The complex web of lies and deceit being spun out of Rome concerning the Third Secret of Fatima just got a little more tangled.
On May 15, Dr. Maike Hickson, writing for the website 1Peter5, reported that she had spoken directly with Fr. Ingo Dollinger, a longtime personal friend of Benedict XVI, and he confirmed precisely what Fr. Nicholas Gruner and others associated with his efforts had long since claimed:
Not long after the June 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Fr. Dollinger during an in-person conversation that there is still a part of the Third Secret that they have not published! “There is more than what we published,” Ratzinger said. He also told Dollinger that the published part of the Secret is authentic and that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about “a bad council and a bad Mass” that was to come in the near future.
While confirmation is nice, this is old news, so it’s no big deal, right?
Not so fast…
Apparently, it is a big deal; so much so that the Holy See Press Office felt the need to respond with a Communiqué stating:
Several articles have appeared recently, including declarations attributed to Professor Ingo Dollinger according to which Cardinal Ratzinger, after the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima (which took place in June 2000), had confided to him that the publication was not complete.
In this regard, Pope emeritus Benedict XVI declares “never to have spoken with Professor Dollinger about Fatima”, clearly affirming that the remarks attributed to Professor Dollinger on the matter “are pure inventions, absolutely untrue”, and he confirms decisively that “the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete”.
I’ll have more to say about the content of the Communiqué momentarily, but for now let us ask:
Given that this story has already been in circulation for many years, why do the Enemies of Fatima in Rome feel compelled to respond now?
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While this may seem perplexing at first glance, it actually makes perfect sense to those who are familiar with their modus operandi.
You see, while the story may be old, the source is new, and if little else about the Holy See’s handling of the Fatima message is clear, at least one thing most certainly is:
The Enemies of Fatima have no interest whatsoever in actually addressing the many credible arguments and claims that challenge their official position; rather, their modus operandi is simply to assassinate the character of those who make them.
So far, we must admit, their strategy is paying dividends; a perfect example of which comes to us courtesy of Karl Keating, the now retired Founder of Catholic Answers.
Posting on his Facebok page, Keating recently wrote:
Maike Hickson describes Ingo Dollinger as “quite elderly and physically weak.” That might explain why he just now happened to “remember” this conversation with Cardinal Ratzinger, sixteen years after it supposedly occurred. Why didn’t Dollinger announce this news years ago? The most likely reason: because it never happened.
No, the only thing that apparently never happened is the five minutes of research it would have taken for Keating – an attorney by training – to realize that Dollinger did indeed “announce this news years ago.”
In addition to being a personal embarrassment, Keating’s ignorance is a direct fruit of Rome’s tireless efforts to sully the reputation of Fr. Nicholas Gruner – buon’anima!
Indeed, the entire smear campaign against Fr. Gruner was carried out for precisely this reason; namely, to see to it that the claims put forth by this truly holy priest and his confreres would simply be dismissed out of hand by those too intellectually lazy to examine the arguments in the case on their merits.
Keating, apparently having bought-in to the whole operation, is pleased to follow suit by likewise smearing others who might suggest that there’s more to the story than what Rome has chosen to reveal.
As for Dr. Hickson and Steve Skojec, the publisher of 1Peter5, the time is now at hand for their reputations to be destroyed, and it must happen quickly lest disoriented men like Karl Keating finally awaken from their slumber long enough to realize that the matter is worthy of closer examination.
As for the Communiqué itself, there is more than ample reason to believe that the quotes attributed to Benedict therein are themselves “pure inventions” – just like so many other things the Enemies of Fatima have shamelessly presented as fact over the years.
For the sake of argument, however, if we begin by assuming that Benedict really did offer the response that was published by the Holy See Press Office, it is fair to question his credibility in the matter.
This is the same man who said of the Third Secret of Fatima back in 1984 – some sixteen years before the official spin job was crafted:
[It concerns] a radical call to conversion, the absolute gravity of history, the dangers threatening the Faith and the life of a Christian, and therefore the world. And also the importance of the last times.
The story behind this quote is itself an indication of just how far the Enemies of Fatima will go to hide the truth.
I got in touch with John Salza, one of the world’s foremost experts on Fatima, for some background.
