Tyranny most humble

Louie,

VATICAN-RELIGION-POPE-ASSUMPTIONI ended the last post by suggesting that the Extraordinary Synod appears to be setting the stage for showing the world what tyranny looks like in action. Given the humble pope’s dismantling of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, I probably should have added yet again, but be that as it may…

One may well wonder what that tyranny might look like in practice.

It may very well be that the interventions given at the Extraordinary Synod, and the reactions of bishops worldwide thereto, is going to serve as the mechanism by which Pope Francis will separate the sheep from the goats, such as he sees them, in the year to come.

In other words, he will use what he has learned in order to further identify those in the episcopate and the College of Cardinals who do not share his most merciful agenda as expressed on his behalf by Cardinal Kasper at the Consistory in February.

In the period of time leading up to the Ordinary Synod of 2015, the Holy Father will set about dispatching with those men who are guilty of the unforgiveable crime of “longing for a monolithic body of doctrine … leaving no room for nuance” (cf Evangelii Gaudium 40) thus setting the stage for an Apostolic Exhortation enshrining his abominable ideas under the guise of “synodality.”

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  1. John Allen at Crux reported that the fired bishop of Ciudad del Este has predicted a schism. Anybody have a translation of the bishop’s words?

  3. Very astute observations, Mr V. It will be most interesting to see if it plays out, if the Pope does indeed use this gathering to identify his adversaries.

    He is an odd duck, to be sure.

  4. All Tyranny is only Temporary Truth is Eternal and victorious.
    C .Burke used it to refute Cardinal Kasper’s ideas- interview [Oct 9th] (video linked by S.Armaticus’ comment #18 Oct 10, 2014 post )
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    Q: (Arroyo to Burke) “The Pope said [Kasper’s]was profound theology…done on one’s knees”. Given that kind of Papal endorsement, was there any hesitency to critique what Cardinal Casper was saying?”
    A: (Burke) “I have to say that, no, thank God.. a number of Cardinals spoke very immediately and very clearly because the presentation of Cardinal Kasper was such that it demanded a strong response.” “Otherwise, to give the impression that what he said was acceptable, would have been heading us down in a direction contrary to Our Lord’s own teaching, His very words in the Gospel.”
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    Q: Cardinal Pell, Scola, Muller, many others have joined thier voices to this chorus. Who, in the college of Cardinals, are supportive of Cardinal Kasper’s position at this point?
    A: “The media have really promoted this..for the last 9 months.” “Cardinal Marx said that the German Bishops were all supporting him..” “I don’t believe that.
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    Q: Cardinal Kasper is stunned (about the book “Remaining in the Truth of Christ”) says this is political and not the way we are to do things in the Church.
    A: “The book is at the service of the Truth about Marriage” “When C.Kasper asked for dialoge about this and response…we prepared a response. “” This has been always the Church’s teaching, this isn’t something that’s recent.”
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    Q: The Pope himself said of the Orthodox “After a period of penance, they give a second chance”…they allow this.”
    A: When our Lord said to the pharisees who were trying to trick him, “it was not this way from the beginning”, our Lord underscored that the indissolubility of marriage is part of the natural, moral law. Then He teaches very clearly.” “He said, “The man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.”…”Marriage is for life.” “To give another chance, ..that has no meaning.” …”It seems to me it’s clear they understand they are not doing what the Lord has commanded us.”
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    Q: Kaser describes it as a “merciful process.” “if there is a second “solid” marriage…”
    A: What’s wrong with that path of mercy is that it doesn’t respect the truth.” How can that way justify telling them a lie about the fact that they’re bound to another marriage?
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    Q: Kasper said,[America Mag] ” We cannot simply take one phrase of the Gospel of Jesus and from that deduce everything…discipline can change, so I think we have here a theological fundamentalism that is not Catholic”
    A: “If we don’t take seriously every word of Our Lord,..we’re certainly not the Church, we’re not His Mystical Body.” “To try to drive a wedge between discipline and doctrine is simply false in the Catholic Church because every discipline is at the service of a teaching or some Sacred reality to safeguard and promote it.” If it’s being fundamentalist to hold strictly to the teaching on Marriage, well then I’m happy to be a fundamentalist.”
    [Us, too.] 🙂

  5. Cardinal Kasper’s first 12 years, 1933-45, were spent in Nazi Germany. Does anybody know what his family’s stance was toward the Third Reich?
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    We know Pope Benedict’s family was anti-Nazi, and he was forced into the Hitler Youth and military service against his will.
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    The Nazis insisted the all-powerful centralized State, not the Church, decided marriage matters, including what races could marry one another, and who could divorce whom.
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    Just wondering.

