Imagine a day in the coming year when Pope Francis will make a surprise announcement:
“In today’s world, shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of the poor, in order to guide the Church in the way of synodality and to proclaim the rights of the human person … I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry of Bishop of Rome…”
Some weeks later, a global television audience the size of which exceeds that of the last five Super Bowls combined will look on, with copious tears in their collective eyes, as Francesco makes one last entrance into St. Peter’s Square via a self-powered Papal Flintstone Coup. With chants of sant’oggi, sant’oggi, sant’oggi ringing out from the assembled faithful (along with their Muslim, Jewish and Wiccan brothers and sisters), Francesco will then climb aboard the Humble Copter and depart for Argentina where a one room flat in an interdenominational retirement community awaits…
It’s quite a dream until one realizes that the College of Cardinals, with the likes of Roger Maphony, Walter “profound and serene” Kasper, and Oscar (winner for best supporting role in a modernist papacy) Rodriguez Maradiaga will assemble in conclave shortly thereafter to elect the next Superior General of the Vatican Peace Corps.
And so the nightmare continues.
That last paragraph sadly sums up the problem. Common sense dictates that there will never again be another good pope, short of the Church truly being leveled to its very foundations and forced to rebuild from the ground up. Don’t see it happening. The only real question is how truly bad is it going to get? At what point in the future will the Catholic Church be totally indistinguishable from any other “church”, or mosque, or temple?
I think its high time Fellay names some new bishops instead of sitting on his hands like he seems to do.
Hi Louie. That is exactly the problem. So how do we get out of this nightmare situation? I woke up with this same question recently and the answer that I received is that the few remaining faithful Catholics must declare their own Council of Restoration. Although you might very well argue that the cure might very well kill the patient! But what alternatives are there when the patient is terminally ill?
We need to elect a Pope by popular acclamation of traditionalists, not by a group of aging apostates and heretics.
Indeed, what we wait for now is the action of He who is Pure Act. He will restore the Church – not men.
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When this happens, we will have a proper consecration of Russia, its conversion, and the period of peace in the world we’ve been promised.
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These things are certainties.
Dear Louie and fellow Traditional Catholics,
It’s time to face the fact that we’re living through a time of “great distress” if not THE one mentioned in the Book of Revelations. But before we go revolutionary about it, shouldn’t we recall Our Lord’s words–” portae inferi non praevalebunt”, and ” His call to persevere to the end, to be saved? The Saints which St. John saw in Heaven had washed their robes white in the blood of the Lamb, not by following Lutherian impulses to break away or re-make the Church from scratch.
Jesus told His followers go teach and Baptize, and “ecce, ego vobiscum sum omnibus diebus usque ad consummationem saeculi”
John Bosco’s vision of the two Popes being struck down–with the first one recovering and the last one being killed, echoes the Fatima prophecy in which many Cardinals are taken out with the Pope, while the land all around them is mangled as if by a hurricaine. He said that right after that, a third Council will be called, resulting in Peace spreading over the whole sea.
Granted, no one knows the details or timing of any of that, but we surely can see that Scripture and prophecies are coming true right before our eyes, day by day now. St. John was told to go measure the temple–but not the outer courts which had been given over to Pagans. Didn’t we just see a photo of the Pope with one arm around a Muslim and the other around a Rabbi, without mentioning their need to believe in Jesus to avoid Hell?
No doubts about it, we’re in need of Divine intervention, but remember that God always keeps His promises. Let’s not take matters into our own hands in a way that destroys our united effort to persevere to the end. Preach and pray all you can, and proselytize anyone willing to listen. God will bless all our sincere, Faithful efforts, to be sure.
There are many who would breathe a sigh of relief if Bergoglio resigned. However, whenever a Pope abdicates, the Papacy itself is demeaned and diminished. Imagine having two (or more!) ex-Popes roaming around giving their opinions and taking part in Vatican ceremonies. This would destroy the Papacy as surely as having a Pope as inept as Bergoglio. Also, as Louie has pointed out, the same Cardinals who elected Bergoglio will be electing a new Pope from the same pool. Doesn’t sound very hopeful, does it? As previous bloggers have stated, the “mess” is so bad only Divine Intervention can help us now. Our Lady, Help of Christians, pray for us!
