With the alleged publication of the Third Secret of Fatima in the year 2000, the Vatican embarked on a magnificent campaign of deception that was designed to bury Our Lady’s warnings once and for all.
Part and parcel of that effort was an attempt to discredit, and ultimately silence, men like Fr. Nicholas Gruner, who tirelessly called for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary according to Our Lord’s wishes; thus opening the floodgates of grace that would effect that nation’s conversion and usher in the unprecedented period of peace that Our Lady had promised.
Among those deeply involved in the cover-up operation, both at the time and right up to the present day, was one Archbishop (now Cardinal) Tarcisio Bertone, who as Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith wrote the introduction to the CDF’s publication of the Third Secret.
Presenting what currently stands as the official Vatican position, Bertone insisted that the consecration of the world to the “Mother of all men” as made by Pope John Paul II some sixteen years earlier had fulfilled Our Lady’s request.
In support of this claim, Bertone cited a letter allegedly written by Sr. Lucia on 8 November 1989, wherein she supposedly stated:
“Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984.”
Fr. Gruner often referred to this alleged correspondence from the hand of the Fatima seer as a “fake letter,” and those associated with the Fatima Center weren’t the only persons to dismiss it as such.
In the aftermath of the CDF’s efforts, well-known secular Italian journalist Antonio Socci set out to investigate the matter.
He was determined to produce evidence that would show beyond any reasonable doubt that the Vatican had revealed the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and that men like Fr. Nicholas Gruner are nothing more than conspiracy theorists and crackpots.
Much to Socci’s astonishment, however, he came to discover the exact opposite; including the fact that the consecration was not done and that the letter cited by Bertone is just as Fr. Gruner insisted; a fake.
Ultimately, Socci published his findings in the 2006 book, Il Quarto Segreto di Fatima (The Fourth Secret of Fatima).
So intent was Cardinal Bertone to defend himself and the “company line” that he had towed so faithfully over the years that he wrote a book of his own seeking to embarrass Socci and to refute his conclusions.
Writing for the Fatima Center, Christopher Ferrara provided an overview of the feud in an article entitled, “Civil War Rages in Rome Over Third Secret of Fatima.”
Mr. Ferrara writes:
Another self-inflicted wound is Bertone’s statement that “Sister Lucy never worked with a computer.” Here Bertone forgets that, when it was expedient for him to do so, he asserted precisely the opposite: that Sister Lucy “even used a computer” in 1989 — a claim that, as Socci notes, “served to accredit certain letters that Sister Lucy had not written in her own hand and which contradicted everything she had said before on the consecration of Russia.” Bertone has thus undermined all claims that Sister Lucy was the author of those letters.
I would encourage even the most well-informed readers to visit the Fatima Center website to read Mr. Ferrara’s article in its fullness, as the arguments presented therein are as relevant today as ever.
Readers might also consider encouraging those innocent seekers who as yet do not know the full truth about Fatima to do likewise.
On second thought, strike that latter suggestion…
You see, those who might venture further into the Fatima Center’s website in order to read Mr. Ferrara’s most recent articles (and why wouldn’t they?) are likely to come away terribly confused.
They may even come to the conclusion that the Vatican’s official position on Fatima as defended by Cardinal Bertone is entirely correct, and that Sr. Lucia really did author that 1989 letter declaring that the consecration of Russia “has been done just as Our Lady asked on 25 March 1984.”
Clearly, if this be so, then the blood, sweat and tears shed by Fr. Nicholas Gruner over the course of several decades were all for naught, and the Fatima Center itself, his legacy, is little more than a stale joke.
One may rightly ask:
How can one be so misled simply by reading the content posted on the Fatima Center’s very own website?
The unfortunate answer is that, in spite of any good intentions on the part of individual people, the Fatima Center has lost its way.
Rather than remaining steadfast in the mission of defending the message of Fatima from compromise and corruption, the new Fatima Center has chosen to engage in “spin” (not my word); accentuating what may seem to be the “positive” or true while deliberately overlooking that which is clearly “negative” or false.