  6. An excellent analysis of Cardinal Burke’s broadside shot at the revolution.
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    Fr. Z writes:
    “Ed Peters, canonist extraordinaire, has a useful recap of Card. Burke’s video interview with Raymond Arroyo of EWTN. Peters points to the minute and second mark of certain of the Cardinal’s comments and then adds his own helpful commentary.”
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    Link here: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/10/play-by-play-card-burkes-video-interview-recap/
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    Well worth the read.

  9. Dear Frankill:
    I would not reduce the German mindset to “What did Kasper/family do during the Third Reich?”.
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    The Third Reich is nothing more than an extension of the social/military/political order that arose out of the reforms that Bismark introduce during the Wars of German Unification. This unified German social order helped to break the back of the smaller principalities by creating a German identity based on a rigid social order controlled by the omnipotent German state apparatus.
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    If we look at today’s Germany… and Euroland by extention… we see the same mechanism at work.
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    There are some people who even go as far as saying that Euroland is nothing more than the Third Reich, less the uniforms. 😉

    was nothing more than a continuation of the Prussian social order evolved in the eastern German land inherited from the Teutonic religious order, radicalized by the protestant revolution.

  10. The above should read:
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    And some would even be as bold as to say that the it was nothing more than a continuation of the Prussian social order evolved in the eastern German land inherited from the Teutonic religious order, radicalized by the protestant revolution. 🙂

  11. Of course, Bergoglio should not be given this power. More important than the natural moral law is the God who authors it. I am not going to try to convince others here, as I understand that, especially for the laity in the current era, everyone has to make their own way through complex reasoning. What is more, this is only a blog comment. What I do want to do is address the Almighty in public by writing that I cannot recognize Jorge Bergoglio’s claim to be pope of Christ’s Holy Catholic Church because I cannot recognize him as Catholic.
     

    For me, the first bombshell was when Bergoglio wrote to Scalfari that he “would not speak about ‘absolute’ truths, even for believers”. He now says that “God does not exist: Do not be shocked!”. I will never make that assertion, I refuse ever to quote Bergoglio’s utterance with approval, and, given its content, I must reject his claim to be the representative on earth of a man who is the “non-existent” God.
     

    Bergoglio’s comment is beyond heresy. It is a denial of natural theology. It is a rejection of religion before we even get to Revelation (although it also contradicts the dogmatic teaching of the Vatican Council). 
     

    As an aside, Bergoglio remarked to Spodaro that “God manifests himself in time and is present in the processes of history. This gives priority to actions that give birth to new historical dynamics. And it requires patience, waiting”. I compare what the Catholic Encyclopedia wrote a hundred years before, as follows:
    “The…Hegelian plan…implies…that God is only in so far as He is conceived under the category of Becoming [as opposed to Being]; God is a process. It is by this doctrine, which is…so utterly repugnant to the Christian mind, that Hegel’s philosophy is to be judged.”
     

    “Utterly repugnant to the Christian mind” describes so much of what Bergoglio purports to preach. As I mentioned I am not trying to convince anyone else, but I believe it is my duty to God to dissociate myself from the Bergoglian farce. I would, however, like to ask the following of Bp. Fellay:
    Exactly a year ago today, you seemed to be on the verge of completing the following syllogism –
    1. “Of course, the election of a heretic, schismatic, or female would be null and void.” (Catholic Encyclopedia, on “Papal Elections”)
    2. “We have in front of us a genuine Modernist!” (Bp. Fellay on Bergoglio)
    Therefore…?
     

    Why does the conclusion that logic dictates not follow?

  13. First of all, A BIG “WELL DONE” to the Rorate Caeli blog.
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    Topic: The persecution of the FFI
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    The EF blog states:
    “One of those critics described Father Alfonso Bruno, who was imposed by the Commissioner and is the Secretary General and spokesman of the Order, as “Mr. Nobody”. The charges against the six priests remain vague in Father Alfonso Burno’s description. Compared to the poor reproaches, the penalties seem excessive. Bruno’s anger was directed chiefly against the American website Rorate Caeli , which had dared to point out that disproportion.
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    Looks like the modernist’s not only wear Prada, but read the Rorate Caeli blog likewise. 🙂
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    PS Oh yea. An archbishop in the Phillipines b****h-slaps Francis. 😉

  14. Bergoglio’s motto should be “Speak humbly, but carry a Big Stick”. Of course the big stick would be branded with the words “Down with Tradition!” Bergoglio is trying very hard to appear humble and sweet, while Kasper, the Unfriendly Evil Ghost, does his dirty work. As always, excellent commentary from Mr. V.

