My post dated March 14 on Bishop Williamson’s comments concerning Russia’s alleged “return to God” sparked precisely the reaction I had expected from certain quarters (not just here, but via social media and private correspondence).
No need to recap those reactions here; suffice it to say that some folks find it very difficult to even consider that someone they admire may have something wrong; even, it seems, if that means putting more stock in the words of men than in the warnings issued by Our Lady.
In the present case, we have a choice to make and it’s a simple one:
We can choose to believe what Our Lady said about Russia, or we can choose to believe that this nation is somehow returning to God in spite of the popes’ failure to do as she asked. It’s one or the other, folks; it’s not both.
Nothing Our Lady said even remotely suggests that unconverted Russia will draw ever nearer to God on its own, with only the aid of schismatic Orthodox leaders, even as it inches closer and closer to facilitating the “annihilation of nations” of which she warned.
In any case, I was alerted to Bishop Williamson’s unfortunate comment by my friend and akaCatholic contributor Cornelia Ferreira, who after reading yesterday’s post suggested that it may be useful to recall readers’ attention to her article of October 2017.
Here are some noteworthy excerpts:
Almost from the start, Christianity in Russia was of the schismatic variety, and the country has persecuted Catholicism all through the centuries, right down to this day…
Both President Putin and his right-hand man Patriarch Kirill (a billionaire oligarch), are KGB men. And Putin, who is busy resurrecting the KGB and its secret police under new names, himself has stated, “There is no such thing as a former KGB man.” …
On his return from Russia, the Cardinal [Parolin] reported that the “main point” he had made in his talk with Putin was “the desire to transmit the important role Russia has to play in promoting peace.”
He told the Vatican media, “Russia … has an important role to play … in the world. Therefore, it has a particular responsibility regarding peace: both the country and its leaders have a great responsibility to build peace….”
This is completely upside-down! Our Lady put the responsibility for world peace in the hands of the Pope and Catholic bishops – but the Vatican, instead, tells Russia that Russia is responsible for peace. Talk of passing the buck…
Please do take Mrs. Ferreira up on her suggestion by reading (or rereading as the case may be) her excellent article in full.
The bottom line here isn’t complicated: God will indeed bring “Holy Russia” back to Himself, but there is only one way that is going to happen, and that is in response to the consecration of that nation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
NB: The Evil One is more than clever enough to commingle good with evil; in fact, that is his modus operandi.
As such, don’t be fooled by whatever good we may see coming out of Russia as this in no way suggests that a return to God is underway, much less does it alter the course of events spelled out by Our Lady as told by Sr. Lucia to Fr. Fuentes:
“She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation.”
“We can choose to believe what Our Lady said about Russia, or we can choose to believe that this nation is somehow returning to God in spite of the popes’ failure to do as she asked. It’s one or the other, folks; it’s not both.”
Another option, is that the various Rosary Crusades for the Consecration of Russia and the prayers and sacrifices of Fr. Gruner and others have made, granted some graces for the Russian people to lean back to God and have devotion to Our Lady, although they will not be able to bring about Peace without Our Lady’s Consecration, yet they are being disposed to the future graces that will come.
So it is true “Nothing Our Lady said even remotely suggests that unconverted Russia will draw ever nearer to God on its own, with only the aid of schismatic Orthodox leaders,” which would mean that the “aid” which is happing is from behind the scene: prayers from Catholics not from “schismatic Orthodox leaders”
Some attribute the degeneration of Western society to the Zionists, who dominate every institution in the Western world, some to the Russian Communists. It is not one or the other. Zionism and Communism are the same movement. The terms are interchangeable. The question is, are the Zionists still using Russia to accomplish their aims, namely to set up their worldwide Messianic kingdom?
This is a very thoughtful and intelligent reply, which proves that you can be extremely devoted to Fatima, still maintain a close connection with the reality we see around us, and not get involved in conspiracy theories that would involve tens, if not hundreds of millions of people somehow being coordinated in attacking the Church, along with every secular ruler and Catholic Church official. I was very glad to read such a rational response. Well done.