“Ratzinger’s quote,” he said, “comes from the November 11, 1984 interview he did with Vittorio Messori, which was published in the Italian journal JESUS, in an article called ‘Here is Why the Faith is in Crisis.'”
Salza then directed me to the following excerpt from his book, The Consecration of Russia:
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To add fuel to the fire, Cardinal Ratzinger’s interview with Vittorio Messori was mysteriously edited when later published in a book. In June 1985, Ignatius Press included the above interview in the book The Ratzinger Report. The book, which is translated into English, French and German from the Italian, has over one million copies in print. Upon comparing the original November 1984 interview with what appears in the 1985 The Ratzinger Report, one will notice that the words “the dangers threatening the faith and life of the Christian, and therefore the world. And also the importance of the Last Times…the things contained in this Third Secret correspond to what has been announced in Scripture” were excised from The Ratzinger Report. (The Ratzinger Report, San Francisco, California: Ignatius Press, 1985, pp. 109-111)
If this isn’t enough to call Cardinal Ratzinger’s credibility into question, consider what he had to say about Fatima as pope:
I would say that, here too, beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in the first place refer to Pope John Paul II, an indication is given of realities involving the future of the Church, which are gradually taking shape and becoming evident. (In flight press conference, Rome to Portugal, 11 May 2010)
He would even go on to say while in Portugal, “We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete.”
Clearly, something simply doesn’t add up.
As for Benedict’s alleged denial of the quote attributed to Fr. Dollinger, like me, John Salza isn’t convinced that it’s plausible.
“The Dollinger quote has been out for nearly 16 years,” Salza pointed out. “Fr. Gruner reported it years ago and so did I, and Ratzinger never denied it, even though he had plenty of chances to do so.”
And then there is the questionable tone of the Holy See’s recent Communiqué; i.e., it really doesn’t seem very “Benedictine” to so plainly accuse anyone, much less an old friend, of putting forth a “pure invention.”
“Is Ratzinger calling Fr. Dollinger a liar? That is what his denial would amount to,” Salza said. “Unless he made the denial publicly, why should we believe it?”
On the other hand, there can be no doubt that the Enemies of Fatima in Rome – who in the year 2000 didn’t think twice about ensnaring Cardinal Ratzinger in their web of deceit by putting him in a position at odds with his own previous statements with respect to the Third Secret – have no compunction about doing so.
In the end, for John Salza, the conclusion to be drawn concerning Benedict’s credibility in the matter is fairly obvious, and I make it my own.
“He first said Fatima was about the end times (in 1984), then denied it (in 2000), only to confirm what he said in the 1980s in 2010,” he said.
“Ratzinger has been a double dealer for decades.”
I don’t disagree with John Salza’s assessment of Ratzinger, but I don’t believe for a New York minute that this “communique” is from him. It doesn’t pass the smell test of truth, esp. since it was issued by an anonymous source – a favorite trick of the “enemy within.”
The concluding part of the “secret” uses images which Lucia may have seen in devotional books and which draw their inspiration from long-standing intuitions of faith. -Cardinal Ratzinger, Theological Commentary on the Secret of Fatima, June 2000.
Statements like the one above were designed to cast doubt on the miraculous nature of the Fatima apparitions. The masterstroke came after the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II. As soon as John Paul II claimed to be the “Bishop dressed in white” of the Fatima Message, he could do no wrong.
This new cover-up shows the children of the Queen of Heaven, how VERY important Fatima remains to us today.
2017 is fast approaching.
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Pray the Rosary.
Wear our scapular.
Practice the first Saturday devotions — properly.
Make reparation for the offenses committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Consecrate ourselves to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Penance. Penance. Penance.
Hold on to Our Blessed Mother and do not let go! The battle will further intensify.
May we all, with the grace of God, persevere.
Oremus pro invicem.
I’ve always felt the full Third Secret has not been revealed and the consecration of Russia has not been done. OK, there was a consectration to the world, yeah I got that, and we got some brief peace as the ’80’s came to and end afterwards one could argue. But now??? The headlines are filled with wars and rumors of wars, and Russian jets playing strange games of chicken with ours, trouble with China and the Spratley Islands, North Korea sending satellites into space and testing nukes. (Can you say EMP attack boys and girls?…. Oh excuse me am I allowed to mention that there are two sexes anymore?)
