Pope Francis just concluded what is being billed as an “Apostolic Journey” when in truth it was little more than a tour diplomatic; with multiple calls for peace and unity and exactly zero calls for conversion to the one true Faith.
On Monday, May 26th Pope Francis celebrated Mass in the “Upper Room” (aka the Cenacle) delivering a homily centered on the theme of remembrance.
In the Upper Room, the risen Jesus, sent by the Father, bestowed upon the apostles his own Spirit and with his power he sent them forth to renew the face of the earth (cf. Ps 104:30). To go forth, to set out, does not mean to forget.
Well-formed Catholics can hardly fail to recognize the irony of such a statement, coming as it did at the end of a three day papal visit to the Holy Land wherein the Vicar of Christ repeatedly confirmed in their deadly errors those who are exposed to final despair; dwelling in darkness outside of the Catholic Church.
It would appear that Pope Francis, like each of the post-conciliar popes who preceded him, has indeed forgotten one the most important of all things; namely, the very purpose for which the Apostles were sent forth from the Upper Room as evidenced by that which transpired just beyond its doors on the day of Pentecost.
“Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.” (Acts 2:36-39)
Would that our bishops, including he who resides in Rome, preach so boldly in the name of Our Lord!
Speaking in his Cenacle Mass homily, Pope Francis said, “The Church, in her going forth, preserves the memory of what took place here; the Spirit, the Paraclete, reminds her of every word and every action, and reveals their true meaning.”
Among them:
The Upper Room speaks to us of service, of Jesus giving the disciples an example by washing their feet … welcoming, accepting, loving and serving one another … serving the poor, the sick and the outcast, those whom I find difficult, those who annoy me … sharing, fraternity, harmony and peace.
Yes, the Cenacle speaks of many things that the Holy Father considers worthy of remembering; the mission of the Church, however, appears not to be one of them.
Sure, he did manage to make mention of the Eucharist as that which unites us to the Father, but perhaps one might forgive me for holding my applause. I mean he is, after all, the pope.
In any case, the takeaway for non-Catholics, not just in this homily but in the entirety of the Holy Land visit and indeed this pontificate as a whole, is anything but a call to conversion that one may be saved (aka the message they would receive if the mission of the Church such as it was given to her by Christ was actually being carried out.)
All of the Cenacle memories, according to the pope, aren’t entirely pleasant, however.
“The Upper Room, however, also reminds us of pettiness, of curiosity – ‘Who is the traitor?’ – and of betrayal,” he said.
Indeed, and perhaps the solitary “gift” of the past fifty years is precisely this; no more do we, the children of the Church that was born in the Upper Room, have to wonder who the traitor is, as those who betray the Lord from within His inner most circle are delighted to do so in the plain light of day.
Hi Louie. If you’re wondering why Bergoglio thought it was so important to go to the Cenacle in the first place, I think you will find the answer in an article from an Israeli newspaper which you can read on my blog:
http://publicvigil.blogspot.com/2014/05/cenacle-to-remain-under-jewish-control.html
The reason is to “unofficially” recognize that the Cenacle is under Jewish control. So you see it didn’t matter what words Bergoglio blathered on this momentous occasion — the whole point was simply the “gesture” represented by his mere presence there. You see Bergoglio is a man of “gestures”. And no one understands the hidden meanings of these gestures better than the enemies of the Church.
“Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise? For here there is question of defending revealed truth. Jesus Christ sent His Apostles into the whole world in order that they might permeate all nations with the Gospel faith, and, lest they should err, He willed beforehand that they should be taught by the Holy Ghost: has then this doctrine of the Apostles completely vanished away, or sometimes been obscured, in the Church, whose ruler and defense is God Himself? If our Redeemer plainly said that His Gospel was to continue not only during the times of the Apostles, but also till future ages, is it possible that the object of faith should in the process of time become so obscure and uncertain, that it would be necessary to-day to tolerate opinions which are even incompatible one with another? If this were true, we should have to confess that the coming of the Holy Ghost on the Apostles, and the perpetual indwelling of the same Spirit in the Church, and the very preaching of Jesus Christ, have several centuries ago, lost all their efficacy and use, to affirm which would be blasphemy.” Pope Pius XI (Mortalium Animos)
Or perhaps we are being too hasty. Should we not wait for the conservative Catholic media to tell us what His Holiness really meant to say?