Unfortunately, the next comment from Oultrejourdain takes a rather different approach – blaming the Jews, who apparently are literally responsible for the “degeneration of Western society” and “dominate every institution in the Western world.” This opinion is shared by many. They go by the name “ISIS”, wave black flags with Arabic writing and behead people. Apparently one of them is now commenting on a Traditonalist Catholic blog.
Oh, Russia is doing so much better–after the mini-consecration world peace is just oozing out of them.
There is a difference between a Zionist and a Jew. We’re not talking about the kosher butcher down the street. There is also a difference between a regular Catholic priest and a Jesuit collaborating with the enemies of Christ to destroy the Church from within. It’s the same principle. We’re not Antisemites, we’re just not naive fools–or people pretending to be blissfully ignorant of what’s really going on.
I agree with Cornelia Ferreira totally. Putin is a fox and is not to be trusted just as the vast majority of American politicians are not to be trusted. Anyone that stays current with world events knows that a conflict is coming with Russia. It is only a matter of time. Indeed, Russia will be the instrument that will punish the world, just as Our Lady said.
I don’t know any tradutional person who believes Russia has converted. That’s not the point of observing what we see going on in the world today. Fact of the matter is the powers that be in the West have had Russia in the crosshairs since Putin threw a wrench into their plans for a Syrian invasion a few years back.
Russia may very will be used by Our Lord to chastise the world, but it may well be because they are defending themselves and are forced to act by our own decadent evil leaders who appear hell bent on launching ww3 with blatant lies and disinformation.
The latest false accusation against them is just one in a long line of them. Never with a shred of evidence. The Chastisement approacheth.
So Cornelia Ferreira considers herself an expert on everything Russian. Why doesn’t she just contact Bp. Williamson himself and ask him to clarify a few things? He would very likely write back to her, or even talk to her on the phone.
She has some strong opinions about Putin. Anything that goes against her views regarding Putin and Russia is suspect. Her opinion is just her opinion. She is allowed that, but then so is Bishop Williamson. She should contact the bishop.
Conference by Bp. Fellay, Feb. 3, 2018
Is it a dogma that there will be Popes til the end of the world?
As I recall ,another Melanie surname Calvat , reported Our Lady told her and Maximim at LaSalette , that Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist.
Sorry Melanie ,I thought he last name was Calvat.
Sorry again , it appears Melanie was called by both surnames. For those who doubt the LaSalette Prophecy here is something more regarding the Cure deArs and LaSalette…..
…just as the majority of Bishops and Cardinals are not to be trusted.
I think private revelation is very important but at this point in time, I’d like to know about Church dogma. +Fellay stressed that there are 2 senses of the word “heresy” and that when he signed a filial correction he meant heresy in the sense of, “something which is leading into an error against the faith.” So, he is indicating that we should follow Bergoglio and that even though he officially made “something which is leading into an error against the faith,” part of the authoritative Magisterium, he was only referencing what Bishops had written and therefore we did not have to adhere to it with a religious assent. I’d like to know if, “Its a dogma that there will be Popes til the end of the world,” is accurate, since +Fellay sometimes uses an obscure sense of a word. I’ve seen it said that the perpetuity of primacy means that each & every Pope has the very same authority over the Church as St. Peter and not that there will never be an interregnum. Does anyone know of a source for this dogma that +Fellay refers to? It seems key to our current situation in the Church.
I think I am misunderstanding your question
” I’ve seen it said that the perpetuity of primacy means that each & every Pope has the very same authority over the Church as St. Peter and not that there will never be an interregnum.”
This makes no sense as though something else were missing here.
What about all the historical antipopes ?
Could this statement you ask be alluding to some Church teaching that there will always be a pope?
Perhaps what you read suggests that the infallible statements of all lawful Popes preceding a period of interregnum still stand as valid Church teaching?
“The rules governing the interregnum are matters of church law, not dogma.”
1268-1271, there was one interregnum that lasted for three years because of Cardinals squabbling.
