I used to imagine that Jorge Bergoglio, even though he’s proven himself to be a terrible pope, would probably make for a pretty decent neighbor.
Man… what was I thinking?
The story he told during his in-flight press conference on Sunday about the pregnant woman he reprimanded tells me that the image of this man as kindly and warm is as much illusion as reality.
In the video below, in addition to providing some commentary to that end, I’ve included a brief video clip showing the pope telling that story. Even if you don’t speak Italian, notice his expression as he recounts that shameful tale. The contempt is palpable. Take a look for yourself.
I wonder… could that contempt be coming from his having pegged her as one of those “neo-Pelagians”?
In any event, I’ll keep the neighbors I have, thank you very much.
Awhile ago, I commented that I could handle Bergoglio if he were a plumber, carpenter or whatever or lived down the street. I take it back!! I don’t want him as a neighbor any more that I want him as Pope!! As you said, the “Catholic” thing to do would be to commend this woman, bless her and offer prayers for a safe delivery and healthy child. However, I’m beyond the point of expecting anything “Catholic” coming from the mouth of this Pope! Where is the duct tape when you need it!
“He said he chided her…”
Not to the boys
Who do their own schtick.
Not to the girls
Who call themselves Rick.
Not to the men
Who cut off heads quick.
Not to the Extra
Not to the gals
On their buses so slick.
Not to the spouses –
Find new lips to lick.
Not to the Prelates
Preaching heresy thick.
Not to the kinky
In lust for a kick.
But give me the mother
With child number eight –
She, I’ll chastise,
She, I’ll berate,
Then brag to reporters
How I admonish sins great –
A mother and child,
Classic! That’s a keeper!
From the Hearts of Jesus and Mary to you,
from your heart and mind to your fingertips
– from there, to all of us.
Is His Holiness the pregnancy police? Whatever happened to listening, dialogue, and walking with women in crisis pregnancies instead of condemning them? Boy, he and his prelates do this plenty with women who have 7 consecutive abortions. No worries about safety or testing God there. But if a woman dares to carry a 7th or 8th pregnancy to term, she gets condemned for testing God and her health. Hypocrites!
I was wondering when we’d get over “rabbit-gate” and address the nastier part of the airplane interview. If he were in a position to be a true father or grandfather, he’d behave differently.
The other bookend to this story: the little alter boy:
The Pope is scandalized (!) by the expression of piety of this little alter boy and pulls his hands apart and makes a joke about it!
This Pope seems to have an uncontrollable urge to attack the best among the Catholic flock; it is almost as if he feels a religious obligation to do this.
From a Catholic mother of six, all born by caesarean section – the best rebuttal to “rabbitgate” I’ve seen so far: http://fratresinunum.com/2015/01/22/about-those-catholic-rabbits-criticized-by-the-pope/
But…but Louie! The Catholic News Agency (CNA) posted the whole talk on the plane. “This doesn’t mean that the Christian must make children “in series.”
I met a woman some months ago in a parish who was pregnant with her eighth child, who had had seven C-sections. But does she want to leave the seven as orphans? This is to tempt God. I speak of responsible paternity. This is the way, a responsible paternity.” I guess those that translate “pro multis” as “for all” have trained others well in their craft(iness).
3 minutes after we learned he was elected, we were online reading about Bergoglio’s public verbal scourging of his priests in Argentina, for upholding Church regulations regarding Baptism, instead of ignoring them in the name of his idea of mercy to the poor . The next article we found, told of his welcoming co-habiting couples from a ghetto, to receive Communion at a weekend retreat, sending them home to continue co-habiting. Another told of his very close friendship with and ex-priest whose wife regularly “said Mass” with him, whom he continued to call weekly after the man died, and whose family he supported with Church funds. Why do unrepentant sinners have his full compassion, he vents his wrath and irritation on the innocent faithful?