Seriously? If the Pope were to go on a diplomatic mission like this as head of the state of Vatican City and preach how do you think the Orthodox, Jews and Muslims would respond? Do you think he would ever be invited back? Now you can say that you would rather the Pope stay in Rome and not go to events like this but don’t pretend that this is a “missed” opportunity because the Israelis would never have allowed him to step foot in their country if his purpose was to preach.
What would Jesus do?
Bergoglio is a politician for ecumenism—nothing more/nothing less. He is a failure as the Vicar of Christ, a tltle he totally ignores and perhaps that is the most honest thing about him.
You might have *some* kind of point if this pontiff *ever once* echoed Peter in telling the Jews, who reject Christ, to “repent” and “be *baptized*”.
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But he does not. In fact, he says the exact opposite. So, you’ve no point at all.
In this particular question (do the Jews need Christ?) we can even ask, since we have the answer, what DID Jesus do? And what did His Apostles do? And what did His Church do, before the Revolution?
Please remind me who the last pope was that *specifically* called on the jews to repent and be baptized?
The whole Church always prayed for the conversion of the “perfidis” (faithless) Jews on Good Friday prior to Vatican II… “Let us pray also for the faithless Jews: that almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord.”
And the whole Church still prays for the faithless jews and all faithless people everywhere. Particularly, as Our Lady says at Fatima, those in most need of Our Lord’s mercy.
If you would research what the pre-conciliar popes wrote about this particular subject, as well as the others that have been overtaken by Vatican II novelties, you would begin to understand that you’re quite off base.
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Do you honestly mean to assert here that there is no difference in the attitude toward the Jewish religion since the Council? That is just completely preposterous. Such is acknowledged plainly on all sides.
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To answer your question, off the top of my head, the pontiff who called Vatican Council I invited numerous non-Catholic observers and called upon *all* of them to renounce their heresies and embrace the True Faith. That simple statement is exactly the type that Pope Francis has *never* made (regarding the Jews or any other non-Catholic group) and, barring a miracle or at least radical change in theology, will never make.
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I understand that you find the notion that modern popes no longer teach the truths of the faith plainly too unsettling to seriously consider. Here is your answer: the Holy Ghost has protected His Church by preventing any churchmen from attempting to bind the faithful to these un-Catholic novelties.
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As Pope Paul VI declared regarding Vatican Council II: “In view of the conciliar practice and the pastoral purpose of the present Council, this sacred Synod defines matters of faith or morals as binding on the Church only when the Synod itself openly declares so.”
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The council documents never declared any teaching binding upon the faithful except when repeating existing doctrine and dogma; it defined nothing new at all.
Here is the 1970’s “revised” version of the Good Friday prayer for the Jews: “Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant. “
Shocking that a traditionalist would only quote part of the prayer. The full prayer is: “Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant. Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your Church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption. We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen.
all of the VII popes have failed to preach Christ to false religionists. Frankie even hides his crucifix in front of them. there are those who call themselves Christ’s who cannot see how an apostle is not an apostle if he keeps schtum about the of the only Way and Truth and Life. this is a man who tells false-religionists – judaism being a false religion – ‘inside every Christian there is a jew’. absurd.
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the rabbis and the imams are happy to keep ‘dissolving’ Christ in the middle of their violent mess of lies and satanism, and Frankie could care less.
p.s. Frankie and most of those who call themselves Catholics.
get thee hence, Satan.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/05/24/francis-calls-for-religious-freedom-in-middle-east-at-start-of-holy-land-trip/
Dear Ganganelli. Since your name is an obvious reference to Pope Clement XIV who was a sort of proto-Bergoglio with regards to his favorable treatment of the Jewish people and who in 1773 infamously suppressed the Jesuits at the behest of the secular forces in the world; whose very election in the conclave of 1769 was infamously manipulated by the very same secular forces…. I’m sure you know that the phrase “may arrive at the fullness of redemption” is deliberately ambiguous to the point of being deceptive.
A faithful Catholic will most likely conclude that this refers to redemption through Our Lord Jesus Christ, but a “perfidis” Jew could just as easily conclude that this “redemption” refers to the coming of the false Jewish “Messiah” at the “end of times” who is the anti-Christ.