Melanie, IMHO Apocalypse 18 refers to an anti pope or even the antichrist in the Chair of Peter. My Douhay Rheims Bible even comments that many believe the Catholic Church is referred to in this passage. The commentaries do not refute the possibility.
I’m sorry Sweep, my question is regarding something Bishop Fellay mentions in his conference, for which Alphonsus Jr provided a link. Bishop Fellay says, “Its a dogma that there will be Popes til the end of the world.” I’m just wondering if that is quite precisely Church dogma or if there is some room for discussion on that.
Sorry my mistake.
That sounds to me like it refers to Jesus Words ,”I will be with you till the end of time.”
While I respect the authority of the Papacy , the Pope is a human being and Our Lords rep on earth. Perhaps one could question the fact that our Lord warned about a Great Deception also, to fool the elect if it were possible. Certainly the Papacy could be a candidate for that too?
IMO, if the man claiming to be Pope is an anti pope or an antichrist than that man is not actually the Pope. It may seem like a matter of semantics but I think that it’s important to know because Catholics are obligated to follow the Pope but obviously we are NOT supposed to follow the antichrist. Now if we followed an anti pope unknowingly maybe not as big a problem? But an antipope that teaches a different faith than that of Catholics seems like a big problem to me.
Speaking Ex Cathedra is infallible but personally I was nauseated when Pope JP2 kissed the Koran despite all the excuses. His Assisi stunt turned me off also. He was a Public Relations campaign Pope. It was Regnum Christi and the Legion of Christ that whipped their adherents into a frenzy on his trips . They coined the shouted mantra ,”JP2 we love you !”
Obviously something similar in PR is failing with the present Pope. But then , now we are all aware of the failures of even Pope JP2 to sweep out the filth…..
Yes! This is the difference between the anti-popes… say …of the Great Western Schism and the Vatican II anti-popes. All of the former actually professed the Catholic Faith whereas the latter do not. I actually don’t call the latter “anti-popes”. I call them false popes.
I have never heard of any Pope that taught what Bp Fellay implies. But the SSPX has a habit of adopting their own magesterium over the magesterium of the man they claim is Christ’s Vicar.
Bp Williamson is a confused soul. He labors under a contradiction that something can two things at the same time.
Actually, Russia has already spread their errors long time ago, and in that sense it has already become the “instrument that will punish the world”.
Communism in a form of slavery of very low wages, does it not sound familiar in many countries including Canada and U.S.? Destroying nations -what else is the massive abortion, which is now as widespread throughout the “Western” world as it is in Russia?
As for trusting in politicians, that would be a great folly, be it in the “east” or “west”. The last trustworthy politician died in 1696 (king Sobieski)
I think that we often confuse declarations of a single man with a teaching of an institute.
“Bp. Fellay implies…”, please! It seems as if some people preferred having no Mass rather than having one with FSSPX. Or, for some people discussing here, is throwing dung on the last priests in the Universe who still serve TLM such a noble thing?
Blunder, as your name implies, because you routinely prove you do not know what you’re talking about, please get it through your head that to be critical of Zionism is not the same as being an anti-Semite.
Or are you going to say that numerous Jews, including an entire group called ‘Jews Against Zionism’ as well as many saints and Popes are members of ISIS too?
But we all know why you’re doing this. It’s to give yourself a moral high ground you do not possess so that you can pretend to look down on Trads who actually know the Catholic faith unlike you, who earlier made the blunder of siding with the NeoCath heresies that the Jews still possess their old Covenant and do not need to convert to the Catholic Faith in order to be saved.
If you actually believe in God, Blunder, then cease bearing false witness against your neighbours, particularly your nonsense comparisons to ISIS, using egregious exaggeration in order to poison the well via straw-men. Which the Pharisees loved to do by associating Christ with sinners.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, then please learn now what your parents didn’t teach you and maintain silence rather than open your mouth and prove your ignorance.