–Cyprian’s re-posting of the little altar boy’s confusion as his hands are repeatedly forced apart by Francis, is another unforgettable image of that, as is his “No,No,No! we don’t proselytize!” -depriving the ignorant and misled, of the Church’s treasures.
He seems driven to promote his ideas of what the Church should be, as part of the world scene rather than a light in the darkness. The population control issue is a major platform of the New-age environmental protection socialist agenda. Man at the center, is not allowed to do anything that is considered “hoarding” of this world’s goods–not even for a large family because they make such a selfishly big “carbon footprint”.
His attempted backtracking after the rabbit-breeding remark is simply not believable, after the ‘”breeding like rabbits” remark. This sad excuse for a Catholic man, may think he has the mind of God and is reforming the Church and the world in Our Lord’s image. It’s not the one we recognize from all our years coming to know the Good and Just Shepherd, from the Scriptures and Traditions of His Church, and lives lived in union with it. . We must continue to do what he tells us that is in line with what the Church teaches, but never follow him into error, and help others recognize them when they surface-which is more and more frequently these days. .
We truly hate what he does that is evil, and denounce it freely. But we also never forget Our Lord’s weeping over Jerusalem and His reminder that God does not want to lose even one sheep. So we pray sincerely for his salvation, as if he’s another family member, who lost his way, only with more potential to harm many souls.
Ironic we’re discussing the Pope and unwanted babies today, on the anniversary of the Roe vs Wade decision that legalized abortion in America.
Pius XII On the beauty of Large Catholic Families
If we are obliged to do what the Pope tells us only when it falls in line with Church teaching and ignore his personal “off the cuff” blethers (which would, more often than not, lead us away from Christ’s teaching) doesn’t that mean that we must already know what the Church teaches on each subject to be able to determine when we have to listen to him?
Would not this render him pointless to the schooled and a positive danger to the unschooled?
In another in-flight comment, Bergoglio defers to “experts” on the subject of replacement-level fertility (“three” being the magic number). So the man who counsels doubt in matters of religion knows when real knowledge has been acquired, enough to call someone an expert in a particular field.
What of the Church? Does she possess expertise in matters of faith and morals? “No!”, says Bergoglio, “[t]he truth does not enter into an encyclopedia”.
I think it is beyond reasonable doubt that Jorge Bergoglio is “a genuine modernist” who does not believe in a real divine Revelation that has given all mankind the truth through the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. A Magisterium that is rigorously explained by experts in, among other places, the Catholic Encyclopedia.
S.Armaticus called attention to this Rorate Caeli article, which set off alarm bells the moment we got into what the Italian Bishops are saying here. We hope you’ll take a look, and perhaps consider commenting on it.
So does that telling everyone around the world how he rebuked a pregnant woman count as gossiping which he condemned so much?
Sort of like when he boasted about threatening to kick “where the sun doesn’t shine” the two corrupt Argentine bureaucrats years ago. That’s not gossip, that’s….story-telling 🙂
Before I comment, we need to be clear on what is happening.
We also need to be very precise when we attribute “actions” to particular entities or parties. A good example is this situation with the article that appeared in the Avvenire newspaper. This newspaper is owned by the Italian Bishops’ Conference, but it does not represent the position of the majority Italian Bishops nor the Bishops’ Conference itself. We have confirmation that the Italian Bishops’ Conference is firmly in the CATHOLIC camp. for the upcoming Synod of 2015″
Furthermore, we also know that his article is causing shock waves in Italy. We need to wait to see how the Bishops’ Conference and the individual bishops reacts to this article. Especially card. Bagnasco who is the target of this action.
