Ghost and opened the way for the Council to err in the first place.
Parlaying the manufactured solemnity of the phony ecumenical council “Vatican II,” Rome used the occasion to “rehabilitate” a gaggle of theologians who were previously censured for, or suspected of, heresy – men like John Courtney Murray, Yves Congar, Marie-Dominique Chenu, Karl Rahner, Hans Kung, Edward Schillebeeckx, Henri de Lubac, Hans Urs von Balthasar; presenting them to the world as “experts,” as if they were among the greatest theological minds of the age.
Following the Council, the fakery would continue most notably with the claim that the Novus Ordo Missae is an authentic form of the one Roman rite that has been given to the faithful from the hand of Holy Mother Church herself, when, in fact, it came directly from the hands of sinful men in defiance of this same Holy Mother.
Even among persons that I respect, many find this nearly impossible to acknowledge. Of them, I simply ask:
Would Holy Mother Church present a liturgy to her children that contains heresy; that is, a rite that poisons their soul and leads them out of the one true faith?
The answer, of course, is a resounding no, and yet, it cannot be denied that the Roman Missal for the Novus Ordo Missae does indeed contain such poison. (Read HERE.)
With the ersatz Council and its manmade Mass swallowed hook, line and sinker by the overwhelming majority of self-identified Catholics, the scoundrels in Rome moved on to producing all manner of #FakeNews designed to bolster the illusion of Catholicity and further cement the loyalty of their gullible audience.
The Synod of Bishops comes to mind; an assembly designed for the express purpose of “facilitating agreement, at least on essential matters of doctrine;” instituted at a time when there were exactly no essential matters of doctrine in question. (see Apostolic Letter of Pope Paul VI, Apostolica Sollicitudo)
One also thinks of the spate of make-believe canonizations that have taken place, hailing the “heroic virtue” of people who would hardly have been recognized as Catholic just over half-a-century ago – people like Karol Wojtyla who prayed for John the Baptist to “protect Islam,” the glorified social worker Mother Teresa who eschewed the spiritual works of mercy, and the “good” Pope John who told tall tales about “a bolt of heavenly light” moving him to call the Council when, according to credible sources, he had discussed his intention to do so even before his election.
Coming now to the present day, the “so-called pontificate of Francis” (to quote dear Fr. Gruner once more) has been an exercise in fakery and illusion from day one; literally.
Recall Bergoglio’s first words from the loggia as “Francis.”
You know that the duty of the conclave was to give a bishop to Rome. It seems that my brother cardinals went almost to the end of the world to get him. But here we are.
Oh, how charming! He acknowledged that he is an outsider! And notice how he chose to refer to himself as ‘bishop of Rome’ as opposed to Holy Roman Pontiff!
Yes, indeed, and how utterly phony.
Bergoglio had apparently done his homework in preparation for the big day; research that seems to have included studying the greeting delivered by Karol Wojtyla on the day of his elevation when he said:
And now the most eminent cardinals have called a new bishop of Rome. They called him from a far-away country…
In the literary world, we call this plagiarism.
Moving on, the Vatican PR machine kicked into high gear, painting the Argentinian as a never-before-seen model of papal humility; its star witness being Francis himself as he posed for countless photo-ops before the seductive tones of the media’s clicking camera lenses.
Since then, reports of Curial employees who live in fear of the humble one are commonplace.
Let us not forget, however, that the stage was set for the Bergoglian propaganda operation by yet another audacious act of fakery – the so-called “resignation” of Benedict the Abdicator, who, according to no less an authority than his longtime and current personal secretary, Archbishop Ganswein, thereby sought to transform the Petrine Office by dividing its duties among two men.
At this, we have come full circle, and the bottom line is simple:
Those who have grown weary of #FakeNews and a #FakeChurch; desiring instead that which is authentic, real, and above all Catholic, must seek the voice of Holy Mother Church as she continues to speak in tradition – in the venerable ecumenical councils of the past, in the pre-conciliar magisterium, and in the Traditional Roman Rite.
Please help akaCatholic “keep it real.” Thank you in advance.
Bravo Louie! Thank you to Nicole Winfield for her AP article, “Vaticn doctors photo of Benedict’s praise for Francis”. How much will it take for the faithful to close their wallets and demand a return to Roman Catholicism by running to the nearest Roman Catholic priest ordained in the true Roman Catholic rite by a bishop consecrated to the same true sacrament of Holy Order?