Oh for Pete’s sake…
Folks, please travel back in time and recall another familiar era, where once upon a time the mainstream media and western governments were telling us that Mr. Saddam Hussein had nothing better to do than to mail letters laced with Anthrax to war-protesters trying to stop the U.S. from going to war with him, and using an obvious formula that was -LOL- only possessed by him… like a Dr. Evil signature left on a calling card as Sadam twirled his moustache with a look of glee…
Remember how that hoax turned out?
This familiar story playing out in front of us with regards to current events in England is the same old cock & bull in the run up to escalating the war against Russia.
If we are all so stupid enough to fall for the same song and dance again, then we deserve to have Putin nuke us.
We’ve been under the possession of incompetent western governments for so long we’ve forgotten what professional diplomacy looks like.
If Putin and Russia wanted to off someone, they are never going to do something as stupidly obvious as what Theresa May is suggesting through her vague statements and evidence that no-one but her is allowed to see. Which in this case is accusing Russia of taking a sledge hammer to a fly, and everything the hammer hits leaves behind the words ‘It was me, I, Vladimir Putin did it’ like an office stamp.
Putin and the Russian government are not the incompetent boobs running the Vatican Press Office.
Point to consider from Dmitry Orlov –
“To recap, Theresa May claimed that a certain Russian-cum-British spy living in the UK was killed using a nerve agent made in Russia, and gave Russia 24 hours to explain this situation to her satisfaction. Russia is likewise a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), and had destroyed all 39,967 metric tons of its chemical weapons by September 27, 2017. On that occasion, The Director-General of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Ambassador Ahmet Üzümcü, stated: “The completion of the verified destruction of Russia’s chemical weapons programme is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention. I congratulate Russia and I commend all of their experts who were involved for their professionalism and dedication.” The US is yet to destroy its stockpiles, preferring to squander trillions on useless ballistic defense systems instead of living up to its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Here is precisely what Theresa May did wrong. Under the terms of the CWC, the UK was obligated to provide Russia with a sample of the nerve agent used, along with all related evidence uncovered in the course of the investigation. After that, the treaty gives Russia 10 days to respond. Instead, May provided no evidence, and gave Russia 24 hours to respond. When Russia formally requested to see the evidence, this request was refused. We can only guess at why she refused, but one reasonable supposition is that there is no evidence, because:
• May claimed that the nerve agent was Novichok, developed in the USSR. In order to identify it, the UK experts had to have had a sample of it. Since neither the USSR, nor Russia, have ever been known to export it, we should assume that it was synthesized within the UK. The formula and the list of precursors are in the public domain, published by the scientist who developed Novichok, who has since moved to the US. Thus, British scientists working at Porton Down could have synthesized it themselves. In any case, it is not possible to determine in what country a given sample of the substance was synthesized, and the claim that it came from Russia is not provable.
• It was claimed that the victims—Mr. Skripal and his daugher—were poisoned with Novichok while at a restaurant. Yet how could this have been done? The agent in question is so powerful that a liter of it released into the atmosphere over London would kill most of its population. Breaking a vial of it open over a plate of food would kill the murderer along with everyone inside the restaurant. Anything it touched would be stained yellow, and many of those in the vicinity would have complained of a very unusual, acrid smell. Those poisoned would be instantaneously paralyzed and dead within minutes, not strolling over to a park bench where they were found. The entire town would have been evacuated, and the restaurant would have to be encased in a concrete sarcophagus by workers in space suits and destroyed with high heat. None of this has happened.
• In view of the above, it seems unlikely that any of what has been described in the UK media and by May’s government has actually taken place. An alternative assumption, and one we should be ready to fully test, is that all of this is a work of fiction. No pictures of the two victims have been provided. One of them—Skripal’s daughter—is a citizen of the Russian Federation, and yet the British have refused to provide consular access to her. And now it has emerged that the entire scenario, including the Novichok nerve gas, was cribbed from a US/UK television drama “Strike Back.” If so, this was certainly efficient; why invent when you can simply plagiarize.
• This is only one (and not even the last) in a series of murders and assumed but dubious suicides on former and current Russian nationals on UK soil that share certain characteristics, such the use of exotic substances as the means, no discernible motive, no credible investigation, and an immediate, concerted effort to pin the blame on Russia. You would be on safe ground if you assumed that anyone who pretends to know what exactly happened here is in fact lying. As to what might motivate such lying—that’s a question for psychiatrists to take up.”
