As Cornelia Ferreira pointed out in her recent post Fatima Through the Lens of Vatican II: As Illustrated by Raymond Cardinal Burke, the Blue Army Vatican mouthpiece has an interesting suggestion for a future Consecration:
“Perhaps now is the time to invite our Russian Orthodox brothers to join in a consecration in order to please Our Lord who told Sr. Lucia, ‘I want my whole Church [WAF’s emphasis] to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary….’”
The effort to recast the Fatima message into an endorsement for all things conciliar; including the activities of the ecumenical church-of-dialogue, is nothing new, but this was the first time I had ever encountered a proposal for just such a joint effort with the schismatic Russian Orthodox.
One wonders, is this just some random suggestion from an overzealous ecumenist, or does the idea actually enjoy support among influential churchmen?
Apparently, it is the latter.
As recently reported by Maike Hickson, whose finger on the pulse of the Church in Germany is proving to be of great value, the idea found support among at least one of the Dubia Brothers:
In 2016, shortly after the brief meeting in Cuba between Pope Francis and the Orthodox Patriarch Kirill, Cardinal Meisner proposed at the same above-mentioned conference (video, in German, available HERE) that this historic event could and should inspire both the Catholic and the Orthodox leaders to “consecrate us all to the Mother of God in the midst of the current difficulties, just as the seer children of Fatima proposed it.” [emphasis added by Mrs. Hickson]
Needless to say, neither Our Lady, nor the seer children, ever proposed such a thing.
Yes, but would not the Orthodox do well to humbly make a consecration of their own to Our Lady anyway?
If carried out with sincere intentions, I suppose so, but only inasmuch as it is understood that the very purpose of Marian consecration is to allow Our Lady to lead us closer to her Son and to use us in service to Him in all things.
For the Orthodox, this would most certainly mean their conversion to the one true Church of Christ – the Holy Catholic Church – in union with and under Peter.
With this in mind, one might feel compelled to argue:
What then is so dangerous about taking the occasion of the centenary year of the Fatima apparitions to call for a “joint” consecration with the Russian Orthodox? Maybe this will serve as a stepping stone to their conversion.
In other words, What can it hurt?
This is an important question to ponder with respect to Fatima in general, and I will take it up in a more general sense in a future post.
With respect to the joint consecration idea and its variants, the dangers should be obvious; starting with the fact that ends do not justify means.
Specifically, one is not free to distort, or even to ignore, any part Our Lady’s message simply because doing so might achieve some good end. Unfortunately, however, this is an attitude that even some “traditionalists” (aka Catholics) now seem to embrace.
In the present case, posturing as if Our Lady herself was content to confirm the Russian Orthodox in their schism, which is precisely what inviting them to join the Vicar of Christ (whose authority they happen to reject) in an act of consecration would do, provides the exact opposite of good hope for their conversion.
Long story short, I think its reasonable to suspect that plans are likely underway at this very moment for a joint Orthodox-Catholic act of consecration as part of the Vatican’s attempt to further deceive the faithful in this centenary year of the Fatima apparitions. Perhaps in October? We’ll see…
In the end, it’s simple; as I’ve written in before:
Either one is willing to promote and defend Our Lady’s message whole and entire (and this necessarily means promoting the Catholic faith and the mission of the Church in its fullness) or not.
For decades on end, Church leaders all the way up to the popes have been operating on the assumption that they have a better idea than Our Lady:
– Rather than revealing the Third Secret in 1960 as asked, it was shelved by John XXIII for a future pope.
– Rather than specifically consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as requested, a number of other more general consecrations were done; none of them in union with the bishops of the world.
– Rather than gratefully accepting the period of peace that would have resulted from doing as Our Lady asked, the popes have embarked on a series of sacrilegious and embarrassing substitute ventures; e.g., the Assisi abominations, endless interreligious dialogue, planting trees, and even hosting soccer games for peace.
– Rather than revealing the Third secret in its fullness, the Vatican under John Paul II, with the complicity of his future successor, crafted a magnificent act of deception that is still being perpetrated.
Based on all of this, I’d say that it’s more likely than not that a joint consecration dog-n-pony show will soon be added to the mix.
And what kinds of things have we to show for all of these half-steps toward, and outright rejections of, Our Lady’s message?
And that’s nothing compared to the chastisement that is coming should we obstinately stay the present course.