Who exactly has separated themselves from the Barque of Peter? Well, I for one, believe it is Bergoglio. Yes, I believe that he already judged himself a pertinacious, notorious, material, heretical apostate. Too bad we do not have a least one cardinal who will say as much. Facts remain facts- and all the more so when those same facts get corroborated as Ms. Hilary White wrote yesterday on The Remnant website. The Second Vatican Council and the Novus Ordo all originated from the Modernist heresy. Bergoglio is now the quintessential ringleader with Benedict remaining all too silent. With his silence, Benedict gives his tacit approval- in my opinion. If Bergoglio has not lost the papacy on his own doubling down on all these heresies, then what has he lost besides his own soul?
God always remains a God of order and logic- not a God of disorder and illogical thoughts. For this reason, I hold fast to my logic and good Catholic catechesis that Bergoglio has, by his continued obstinate refusal to renounce his heretical views (and, despite the public Filial Correction and the Dubia) lost the papacy. I know, my own thoughts…not MY judgment on him, but HIS OWN judgment on himself. Bergoglio himself declares with non-verbal utterance that the Throne of Peter is vacant. How can anyone with a proper Catholic catechesis deny it any longer? Again, I ask, is there not ONE CARDINAL who will declare it?
Even if the letter is a fraud, it still does not change the fact that Benedict did absolutely nothing during his reign to rollback any of Vatican II or the horrendous, sacrilegious Novus Ordo. And, for good measure, he also appointed the very cardinals that elected Bergoglio. Fear of wolves? Now, that is perhaps the only openly honest thing Benedict said during his whole papacy. I am beyond disgust. At this point we, the laity, need to ask just who exactly is outside the Barque of Peter? Bergoglio, in my mind, already judged himself a pertinacious, notorious, material, heretical apostate. When will at least ONE CARDINAL come out and pronounce it so? These cowards make me sick to my stomach.
Please tell us where they are .
All the good priests I knew have or are dying off.
OR ,they have been forcibly put out to pasture by their Bishop.
Please do no point to SSPX, been there done that and besides there are no chapels where I live except one who hosted pervert Marshall Roberts for quite some time and even hat is way to far away.
Agreed…….what a pathetic bunch !
There is no way any NO cardinal will ever pronounce Bergolio a heretic since all of them have signed on to V2 and the NO. The squabbles inside the NO fake church are simply wrapped around who’s interpretation of V2 will prevail. The conservative faction (as in US politics too) is fighting a losing battle. It is only a matter of speed at which modernism is officially adopted. We cant say the Bergolio sect is more heretical than the Ratzinger sect. One drop of heresy is all it takes to make the batch lethal. Avoid the NO and all those who think graces are available to those who worship like protestant heretics.
So, how do we get a true Catholic, validly elected to the papacy? Well, as I have implied before, follow the saints. The saints who tried to evict a heretic from the papal throne were St. Bernard and St. Norbert. They tried to help Innocent II, the validly elected pope. He was validly elected because the rules followed at the conclave following Honorius II’s death were the rules chosen by Honorius. Innocent II was a weak leader but a good Catholic. The man that St. Bernard and St. Norbert were attempting to evict from the papal throne was a crypto-Jew who had committed blasphemy, Anacletus II. The conclave he called at which he was elected was illegal. He was popular in Italy. After he died and his designated successor abdicated, the Italian people eventually recognized Innocent II as pope. So how did all of this come about? Through force of arms. The cardinals for the most part took the side of the imposter pope. St. Bernard and St. Norbert lobbied Emperor Lothair for troops to evict the imposter pope. He brought troops to Rome, but not enough. Roger of Sicily was the military support of Anacletus II and eventually Lothair went after him while St. Bernard spent quality time trying to convince the Romans that they shouldn’t be supporting a heretic as pope. Guess who won that argument?
One more point. Should we be supporting our local parish, Catholic Charities, Catholic schools, etc.? I would hate to see these institutions fail because we have a pope who is a heretic. If we don’t support them, they will eith fall to ruin or be taken over by the New World Order which will use these churches, hospitals, schools, etc., for their own purposes. Better that we keep the institutions as well as is possible, and evict the pope with military force. I believe that can be done by Catholic Europeans, the V4, Poland, Hungary, Czechland and Slovakia.
Louie, you are truly on to something regarding intent. To wit:
“If lack of intention is enough to invalidate a sacrament, then surely it is enough to invalidate a revolutionary gathering of bishops claiming to act in an ecumenical council, which by its very nature exists in order to define doctrine and bind the faithful.
“The lack of intent in this case is what precluded the protection of the Holy Ghost and opened the way for the Council to err in the first place.”