I find it interesting that Bp. Fellay does not once use the terms ‘conciliar church,’ or ‘modernism’. A two-and-a-half hour talk on the history of the Crisis in the Church, and not one mention of the problem of modernism, or the conciliar church. I suppose he just doesn’t think that there is such a thing as modernism, or a conciliar church anymore.
Archbishop Lefebvre frequently used these terms when describing the Crisis, but Bp. Fellay seems to have abandoned them. Just like the FSSP.
Yes, a SSPX priests reported a couple of years ago, that Fr. Wegner (US District Superior) informed the priests at their annual District meetings that they should not use the term “Conciliar” or if needed, then use it rarely and carefully. I heard this priest say this during the announcement before a Sunday Sermon.
Let me get this straight: all Jews who do not convert to Catholicism and die as Jews go to hell. Is that what you believe? That’s not Catholic teaching.
I have plenty of problems with the way the state of Israel operates as a country. (I also don’t like many of the things Saudi Arabia and any number of other countries do.) But I do not hate Jews. If that’s your position too, fine. If it’s that Jews are evil, not OK. If it’s the Paul Kramer “Jews are evil and I hate them but they’re not really Jews so that means I’m not an anti-Semite” that’s just delusional wordplay and, yes, anti-Semitic.
I will never understand who so many Traditonalists hate Jews. It’s a toxic attitude that, if not eliminated, will continue to poison the Traditionalist movement.
Yup the new Cold War era is well established now with Russia.
Thank you for pointing out the efforts of Catholics doing their part. All we get these days are conflicting opinions.
How much longer will the demonic Blunderbuss be allowed to concern-troll?
Let me get this straight Blunder:
All ISIS militants who do not convert to Catholicism and die as terrorist insurgents go to hell. Is that what you believe?
What about all Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Mayan death cultists, Satanists?
Are they all saved? I mean just think of the poor oppressed ISIS guys who are so sure of their faith that they are at least putting their lives on the line for it, unlike many so-called ‘Catholics.’
The point we’ve learnt today as we’ve learnt before about Blunderbuss is that Blunder does not know the Catholic faith.
Blunder, you can simply hear it from the Bible itself in the New Testament from the mouth of St. Paul that the Old Covenant is over. Done. Finito. Those were also one of Christ’s last statements on the cross.
The Church dogmatically teaches that OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION.
Some exceptional cases are made for those who are outside the faith possessed of invincible ignorance, in which case their eternal end is God’s to decide.
Otherwise, those who are aware of the Catholic Faith and that guy called Jesus Christ, whom the Catholic Faith holds as God Incarnate, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, the ONLY Way, Truth and Light, without Whom NO ONE can come to the Father except by Him, are obligated to inform themselves and accept this Truth. Regardless of whether they are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc. and doubly sure for those other sects labelling themselves ‘Christians’ but who reject Christ’s One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church.
Let’s get something straight Blunder. Trads don’t ‘hate’ Jews any more than they hate the erroneous faiths of all the other religions, schismatics and heretics. And certainly not any more that you, Blunder, certainly hate ISIS militants, for we always see you slamming the Muslims here with complete disregard for their feelings, but for some reason, the Jews are off limits??? Hypocrisy, much?
If Trads are usually discussing the Jews, outside of whatever caricatures you imagine Trads to be holocaust deniers and the like, then it’s usually in the context of –
a ) The role of the Jews in influencing the Vatican II establishment, and the council’s documents and the Church’s attitude towards the Jews post-VII, which you, Blunder have drunk the kool-aid on.
b ) The role of certain Jewish organizations for promoting sinful activities such as homosexuality, pornography and other vices which they openly boast about.
c ) The slander levelled by the Jews against the Church and its distortion about the Church’s and Christian nations treatment of them, which was at times indeed, harsh, and at other times also reasonably justified.
d ) Considering many who post here are Americans and world events are involved, especially when it comes to war and politics, the role Jewish organizations serving Israeli and Zionist interests also come under scrutiny.