  15. Dumb Ox, in answer to your question, I think it is because although the logic is inherently true, in practice, there must be some formal declaration by those in the Church with the requisite authority.

  17. “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves.’ (Matthew 17:15). Who would have ever thought that this would apply to a Pope? As if the waters of the Church are not murky enough after VII, now this synod is going to cast its own dye in the waters and let them disperse for a year. How can one separate all this heretical filth from the waters once it has been cast? Then 2015 synod will just confirm the heresies which for a year will fester throughout the Church.

  18. I find it odd that “Do nothing. Keep the annulment process intact while strengthening the process” is not one of the merciful options listed in this mid-term paper.

    Cardinal Burke pointed out recently that having a thorough annulment process IS merciful. He intimated that it is in the best interests of both parties to make an informed juridical decision about a marriage. This idea covers the spouse who may be injured in the case, as well as the SOUL of the party that has done the injuring.

    Nowhere do we read about the salvation of either soul. Call me naive but I thought that was the only purpose for the Church – the salvation of our souls. It is obvious to say but the Church gives us priests, who give us the Sacraments which are the means God uses to give us sanctifying grace necessary for salvation. Everything that surrounds this basic mission is extra – but should not be touched as it helps keep all of us facing the same way, so to speak.

    This kind of subtlety seems beyond the Kasperites.

    Cardinal Burke must be feeling very low today. He seemed to say in his last few interviews that he can’t imagine any basic changes to any of what’s being discussed. There was a puzzlement in his demeanour that speaks volumes – hope he continues to speak out.

  19. We should not repeat the false mantras of the world, not even in irony or satire. let us call him a most proud tyrant, not a humble one, let us not give the word humble a bad rap by association!

  20. Dear S.Armaticus,
    Thanks for bringing this to our attention– it’s so pertinent to what’s happening.
    .-Fr. Dariusz Oko, (Ph.D. and priest of the Archdiocese of Krakow) wrote “Standing with the Pope [Benedict] against homoheresy,” (2012).
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    THE PROBLEM: (Until Benedect tackled the homo-lobby openly “..everything was blocked at lower levels of local or Vatican hierarchy”)
    –“They shield one another-offer mutual support.. aim at holding positions which offer power and money. When they achieve a decision-making position, they promote

    and advance mostly those whose nature is similar to theirs, or at least who are known to be too weak to oppose them..(creating) a “backroom elite” which actually has tremendous power in deciding about important nominations and the whole life of the Church. They may even prove to be too powerful for honest, well-meaning bishops.”
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    BENEDICT’S EFFORTS: “Benedict publicly lamented its “filth” ..“He removed compromised clergymen from their offices “..in 2005, he had an instruction issued to strictly forbid ordaining untreated homosexuals. The instruction was preceded by a letter sent from the Holy See to bishops around the world, ordering that priests with homosexual tendencies be immediately removed from educational functions at seminaries.” (in 2008, Benedict issued a directive forbidding even non-practicing homosexuals from becoming seminarians.)
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    FR. OKO’S CALL TO ACTION & PREDICTION: “We must clearly and explicitly admit: yes, there is a strong homosexual underground in the Church.”..It is a matter of remaining faithful to one’s conscience: defending the truth of salvation, no matter how much it should cost us.” “If homolobbyists are allowed to act freely, in a dozen or so years they may destroy entire congregations and dioceses”. “.. like the beginning of the Reformation, when entire countries and nations left the Church.”
    — “Active homosexual priests are masters of camouflage.. who take advantage of their functions on their own behalf, sometimes in an extraordinarily devious way.” ..”We must act like a prosecutor or an officer in the battlefield”.”Their global network must be counterbalanced by a network of honest people.”
    •The Internet makes it possible to create a global community of people concerned about the fate of the Church..
    • find .. clergymen, as high in the hierarchy as possible, experts in various fields, archive records specialists, lawyers, policemen, journalists, and as many
    believers as possible; … exchange information, documents, and evidence.
    •”The more we know, the more we can do…. We must have the courage to stand up against evildoers, as Christ had the courage to stand up against the Pharisees of his times; We cannot build our lives on sweet illusions, for only “the truth will set you free” (John 8:32) “God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of a sound mind” (2 Tim 1:7)
    .. “recognize them by their fruit”
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    http://www.tldm.org/News20/CatholicExpertDetailsHugeHomosexualUndergroundInTheChurch.htm