“St. Peter’s Square via a self-powered Papal Flintstone Coup. With chants of sant’oggi”. Heheh. I’d bet this would be exactly how it would play out, only this charicature is the actuality of it. I suspect he would retire to the humble one floor of a five star in BA there to receive pilgrims for the remainder of his days.
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who would be next? The Siri-Theorists who reckon that Cardinal Siri was legally made pope in ’58 (permitted by the church’s enemies so the gifts of the Holy Ghost would rest upon Siri and not Roncalli so Roncalli could get on with his agenda) have it that Cardinal Siri organised underground Cardinals (and designated a Camerlengo) who could convene a lawful conclave in the future. one can dream, can’t one?
May his pontificate be short…and either Cardinal Ranjith, Bp Shneider, or Cardinal Burke take his place…Amen!
The Franciscan Sisters are now being sent to the novus ordo rack in the vii oubliette because they are ‘guilty’ of the novus ordo sin of a ‘preconcilliar formation’, which the Remnant rightly says,is nothing more than a good Catholic formation. It’s becoming as plain as the nose on Cyrano’s face that the novus ordo is a church at odds with the Catholic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. it has a new mass, new rites of ordination, new sacramental rites even new non-exorcism ‘exorcism’ prayers. it has new music, new architecture, new anti-saints, new anti-popes and new anti-doctrine. I’m not saying everyone within it is living at conscious and deliberate odds with authentic Catholicism; but the novus ordo church itself certainly wants everyone within it living at deliberate odds with authentic Catholicism. To believe this is something wrought by the Holy Ghost is absurd and something the novus ordo debacle is continuing to depend upon.
Without a divine chastisement to wake people up from their slumber, the chances of that happening are, well, let’s say – zero.
Dear Salvemur,
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Yes, it’s a dream, and nothing more than that. If one studies the Siri thesis carefully, one finds more holes in the thesis than in a Swiss cheese. The thesis is entirely untenable and implausible.
God Bless.
PS I don’t know how well known this fact is among faithful catholics (aka “traditionalists”), but recently Card Ranjith prohibited the practice of communion in the hand in his diocese.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/04/cardinal-ranjith-to-his-clergy.html
Dear Salvemur,
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As Arch Lefebvre famously said, “This conciliar church is a schismatic Church”. As such, it will drift further and further into apostasy and a denial of the natural law.
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More on the “Francis effect”: For any Spanish readers on this site, take a look at this eye popping article, in which a homo supporting Bishop in Mexico PUBLICLY and PROUDLY baptized the “daughter” of a lesbian “couple” (well probably it’s not even necessary to read the article, as the photos speak for themselves)
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http://eccechristianus.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/la-traicion-a-cristo-hace-escuela-obispo-mexicano-bautiza-hija-de-pareja-gay/
I guess the Siri-theory might be crazy (I really don’t know enough to call people exploring it as a theory, crazy – if it’s a theory as to why the vii popes work so effectively against the mission of the Church it is at least interesting), but I know enough to call liturgical dance masses crazy, and clown masses and clown popes and catholics who think worshipping with false-religionists is something pleasing to God, and millions of Catholics engaging unashamedly in the culture of death as simply a matter of conscience, crazy; and, also crazy, and probably coming soon, that the indissolubility of marriage is just another pre-vii ‘fairytale’ that ‘realists’ don’t need to bother with. the watershed dismissal of Latin – the sacred liturgical language – is crazy, inviting false religions to re-invent the Church (which happened at VII) is crazy; the marxisation of the seminaries is crazy. Bob Dolan once said, if the military ran their operation the way the Church has for the last 50 years, we’d all be conquered by now. I look at the broad visible church and see a novus ordo church conquered by modernism. I know the Church must persist till the end, Christ said it would, so where is the real unconquered Church? it cannot be the ‘church’ that is clearly conquered, it has to be the Church that has not been overcome. God spared Lot and his family, but only if they got out of sodom and gomorrah. Will God spare us if we stick around in the novus ordo gomorrahs? If the situation of today’s visible Catholic Church had been presented to our grandparents they would definitely have called it crazy; yet for us, it’s just business as usual, just like a pope saying there is no Catholic God – business as usual; or that Christ pretends – business as usual; or the Blessed Virgin wasn’t sinless – business as usual; or that faithful Catholics are (all the insults he has hurled) – business as usual. Things unimaginable, popes now do with nothing but applaud from the conquered church. I also think it’s crazy that woltyla and roncalli were raised to the altars – ever, let alone the first in shorter time than Padre Pio from their deaths, the latter in the same, and soon paul vi in the same amount of time as Padre Pio – who never once said a novus ordo mass and thought the happenings of the new church grave indeed and he didn’t get to see the ‘best’ of it. I’ve hit up against too many novus ordo priests and catechists and pew-punters who really think the pre-vii church and those who believe its doctrines are anti-catholic, which I think is crazy.