Much more can be said, but so far, you, Blunder are coming in here are inferring false accusations against posters as somehow being irrationally bigoted against Jews. You do this unprovoked, and you level this slander at just about everyone, then backtrack as if you don’t actually understand the context of what people are saying.
As you yourself have proven, many Catholics don’t understand the Church’s teachings about the Jews. Here is the harsh truth. Any Jew, just as any other religious or non-religious person, who has sufficient knowledge about the Catholic Church and does not take trouble to pursue the truth out of care for their eternal salvation, will be DAMNED to Hell.
And any Catholic, such as you Blunder, who does not take pains to save his brothers, particularly his elder brothers, the Jews, to warn and convince them to convert to the faith, imagining that they are perfectly safe in their own covenant and faith, which rejects Jesus Christ as their Lord and King, will also be DAMNED to Hell.
And if I should not take pains to point out to you Blunder, these things, when the opportunity is present, then God Himself will demand I account for my negligence on your behalf.
We are NEVER to presume that anyone is saved. We are always to continuous pray and offer the Mass for the Dead. We are always to make recourse to the Sacraments, which are only in the Catholic Church to be forgiven of our sins and to do those actions God demands as a sign of obedience and faith. Which the Jews cannot also benefit from unless they become Catholic.
Why Blunder, do you deprive the Jews of these salfivic gifts? Why do you want them to remain in dangerous ignorance. If that is not hatred of the Jews, to deprive them of the truth, then I don’t know what is.
Johno, the Jews do not burn people alive, torture and kill unbelievers, or trade women as sex slaves. ISIS does. You’re smarter than that straw man.
AdolphusJr, whatever “concern-troll”ing is, I’m pretty sure I’m not doing that.
In virtually every Trad combox, there is at least one person who, no matter the content of the article, says “ah, yes, and we all know who’s responsible, right? The Jews.” Reread what you wrote. It’s all there: everything that is wrong or immoral in society is somehow traceable to the Jews. This is a complete fantasy and fabrication.
To be clear, there are other issues that too many Traditonalists seem to hold, at least in comboxes: the desire to put homosexuals to death, complete contempt for Protestants, among Americans, a hatred for their own government and a longing for/false prophecy regarding the Apocalypse. Until and unless the movement rids itself of these diseases, it will turn off many, many good people who can’t stomach bigotry, superstition, or outright insanity. And that’s truly a shame because there is so much that is beautiful and inspiring about Catholic Traditon.
Nice reading comprehension, Blunderdumb.
So now not only do we know that you subscribe to the heresy that people of other false religions are safe, but that you also subscribe to the school of Robert Barron and the like, where everybody is saved, unless you’re Adolf Hitler-level evil.
But what if I were to inform you Blunder that “the Jews” or rather the State of Israel and those who subscribe to Zionism in such a way where ends justify means actually DO burn people alive! Except unlike ISIS, they do so using chemical weapons such as white phosphorous shelling dropped from helicopters over civilians in Gaza.
And what if were also to inform Blunder that “the Jews” or rather, the State of Israel and those who subscribe to Zionism in such a way where ends justify means actually DO torture and kill such as those Israeli contracted ‘interrogators’ who torture and kill on behalf of the U.S. in Abu Garib. Techniques they’ve developed themselves against Palestinians, including Palestinian children.
And we could go on, but for the benefit of Blunder’s complete ignorance, perhaps we should also point out for Blunder who precisely supports the rise of ISIS and all that it does. Where Blunder is completely unaware that the so called “Syrian Rebels” who turned into ISIS were all backed by the USA and Israel to fight against Assad and destroy Syria. That the U.S. and Israel were completely aware that these men were crazed Jihadis and were ISIS didn’t stop the US or Israel from providing them cover support, intelligence, with Israel even treating ISIS fighters in hospitals before shipping them back to the front lines again to rape, pillage and burn. That’s when they are not nicely escorting and protecting ISIS fuel supply trucks to Turkey with aircraft until Russia had to expose this and embarrass them to stop, where finally they would actually bomb a few sitting duck truck convoys, but by nicely giving the ISIS fighters advance radio notice so that they could get away and then finally have some footage to show dope viewers of CNN that “Look! America finally did something against those there terrorists!”