To say that everything’s hunky dory on Fatima reminds me of a telling anecdote from World War 2: In the fall of 1940, the Nutzi Nazi regime’s foreign minister Von Ribbentrop was telling his Soviet counterpart how Hitler was winning hands down no problem! Molotov is said to have replied something to the effect that “If everything’s so great why are we meeting in this bunker (bomb shelter)”
If the Consecration has been done why are WWIII and economic collapse lurking around the corner??? Kyrie Eleison Christe Eleison
The Vatican denouncement states that the remarks “attributed” to Professor Dollinger are pure inventions.
I read that as an attack on Dr. Hickson’s credibility, (as well as anyone who reported those same remarks earlier) rather than on Fr. Dollinger’s. It seems they want her branded as some nut-job looking for sensational attention, who never even contacted Dollinger.
I get it that this priest is elderly, and may only speak German, but if he wasn’t too ill to talk twice to Dr. Hickson, it seems the ball is in his court right now, and if he is able, he should be making a public statement to clear her and her publisher’s names, now that all this has happened. I imagine it’s possible he doesn’t know about the Vatican response yet.
Fr. Dollinger stands by his account.
An excerpt from 1Peter5 (below) is this:
“…this is the first time since his abdication in 2013 that the Pope Emeritus has issued an official statement through the Vatican press office. With all that is currently troubling the Church, with all the confusion that now assails the faithful, this is the story which has prompted Benedict to break his silence. Clearly, this is a matter of unusual importance in the eyes of the Holy See.”
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CLEARLY Fatima is of GREAT importance to the Holy See.
We, as children of Mary Our Queen, must pay attention to Fatima.
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http://www.onepeterfive.com/on-fatima-story-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-breaks-silence/
One has to wonder if the Holy See Press Office put their words in the mouth of Benedict. We saw the distortion coming from Fr. Rosica during the two Synods, and his foolish attack on Catholic bloggers last week.
The justice of God will clean up this mess soon and Our Lady’s hidden secret will have been fulfilled despite it’s denial.
Father Dollinger was telephoned and stands by his story as reported below.
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“Further, this morning Dr. Hickson telephoned Father Dollinger with the news of the Vatican statement, and at that time he again confirmed to her emphatically and clearly his previous remarks. In other words, he stood by his story. ”
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http://www.onepeterfive.com/on-fatima-story-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-breaks-silence/
I strongly doubt that Keating is being sincere in his criticisms. Anyone in his position and with half a brain can look at the evidence and see exactly what we all see. He’s simply chosen his side and will fight anyone and everyone who will challenge it. After all, if the still hidden portion of the secret condemns Vatican II and the New Mass, he and his life’s work stands to be condemned along with it. He’s as much a promoter of the modern errors as any layman could be. He’s spent a lifetime demonizing traditionalists with mockery, half truths and outright lies. Barring a miracle road to Damascus experience, of course he’s going to continue to do what he’s been doing for years.
Yes, I’ve read those reports, but if you notice in what you cite here, Dr. Hickson is essentially being used as a of witness in her own defense, while her credibility is being challenged about anything she says.
She’s the only person being said to have contacted Father Dollinger. So how does it help to confirm her initial findings with her own alleged secondary ones? It’s not loyal readers of 1Peter 5 who need convincing, as they likely already take her word for it, based on Steve’s testimony about his trust in her good character.
Of all the players in the Fatima Secret cover up, Ratzinger is the only one who has flirted with telling the truth about it. I think it’s possible that he was forced to retire for this reason. He may reach a point when he realizes that he has nothing to lose and will come clean.
The “Church of Confusion” strikes again and Satan is loving it. Those who believe in the true message of Fatima should just consider this another validation of Our Lady’s warning about “diabolical disorientation”. Modern Rome has given up on “conversion” and has replaced it with “confusion”. More to come, no doubt. Does it really matter who said what? The enemy may have their day, but Triumph belongs to Our Lady. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
“Ratzinger has been a double dealer for decades.”