Let’s get through tomorrow first. July 13, 1917 is one hundred years to the day, of the revelation of the Secrets of Fatima, which includes the first mention of the Consecration of Russia. The formal request for the Consecration came twelve years later, but the time will be shortened for the sake of the Elect.
I don’t want to depress anyone, but the tragedy of Bergoglio goes on and on:
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3278-pope-francis-opens-door-to-non-catholic-saints
He wont give up until final destruction is achieved. Is there anything left now?
A joint consecration between the Holy Orthodox (though schismatic) Church of Mother Russia, and the heretical, filthy, church of Rome, filled with perverts and led by Rabbi Bergoglio? God give the Orthodox the good sense to avoid this near occasion of a cesspit of sin and degradation.
That video is your finest to date, Louie.
Yes, there is something left to protect yourself from destruction: abandon the ridiculous idea that Francis is the Pope. As long as one adheres to this idea, the longer he keeps himself in harm’s way.
So many have fallen. We have to give up the belief in our “unique specialness” and realise that we are just like everyone else. We can and will eventually fall if we stick with the mainstream program, and that includes the new mass. We are just like everyone else.
If by “church of Rome” you mean the Catholic Church, then Francis doesn’t lead it. You simply endanger your Faith if you think he does. Pray for Jorge Bergoglio, but that’s all.
Our Lady said that in Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved. Of course that means that in other places it will be denied. I wonder when Francis will begin explicitly begin denying dogma. Any day now, I’m sure.
I’ve always wondered about that Fatima quote, since it is partial. I’ve seen two versions of it “In Portgual the Dogma of the faith will be preserved….” and also “always be preserved….”. The “…..” is the key. Was it perhaps, “will always be preserved—by a faithful remnant”? Was it “…will be preserved until the coming Council”. “….until the year 1965” or some such? We will never know. The faith has certainly, as a whole, not been preserved in Portugal, it was affected by the Novus Ordo like anywhere else….so many people read into this prophecy as a blanket statement in my opinion–as a sign of hope instead of a more likely warning!
The New Order “catholic” pseudo-church believes the Catholic religion is just one among many religions. No big deal! If they are referring to their own man-made religion of Vatican II, they are correct. If they are referring to the Holy Roman Catholic Church as founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, they are wrong—-dead wrong!
I have come to welcome every heretical word and deed from Francis. The quicker folks realize that apostates cannot be popes the better.
July 13, 1917 will be 100 years since Our Lady showed the children the vision of Hell where the souls of poor sinners go.
So much time and effort spent on the message of Fatima when the obvious is overlooked. Why would those who have no fear or love of the Lord and the Truth, which is obvious through their words and acts of idolatry, blasphemy, and sacrileges, listen to the Mother of God?
If you recall it was JPII who drastically changed the process of beatification and canonization, particularly eliminating the devil’s advocate to ensure no one would object to whomever the Modernist’s brought up for review, basically turning it into a mockery so the Modernist’s could venerate other heretics and apostates, including JPII himself.
Why give the schismatics the title “Holy”? There is nothing holy about a false religion.
And the Remnant won’t give up believing that a non-Catholic, enemy of Christ can actually be the pope. So they have actually helped perpetuate the destruction of the faith while also being disobedient to those they claim are true popes teaching others to deny a dogma of the Church which demands our obedience to the Vicar of Christ.
Archbishop Lefebvre:
“The Pope is wishing to create unity outside the Faith. It is a communion. A communion with who? With what? It is no longer a real unity. Unity is only possible in the unity of the Faith. That is what the Church has always taught. That is why there were missionaries to convert people to the Catholic Faith. Now we must no longer convert anybody. The Church is no longer a hierarchical society, it is a communion. Everything is falsified. That is the destruction of the notion of the Church and of Catholicism. It is very serious and that explains why so many Catholics are leaving the Faith.”
Archbishop Lefebvre:
“Our Lord did not found a number of churches: He founded only One. There is only one Cross by which we can be saved,
and that Cross has been given to the Catholic Church. It has not been given to others. To His Church, His mystical bride, Christ has given all graces. No grace in the world, no grace in the history of humanity is distributed except through her.”
Yes, Katherine. JP2 opened the door for his own canonization. Rumor has it that Francis will canonize himself so that he could thoroughly partake in the celebration complete with balloons, fireworks and outrageous festive events. Why not? Who will stop him?