In light of the revised English translation of the Novus Ordo Missae, in 2012 I did a thorough review and study of liturgical history, particularly focusing on the “changes” of the 1960s and 1970s and how those “changes” came about. One day reality hit me so hard I could no longer gloss it over: the liturgy that 99 percent of Catholics have regularly and only experienced since the First Sunday of Advent 1969 does not represent “changes” — albeit huge ones — to the Mass handed down by the Church from our Lord and His Apostles for 20 centuries. No, it is, in fact, by the very words of the composers, a NEW MASS. Therefore, it is a DIFFERENT MASS than the one handed down by Holy Mother Church for 20 centuries, and consistent in form from the time of Pope St. Pius V in 1570. The Novus Ordo is valid and licit. It was not in 1969 nor is it in 2018 NECESSARY for eternal salvation, because it is superfluous; the Church already had and still has what is aptly called the Mass of the Ages. In the Traditional Latin Mass, a Catholic gains access to the sacrifice of our Lord on Calvary and its holy fruit and that is what a person needs for eternal salvation.
From the time of that personal epiphany in 2012, I have believed the Church is living out Mark 13:22, as stated by our Lord: “For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, and they shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce (if it were possible) even the elect.”
Our Lady of Good Success, Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us. St. Joseph, Terror of Demons, pray for us.
Louie , as I have stated here before I spoke to a retired canon lawyer about lack of Proper Intention regarding the Sacrament of Holy Orders. We used to have that pounded into our heads regarding our First Holy Communions . Otherwise we would be invalidating the Sacrament and we know many men entering the seminaries were brought in as homosexuals or because they were homosexuals and communists.
that is a fact. The Canon lawyer took a deep breath and answered by saying it would seem the Vatican must redefine Proper Intention. I pointed this out to Ann Barnhardt who told me I was taking a Donatist stand. But she is a convert and does not understand i was talking about receiving the Sacrament of Ordination invalidly
and not the validity of receiving a Sacrament from a priest who was leading a sinful life. Personally I wonder if any sodomite is a valid priest only because of their Proper Intention for entering into Holy Orders.
I would love to hear your interpretation of the Donatist’s errors.
Hey if sodomites go into the priesthood to be with other men and garner respect or to destroy the Church as A von Hildebrand pointed out when she said in her note to me ,”…. only communist party HOMOSEXUALS took on the assignment according to Bella Dodd. “, then how can that be that they are doing hat the Church intends?
Great point wrt priests. Would the same apply to a candidate for the papacy? If the papal candidate is a heretic, freemason, homosexual, modernist, communist, intends to change Catholic doctrine, etc., and is elected in a conclave whose deliberations are forever kept secret, can he be considered a true pope? According to Salza and Siscoe, he can be.
…..and might I add Louie, that this is the precise comment that got me booted from posting on Voris’ site. i resume that STB Voris did not have the answer but at least Barnhardt gave it a shot , albeit in the dark.
Apparently she was not catechized Pre Vat Two wherein Proper Intention was really stressed for sacramental validity.
Well now, can he be if ipso facto excommunicants are doing the electing? Are their votes valid? Did the St Gallen Group do what the Church intends?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Gallen_Group
Amen!
They are liars if you read the Wikipedia article posted above and then listen to this…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7OW07u-pRI
The excommunicated characteristic of the Cardinals, by virtue of their own heresy, homosexuality, denial of the moral law, modernism, masonry, communism, etc., just adds to the invalid nature of the conclave. In the history of the church there has not been a series of conclaves like those of the 20th century. Oh, and by the way the canon law of 1917 lifted the eccleiastical punishment for simony. With the mandate for secrecy at the conclaves, simony could be taking place left and right at these conclaves and no one would ever find out. I am sure none of this is what the Catholic Church intends for a conclave .
and adding to this above …the Prelate speaking at Villanova U ( where my cousins son was poisoned with peanut oil illicitly used in the Eucharistic hosts which he is allergic to)………..who admits he is ,”… prejudiced in favor of Borgoglio ” just happens to be one and the same who was accused of sleeping with a promoting his favored seminarians.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1543744/posts
Gee, do ya think there is a connection to Borgoglio’s election?
Let’s not forget to mention that PR stunt – The Synod of the Family.
Where the conclusions were already pre-written and the Bishops had to manipulated in separate working groups cut off from each other so as to impose a ‘consensus’ conclusion that nobody discussed, and how Bergolio would draw out the ‘correct’ conclusions from the pre-ordained premises.
Can’t wait for the Synod of the Youth, where already the viral marketing going about is on being more welcoming of sodomy!
Louie and friends. I am asking for prayers for a super Lady whose research and writing have led her to uncovering such filth in what many call the church which is not the Church that Our Beloved Lord Jesus would recognize as His own.
This is difficult work as I am sure Louie himself knows . It tends to break your heart especially if you grew up in the Church that was…….His Church.