I’ve previously cited two specific examples in this space:
One, the painting of Ronald Reagan as a disciple of Fatima who supposedly learned of the apparition at the knee of Pope John Paul II – the man who singlehandedly bears more responsibility than any other for the cover-up under discussion here.
Secondly, the uncritical praise being heaped upon Cardinal Raymond Burke in spite of his rather bold attempts to wed the message of Fatima to the Second Vatican Council, the New Evangelization, and the aforementioned propagandizing pope.
A visitor to the new Fatima Center’s homepage will find no less than two articles dedicated to the latter, the most recent being the last in a three part series that labors to defend Cardinal Burke’s nonsensical claim that a pope cannot teach error; as if to equate “teaching” with “binding.” (A position that I refuted HERE.)
This particular article aptly demonstrates what happens when one casts their lot with a man (in this case, Cardinal Burke) as opposed to applauding truth for its own sake, while also condemning error regardless of who the agent may happen to be.
In other words, Cardinal Burke has apparently been anointed the new Fatima Center’s “Cardinal Prince,” and as such, he must be defended; even if that means overlooking his most egregious errors and offenses against Our Lady.
In any case, the article ends with the following:
Clearly, the Cardinal knows he has a duty to the Church and to souls to make the promised public correction. Let us hope and pray that he does his duty to confront a situation he himself has so rightly linked to the failure to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
“Linked” in this case provides readers with one-click access to a LifeSite News article applauding Cardinal Burke’s speech at the Roman Life Forum calling for a “renewed” consecration of Russia.
This is the same speech that the new Fatima Center hails as “a very happy development” in its other homepage article. Elsewhere on the website, Mr. Ferrara, with this same speech in mind, applauds Cardinal Burke for his “courageous declarations” and his “intellectual honesty.”
Again, all of this in spite of Burke’s bold attempts to wed the message of Fatima to the Second Vatican Council, the New Evangelization, and Pope John Paul II.
(I might also remind readers that this is the same speech that the Remnant heralded as a “total vindication” of Fr. Gruner.)
If this isn’t problematic enough, the Cardinal Prince of the new Fatima Center was recently asked about his call for a “renewed” consecration of Russia in an interview with the Wanderer.
The interviewer asked:
According to Documents on Fátima (from the Fatima Family Apostolate), Sr. Lucia wrote on August 29, 1989 [sic] that Pope St. John Paul II’s consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984 fulfilled Our Lady’s request. At the Rome Life Forum about three months ago, you urged the Catholic faithful to “work for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” What does the consecration you are calling for entail; is it more than the Pope simply naming Russia explicitly?
To which Cardinal Burke stressed, in part, that he is “in no way denying John Paul’s intention to include Russia when he consecrated the world to her Immaculate Heart.”
He then went a step further, adamantly declaring:
To repeat, the consecration I called for is in no way to call into question what Sr. Lucia said about St. John Paul II fulfilling what Our Lady asked for. It is simply to respond to that request one more time and consecrate Russia in an explicit way. At the same time, it is the right and duty of the faithful to ask Pope Francis to do this consecration.
Did you get that?
The Cardinal Prince of the new Fatima Center has placed himself shoulder-to-shoulder with Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone; stating in no uncertain terms that the consecration of Russia “has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984” such as it was allegedly confirmed by Sr. Lucia in a letter that Fr. Gruner and the old Fatima Center vehemently rejected as “fake.”
In so doing, Cardinal Burke is making of Our Lady a liar as Russia clearly remains unconverted, and the polar opposite of peace is reigning throughout not only the world but the Church herself.
His Eminence made the comments under review here in an interview published three weeks ago today, and still, all indications are that he remains the Cardinal Prince of the new Fatima Center.
Had Cardinal Burke made this claim at any time prior to the passing of Fr. Nicholas Gruner, can there be any doubt that the Fatima Center (likely via the pen of Mr. Ferrara) would have swiftly called him to account for this terrible affront to Our Blessed Lady?