Next, if you recall, one of Francis’ first moves was to take over the Italian Bishops’ Conference. He couldn’t remove the President, Card. Bagnasco, so he put in an “administrator” i.e. interim Secretary General Nunzio Galantino. I would bet my last dollar that it is Galantino that is responsible for this. Here is a link from RC with the low down on Galantino. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/antonio-soccis-scathing-words-against.html
Therefore given the above, what I suspect we are witnessing is a fight for the Italian Bishops’ Conference. Please recall that these bishops gave a massive slap in the face to Francis by rejecting his candidate Forte for the VP position. Therefore, I could see a situation where Francis has no power over the “representation” that the Italian Bishops will be sending to the 2015 Synod. And this could be a way to “make a mess” through the newspaper by some friendly clerics to Galantino/Francis. What we need to watch out for is the diversionary tactic by which Francis will try to put more of his lackeys into a decision making positions at the Conference itself.
Like I said above, the key is to see how card. Bagnasco reacts. The Modernists have been trying to get him to make a mistake since Francis appeared. So far it has failed. Let’s see how this plays out now.
Poor Francis follows many ‘educated’ prelates into heresy by imbibing the thoughts of Blutman and others who deny the truth of the Gospels. If you believe that the Gospels were written backwards after the writers had thought things over you are released from teaching what is there.
His evolution theories taken from Teilhard de Chardin lead him to teach that limiting births is a sacred duty. If poor Francis really believed in God’s Providence instead of a man-centred anti-religion called evolution he could never say what he said.
Thanks for the link – frightening stuff. The law of gradualism is nothing more than evolution – all (ALL) creation gradually moving forward/upward towards what is already in ‘humanity’ and is being perfected – GOD.
this was meant in response to IF’s link in #13
Poor Francis is what my English mother would call ‘common.’ No class, no style, no sense of place, no sense of dignity, no sense of his role as acting in Christ’s place for us. His impetuosity shows a sore lack of control over his will, not seemingly governed by a well taught intellect.
He reminds me of those unfortunate teachers back in hippy days who showed up to teach in jeans and, of course, no tie. How cool we thought them. They wanted to be our pals, no authority – just warmth and understanding. Crap. It also shows a lack of maturity in a grown man when he speaks like ‘the man in the street (gutter?)’ kind of like a teen-ager who swears because it’s cool.
Judging from what you described here, it sounds like he should have kept his night-club bouncer job.
As the writer Florence King says: Familiarity doesn’t breed contempt, it IS contempt.
That seems to be the main topic of discussion on all the Traditional blogs these days, in a nut-shell. A couple of points come to mind.
1. We usually have a good basic idea about what’s right and wrong, and have time and plenty of available resources on the net to research on what the Church has always taught on different subjects that come up periodically.
2. The more we come to a consensus, which agrees with all of that, the more certain we can be that God’s Will is being made clearer to us, despite the crisis at the top. (sensus fidelium)
There’s no denying we’re in great difficulty, comparable to the time of the Arians, when St. Athanasius earned his epitaph: “Contra Mundum ( against the world) by defending the full deity of Christ against emperors, magistrates, bishops, and theologians. He was seen as a trouble-maker by Constantine and his successors, and banished from Alexandria 5 times by various emperors.
He apparently was not a quitter. 🙂 🙂
Maybe Burke will do one of his interviews now, since the issue has people talking..
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God bless this poor woman for putting up with this rebuke. Maybe she will be like the mother of St. Catherine of Siena who had 25 children. We can only hope that this good woman, or someone like her will bear a child that will rebuke this Pope as Catherine of Siena did to the Popes of her time!
What a temptation to pride this poor pontiff is – one can say “I can be a better Catholic than the *pope* today!” and as long as you don’t, say, go on a shooting spree, you’re probably going to be right.
This stuff boggles the mind. One’s faith must be strong to not be bothered by such an abusive papa. But, there’s no reason to worry, of course – just pray for him. In times not too long past a majority of the world’s Catholics might go their entire lives without even knowing who the reigning pontiff *was*. The faith does not change.
But countless millions are going to hell for rejecting the Faith. The Church exists to save souls, and the human part of it is scandalising souls, leading souls astray, affirming people in their sinful lives.