If you are a mother and a friend to those mothers whose children have fallen victim to clerical sexual abuse or cults ,or priests and seminarians call you to tell you what they have endured ,it is hard to get all of it out of your mind and heart when you pray asking the Lord to take control of it all . The sadness and justifiable anger remains. Please remember to pray for all those , including the author of this site , who want Catholics to recognize the TRUTH and are working , as Bl Emmerick advised us to “Pray the Church of Darkness leaves Rome”.
People do need to recognize what the Church of Darkness is first.Then they must pray and pray hard.
Dear Mary Podlesak–I think you answered your own question about supporting Catholic parishes and institutions. Have they already been taken over by the New World Order? Let us not forget that these institutions, most of which were founded many years by good holy Catholics, are now under the control of Modernist Rome whose agenda is not the original intent. Mother Frances Cabrini, in her 67 years on this earth, founded 67 Catholic institutions which served the poor and downtrodden while she herself was very weak and ill. You bring up a very good question regarding support when we are justified in our mistrust. I wish I had a good answer for you. For myself, I would not support diocesan parishes or schools, but if I know of a Catholic hospital, orphanage etc. whose work I can admire, I would be willing to consider donating. An heretical Pope should be evicted by the Princes of the Church whose role is the safeguard the Deposit of Faith. Who among them is worthy of this noble endeavor?
Conclaves are not sacraments. They have no special protection, charism, or requirements other then the consent of the man elected by any method whatsoever. A Pope, once dead, cannot bind electors as to the manner in which his successor is elected.
You must be joking. You don’t really believe there are any Catholic orphanages in the United States, do you? Get with the times, man.
And really, are there any truly Catholic hospitals left? I believe they all dispense birth control, the morning after pill and do sterilizations. Lest they lose Federal funding. Methinks these readers who think there are Catholic hospitals and orphanages are living under a rock.
The pope of the Middle Ages, whose name I don’t remember, said the Church had two swords, based on the words of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. This was taken to mean, roughly, that there are two means through which Christ can act, that is, Christ the King. These two means are the Church and The State. Your focus and the universal focus of Catholics everywhere has been with actions taken by the Church to overcome the present crisis of a heretical pope. As I have, and will continue to state, the princes of the Church have not always asserted the best interests of church. Besides the example of St. Bernard and St. Norbert invoking the aid of secular authorities, is the example of Emperor Sigismund, another emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. At the time in the early 1400’s there were three popes in the Church. Bishops had added to the crisis when they called an illegal council, the Council of Pisa, and elected a third pope, Alexander V, and attempted to tell the two sitting popes, that they were deposed. That didn’t work. So the desperate clerics called in the heavy guns, literally, in the person of Emperor Sigismund, and asked him to call a council. Well, he wasn’t pope either, so he had to get the permission of one of the popes. Alexander V was succeeded by Pope John XXIII (I’m not kidding) and so it was that Pope John XXIII called the Council of Constance. Without the financial, military and diplomatic support of Emperor Sigismund we would have 25 popes by now. The Cardinals are under the thumb of the pope and in the case of Anacletus II, they were literally paid off by the pope for the office of the papacy. It is from the expierence of Anacletus II that simony was made a crime in the Church, both morally and civilly, that included punishments. The cardinals are NOT going to solve this problem. Christ the King needs His other sword and that sword has to come from the State.
This is lovely idea but don’t you think that it is just extraordinarily unrealistic. I am pretty much anticipating the Apocalypse, and that’s after I decided to look at this optimistically.
Are there any genuinely Catholic schools , colleges and universities left either ? Maybe some small independents but usually a cult like OD or RC have control of those. Or, like in the case of Ave Maria, a layman with lots of money whose ideology is something quite different.
Mary that was the time when European nations were Catholic and had Catholic Kings and Emperors who had a vote for a Pope.
Unless there is a general Divine Chastisement and what is left is ruled by Catholics there is no chance of that again.
Look back farther into the History of the Church prior to the so called Great Schism which was more about politics greed and power than really about the Papacy.
It’s true there are no more Catholic confessional states. But there still exist states with Catholics who know the difference between a heretic and a Catholic. Most of those people who have some power are in the former Eastern Europe or the area of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Just because there were abuses by states in the past does not mitigate our obligation to act to restore integrity to the Vatican. We will be judged on our efforts, as pitifully inadequate as they may be, to resolve this crisis of the papacy.
Akita-please forgive my moment of madness. Of course, there is nothing truly Catholic under the control of the N.O. V2 “fake” church. Blame it on “wishful thinking”. The diabolical destruction is complete.
There are no Catholic “orphanages” anywhere in the USA and the Catholic hospitals are CINO. There ARE good Catholic GRAMMAR schools. Support those because not every Catholic family can homeschool.