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What I see is two generations of Catholics now who think the way people believed and worshipped 5 short decades ago is WRONG. Who is wrong? We can’t both be right, the novus ordites or traditional Catholics? And if the novus ordites are wrong, why are they wrong? simple, they believe and worship in a way that is at odds and against the belief and worship of the the True Church which held fast against protestantism for 500 years and which held out against all those other onslaughts of anti-christs for 1500 years before that, managing to convert the world along the way. I think it’s pretty sane to conclude that most novus ordo catholics are protestants – some knowingly embracing the protest, many not even having a clue that the wool has been pulled over their entire faith lives so far and demonstrating a bambi in headlightsness if one even gently tries to show the difference between the novus ordo way and the Catholic way.
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“But this thou hast (Christ commending the church at Ephesus), that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaites (heretics), which I also hate…” to the church in Pergamus; “But I have against thee a few things: because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat (the food of idols), and to commit fornication”; to the Church in Laodicea, “But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.”
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If anyone has a good theory as to why the VII Popes have been doing the work of the world and not the Church for 50 years, I’d be interested to hear it. I know we have had bad popes but they don’t seem to have all had one voice like the vii popes which is at odds with the one voice of all the prior popes.
According to the article the “bishop” who performed the “baptism” said that Bergoglio told the Mexican bishops that they must show “mercy” towards homosexuals and those that are divorced, and that they should not judge priests that have been legally accused of [homosexually] abusing children. And then I imagine that he said to make sure to crack down with full force any Catholics that show any signs of attempting to restore the pre-Vatican II Church.
This is a spiritual WAR. And while Bergoglio’s apologist are busy covering up his latest war crime, Bergoglio’s troops continue marching and conquering new spiritual territory for their Fuehrer. And it takes little imagination to know who (or what) is behind all of this.
Pray for us O Mother of God! Crush the head of this serpent, we beseech thee.
Abp Lefebvre apparently had hoped the schismatic concilliarists would have come their senses by now too. As Rich mentioned, the SSPX bishops are not getting any younger – i hope they are not gonna play the waiting game with the modernists – if Archbishop Lefebvre had done that, as he said to the concilliarists, ‘you’re just waiting for me to die’, so he went ahead with the ordinations. modernists are like mould – they can wait all century for the tree to fall because they know satan’ll give them new spores off their own rot.
it’s the Feast of the Queenship of Blessed Mary, ever Virgin. Regina Caelorum, ora pro nobis.
ALARM, brethren
His Humildad has scheduled the prayer together for peeeeth with jew- muslim in the Vatican for Pentecost.
Penance, Penance, Penance.
Pray, pray much for the Holy Father.
Archbishop Lefebvre,
protector of Truth undefiled, author of They Have Uncrowned Him, ora pro nobis.
splendid,
thank you my dear Edu.
Dear Salvemur,
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Just to clarify, I’m not calling anyone who is interested in looking into the Siri thesis crazy. Searching for the truth is not a sign of craziness but of sanity. All I’m saying is that if one puts the Siri thesis under close scrutiny one finds it to have many holes and that it is essentially untenable.