It is for this very reason that the Church needs to be “restored in Christ” as St. Pius X declared…. for the one supreme purpose of the Catholic Church which is the salvation of souls through Jesus Christ Our Lord who says: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.” (The Gospel of Saint John 14:6)
Pray for us O Holy Mother of God, that we may be made worthy of the Promises of Christ.
my dear salvemur,
I hope I develop a tolerance for the constant nausea at this point. please-one Ave?
dear my2cents,
true.
dear FrA,
including the “know and share” imperative. God love you and Peace be to you, Father.
de Maria. Ave’s for you and yours. The conciliar church is compleletly losing, or, perhaps for the most has already lost all authenticity.
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‘Kissing another person’s hand in Church protocol is a gesture of formal submission’, which Frankie and his ilk reserve for everyone who denies Christ, whether it be abomination promoting priests or muslims, or jews – so long as one is against Christ, the conciliar church is there to bow to them.
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Here’s how the authentic Church always preaches:
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“Catholics often forget that those faithful living on earth come under the title of “Church Militant”. What is a Catholic who does not confess his faith or worse yet a Catholic who does not believe his faith? St. Peter Canisius puts it this way: “Who is to be called a Christian? He who confesses the doctrine of Christ and His Church. Hence, he is truly a Christian thoroughly condemns and detests, the Jewish, Mohammedan, and the heretical cults and sects.” What did St. Peter Mavimenus tell the Mohammedans? Did he say, “We worship the same God, all is well” No! He told them the truth, he put it this way to them “Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned, as was your false prophet Mohammed.” Again we read that Blessed Nicholas Tavilich was just as stern as he openly states, “You Mohammedans are in a state of everlasting damnation. Your Koran is not God’s law nor is it revealed by Him. Far from being a good thing, your law is utterly evil. It is founded neither in the Old Testament nor in the New. In it are lies, foolish things, buffooneries, contradictions, and much that leads not to virtue and goodness but to evil and to all manner of vice.” St. Alphonsus attests to the fact how the Holy Monk St. Goerge of San Saba openly confessed to the Mohammedans: “But the holy monk (St. George of San Saba) having declared that Mahomet was a disciple of the devil, and that his followers were in a state of perdition, he also was condemned (to martyrdom) with his companions.” The same we read in the testimony of the five disciples of St. Francis of Assisi, who when reproached by the followers of Koran for preaching against Mohammed, simply responded by saying “We have come to preach faith in Jesus Christ to you, that you will renounce Mohammad, that wicked slave of the devil, and obtain everlasting life like us” Further we read in the life of St. John Vianney how he stated openly to a Protestant who believed that his worship rendered to God should do him just as well in his Protestant Sect as it would have in the Catholic faith, The Saint responded to him with the contrary advice saying “My friend, there are not two ways of serving Our Lord; there is only one good way, and it is to serve Him as He wishes to be served”. This is the truth we must speak in charity and honesty to these lost souls who without the grace and redemption of Christ can’t be saved for By nature, men are “children of wrath” (Eph. 2:3); by Him, we have been reconciled with the Father (Col. 1:20), and it is only by faith in Him that we can have the boldness to approach God with entire confidence (Eph. 3:12). To Him was given all power in heaven and on earth (Mt. 28:18), and at His name every knee must bend, in heaven, on earth, and under the earth (Phil. 2:10,11). No one goes to the Father save by Him (Jn. 14:6), and there is no other name under heaven given to man by which he must be saved (Acts 4:12). He is the Light that enlightens every man who comes into the world (Jn.1:9), and whoever does not follow Him wanders in darkness (Jn. 8:12). Who is not with Him is against Him (Mt. 13:30), and who does not honor Him also dishonors His Father who sent Him (as the Jews do) (Jn. 5:23). Christ says, ” Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No I tell you but division?” With the truth, division must come. This should not dishearten the man of God for “If God is for us, who is against us” – Rom 8:31” by Raymond Taouck
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http://meetingthemets.com/2014/05/28/on-the-road-to-gehenna-with-jorge-abe-and-omar-part-three/
p.s. and not long after Frankie left the Church of the Nativity, the Grotto was ablaze: http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fire-at-bethlehems-nativity-church.html
Salvemur, I must point out the fact that many traditionalists, including myself, find the use of name-calling (“Frankie”) not appropriate. We must refrain from subjective judgment of the pope. Judge his words, judge his actions, condemn them as necessary, but respect the man and most especially the office he holds. This is a fair representative of the position of the SSPX.
dear A Catholic Thinker,
To your point, if I may say- yes,
the SSPX are THE staunchest exemplars of true Charity towards the current Supreme Pontiff vis a vie Devotions offered for him and countless prayers, including within the Liturgy, as you obviously know, to assist the Vicar of Christ and so much more, and defenders of the Chair.