Save your money. Unless its SSPX or an independent trad school, your children will be infected with modernism.
Hello Tom A,
Louie is getting closer to the hard Truth. Because so called VCII teaches heresy, the utter reality is, as being cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and under the same respect– as the law of non-contradiction dictates, as given us by the Angelic Doctor– VCII does not as it cannot, come from the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. It is an utter absurdity to suggest that it does, which requires the acceptance of willful blindness, as the errors of VCII exist, as the heresy, in the objective realm of reality. To suggest that heresy can be promoted as the teaching of the One true Church is to blaspheme Almighty God, calling His Beloved Son a liar, while it is to deny the charism of Ecclesiastical infallibility when the true Holy Roman Pontiff is teaching in union with his true Bishops. The so called “Second Vatican Council” cannot both be an authentic Ecumenical Council of the Holy Catholic Church and in respect to its authenticity it CANNOT teach heresy, and at the same time, NOT BE an authentic Ecumenical Council of the Holy Catholic Church as it indeed DOES teach heresy. Perhaps the most egregious example of heresy is Lumen Gentium 16, where VCII, the council of Lucifer’s church of the Antichrist, denies the very Triune Personhood of Almighty God. No small error. What this means of course, by virtue of consistent, right reasoning, is that Ratzinger is a priest and was never a bishop and Bergoglio is Mr. Jorge Bergoglio, as Ratzinger was “consecrated” in 1977 by the false church of the Antichrist, as was Bergoglio “ordained” by that same false church in December of 1969. As Ratzinger is 90 years old and not a true bishop, it’s almost certain that we have none left, as a church which teaches heresy simply CANNOT be the Catholic Church which Christ our Lord established. It is the Antichurch of the Antichrist which “consecrated” Ratzinger and “ordained” Bergoglio. This is something that a 12 year old would understand, who was receiving God’s intellective Light. God bless and keep you. In caritas.
I agree. A few solid grammar schools may be left. Catholic High Schools are dens of iniquity. Youth are corrupted there.
Mary you stated. “Should we be supporting our local parish, Catholic Charities, Catholic schools, etc.? I would hate to see these institutions fail because we have a pope who is a heretic. If we don’t support them, they will eith fall to ruin or be taken over by the New World Order which will use these churches, hospitals, schools, etc., for their own purposes”
Believe me they have already failed miserably.The schools have failed and done away with Catholic text book publishers years ago once they started taking Fed Monies and buying up used public school textbooks
Catholic charities ? Well let’s see….
http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/cchd/
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/us-catholic-bishops-received-over-95-million-from-us-taxpayers-in-2016-for-refugee-migrant-care/
The Church in the US and the amoral State are one.
All right, all right, I get it they are corrupt, they are corrupting. You want your money to be used for the advancement of Catholicism, not the Democratic Party’s agenda, not Soros funded projects, not RINO or New World Order shenanigans. St. Francis of Assisi saw a Church in ruins in need of rebuilding and set about the task of rebuilding that church by himself (with Dad’s money). Once the heretic freemason is evicted from the Vatican, a true Catholic pope can be elected. With honest intentions to build up the Body of Christ, then the real work will begin to repair the damage done by 100 years of neglect and malicious destruction.
Well, Tom A, you may be right that a dead pope, is not going to come out of the grave, throttle the Cardinal electors engaging in conspiracies, simony, devil worship, slander, etc. Is that what you meant by a pope not binding the electors? Well according to the Catholic Encyclopedia of the Knights of Columbus from 1910 or so, under the entry of Conclave, there is a discussion of any number of rules which govern these conclaves. During the conclave various meetings of Cardinals are held. The encyclopedia says, “In the first of these congregations (meetings) the various constitutions which govern the conclave are read and the cardinals take an oath to observe them.”
The conclave entry then goes on to say, “It may be noted at once, with Wernz, that a papal election held outside of a properly organized conclave is canonically null and void.” Got that Tom A? A conclave that doesn’t follow the rules is null and void. Oh, and by way, Fr. Wernz, have you heard me speak of him? He was the Superior General of the Jesuits. He literally wrote the book on the operation of the papacy and of conclaves. He was the black pope. He died on August 19, 1914 , not 24 hours before Pius X died.
I’ll leave you with one final quote from the Conclave entry: “Though since Urban VI (1378-80) none but a cardinal has been elected pope, no law reserves to the cardinals alone this right. Strictly speaking, any male Christian who has reached the age of reason can be chosen, not, however, a heretic, schismatic, or a notorious simonist. Since 14 January 1505 (Julius II, “Cum tam divino”) a simoniaical election is canonically invalid, as being a true and indisputable act of heresy.(Wernz, “Jus Decret”,II).