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Trads need to accept that the time for the consecration of Russia is over. It was not done and the world suffered WWII and Russia’s error were spread and infected the entire planet. Now the Church is leaderless. There is no Pope and relatively few Bishops left who profess the Catholic faith (both east and latin rite). The V2 NO sect has corrupted the Fatima message and uses it as a carrot to keep trads hoping that the illusive consecration will one day occur and all will be restored. That train left the station. The modernists use Fatima to fool you fools into thinking they are the Popes and Bishops. And you fall for the lie because you are blinded by the prize.
Usually Chris Ferrara makes very sound and logical arguments in his articles, but this last series just doesn’t sit right with me. To me it seems he is simply saying that if the Pope says something Catholic, he can be considered to be teaching magisterially. If the Pope says something not Catholic, he can’t be considered to be teaching magisterially. How can this be a shepherd with the task of taking care of the sheep? It would be like the Principal telling the math students that their new math teacher is teaching authentic math when what he says matches the math book and what has always been taught, but when he says something that doesn’t match the book or what has previously been taught, he isn’t really teaching.
Soobs, you just outlined the whole R&R, SSPX, Remnant position in a nutshell. Basically put, you are the arbiter of what is Catholic when a Pope speaks. That is why sede is the only option I was left with.
This is an unholy mess, and cannot be sorted out.
We need God to intervene, there is no other answer. We have no power and no influence save prayer.
It might seem like an off the wall comment but a consecration of Russia must be made by a valid Pope so it cannot have been done since 1958 and cannot be done at the present time. A consecration by an enemy of Christ and of Mary would be an insult to our Lord and our Lady. So let’s not ask the man who despises everything Catholic to make an act which for him would be a sacrilege.
We have passed the era outlined atFatima. There is no fulfilling Our Lady’s request at this juncture. That is certain. The consecration of Russia was supposed to take place decades ago and the Third Secret was to have been revealed in 1960. Since those two events did not happen, there is no point trying to save the narrative. The Pope’s unbelievable and sacrilegious announcement in 2000 that he was the ‘Bishop in White’ and that the message was all about him!! And in the past–pertaining to the evils of the 20th Century was the deathknell for Rome. Done. Remember how we crossed the threshold of hope that year into the bliss of the new millenium?!?..the great jubilee that he promised when the world would all be free of those evils! The Novus Ordo is not substantially the Catholic Church so having a group of apostate bishops from this outfit consecrate anything is impossible To begin with. THEY ARE THE THIRD SECRET THEMSELVES!
Does anyone know (or if his grandma knows) if a divorced Catholic (not remarried at all) was allowed to receive the Holy Eucharist before Vatican II regardless if he initiated the divorce? The reason I asked was the late John Vennarni said an old lady has not received the Holy Eucharist for many years because her understanding is a divorced person can not receive Holy Communion. What is the position of the Sedevacantist on this issue. With no fault divorce in America shouldn’t both parties refrain from the Holy Eucharist.
Everyone should listen to one of the last if not the last public talks of Fr. Gruner, though he was never a Sedevacantist but what he said shows a convergence between his position and the Seds. He said “Russia’s consecration will not be done until after the Third Secret is released” and the main point of the Third Secret is the Evil Council and Apostasy from the top(Popes of Vatican II) so what Fr. Gruner was saying that the Consecration will be done AFTER the Church is cleaned up, Vatican II is condemned. So there is really no point of asking for Consecration now but a conversion and condemnation of Vatican II.
If, by abundant grace, this invalid pope were to abjure his heresies and commit himself to the true Catholic faith, I believe he would have to be reconsecrated as pope. At that point, if he consecrates Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in union with all true believing bishops, I believe it will have the desired effect, Russia will be converted and a period of peace will be given to the world.