That said, I have never seen written that salvemur does not do the same. Some feel, and I am not saying that salvemur does,
I’m just saying–
that a shakeup of those in danger requires certain phraseology-
that’s all I’m saying.
Pray, pray much for the Holy Father.
Archbishop Lefebvre, solid protector of the Faith undefiled, pray for us.
heads up,
dear brethren–
some cool, clear water and a feast for the ears:
http://www.voiceofcatholicradio.com/catholicradiowebpage_002.htm
I enjoy salvemur’s posts and, of course, our position is nigh the same. The “Frankie” thing is just something I find slightly grating, and I think the neo-Caths have a bit of a point in their ire over such things. Of course, such holds no candle to papalotry and burying one’s head in the sand regarding insults to the faith.
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(That’s not really fair – most neo-Caths aren’t burying their heads; rather, they do not know the faith well enough to understand that the conciliar novelties stand opposed to it.)
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I pray for this holy father every day indeed. And, you are, of course, completely correct regarding the Society and its saintly founder, who will one day be raised to the altars just as was St. Athanasius, defender of orthodoxy, first Doctor of the Church, and excommunicated by a “weak pope” (as EWTN calls him).
Perhaps we ought to look more into our personal faults and weaknesses (I will be the first to admit that I have plenty) rather than criticise someone who uses language to appropiately describe someone who makes a mockery of the office of Vicar of Christ.
Huh? What about Pope St Pius X to Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern political zionism?
Seems like PF has allowed his “celebrity” status to reflect his political nature and media savvy rather than the humble and courageous “Vicar of Christ”. More like watching the “Catholic Party” rather than the “Catholic Church”. The former concentrates on “spin” while the latter is focused on “Truth”. There is something about the “Ostentatious Humility” of PF that translates to “Moral Exhibitionism”. It is disquieting. The word that comes to mind is “shallow”. Wish it was otherwise but 15 months in the reality is a “modernist” at the helm of the Barque of Peter.
Salvemur…Deo gratias! Thank you for your always, ALWAYS wonderful contributions. I always find a quote or link from you just as I’m looking for the exact point of apologetics. Grazie di cuore a te!
Edu, what authority would you cite to support your assertion that using an intentionally degrading “nickname” for the supreme pontiff is appropriate? Are you really certain that those who do so aren’t just allowing their baser instincts to take hold, a bit?
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We must rise above such things, no matter how great are the insults we face. My SSPX priest explains why the Archbishop never did and never would have descended to such behavior, and that’s quite good enough for me.
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As for looking to my own faults, I do try to, and welcome fraternal correction. You realize, of course, the bit of irony as you rebuke me at the same time…
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“I am the One that is, and you are the one who is not” said God the Father Himself to St. Catherine of Sienna. We are all nothing – if and when we do good, we are nothing but instruments, and can take pride in nothing other than having been deemed worthy for use as a painter uses a brush.
Well. It is interesting that calling francis ‘frankie’, is one of the most grating things about a a pope who is a sort of a no-pope and encouraging catholics to be sort of no-catholics and encouraging seekers to be no-seekers. I won’t stop calling him Frankie or Skankie while he continues to erode people’s sense of what a pope should be. If this is simply too annoying for other commenters I guess you could vote me off the site. I cannot, in good Catholic conscience, call Bergoglio ‘holy’ or ‘father’ or ‘priest’, and it feels wrong when I call him ‘Francis’, since he has usurped the aura of a great and true saint for the most neferious use.
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sympathy for the devil is not something I try to make a habit of, at least anymore. Frankie, he remains until such time as he converts or probably resigns.
p.s. and bergoglio takes too long to type and reminds me of gog and magog. I could start calling him gog-man if you like.