I’d say that Blunder is smarter than all that, but clearly he isn’t.
On top of that, that Blunder will argue that somehow “Jews” will go to Heaven because they are not doing very mean things is HERESY, because plenty of “normal” people go to Hell for plenty of other things that are not crimes against humanity. But rather crimes first and foremost against God Almighty – such as sins of the flesh – which we have it from the revelations of the Mother of God herself – that many people go to Hell specifically for Sins of the Flesh. So one does not have to be an ISIS rocket-toting bad guy in order to be damned.
But the point remains that Blunder rejects the Dogma that outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation. And is unaware that one doesn’t need to be a crazed killer, torturer or genocidal maniac in order to earn God’s just wrath.
There is only one true religion. It ain’t modern-day Judaism, a system that specifically rejects the true religion by design. And therefore is of no good to anyone. If any Jews do die in this false faith and are somehow saved, it will only be due to invincible ignorance of the true faith and such circumstances and criteria is only known to God, and therefore they will still have to enter into Heaven through the Catholic Faith by whatever means God provides to those deprived of the Truth on Earth, no thanks to to the Blunderers of the world who go around telling people that’s it’s okay, they’ll still be saved even by holding to their false religions so long as they are not killing or doing physical harm to anyone else.
And please tell us more Blunder about all these things you consider “bigotry, superstition, or outright insanity.”
I’m curious to see how many actual Catholic articles of faith, you consider “bigotry, superstition, or outright insanity.”
Are you saying calling homosexuality a sin is “bigotry, superstition, or outright insanity”?
Are you calling the Holy Spirit who gave us the Law in the Torah to put homosexuals and adulterers to death a “bigot”?
Are you calling the Catholic dogma of “No Salvation outside the Church” superstitious and outright insanity?
Was Jesus Christ an insane superstitious bigot for commanding us to baptise all nations because no-one could go to the Father except by Him, and that whoever does not eat His Flesh and drink His Blood will not have eternal life?
Are you calling criticism of the all-holy all-powerful American Secular Government “bigotry, superstition, or outright insanity”?
Are you calling those who believe in the prophecies and messages of Fatima superstitious and insane?
So is the Holy Virgin Mother of God, according to Blunder, a superstitious, insane bigot?
Go on Blunder, tell us more…
That’s quite a mouthful, Johno.
Bigotry is calling for persecution of Jews and murder of homosexuals, as you do. Or the subjugation of “lesser races” as your friend AdolphusJr. does.
I’m fairly sure you know what superstition is.
Let’s start with Fatima to illustrate insanity. Say you (I don’t mean you personally, I mean any Traditonalist) have an approved apparition of the Church. It has messages and warnings and calls for penance and amending your life. Great.
But then you declare that there is a secret part that the Church refuses to reveal. You fill in this blank with what you think or want to believe is in this supposedly unrevealed section. You assert that an enormous cabal of evil men are conspiring to hold back information, so there is no way to prove or disprove anything. You insist that this enormous conspiracy matches whatever lunatic theories you have about Rothschilds, Masons, etc. If you’re as stupid and arrogant as some (cough, Fr. Paul Kramer), you make predictions and prophecies and put them on YouTube and are demonstrably wrong when a decade passes without WWIII happening.
You alternately revile Vladimir Putin as an agent of Satan and revere him as the chastiser the rest of the world deserves and an instrument of God’s revenge.
You claim that the Eastern Europen countries formerly under Russian control are still communist (go visit – not only are they Not communist, they HATE communism and Russia).
You call for Poland to invade Italy to get rid of Pope Francis.
(Again, when I say “you”, I mean anyone, not you personally, but these are all things I’ve read from Trad leaders like Cornelia Ferreira and people in this combox.)
You see my point.