But Russia has already spread her errors. Its too late for the consecration. The consecration was meant to prevent WWII and the spread of communist ideology. Its too late, Communism has infected practically every world institution including the Vatican. We are living what Our Lady predicted would happen if Russia was not consecrated. No its too late, there is no true Pope and only a handful of true Bishops left.
Reagan is a saint to most American neo-“c”onservative “c”atholics. Your calling out this falsehood is brave, but will not gain much traction in an age when so-called “t”raditionalists, such as the phoney huckster “Fr.” Richard Heilman, are promoting private revelations about Saint Donald Trump rebuilding a Catholic America.
God bless you for your courage and love for the Truth, nonetheless.
We are in the era of “too late” as referred to by Our Lady. The message of Fatima should have been revealed in 1960 as Our Lady requested. If the message was heeded, there would have been no Vatican II. Without Divine Intervention, we could stop waiting for the proper consecration of Russia. It is what it is. Nothing good could come out of perverted evil Modernist Rome, which is not only unCatholic, but antiCatholic.
Interesting article re the two Sister Lucias from Rad Trad Thomist (Dr. P. Chojnowski):
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/08/the-elephant-in-room-what-happened-to.html
I am grateful to you, Louie, for bravely exposing the Truth, all while never abandoning Holy Mother Church. She is under attack, just as Our Lady of Good Success said that She would be during our time. I pray that we live to witness The Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart and the complete restoration of The Church. How wonderful this victory will be!
Thank you for carrying the “Torch” for the benefit of those still devoted to Our Lady and for those who deserve to know Her truth. Who is left to give their lives to this? What an incredible incredible responsibility which has been entrusted to you. I trust and pray that you will persevere only in Truth. I cannot imagine how else any of this would be worth it to you if you didn’t. Stay committed. You are surely in the thick of it. God bless you. You are an inspiration.
So glad you’re not here for any traction. May your reward be great in Heaven!
Happy Feast Day of The Beheading of St. John the Baptist. May you find strength through his intercession.
I received a letter from Miriam Gruner today explaining that the Fatima center was no longer going to be affiliated with the servants of Jesus and Mary and that they would be moving their center . She stated that certain priests were influencing the Apostolate in a direction other than that which the good Fr Gruner would support.
Oh dear. Well that’s a good lead that the Cardo-prince is on track to highjack the stage. I mean look at the new”church built recently in Fatima” abomination as a twisted house of “prayer ” Seriously? Look at the blasphemous temple devoted to St Padre Pio with Masonic design and worship workshops to Baphomet. All sponsored by the Not so Secret Squirrels in aprons and white gloves! Tom is correct. The consecration was to be done by Pius 12th. He hesitated . Jolly John 23 dug a hole and buried the original. Why? Here’s why. The message was direct to himself And his Successors warts and all. The Fiasco Frank’s actions and global dialogue flying First Class are proof that La Salette AND Fatima have been accomplished. Period. What Our Heavenly Mother told us has happened Get that in spades if you wish.
The cruel dismantling of the Sacraments and demolishion of Orders both priestly and congregational meaning vocations substituted by limp twisted and twisted gays is a roadmarker on the Highway to Perdition. A triple satanic treat all the while careful not to spook the lambs with too much tradition lest they bolt for Higher Pastures as the Psalms wrote in ps24. Stay the course keep the Faith. Collect the prize. Near peaceful waters He leads me to rest, the quiet waters by.
Keep watch on the Council of the malignant lest we fall victim to thier bribes. Our Lady of Good Success. Ora pro nobis.
Well, dear Theresa! That certainly confirms all that Louie ha been telling us!
Thank you for this valuable information!
I look forward to MY letter from Miriam Gruner. I will check the mail today.