I would be interested to know what conclusions people have now drawn regarding the Novus Ordo popes. Do you consider them worthy successors of the pre-vii popes? If not, why? and if not, how should one consider them? Henry Eight was an appalling human being and a worse king. I wonder if the recusants called him Hank the fillintheblank? probably. Because traitors find success on the back of how much they are respected or feared, usually over and above God.
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sic transit gloria mundi.
What you said about traitors might be true for the civil powers of the world, but in the case of the post V II hierarchy, ironically, it was not the popes, but only “the world” – in short, the devil – that was respected and feared.
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It is my personal opinion that a future council and/or pope may very well proclaim an anathema on all the post-V II popes. That would include “Good” “St” J XXIII (patron saint of smokers? Yes, he had a “heroic” degree of temperance, as seen in a photo holding a cigarette with some buddies whilst Cardinal in Paris) and “St” JP II “The Great”; they may even quite possibly declare them to have been antipopes. Until such time as the Church renders such definitive and binding judgment, I will keep my own opinion to myself.
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I think the whole post V II debacle and crisis may be part of the “mystery of inquity” of which St Paul speaks in 2 Thessalonians 2, and hence a mystery, at least for the present generation living through the crisis.
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“And now you know what withholdeth [THE POWER OF THE PAPACY?], that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way.”
~ 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
Blessed Feast Day, dear brethren-
http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/let-us-ascend-spirit-christ-4155
I believe those who recoil at calling Bergoglio “Francis” do so out of a justified sense of horror at the carnage being perpretated on the Mystical Body of Christ, out of a sensus Catolicus – an inner instinct – to defend the faith, Christ’s church – from wolves in sheep clothing.
brethren,
please advise me.
Is this something I should bring to the forum? if so, how to do that?
Wondering how recent actions, including but not limited to the -devastating to the Faith- just now completed Holy Land “tour,” —
is affecting your efforts to engage in the “solemn nonsense,”–{to quote the current occupant of the Chair of Peter,} of proselytizing.
I find myself becoming uncharacteristically, for me anyway, and I don’t mind admitting to you, timid and cowardly.
Help !
Dear de Maria,
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Considering your advanced aged (and let’s face it – at such an age except for some last minute conversión people don’t change, lol correct me if I’m wrong though!) I would say that your change in “perspective” (if I can call it that) has nothing to do with your becoming more timid or cowardly and everything to do with the way people (influenced by the recent actions of Francis) are reacting to your comments and/or actions.
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Keep up the good fight dear sister in Christ. For younger people such as myself it is nice to know people who can relate the experience of having lived through the glory of the Church during Pius XII’s pontificate. Somehow, it is a source of a certain amount of hope for better days to come.
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“For I am even now ready to be sacrificed: and the time of my dissolution is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith. As to the rest, there is laid up for me a crown of justice, which the Lord the just judge will render to me in that day: and not only to me, but to them also that love his coming.”
~ 2 Timothy 4:6-8
if not THE mystery of iniquity, what’s coming down from the anti-popes and the anti-saints, must surely be laying out the red carpet for the THE.
I think the qanonizations of the anti-saints has actually sent the catholic fence sitters rushing back into the arms of mother goose. Many people who were willing to look squarly at the dissonance between the Novus Ordo fiasco and the True Deposit of Faith, are now unwilling. It would seem that anti-saints being raising to the, are they anti-altars? has caused a head-in-the-sand reaction.
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the Holy Land field trip to raise the importance of anti-christ religions might have been the watershed, but they side-blinded the pew-punters with gilding wojtlya and roncalli in fool’s gold first.
dear Edu,
ahh, very interesting.
Press on, Catholic soldier.
Currently, as of yesterday, {I’ll not link you bc I do not want to edify the posting,} there is going around yet another infusion of a more and more common {and popular w/neo’s,} assessment of the recent pre VII years–a degrading and more importantly, inaccurate one- insisting that such recollections {my word,} are over-glorifications.
heh, heh,-what a Luciferian deception.
When Pius XII spoke, the world stopped. With my vivid recall, {and I am not alone,} there was no sarcasm within any media in reference to the words of the Supreme Pontif, no ridicule!! Thanks be to the Goodness of God, I can still remember the sound of the Holy Vicar’s voice, as I have said to you before. It was blunt and firm, and probably would be considered today- brutal, in our effeminate culture.