Y’all are correct to jump on utahagen’s idea. While we’re at it, there a Church I once attended where a statue of Mary looked a little too much like she maybe had makeup on and her robes were a bit too tight and the statue of St. Joseph was maybe slightly overweight. Let’s burn this blasphemous house of Satan to the ground.
Here on Planet Earth we know that something doesn’t have to be perfect in order to be far better than the alternative and therefore worthy of support. Y’all are very enthusiastic about tearing things down. But nothing, zip, zilch about what to support. Y’all do realize that, divinely protected or not, us Catholics have to do our part to keep the Church alive, right? (This attitude, by the way, is why many pastors don’t want a Latin Mass at their Church. They’re not heretics. They just don’t need this kind of nonstop kvetching in their lives.)
Support your local Catholic school and stop helping to destroy the Church.
Mary, “A conclave that doesn’t follow the rules is null and void.” Well that is Fr Wernz’s opinion. There is no Divine prescription for the election and the conclave claims no Divine assistance. Only once a candidate accept the office does the Divine protection manifest itself. The only thing that can invalidate an election is matter. Is the man a Catholic or not. This was taught authoritatively by Pope Paul IV. Conclaves can be a defined series of ballots or a it can be settled with coin tosses. The method simply doesnt matter. Open conclaves or secret conclaves are irrelevant. Again the only thing of importance is that the man is a Catholic. The preponderance of evidence available to the general public objectively shows that the last claimant to the Papacy that actually taught the Catholic faith was Pius XII. Since then, all the claimants have publically taught a new religion, thereby publically announcing and declaring themselves as heretics and forbidden by Divine Law from being a Vicar of Christ.
“Support your local Catholic school and stop helping to destroy the Church.”
One huge Blunder , indeed !
Why support the promotion of heresies?
“The reality is, folks, Vatican II is not to be numbered among the ecumenical councils of the Church – because it contains dangerous errors, of course – but even more fundamentally than this, because it did not have the intention to define and bind.”
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The intention to define a doctrine has never been considered a condition for a general council. St. Robert lists 6 reasons that a general council can be called.
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1) To condemn a new heresy
2) To resolve the schism when there are multiple papal claimants,
3) Resistance to a common enemy of the entire Church.
4) To depose a heretical pope or to warn a pope who is incorrigible in morals
5) To resolve doubts about a papal election.
6) The last reason is the general reformation of abuses and vices that have crept into the Church.
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The intention to define only involves the first condition, and possibly the sixth. Let us not add to the confusion in the Church by spreading novelties about what is required for a legitimate general council.
“Personally I wonder if any sodomite is a valid priest only because of their Proper Intention for entering into Holy Orders.”
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The necessary intention is on the part of the one ordaining, not on the one being ordained.
No V2 was not a true Council because it was never ratified by a true Pope. It is that simple. Councils are simply historical events until a true Pope declares it as his teaching. There are no rules per se as to why a council is called. St Robert merely offered his theological opinion.
Right, and when the unsupported schools close, the buildings are sold, what then? Do you have any idea how much it costs to build a school building from scratch or renovate an existing structure to code? Letting Catholic schools fold in the real world means they will never reopen. Please remember that however much we may have issues with it, we are to work to fix the Catholic Church; it is plain wrong to urge people to destroy it.
“It is better to send your children to a public school where they could fight for their faith than a Catholic school where they will lose their faith.”–Bishop Sheen
I thought we were talking about souls–not buildings. The N.O. V2church would sell these building to pagan religions before they would consider selling to a Priestly Traditional Society. I live in an area where “catholic” school are constantly being closed. I don’t consider it a great loss when I think of the prophetic words of Bishop Sheen.
my2cents – False. Give me a single example where the Catholic Church sold a school building to a pagan religion when a Trad group tried to buy it. There’s not enough demand for Latin Mass or Trad schools in the areas where these schools are closing to sustain Trad parishes or they would be there.
For Blunderbuss-
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/from_church_to_mosque_syracuse_islamic_group_cuts_crosses_tries_to_connect_to_ne.html
This is only one example. The SSPX is very active in Syracuse. They were blocked from purchasing any N.O. church properties. I know this as fact.
Listen, Son of Satan, to quote St. Polycarp, your judgment and your opinion, as well as that of Novus Ordo Watch, not to mention that of those great theologians, 33rd degree mason Salza and Siscoe, doesn’t amount to half a vote at a conclave scrutiny. Fr. Wernz has a heck of a lot more moral and theological authority than you have. I stand by his judgments, not yours. But he would also have had the support of the Pope. In his case it was Pope Pius X. The man wrote the definitive text on the papacy, “Jus Ducret”. He had the unwavering support of Pius X.