It is your judgment that the consecration is too late, not Our Lady’s. While the consecration of France to The Sacred Heart of Jesus was indeed too late and consequences followed. In God’s good time, the chastisement delivered to France due to the defiance of God’s plan, will eventually work to it’s salvation and the spiritual benefit of Europe. In the same way, the defiance of Our Lady’s request for the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart, is also late, but how late is late? In God’s inscrutable plan it is likely that while Russia may not have been previously converted, it may still be possible to consecrate Russia with a validly elected and consecrated pope, which all of us on this blog recognize as a vital precondition for such a consecration. Russia, I believe is part of God’s plan for righting the Catholic Church. Our Lady is telegraphing that information to us. Whether the “popes” fulfilled her requests or not is irrelevant. Christ, the head of the Catholic Church, will not abandon us. If one of these “popes” had done the consecration according to her wishes, then yes the exact spiritual benefits Our Lady mentioned, would follow. While we must suffer a chastisement as a result of their apostasy and disobedience, that does not mean that Christ will not win in the end with the Church triumphant.
It is my opinion based on what Our Lady said would happen if Russia wasn’t consecrated. What I read whenever the subject is Fatima is always some plea or hope of a Pope consecrating Russia and the whole world will be made right again. This isnt what She said. She do it or else. The “or else” has happened. There is no promise that the period of peace will follow if done now. Maybe it will, but that is not part of the Fatima message.
Dear Soobs,
In concurrence with Tom A, in a nutshell, you have summed up very well in your succinctness, the position of the so called, “Recognize and Resist Traditionalist” ideology, fully anti-Catholic from its very ontological essence. Chris Ferrara, in his latest of the most recent 3 part diatribe, which he has written at the “Fatima Center” and Louie links above, undermines his entire argument in the very first paragraph, when he brings Pope John XII into the picture as an example of what he calls a Pope’s “personal magisterium”, whatever that is, as it would seem that he has just crafted that false idiomatic expression himself. The reality is as the Blessed Saint and Doctor of Holy Mother Church, Robert Bellarmine has edified it, in “De Controversiis On the Roman Pontiff “, in Book IV, chapter XIV. Thus, writing the reality as reality about Pope John XXII as Saint Bellarmine has established it, as a matter of the Ecclesial, historical record, let it be understood precisely, that what Chris Ferrara has done is to invoke a logical fallacy in creating a non-sequitur, which he proffers as truth, and then he builds upon this, at once creating his straw-man argument about a pontiff’s (sm case intended here) so called “personal magisterium”.
Chris Ferrara posits his claim that a true Holy Roman Pontiff, as the Vicar of Christ Jesus, can opine theologically in such a manner which is publically known and as thus in the external forum, in utter and complete contradistinction to the defined dogmas of Holy Mother Church, and there is no problem in that matter of public discourse by the Pontiff as Pontiff, because it is simply a matter of his so called, “personal magisterium”; and that “personal magisterium”, in the mind of Ferrara, somehow does not enter into an understanding as being an utter internal contradiction by a Pontiff as Pontiff, placing an affront to what Holy Mother Church teaches deFide from Her Universal Magisterium, and as thus having the Pontiff embrace heresy as Pontiff, placing him outside of the Catholic Church. Ferrara conflates the error of the true Pope John XXII, in acting as theologian in a matter which was not yet dogmatically defined, thus not yet settled by the Church, with the pernicious and malignant attack of Holy Mother Church and all that She holds as dogmatic reality over the centuries, by this emissary of Lucifer, Jorge from hell, Bergoglio. If this were true Soobs, it would be as if the Holy Roman Pontiff could enter a room and say:
“Children, as you must have the faith of a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, please disregard what I am about to say, as what I am about to say is utterly contrary to the teaching of Holy Mother Church and as thus will cause you scandal to a degree that may encourage you to lose your faith, but don’t worry now, because as your Holy Roman Pontiff, I am not really in this moment right now, speaking as he who I am, rather I am speaking as he who I am not. So children, just relax, let your hair down, and allow me to spew heresy because right now in this moment as I spew heresy, I am he who is not, he who is, the Holy Roman Pontiff.”