I won’t go on –but remember, I was raised protestant-but these memories bc of my Catholic Dad-caused my conversion, not the whining words of an “ecumenical ” pope. And you already know what I found when I did convert in the early ’80’s – heart wrenching devastation.
Do not ever be deterred, my brother in Christ, and all here !! It is because of you all, plus Holy Devotions that I have hope that all my adult children will be influenced by you & I do not despair!
p.s. on second thought, given that wojltyay has done almost every abominable thing that alert-alert-alert, Frankie has, including hiding his crucifix so as not to offend those who hate Christ, I’m starting to think the man the media call the pope could play strip poker with sissie chrissie while maradiago played the sympathy for the devil on the sax and people would think it was just great, and that Christ probably would have done that too.
my dear salvemur,
horrendous-and of course emphasizes the need for hammering the scandolous dangers to the children down into the ground, unlike certain popular admittedly former media men who won’t criticize {any,} papacy, and who accuse solid Catholic men of a certain type of “pornography.”
God love you.
de Maria – the scandals of the vandals have been so thick and fast I’d forgotten about that. one happy day, God willing, all this will be washed away.
de Maria
Thank you for heads up on http://www.voiceofcatholicradio.com
Check their archive for great interviews (including Mr. Verricchio) and inspiring sermons!!
God bless!
I think instead of worrying about what we refer to bergoglio by, we should be more worried about the souls who are going to go to hell because he didn’t do his job. If I ever met the man in person, “Frankie” would easily be the nicest thing I called him…..lets get real people. We’ll demonize a child rapist/murderer (and rightfully so), but we have to be respectful to a scoundrel who is helping so many on the road to damnation just because an equally bunch of evil men voted for him?!?! Lets stop all of the niceties and start being honest with who this man is…please.
I’ll tell, ya, the lengths Novus Ordo Catholics will go too, sorting through the haystack of heresy for the novus ordo needle of neutral, because they think they might be hit by a bolt of lightning if they notice someone in a white cassock is acting like an anti-pope is, probably not very surprising.
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I know a few Catholics who were thoughtful – intelligent, educated, conservative, concerned about the obvious crisis – who turned into novusordo-nothing-to-see-here-folks-ain’t-it-great-ists once the recent anti-saints had been made.
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this is what JUDASES depend on. Good Catholics turning into Nice Pawns because they just LIKE NICE.
Exactly. There is way too much emphasis on “being nice”. This is a crisis which most people, many of whom i’d myself classify as good Catholics, just don’t seem to fully grasp.
Every Catholic who hasnt done so needs to read the book “Purgatory” by Fr. F X Schouppe…and Catholics who have should probably read it again. The prospect of what Hell will be like….sad to say….is probably not appreciated as much as it should be. This is why when I see what these men are doing, and where they are leading souls, it makes my blood boil.
yep. God wants us with Him through eternity. satan, doesn’t want us with him, just wants us to not be with God through eternity. There’s a reason ‘the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom’. because God is the Only. If we think to fear God means one doesn’t love God, we must believe that love can never be wise.Our Lord told us that the greatest love a man can achieve us to give up his own life for one he loves. how many Catholics give up their lives for love of our God? the least we can do is believe Him enough to fear Him.
and by that I mean we must, must believe Our Lord when he told us that we MUST follow His narrow Way; He wasn’t being ungenerous to the wide open Broadway of Perdition; He’s telling it like it is. the narrow Way is long enough for all souls. the broad easy highway is fat enough for all souls. we get to choose, and popes who refuse to preach the God-given grave distinction between the two are anti-popes.
Well, Salvemur, you may certainly have it your way. I’ve said enough. But I will leave you with this comment: There is a reason why we do not see our host here, Mr. Verrecchio, engaging in such bitterness.
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On another note, and to perhaps re-establish my street cred here, I’ve found another restorationist rosary-counter: St. Pio:
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“But there is another message that was lived and preached by Padre Pio. It is the one that he wished to give both by his example and by his words. Padre Pio is known to have prayed 15 or more 15-decade Rosaries every day. 1 In fact, he had resolved to say no fewer than that number. Once, when questioned by his Superior and placed under obedience to say how many 15-decade Rosaries he had prayed that particular day, the saint answered, ‘Well, I must tell the truth to my superior, I said thirty-four.'”
