In addition to the brilliant one-liners offered in his La Nacion interview, following are some notes on the pope’s more serious comments.
– Pope Francis mentioned that nasty old “proselytism” no less than five times.
OK, OK, we get it, Holy Father; that venerable practice otherwise known as the mission that Jesus Christ gave to the Church is still on hold. So noted.
– The Holy Father said with respect to opposition to his agenda:
“Resistance is now evident. And that is a good sign for me, getting the resistance out into the open, no stealthy mumbling when there is disagreement … it´s very healthy.”
This only reinforces the prediction that I made just prior to the Synod’s closing:
Pope Francis will close the Extraordinary Synod by extending words of deep gratitude to the bishops for their hard work and openness to frank dialogue. He may perhaps even make a little joke and flash a “humble” grin, but make no mistake; this is no laughing matter, neither for the pope nor for those men who stood up in opposition to his agenda of “mercy.”
Watch for the Bergoglian Retribution to unfold over the next year as his foes (read: defenders of the Catholic faith no matter how lukewarm) are duly compensated for their offense.
How he does this may not be public nor immediately obvious, and while his retributive injustice may not include every last name on his hit list, rest assured he will make examples of enough of them that the others will get the message.
– Concerning the Curia’s reform, the pope said, “You see, in pre-conclave meetings, as cardinals we have demanded lots of things which we should certainly not forsake.”
This isn’t the first time Pope Francis has indicated that he is in some sense beholden to an agenda that was set by the cardinal electors prior to the conclave. If the translation is to be trusted, the Holy Father stops short of suggesting that an agreement was made (as some suspect), but that said, “demand” is a rather strong word in its own right; one that leaves the door open for more speculation.
– The Synodal process, according to the pope, is “a protected space where the Holy Spirit may endeavour.”
It was unsettling enough when Pope Francis suggested that the breath of the Holy Spirit inspired the text of the Second Vatican Council, but the Synod?
Well, that’s the “God of surprises” for you, I suppose!
Pope Paul VI set the stage for this nonsense when he established the Synod for the purpose of allowing the bishops, together with the pope, “to facilitate agreement, at least on essential matters of doctrine and on the course of action to be taken in the life of the Church.” (Apostolic Letter, Apostolica Sollicitudo)
Sounds harmless enough until you consider the plain fact that there really are no “essential matters of doctrine” over which legitimate disagreements exist, and when there is such disagreement expressed, we have a name for it; heresy.
– This brings me to the “case of divorcees who have remarried,” as the pope called them.
According to Pope Francis, “We posed the question, what do we do with them? What door can we allow them to open?
I have a couple of questions of my own: Who says we have to do anything with them that isn’t already being done?
In other words, from where is this sense of urgency coming?
To be sure, unlike the homosexualist movement referenced in the previous post, the numbers of Catholics who are civilly divorced and remarried is indeed appreciable.
Even so, don’t be fooled; the urgency isn’t a response to the pleas of the “divorcees” themselves, it’s a fruit of the insatiable desire to reform that is part and parcel of the conciliar revolution.
Consider the “problem” as presented for our consideration by the pope:
In the case of divorcees who have remarried, we posed the question, what do we do with them? What door can we allow them to open? This was a pastoral concern: will we allow them to go to Communion? Communion alone is no solution. The solution is integration. They have not been excommunicated, true. But they cannot be godfathers to any child being baptized, mass readings are not for divorcees, they cannot give communion, they cannot teach Sunday school, there are about seven things that they cannot do, I have the list over there. Come on! If I disclose any of this it will seem that they have been excommunicated in fact!
OK, let me get this straight…
“Divorcees” are barred from reading the Scriptures at Holy Mass and disqualified from teaching Sunday school?
Not to be flippant, but on what planet is this the case?
Come to think of it, where exactly are those Catholic parishes, the pastors of which encourage (much less enforce) abstention from Holy Communion on the part of “divorcees who have remarried” until such time as they remedy their situation?
It’s difficult enough to find a bishop with the wherewithal to even suggest that notorious pro-abortion politicians abstain from Communion, and the pope thinks there’s an urgent need to make sure “divorcees” aren’t barred from acting as godparents and handing out Jesus on Sunday?
This is wholesale lunacy.
Having spent many a year in the Novus Ordo world, a number of them while abstaining from Holy Communion until my own marriage was regularized, I know firsthand that all but a tiny percentage of the people present rush forth to receive the Eucharist at every single Mass.
Oh, the “divorcees who have remarried” are there, and indeed some in this situation do willingly abstain from the sacraments, but the overwhelming majority simply march right on up for Communion with the rest of the herd. And what’s more, the pastor knows it.