Pax.
yeah; crazy is watching the caretakers of the well poison it and still going back to drink from it – what the novus ordo demands. I once asked a more traditionally minded priest what do about the sacriligious mass I was stuck with of a Sunday – basically he said, ‘be thankful, many Catholics no longer have a parish priest, and so have no mass.’ at the time I tried to take his advice but now I think being greatful because the wretched mess of the novus ordo still has a protestant presider is a bit silly, to say the least.
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back to the,’58 conclave, I wonder what was going on for those five minutes when the smoke was white and everyone thought we had a pope. I guess the straw guy might have forgotten to damp the straw. I wonder if they fired him after such a boo-boo?
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the chatter regarding a “Nicaea III” in 2025. Though I highly doubt it will be an actual Ecumenical Council, this “gathering”, I’d say, is what Francis is planning as his legacy.
Something tells me that bergoglio wont be around by that point. Pope dolan I will need to take his place.
Agreed.
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Am I the only one reminded of Our Lord’s temptation in the desert, and how the post-Vatican II church has given in to each one of those temptations?
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#1. “And the tempter coming said to him: If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.”
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The modernist, having fallen prey to this temptation, reduces Christ’s Church to a social justice enterprise.
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#2. “Then the devil took him up into the holy city, and set him upon the pinnacle of the temple, and said to him: If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written: That he hath given his angels charge over thee, and in their hands shall they bear thee up, lest perhaps thou dash thy foot against a stone.”
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The modernist, having fallen prey to this temptation, believes that, because Christ promised that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church, God will sanction any and all innovations introduced by His people.
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#3. “Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, and said to him: All these will I give thee, if falling down thou wilt adore me.”
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The modernist, having fallen prey to this temptation, believes that we will best evangelize the nations of the world by praising their false religions.
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Maybe I’m just imagining things, though….
Dear Fellow Faithful Catholics,
Those who know the truth and are trying to do the work of saving souls, have every reason to be anguished, like King David when he cried to the Lord to be delivered from iniquity which had “lied to itself” and for the grace to “wait for the Lord with courage” while many “speak of peace but evil is in their hearts.”
Our work is made more difficult by every false teaching and scandal that occurs or remains uncorrected. But is anyone taking Scripture’s advice of what to do at times like these, and pausing long enough to PRAISE GOD?.
Because He has proven Himself trustworthy for all time, and already completed the work that made possible the salvation of every soul that will ever come to Him, and is always using (including right now) every event in human life to draw all men to Himself.
And since He is perfect in every way, His enduring of 33 years of day to day torment from living in a sinful world made His earthly sufferings so great we can barely begin to imagine them, much less experience their depth ourselves. (Not to denigrate what anyone is suffering) Yet we are called to imitate Him, both in that suffering, and in the Trust He demonstrated in the Father’s love and will.
Sometimes Jesus prayed all night and then taught all day, to the point where He was so exhausted he could remain sound asleep in the back of a boat being rocked by a storm so violent it panicked a bunch of seasoned fisherman . When they woke him He essentially showed them and told them that their biggest problem wasn’t the storm, but not having enough Faith in Him to prevent their panic.
When Jesus prayed that His Apostles might all be one, and not only them, but all who would come to believe in Him through them. He prayed FOR ALL OF US at that moment in time, and so WE AND ALL OUR SUFFERINGS are right there, recorded in Scripture, along with all the other truths.
He said if we follow Him, the world with treat us as it did Him, and hate us, but not to fear, because He has overcome the world.
He said He doesn’t intend to lose any soul the Father has given Him, so we are called to continue the work of reaching out to anyone who will listen, while enduring the world’s hatred and persecution and all the other storms that come, by living in total trust of Him Who has proven Himself Trustworthy.
So our job is to pray for everyone including the worst- duped and the most ignorant–who are in any way in the grasp of Satan. We are called to keep speaking and writing and loving and sacrificing and praying–doing all that Jesus did, the way He did it to the best of our abilities and according to our vocations. If that includes ignoring bad Popes who say to stop proselytizing or to put Dogma in the background while we feed bodies instead of saving souls from Hell, then we just have to ignore them, and go on doing what we know Jesus wants us to do-knowing our Good Shepherd’s voice, and following Him.