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In 2006 I was privileged to meet the priest who was St. Pio’s caretaker for the last several years of his life. He regularly washed his wounds – the very wounds of Christ Himself.
“When Pius XII spoke, the world stopped.”
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What a great quote. That is how it *should* be when the Vicar of Christ on Earth speaks. That is how it used to be. *Even among the unbelievers*.
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Now, the pope speaks, the world yawns, or applauds, and the demon cackles with glee.
Salvemur, I’ve a question for you, if you wouldn’t mind: Are you a sede vacantist?
Hi, A Catholic Thinker. I’m a bit curious as to the point, if any, at which you’d decide that Francis deserved zero respect.
For instance, if it turns out that the October synod is being engineered by him in an underhanded way to advance the position of homosexuals in the Church, and Francis begins a crackdown on any Catholics who resist, would that do it?
I think that is what he’s up to. That’s what his weird May 13 campaign speech was all about, when he was talking about how those who were once “unclean” are now accepted and holy, despite “harsh criticism from the Christians…” who are “shocked” at acceptance of them, how the Church needs to be “updated”, and how the coming changes are “unimaginable”.
Well, Big Fred, if you’re a Christian, you should be aware that all human beings deserve respect. The office of the Vicar of Christ also deserves respect. That’s why we don’t see Louie nor the SSPX reacting with the kind of bitterness and, I think, even hate that we see from some posters here.
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I can recommend an excellent book to you: “The Immaculata, Our Ideal”, by SSPX priest Fr. Karl Stehlin, based on the writings of St. Maximilian Kolbe, another saint who had nothing but love for sinners, and hate for sin.
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To answer your question, then – if that wasn’t clear enough – there is no point at which any human being ceases to deserve respect, save, I think, when he among the reprobate, in Hell.
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I have no respect, however, and no tolerance, for the anti-Catholic novelties of the conciliar Church, for the modernist ramblings and leanings of the modern pontiffs, beset with diabolical disorientation as they are, for the Spirit of the Council, which is the spirit of antichrist. That is why I am among the SSPX.
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A question for you: what does holding to the sede vacantist position have to do with refusing respect, in your mind?
— I replied to your post so that you would see my question. My question didn’t flow from your question; my question arose because I’ve been curious about ways to overcome objections to criticisms of Francis. I’ve seen that some decent and smart people have objections to criticisms of Francis, it’s not only the dupes and the liberals.
— As to respect: I’d follow the example of Jesus, who showed zero respect to the Pharisees and the moneychangers. He forgave the crucifying soldiers because they were not trying to pervert the faith, but He showed only anger to the Pharisees – even used some name-calling like “vipers”.
It seems to me to be less like Christianity and more like a modern trend to respect everybody – even to the point of how we see of a police spokesman saying at a microphone that “the gentleman was arrested after he raped and murdered the child”. The gentleman, they say?
oops, as you see I hit the wrong button and didn’t reply to you directly that last time… But it’s there below.
Bigfred, Christ was able to judge the soul because He is God. He knew the hearts of those he judged, as the Scriptures say, which is why he was able to judge holistically – to judge the soul.
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But none of us are so endowed, which is why Christ told us not to judge souls. Judge statements, actions, teachings, yes – these things are required, demanded, of every Christian. But not souls. In many ways we are to imitate Christ, but not all ways.
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In addition to the fact that it is forbidden, it seems to me (from experience) that it very quickly destroys one’s own peace. And that should never be, for those with the indwelling of the Holy Trinity.
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Nevertheless, and despite the effort it may appear I’ve expended on this tangent, I do believe that the relevant issue here is Pope Francis along with the other post-conciliar pontiffs drawing untold souls to perdition with their confused, at best contradictory, at worst heretical, words and deeds. And so I’m not going to say anything more about the use of disparaging monikers here.
Okay, ACT, (and setting aside that Peter was told to judge) that leads to the more important matter: how to counter the damage that Francis is doing. All the praying in the world will not stop him, and in fact if conservative Catholics only pray then Francis’ twisted schemes will be effectively unopposed.
The only thing that will deter Francis the politician is if large numbers oppose him. That requires something of a social movement – based on morality but still marshaling significant numbers of people. If whipping up opposition is helped by calling him Frankie or magog-dude, is that wrong?