This places an affront to the ontological reality of the law of non-contradiction the likes of which indeed does cause the cosmos to shudder. It as if Chris Ferrara is speaking as the Cheshire Cat in “Alice in Wonderland” who vacated the room, while at once he left his “smile” in that same room which he had vacated. This is non-being as being which plays right into the heresy of the dialectical “synthesis” of Hegel.
Again, Chris Ferrara displays an unmitigated hubris in actually conflating the error of the true Pope John XXII, which he made in his legitimate theological discourse, of a matter which had not yet been defined dogmatically, and as thus was not at the time of his theological discourse, a deFide teaching of the Church (therefore, no heresy was embraced by the true Pontiff), with the blasphemous, vitriolic attack of Holy Mother Church by the false pope and apostate, Jorge from hell, so called pope Francis.
Lastly, the words of Saint Bellarmine from “De Controversiis On the Roman Pontiff”, Book IV, CH. XIV:
” I respond: first, to Adrian. John [Pope John XXII], at that time, really thought that souls would not see God unless it were after the resurrection: others so reckoned when still it was lawful without danger of heresy, since still no definition of the Church had gone before him. John, moreover, wished to define the question, but while still preparing and in consultations, died, as Benedict XII, his successor, witnessed in Extravagantes which begins; Benedictus Deus, the whole of which Alphonsus a Castro relates.
Furthermore, John Villanus relates that Pope John, before his death, partly declared and even partly recanted his opinion. First, it is on good evidence that he never had it in his mind, although he had spoken on this matter, to define the question, rather only to treat it so as to discover the truth. Next, he added that John already thought the opinion was the more probable, that asserts the souls of the blessed enjoy the divine vision even before the day of judgment, and he embraced this opinion, unless at some time the Church would have defined otherwise, and he subjected all his teachings freely to its definition. This \retraction simply teaches that the mind of Pope John XXII was always good and Catholic.”
I pray this helps. In caritas.
Let’s not forget that the mention of Russia is not the only thing required by Almighty God for the Consecration of Russia. Also necessary is that the Consecration be COLLEGIAl! Just how that will be accomplished through Francis, the Cardinals and the Bishops presently in power CANNOT BE THROWN OUT OF THE DISCUSSION. To pretend that it is possible that Francis & Co. is to disregard reality and abandon reason! The only way a COLLEGIAL Consecration will be made is when the “Sensus Fidee” of Catholics, Prelates, Priests and Laity acknowledge that it is time gather around a true Pope who would be willing to make the required Consecration. As we have heard just recently on this Blog as well as at the RadTrad Thomist Blog, Fr. Gruner did not believe that Francis was Pope. And who of any living leaders knew more about Fatima and the situation in the Church than Father Gruner? With Fr. Gruner gone are faithful Catholics just going to forget about him–as if to say “we know better”?
At Fatima, Our Lady told us that the Consecration would be done, that Russia would be converted and a period of peace would be granted the world. I have one last thing to say to all of you brain dead sedevacantists, “Let the dead bury the dead”.
Dear Rushintuit,
Your vitriolic language does speak as res ipsa loquitur and it is therefore patently clear, that you simply have no love for the other in your midst. As our Blessed Dominus Deus Sabbaoth and Savior has commanded, you can give away all that you own, the shirt off your back and offer even your very life, and I still don’t know you, as you have not acted in the love of Me, and this command He gives even should they will to persecute you and unto death. While you accomplish this with the utter absence of any sense of intellective power, you reach into your entrails where the passions rest, to attack the person with whom you vehemently disagree and you pretend to argue. That is all you can do, pretend, because argument as argument cannot come from that place which is subordinate the intellect. I pray this admonition as admonition helps. In caritas.
Fr Gruner would have rejected the articles and would have called the Cardinal out on his error. If he was alive today bless him, you would see a an article opposing the Cardinal as well as a rehashing of the past events concerning the false claims of Sr Lucy writing such a letter. Fr Gruner never once strayed from the truth of the matter, and he always stood his ground no matter what.