Today’s articles at Rorate-Caeli would seem to not only confirm it but take “double dealer” to a whole new level….Apparently PB16 has bifurcated the Papacy? (my term) Kind of like the combination of One Petrine Ministry Pope composed of Pope Inside (PB16) and Pope Outside (PF). If so, the hubris and apostasy is breathtaking. The reason is has “legs” is that things have become so outrageous since PF election that even fiction? makes more sense than reality. This is really Modernism on steroids…Checkout the article. It sounds so crazy…..it actually makes sense….in this land of the fruits and nuts we are living in. Rome is now right up there with San Francisco. No check that….They have exceeded it and lead girly-men horror show.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/05/ganswein-papacy-was-transformed-in-2013.html#more
Ah, yes. Good point.
Could Keating be a chosen “controlled opposition”? I don’t know how he could be this blatantly wrong, as you say, knowing all that he knows.
Deception abounds.
Oh, yes …… and Pope JPII was the “bishop dressed in white” who was “killed” by the band so soldiers? Our Lady saved JPII’s life so that we could realize that deception.
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https://akacatholic.com/secret/
I remember reading back when Benedict was first elected that he had three regrets: The de facto “banning” of the TLM, the treatment of the SSPX, and the handling of the whole Fatima thing.
It appears he at least somewhat addressed the first two…and then the “retirement”. I always thought it was the “freeing” of the TLM and the lifting of the supposed excommunications of the SSPX bishops. But yeah, maybe Fatima was another factor. They couldn’t risk him breaking ranks.
Looks like a comment over at Eponymous Flower used your term over a month ago in the same context.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2016/04/opus-dei-archbishop-makes-big.html#comment-form
Relevant Portion:
“What has this revolution done? It has overthrown hearts and homes, thrones and empires; and it now occupies the Holy See, absurdly demanding we believe that the singular Papacy can be bifurcated into a rule by two men.”
Looks like Francis is out to not only destroy his pontificate, but also what’s left of the reputation of Benedict. And Benedict is letting him get away with it.
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But then again, maybe the deal also includes the lack of abrogation of Summorum Pontificum by Francis. The ’68-ers will be gone soon, and the future doesn’t look to bright for the post conciliar hippie church.
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Speaking of deals, this showed up today on the From Rome blog: https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2016/05/24/archbishop-georg-gansweins-revelations-point-to-conclave-pact-to-elect-bergoglio/
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Fits into the big picture.
When I consider what’s playing out right in front our faces and yet so hidden, I realize that – that is what spiritual warfare is – -spiritual warfare. It is so amazing and truly a Grace from God that we are allowed to see ANY of this.
Just think about the third secret-analzed, packaged up, sold, and accepted. Wow, it’s just amazing. To think that we accept that analization. That Our Mother came down here from heaven 6 times, Our Dear Lady showed those young children hell, the children chose to suffered so much, ( little precious Jacinta’s sufferings would bring tears to anyone’s eyes), the sun danced, at least 70,000 people pilgrimaged to Fatima in terrible conditions to witness this, the earth was miraculously dried etc. etc. All because Pope John Paul 2 would one day, unfortunately, be shot, but survive. But for some reason that was supposed to be a secret at least until hmmm – let’s see 1960. Yeah, why not? THAT’S a nice year.
We’re a bunch of morons, and yes, Satan IS dancing with delight.
Of course in the end her Immaculate Heart will Triumph!
Oh, here’s a nice blast from the past that one commenter here was so kind to send to me:
https://akacatholic.com/secret/
Archbishop Lefebvre:
“They would not reveal her Third Secret, they buried the message of the Virgin Mary. No doubt this message was meant to prevent what is happening today. Had her message been made known, most likely we would not be where we are today, the situation in Rome, would not be what it is today. The Pope refused to make public the Virgin Mary’s message: well, the punishments foretold by Mary are coming: the apostasy announced in Scripture is on its way; the coming of the Anti-Christ draws near, as is perfectly obvious…”
“This apostasy makes its members adulterers, schismatics opposed to all Tradition, separated from the past of the Church, and separated from the Church of today, in the measure that it remains faithful to the Church of Our Lord. Everyone who remains faithful to the true Church is the object of savage and continuous persecution.
But we are not the first to be persecuted by false brothers for having kept the Faith and Tradition. The Martyrology teaches us this every day. The more Holy Church is insulted, the more we must cling to Her, body and soul, the more we must force ourselves to defend Her and to assure Her continuity by drawing from Her treasures of sanctity to reconstruct Christianity.”