As you have cleverly pointed out, a pope receives divine assistance only with election, but he also receives jurisdiction. Jurisdiction according to the Catholic encyclopedia of Stravinskas, is synonymous with the power of governance in the church. He goes on to say, “Only the Pope has the fullness of jurisdiction over the entire Church.” If the words of Jesus have any meaning with regard to the papacy, then the when Jesus says, in Matthew 16:19: “And I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earh, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
If Pope Paul IV was a true pope and had jurisdiction, then so did Julius II with regard to simony, and so did all succeeding popes who changed conclave rules and adjusted them to times and circumstances. That’s what jurisdiction is all about – the authority to bind and loose on earth and have it recognized by God Himself. The rules for the next conclave are set by the reigning pope, not by Tom A, Salza, Siscoe Skopjec, Horvat, Sedevacantists or Sarah. By the pope only are these rules set, but only if the pope is validly elected. Whether Pius XII taught the Catholic faith and taught it well, is irrelevant. He was a heretic freemason infiltrator before his election, that is, he was NOT a Catholic. If he was NOT a Catholic he wasn’t validly elected PERIOD I don’t care if he was nice to his dog and saved a million people during WWII. By electing someone who clearly had masonic associations, and by doing so in perpetual post-conclave secrecy which was NEVER approved by any previous papal legislation, the Cardinal electors in 1939 invalidated the election of Eugenio Pacelli to the papacy. It was Null and Void.
Mary, a Pope, once dead cannot bind anyone in matters other than faith or morals. The Papacy is an absolute Monarchy. There is no constitution that must be followed. The only thing that prevents a conclave from doing whatever it chooses is custom, tradition, and respect for the dead Popes wishes. They are under no obligation to follow the law since during the interregnum there is no lawgiver. Do you seriously think a Pope, once elected, will punish his electors for not following the conclave rules of the previous Pope? Even if the man chosen bribed everyone in the room, as long as he isnt a heretic, he will be Pope. The fact that men sinfully choose a Pope does not invalidate the election.
It depends on the Rite used to ordain. The “intention” manifests itself in the words and prayers of the Rite. There simply is no way to know anothers interior intentions. That is why the Church took great care with Her Rites. The modernists know that which is why they had to make all the Rites ambigious.
Blunder, the sooner the NO V2 sect becomes extinct the better. No one who professes the Catholic faith should give a penny to any NO enterprise. Let the facade crumble.
Tom A: Do you seriously think a Pope, once elected, will punish his electors for not following the conclave rules of the previous Pope? Even if the man chosen bribed everyone in the room, as long as he isnt a heretic, he will be Pope. The fact that men sinfully choose a Pope does not invalidate the election.
May C.: As I said before no pope is going to come back from the dead to throttle the Cardinal electors, BUT, saints like Bernard and Norbert can complain to proper authorities, namely a state actor, concerning simony, collusion, outsiders conspiring to choose a particular cardinal, etc. at conclave. Just because the a**holes can get away with murder, doesn’t make it right nor does it mean we have an obligation to recognize the results. That, in fact is what you are implying. Oh well, if illegality was involved in the election, tough S***, we have to accept the results, even if criminals brought about the results. Ludicrous!!
@my2cents – Nothing in the press or from the SSPX about that, but if you’re saying you have proof that nobody else has, I guess the discussion ends there. I’ll believe that when I see something official, and also can’t see why the SSPX would try to open churches in majority-Muslim areas.
@Tom A – re: you remark about “the Vatican 2 sect becoming extinct” – you mean to seriously tell me that the 1.1B+ people who are members of what everyone calls the Catholic Church are a sect, that you want this institution to disintegrate, and that the Catholic Church consists of…what? You, others who do not attend Mass anymore, and Louie Verrecchio? And that’s it?
Please come back to the Faith.
I have wondered if JPII took a fake bullet?
Did I really say that?
Just wondering!
Could homosexuality be an impediment to ordination, the same way impotence is an impediment to marriage? Help me with this.
Personally, I wonder if any sodomite is a valid priest because of his homosexuality. Couldn’t that be an impediment to ordination the same way impotence is an impediment to marriage? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
First of all Happy St Patrick’s Day to all!
“It depends on the Rite used to ordain. The “intention” manifests itself in the words and prayers of the Rite. There simply is no way to know another’s interior intentions. That is why the Church took great care with Her Rites. ”
Yes, it seems that many here believe that intention with respect to the validity of sacraments is subjective. We can never know for sure what the internal intent is of any person who performs a sacrament and, as a result, we could never know whether any sacrament was valid.