That’s not to say there isn’t adequate reason to discuss all the bad stuff going on, and even vent a lot of frustration, but let’s not forget to let that all lead us to pray just as hard for these foolish blind false prophets, as we do for the wise, brave fellow Catholics being persecuted by them. By that, all will know that we are truly children of the Father. That’s real love–enlightened by Truth. And
acknowledging our weakened state as humans, let us help God fight this war and blast Satan back into Hell by humbly praying the Rosary and attending Mass daily when possible. Those are the nuclear weapons in God’s arsenal, according to all the Saints who have gone before us and used them so successfully.
Our family believes that despite all the valid objections to the NO, if it’s all that is available on a daily basis, and there is a priest who says it reverently, it’s better for our souls and those for whom we pray, for us to receive the Holy Eucharist than to abstain from it. Granted many of you have raised intelligent arguments, but if you truly believe the Confection of the Eucharist at these Masses is invalid, then why such concern for whether it is received in the hand or on the tongue? And if you believe it is still valid, as we do, then unless the disfigurement of the rite causes you to sin at Mass, why would you avoid Our Dear Lord?
Matthew — excellent analogy!
Thanks for the excellent points, sober assessment and pious reflections.
God Bless.
Salvemur,
Louie linked a document here not too long ago called something like “Roncalli Bolshevik,” which contained the information that there was indeed another prelate elected first in 1958. However, according to this document, it wasn’t Siri, but an Armenian. Can’t remember the name, unfortunately. Anyway, Fr. Malachi Martin described a “little brutality” when referring to this 1958 election. Apparently, whoever it was that was first elected was threatened via a note delivered to one of the Cardinals, then immediately resigned, paving the way for Roncalli as a compromise, who in turn paved the way for the Judas Montini. So goes the scenario, at any rate.
“…Francesco will then climb aboard the Humble Copter and depart for Argentina…”
Whoa! Louie! That is some flight in a copter.
if Siri ever was elected he never let on – he did however, write openly about the conclave being under attack from ‘outside powers’.
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“The seclusion of the conclave is even more necessary today. With modern means, with modern techniques, without complete seclusion, it would not be possible to gain an election against the pressures from outside powers. Today some superpowers (and even some lesser powers) have too great an interest in owning, for their part, through either compliance or weakness [of church leaders], the greatest moral authority in the world. And they would do everything in their power to accomplish this. The pressures to overturn the substance of the law of the conclave would be driven by the desire to obtain this very result.” Giuseppe Siri – the Election of a Pope.
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these, rather confused words, from the last interview with Cardinal Siri:
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http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Chap17_1-Eng.pdf
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‘The World in Our Time.’
Cardinal Pie of Poitiers
(1815 – 1880)
“It is certain that as the world draws towards its end the wicked and the seducers will increasingly have the upper hand.
Faith will hardly be found any longer on earth; that is to say that it will have all but completely disappeared from the institutions of the world.
Even believers will scarcely dare to profess their beliefs publicly and collectively.
The scission, the separation, the divorce of societies from God, which is given by St. Paul as a sign of the approaching end (“…nisi venerit discessio primum…”) will become each day more absolute.
The Church, though of course still a visible society, will be increasingly reduced to individual and domestic proportions. She who in Her young days cried out: “the place is strait: give me room wherein to dwell,” will see every inch of Her territory under attack. Surrounded on all sides, as the other centuries have made Her great, so the last will strive to crush Her. And finally the Church on earth will undergo a true defeat: “…and it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.” (Apocalypse 13:7) The insolence of evil will be at its peak.
Now, in this extremity, what will be the remaining duty of all true Christians, of all men of faith and courage?
The answer is this: spurred on to ever greater vigour by the apparent hopelessness of their predicament, they will redouble their ardour in prayer, their energy in works, and their courage in combat so that their every word and work cries out together:
“Oh God, Our Father, who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name, on earth as it is in Heaven,
Thy Kingdom come, on earth as it is in Heaven,
Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven
Sicut in coelo…et in terra!”