I understand your point about harming yourself by getting too rabid, so that’s why I try to do it in a light-hearted way. Sort of like in an old Errol Flynn movie.
Anyway, that’s my attempt to show the other point of view, since everyone here should be allies against the incredible evil that is lying dog Frankie 🙂
If you reply, I’ll see it tomorrow since I have some calls to make now. Have a good night.
Peter is capable of judging infallibly in the [very narrow] circumstances that Vatican Council I formalized. And just as none of us are Christ, we are not Peter either – it’s Peter’s chair we’re speaking of respecting, actually.
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I’m not sure how much more clear I could be regarding the necessity to oppose the New Orientation of the Church, including the pontiffs themselves when necessary. I’m speaking only about refraining from things like out-and-out name-calling, which I, and a large number of other loyal traditionalists, see as beneath us.
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Being light-hearted, in a sense, is appropriate, as we never want to lose that joy in the Hope we possess, but on the other hand, this is all rather serious business.
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Again, I really didn’t anticipate this much discussion over the mild objection I raised to things “Frankie”; but here we are. Perhaps we can lay it to rest and move on to Louie’s next post. (The one after the one about football, that is.)
ACT, it’s not polite to make your points and then try to cut off replies by calling an end (twice in a row). But in this case, I don’t mind and neither of us would convince the other anyway.
Speaking of Louie, last night I heard him for the first time – which was also the first time I’d stumbled on Mic’d Up. He speaks in a very reasonable and non-pretentious manner.
He also seems to be the only conservative/traditional Catholic blogger who is not obsessed with moderation moderation moderation and actually lets commenters post at will. Bravo to him for that. It’ no wonder that he has more participation here that anywhere else. That’s the way to build numbers and eventually leads to having an effect that goes beyond just griping.
Griping certainly has its place (I like it myself), and for many Catholics even just acknowledging the great harm being done by Francis is a big first step. But eventually things have to go beyond that and hopefully one day Francis will face some very embarrassing opposition.
I think I’ve been perfectly polite. I have said what I have to say on the matter and that is that.
Catholic thinker: i think you must be mistaking me for one of frankie’s pelagians of one of those insults. I don’t feel bitter about Frankie. I consider it simply my Catholic duty to give less respect where less respect is due. That’s all. It would, as I said, go against good conscience to call afford him the dignity owing to a Vicar of Christ which, although he might be a vote pope, he is no vicar of Christ. I have noticed however that people have a tendency to think a comment is more than it’s words. at any rate, not bitter, just battling against the forces of evil.
Catholic thinker: In all honesty i’m still not quite sure what a sede vacantist is. It woud seem they are Faithful Catholics, with vaild orders, who are genuinely trying to save their own and others souls in the Traditional tried and true way and who care deeply about those being deceived by the concilliar church. I think that’s something most people could agree upon. as for whether a sede vacantist believes there is no pope, or a person called the pope who may as well be called diablo, I can’t seem to get a clear grasp. I’ve read some of msgr williamson’s latest liberal = SV posts and find them bizarre. How he can equate faithless diabolically disoriented liberals with Faithful Catholics who are willing to go into exile for their faith seems disingenuous, but then apparently he’s a bit of a genius and I, clearly, am not. at any rate, i don’t think i could accept a lable – that is sede vacantist – that I don’t really understand. my position outside of the labels would be – the concilliar church is not the True Church – one of these things is not like the other – it is the leopard the HAS changed its spots, which, we all know, cannot happen, which means it was never the real leopard. the VII I think, simply is what it appears to be, a modernist usurper, and the Concilliar popes, starting with Roncalli, are what they appear to be, for most part treacherous deceivers willing to spin a little tradition to keep people confused.
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Cardinal Pie said the visible Church would eventually be reduced to the individual and domestic proportions. I think this is very prophetic of him.
Thanks for the feedback. If I come across some sites that strike me as teaching an authentic Catholicism I think it is a good idea if we try to share it around. Despite the labels on various traditional Catholics there is still way more cohesion in Faith in Trad Catholics WITH the True Faith than in any new-age new-church Frankie Catholics who seem to care about the new brand Catholic and evolving the brand, but don’t seem to give a toss about the Catholic Faith.