Dearest Louie,
Reflecting upon the transitional comment, found in your essay above, as you speak to a purported value in the Orthodox “consecrating” themselves to the Blessed Virgin, our Mother as the Mother of God, you wrote this:
“Yes, but would not the Orthodox do well to humbly make a consecration of their own to Our Lady anyway?
If carried out with sincere intentions, I suppose so, but only inasmuch as it is understood that the very purpose of Marian consecration is to allow Our Lady to lead us closer to her Son and to use us in service to Him in all things.”
The ontological reality, as reality, speaks differently, as it relates a purported, “consecration” to the Mother of God, as she requested be done. Those in schism, as schism is opposed to Caritas, remain outside of Holy Mother Church, a desolate place where there simply is no salvation to be found, as extra ecclesia nulla salus. Those human persons outside of Holy Mother Church, as the Mystical Body of Christ, find themselves without the Head, as His Vicar speaks as Him in the infallible Magisterium. Without the head, the body of course dies, as a branch removed from the vine. This is the free will assent of those schismatics and not as His Vicar has been, “…removed from the enemy’s path.”, as Saint Paul inerrantly wrote that he (the Vicar of Christ, as who else could “he” be, sustained over 20 centuries into this time?) would be in that particular time when the person of the Antichrist would then reveal himself, in his Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, chapter 2, 3-11. In the objective state of mortal sin that schism begets, the most holy and august Blessed Trinitarian Life does not remain there, within the deepest interiority of those human souls who freely choose this opposition to Caritas as Caritas Himself. One cannot both oppose Caritas and have Him present within his deepest interiority at once, as this places an affront to the law of non-contradiction. After all, our prayer life is our path to God as He sees fit, and those in schism have lost the path by virtue of their spiritual blindness, as they have lost the Trinitarian Life within, as the Singular and Infinite Beacon of Light as Light Himself, guiding us into His Trinitarian Life as our final disposition.
Prior to your comment just quoted, you wrote this about “cardinal” Joachim Meisner:
“As recently reported by Maike Hickson, whose finger on the pulse of the Church in Germany is proving to be of great value, the idea found support among at least one of the Dubia Brothers:
In 2016, shortly after the brief meeting in Cuba between Pope Francis and the Orthodox Patriarch Kirill, Cardinal Meisner proposed at the same above-mentioned conference (video, in German, available HERE) that this historic event could and should inspire both the Catholic and the Orthodox leaders to “consecrate us all to the Mother of God in the midst of the current difficulties, just as the seer children of Fatima proposed it.” [emphasis added by Mrs. Hickson]”.
This comment simply could not be made by an authentic Prince of Holy Mother Church as this comment of Meisner (may Almighty God have mercy on his soul) places an affront to the scholastic law of non-contradiction as noted above. A Prince of Holy Mother Church has received the intellective lights through grace received, to understand this most basic ontological reality. Meisner died, at least as objectively understood, as a member of the church of the Antichrist, whose vicar remains as Jorge Mario Bergoglio. This is as it can only remain, the summa and summit of deception. The Church of Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God, remains as it can only be, preserved until the end of time, as commanded by the Son of God as God Himself, while at once His Vicar is “in eclipse” as is His Church. One is not visible without the other. The Mother of God prepared us for this in her promises at LaSalette. Saint Paul prepared us for this in his Second Epistle to the Thessalonians. The reality of today speaks as res ipsa loquitur for all those with eyes that see and ears that hear. When the Mother of God promises that, “The Church will have a frightful crisis.”, can one even begin to presume that, that which she identifies as “frightful”, would not be the most hideous, deceit filled, and awful occurrence that the Evil One could possibly muster? In that understanding, can one even begin to imagine a greater deception, that which would lead the greatest number of souls into eternal perdition, than to have the edifice of the Mystical Bride of Christ stolen from right under the “eyes” of the faithful in 1958, when the Papacy of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ, went into eclipse and the papacy of the church of the Antichrist was born, with its gospel of man, its faith in man, as the religion of man, all orchestrated preternaturally in the mind of Lucifer, while at once executed by his mercenaries, all dressed up in the robes of the Church and simultaneously acting as Her assassins? I pray this helps. In caritas.
Really appreciate the video. How is it that the head of the Roman Catholic Church is so seemingly blind to the obvious truth which you present?
I’m not surprised that Catholic ecumenists are on board with such an idea, but is there any evidence whatsoever that the Orthodox themselves are interested in this? They pretty flatly reject devotion to the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts. Any consecration would be to the Mother of God more generally, not under the specific title of the Immaculate Heart.