  21. The issue of when a heretical pope actually loses office, I think, will keep coming up again and again.
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    LOUIS- I know this is a difficult topic, as it touches the very heart of our faith in terms of the indefectibility of the Church. Nevertheless, I would appreciate a whole separate post on this topic, with Louis’ opinion on the matter.
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    That the Church needs to first confirm that the Pope is indeed a heretic is a proposition that, in my mind, has a lot of problems with it, especially if one imagines how exactly that would play out….and I am still not convinced that it is what the Church teaches anyway. It is a theory only.
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    Here is one such scenario that is problematic: Pope Francis orders priests to give communion to adulterers. I believe he then loses the Pontificate, objectively speaking. Should a priest obey the Pope, as he must, under pain of sin, until the Pope is officially deposed by some subset of the Cardinals? …But then he sins mortally by giving communion in this case. Or, does the priest recognise Francis’ loss of authority, and then not commit the sin of giving communion in this case? ….and this scenario does not even seem that far-fetched anymore!!

  22. Dear Peter,
    From what we’ve seen since March 13, 2013, Francis is more likely not to officially “order” anything, but to continue preaching his Jesuit version of Jesus -with its perverted notions of charity and mercy that ignore repentance and hell- while making the offering of the Eucharist a “pastoral” decision on a cases-by-case basis, -thus leaving individual priests free to continue practicing their modernism while others reject it. Of course those who dare to speak out publicly against these unholy “pastoral “options” will likely be re-assigned to the ebola-quarantine unit of their local hospital, to care for the comatose–or some equivalently promising duty. .
    But don’t forget the history of Divine intervention–such as the day the Angel took Lot from Sodom, or the moment the last animal boarded the Ark. ” people were ” eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage” –right up until the moment the flood came and swept them all away.”
    -We’ve been told the angel with the fiery sword now says to the people of earth, “Penance, Penance, Penance.” And if you’re not keen on the alleged 3rd secret, how about Akita’s message that the next deluge will consist of fire, which goes along with what 2nd Peter says of the times with false prophets:
    . [17] These are fountains without water,… speaking proud words of vanity, they allure by the desires of fleshly riotousness, those who for a little while escape, such as converse in error: [19] Promising them liberty, whereas they themselves are the slaves of corruption. … their latter state is become unto them worse than the former. .. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice, than after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them…pigs wallowing again in the mire….” deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts,… wilfully ignorant..
    ..[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.
    [7] But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire … the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men….]
    — The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance. [10] But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melted with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up…
    –[13] But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to his promises, in which justice dwelleth.
    …, dearly beloved, waiting for these things, be diligent that you may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace. [15] And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation.. grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. “

  24. On the homoheresy and the original point of my comment: Hitler and many of the other top National Socialists were homosexuals, as shown in the books, “The Pink Swastika” and “The Hidden Hitler.”

  25. rcaamo,
    If memory serves, just heat the water to 212°F, (100°C), condense the vapor and collect in a pure vessel. The fires are comin’.

  26. Dear Indignus Famulus,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Yes, it is certainly possible that Francis will not make a definitive statement. But is he opens up the possibility for priests or national conferences to decide on the matter, ultimately we could then trace back the permission to Francis if any priest or body of bishops permitted it….so, he would not be off the hook, and the Church would still be leading souls to hell in that case….all of which is impossible if Francis were validly Pope.

    And yes, it is certainly pious to believe that God will intervene before any of these evil disciplines become official, if thye ever do. However, to my mind, this is not certain, and therefore it is prudent, especially considering Francis’ behavior thus far, to carefully consider the consequences should God allow this to happen…and you know, the sins of the world certainly warrant a crisis in the Church of this magnitude.

  27. What are they going to be doing this week? Will the mid-term paper be the only thing coming out? Does it then go into each diocese for ‘discussion’ with priests and laity? Or will this week be a refinement of this document? I think Louie has it right: there is going to be a mess coming out of this…but that’s what Pope Francis said he wanted no? A mess…

    Hell.

  28. Dear Frankill:
    Somehow I find it hard to believe that Hitler’s regime did not follow natural law. I find it even harder to believe that Hitler would allow his top aides to be “aberrosexuals” (common term used in that era in that geography).
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    But then again, I find it hard to believe that Pius XII was a Nazi collaborator also.
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    Anyways, maybe it would be wise to take advantage of the old saying to “believe nothing that you read, and only half of what you see”.

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