And they shall still be murmuring these words as the earth is snatched from beneath their feet. And just as of old, after a comparable calamity, the Roman Senate and every rank of the state once went forth to greet the conquered consul Varro on his return and to honour him for not despairing of the Republic (“…quod de re publica non desperasset…”), so shall the celestial senate, all the choirs of angels and all the ranks of the Blessed come out to welcome the generous athletes who have continued the combat to the end, hoping against hope itself, “…contra spem in spem…” (Romans 4:17).
Come, Lord Jesus.”
So, according to Cardinal Pie, the visible Church, ” will be increasingly reduced to individual and domestic proportions”. I guess that answers my previous question.
Catholic Thinker: I saw your question on the previous post and answered it – albiet long windedly. i also think this:
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http://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/revolution-in-instalments/
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is what has been happening since the death of Pius XII, no doubt well in the works before then, but unable to get a foothold because Pius was clearly working for the Holy Ghost and the ‘spirit of vii’, or the ‘spirit of assisi’ or the ‘spirit of ecumensim’ or the multitude of spirits raised from who knows where, but the concilliar popes.
that should be and NOT the ‘spirit of vii’, or the ‘spirit of assisi’ or the ‘spirit of ecumensim’ or the multitude of spirits raised from who knows where, but the concilliar popes.
The following article was published in yesterday’s ‘Rorate Caeli’ online blog:
“”Two Popes”: Has the Papacy become a Diarchy? Messori enters into the picture, Socci stands his ground and questions Special double-article post”
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/05/two-popes-has-papacy-become-diarchy.html
Well worth the read. And the hits just keep on comin’
Ever heard of distributed responsibility? A liberal ploy that makes it impossible to blame anyone at the ‘top’, no matter what an abominable mess things are.
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/restorationradio/2014/06/02/true-restoration-flagship-xxxvii-confessions-of-a-novus-ordo-seminarian
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“Confessions of a Novus Ordo Seminarian”
**PARENTAL WARNING: Mature Audiences Only**
p.s. should add that the seminarian in question now considers him sv.
p.s.s. around ’33 minutes, hear about how they had devised a psychological test wherein pre-VII priests who had done the test all answered the same, so that if seminarians answered as pre-VII priests did, they were weeded out.
I’ve figured out that for the sv Catholic, plain and simple, a modernist cannot hold the Keys of the Kingdom, no matter how many people hail him as pope:
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http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/resignationism-angelo-scola.htm
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which shouldn’t surprise a Catholic since modernism was decried in no uncertain terms by a century of popes leading up to the election of roncalli – who ‘opened the windows’ to the syncretism of all heresies – something the Vicar of Christ could not do, unless people keep redefining exactly what is supposed to be infallible about the true successor of St Peter. I’ve looked at the Black Legends idea, but it still seems no popes changed the Faith – and anti-popes are not true popes – which means the faith VII expounds – modernism, new rites, new theology, new ecumenism, banishment of that same Church defending itself from the pope down against modernism – is not the Faith – and therefore what we have is an anti-pope – several of them, since the death of Pius XII. I can’t comment on the sv position that NO episcopal ordination cannot be valid – that’s too technical.
I’d say that Francis’ claim that he thinks of retiring is as unbelievable as his claim that he almost declined to accept the papacy in the first place. Most powermongers say that they don’t really want to rule.
He’s having the time of his life destroying all that’s good and holy. He’ll voluntarily forgo that when Hillary forgoes running for president – which is never.
Interesting, thanks salvemur. I downloaded it so that for now I could skip to that part, on psychological preferences:
Pre-VII
quiet, privacy oriented
detailed and orderly, logical
Post-VII
external activity
intuition, feelings, flexible, new
Sure sounds like the difference between conservative and liberal types. I’d add:
pre
individualistic, interested in justice and responsibility
post
all about the group, no sense of right-vs-wrong so interested in unconditional “mercy”
It is no suurprise I suppose, although the novus orgy seminary is still something that’s a shocker. One really doesn’t have to wonder why the NO is not pleasing to God.
When his libcatbros voted Frankie to bishop of Rome, he joked, (at least this is widely reported and not at all denied by the Vatican) ‘may God forgive you brothers’. Forgive them for what, one might wonder?