An atheist can baptize a baby as long as he intends to do what the Church does. How does he do that? He uses correct form and matter. In other words, he uses a Catholic Rite. The issue post Vatican II is not about the intent, it is about the form of the Paul VI rites. The Modernists have changed them into non-Catholic rites. At best they are doubtful.
cgib-I have often thought the same thing. This assassination attempt on May 13 (notice the date) cemented JP2’s connection with the Fatima secret. Very convenient way to put Fatima to rest. Anything could be faked. Remember what we are dealing with here.
I wholeheartedly agree, my2cents. The Vatican has been playing us for fools for 100 years with regard to the papacy and Fatima. If, as I believe the Vatican has been run by masons for these 104 years, it wouldn’t be surprising if in the 1980’s with JPII’s election they were desperate for a way to shut the Fatimaistas up. So they conspired to produce an incident, a shooter and a plausible explanation.
If any pope declared homosexual acts as being equivalent to heresy, or even the desire to commit homosexual acts, a form of heresy, then yes homosexuality would most certainly be an impediment to ordination. Some research is in order here. Some of the popes spoke out on this. Find out what they had to say.
That sword will come in the person of the King of France who has been prophesied about for centuries. I believe that he will then place the good pope on the thrown of Saint Peter. If you read the Bretonne mystic Marie Julie Jahenny, then that day is fast approaching. He will take the name Henry V and is of the line of Louis XVI.
They wont become extinct….just like the muslims (who outnumber the novus ordo adherents) wont become extinct. What’s wrong with hoping that either group would become extinct though? Im not dependent on 1.1 billion flower-children to know that Im Catholic.
Blunder–You are confusing the Faith with the Church. Going back to a church that has lost the faith makes no sense.
Dear Lake Erie, There is no such thing as the objective condition of “homosexuality”. That is one of the many lies promulgated by the self-appointed authorities who place themselves in opposition to God and to the immutable nature of man as given us by God. One needs to be specific about what one is referring to. For example, a woman is a woman everywhere and for all time – a fact objectively knowable and verifiable – and cannot be ordained a priest of the Church regardless of any appearances otherwise.
The Father of Lies rules the outward institutions of the Church. Great Apostasy. Lord, have mercy upon us.
Blunder, I have not left the faith as practiced by my forefathers. I challenge you to demonstrate to me and all the readers here how the NO and V2 are in continuity with what the Church taught and practiced prior to the disasters on the 1960s. My journey to the sede position began when I tried to defend the NO sect as the Church established by Christ.
Can’t reply on mobile any further down the chain, so this is @rich, @my2cents and @Tom A even though it looks like a reply to myself:
What you’re saying is like #notmypresident. Declaring it – however loudly – doesn’t make it so.
Do you really believe that you can pick a time in history, compare today’s Church to that time, and decide that they don’t match and that you’re the last true Catholic and all other 1.1B+ are not? OK, super. The last Latin Mass I attended had zero working-class Jews, had zero Aramaic or Hebrew, and was in a strange building instead of some guy’s house in Jerusalem. People were recently bathed and spoke English, a strange tongue from the barbaric North, and the Mass itself was conducted in Latin, the language of the oppressive Romans. The priest wore a silky, effeminate dress instead of the rough everyday cloth of a good Christian.
I’ve simply chosen to stop the clock in 34AD instead of 1950, which you’ve chosen. You cannot say your time was better or more authentically Catholic than mine. In fact, in 34AD there was zero Modernism, unlike in 1950.
Please come back to the Church or at least think about it. It’s ironic that you left and also insist that “outside the Church there is no salvation” literally applies everywhere, even to good Jews and Protestants. If God is going to send them to hell for following the faiths in which they were raised despite them leading good lives, what do yo think is going to happen to you?
Blunder, its obvious you know nothing about the Catholic faith outside of what you were taught by the NO pretenders. So using NO and V2 teachings, can you please tell us why we must be in your Catholic church if good jews and muslims can be saved by being good. We trads are simply seeking God and trying to be good. Isnt that all the NO V2 sect asks us to do?
Thank you everyone: Louie, my2cents, Sweep, and all the good people here. I agree with you 100% that the present “catholic” Church is heretical and false and the leaders are indeed ravening wolves intent on destroying the one, true, holy and apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ.
However, no-one mentions how cradle Catholics educated [pre-1962] and converts who love their Faith cope with daily /weekly Mass?
Some say don’t attend the fake NO Mass – others say ‘okay, it’s better than nothing!’
I find I have a mental block about deliberately missing Mass. We have lots of great basic truths here but no firm guidelines to help us make that decision.
The one and only thing that would push me out is the day they desecrate the Consecration of the Mass to please the one world religion rabble. I don’t that is very far off.
I’d appreciate any guides on this subject alone. The rest of your posts are tremendously heartening and factual. God bless all here.