+Lefebvre
No doubt, Pope Ratzinger had to flee due to the apostate wolves. If, in fact, Pope Ratzinger’s words in the interview were changed, why would you not hold Ignatius Press accountable? Who can deny that the resignation of our Holy Father, has exposed a Great Apostasy? The evidence is being exposed as the veil is being lifted.
There is enough evidence now for any reasonable person to recognize that this is what led to the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2012/december/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20121221_auguri-curia.html
Page 117, of the pope’s book, On Heaven and Earth, in regards to same-sex unions
“If there is a union of a PRIVATE NATURE, THERE IS NEITHER A THIRD PARTY NOR IS SOCIETY AFFECTED. Now, if this union is given the category of marriage and they are given adoption rights, there could be children affected. Every person needs a male father and female mother that can help them shape their identity. – Jorge Mario Bergoglio
Approval of same-sex sexual unions is approval of same-sex sexual acts.
“The Chief Rabbi of France, Gilles Bernheim, has shown in a very detailed and profoundly moving study that the attack we are currently experiencing on the true structure of the family, made up of father, mother, and child, goes much deeper. While up to now we regarded a false understanding of the nature of human freedom as one cause of the crisis of the family, it is now becoming clear that the very notion of being – of what being human really means – is being called into question. He quotes the famous saying of Simone de Beauvoir: “one is not born a woman, one becomes so” (on ne naît pas femme, on le devient). These words lay the foundation for what is put forward today under the term “gender” as a new philosophy of sexuality. According to this philosophy, sex is no longer a given element of nature, that man has to accept and personally make sense of: it is a social role that we choose for ourselves, while in the past it was chosen for us by society. The profound falsehood of this theory and of the anthropological revolution contained within it is obvious. People dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being. They deny their nature and decide that it is not something previously given to them, but that they make it for themselves. According to the biblical creation account, being created by God as male and female pertains to the essence of the human creature. This duality is an essential aspect of what being human is all about, as ordained by God. This very duality as something previously given is what is now disputed. The words of the creation account: “male and female he created them” (Gen 1:27) no longer apply. No, what applies now is this: it was not God who created them male and female – hitherto society did this, now we decide for ourselves. Man and woman as created realities, as the nature of the human being, no longer exist. Man calls his nature into question. From now on he is merely spirit and will. The manipulation of nature, which we deplore today where our environment is concerned, now becomes man’s fundamental choice where he himself is concerned. From now on there is only the abstract human being, who chooses for himself what his nature is to be. Man and woman in their created state as complementary versions of what it means to be human are disputed. But if there is no pre-ordained duality of man and woman in creation, then neither is the family any longer a reality established by creation. Likewise, the child has lost the place he had occupied hitherto and the dignity pertaining to him. Bernheim shows that now, perforce, from being a subject of rights, the child has become an object to which people have a right and which they have a right to obtain. When the freedom to be creative becomes the freedom to create oneself, then necessarily the Maker himself is denied and ultimately man too is stripped of his dignity as a creature of God, as the image of God at the core of his being. The defence of the family is about man himself. And it becomes clear that when God is denied, human dignity also disappears. Whoever defends God is defending man.”
Why not tell those men and woman, who have developed a same-sex sexual attraction the truth? It is because we Love you, and respect your Dignity as a beloved son or daughter, that we cannot condone the engaging in or affirmation of any act, including any sexual act that demeans your inherent Dignity as a beloved son or daughter.The desire to engage in a demeaning act of any nature, does not change the nature of the act. We Love you, and because we Love you, we desire that you will always be treated with, and will always treat others with Dignity and respect in private as well as in public. We will not tolerate the engaging in or condoning of sexual behavior that does not reflect the upmost respect for the human person.
We have two popes; the evidence reveals that one pope is a member of the lobby.
Here is the teaching of The Catholic Church in regards to the current state of apostasy:
http://www.dailycatholic.org/cumexapo.htm
“6. In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:] that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:
(i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;
(ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;
(iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way;
(iv) to any so promoted to be Bishops, or Archbishops, or Patriarchs, or Primates or elevated as Cardinals, or as Roman Pontiff, no authority shall have been granted, nor shall it be considered to have been so granted either in the spiritual or the temporal domain;
(v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone;
(vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power.