In fact, unless you happen to be one of those fortunate few who belongs to a parish that has some crypto-Lefebvrean tendencies or otherwise tends to lean in what Pope Francis would call a neo-pelagian restorationist direction, the proper disposition for the reception of Holy Communion is a message you will rarely if ever hear discussed.
That, my friends, is the real problem, and it’s an old one.
The failure of our pastors to teach the sacred deposit of Christian doctrine and to rule accordingly has been a problem for more than forty years now thanks to the earthbound, man centered orientation of the Second Vatican Council.
Our Blessed Lord warned His Apostles, “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me first.”
And yet the vast majority of the hierarchy today, not just including, but especially the pope, give forth every indication that they simply are not willing to risk being hated for His sake; preferring instead to conjure up solutions to make believe problems, all in an effort to court the affections of men.
I guess the fact that I can’t make head nor tail out of what this man says could point to a disorientation on my part.
The ‘diabolical’ part is all Francis though.
On second thought it has been pointed out that we simply MUST take Francis at his word. When he says something he means it. Everything. He says his words are plain (tis to laugh!) but they really ARE plain. We just can’t believe he means what he says because of what will happen if his plans are carried out.
I’m sick about this.
“all in an effort to court the affections of men”… I wonder, as is noted here as well, that there seems to be more of a clamor from the hierarchy about change than from the people. As Catholics we know well the Faith, Traditions, traditions, and practices of our Church. Now there seems to be a need to change all of those elements. This is all played out on the stage of the victimized. Yet, I question just whom we are dealing with. The faithful have been lulled to sleep by 50 years of innuendo about our ways. Now comes the time to hit upon that which has been accomplished by VII et alii to enable the final blow to the core of the Church. I for one think all of this has little to do with the people in the pews…so to speak. If anything is obvious from recent history, it is that the masses can be swayed to believe and take action, even violent, when sufficiently agitated by special groups. Those groups are set into action both by direction and resources by the elite who have their own agenda about what to do with this world and its people. The Church has been the light and the salt that stood up against the flood of evil. My question is just who is running the Church today? What elite group is using the Church hierarchy like puppets to entertain and influence the thinking of people so they can move ahead with the dismantling of the Church? We know already that the attack has reached to Vatican now with all its own and many scandals. The focus of our attention should be to find who is behind that curtain, who is the piper of all this change? Yes, we know it is satan, but who are his elites? Just who is running the Church today?
Hi rcaamo. Who is running the Church today, you ask? Heretic Modernists is the answer.
As you know, this particular heresy has been growing, developing, and morphing for 200 years, and has culminated in what we see in Pope Francis and his cohort today.
You are correct when you say the man in the pew has nothing to say. Most don’t notice because they are asleep, lulled by Dan Shulte’s ‘music’ and the snore-fest called a ‘homily.
Fighting evil that comes from outside has been easy. The bloodier, tougher, and sadder fight is against evil within the ranks of those we are supposed to love, trust and honour.
Talk about hitting the nail on the head and with perfect timing!
You ended this post with:
“ALL IN AN EFFORT TO COURT THE AFFECTIONS OF MEN.”
Gloria.tv. reported today: “POPE FRANCIS HAS REFUSED TO MEET THE DALAI LAMA, WHO ARRIVED YESTERDAY IN ROME, ALTHOUGH HIS DELEGATION HAD ASKED FOR AN AUDIENCE.”
–“THE REASON FOR THE REFUSAL IS POLITICAL. THE POPE DOES NOT WANT TO UPSET THE COMMUNIST REGIME IN BEIJING”
-The Washington Post saId: “The Vatican spokesman has not said whether the Pope personally turned down the request, just that he was not able to meet at this time, with the “Nobel Laureates”. (The Dalai Lama is one of them this year)
-Unless this turns out to be a false or exaggerated news story, the Pope has some serious explaining to do (if he doesn’t want Mundabors TMAHICH [The Most Astonishing Hypocrite in Church History] to go viral-maybe on T-shirts?), He’s so often gone on record saying things like this about Traditional Catholics:
–“Today’s ..PHARISEES are the self-appointed pastoral border guards WHO HOLD UP A HAND of consternation INSTEAD OF OFFERING ONE IN WELCOME when the less-than-perfect among us seek to gate-crash at the house of the lord.” (America mag. May 2013)
–“THOSE WHO APPROACH THE CHURCH SHOULD FIND THE DOORS OPEN” (Vatican News May 25, 2013)
–“ARE WE CAPABLE OF WELCOMING THESE PEOPLE, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?” Synod on Family Interim relatio -re homosexuals:
–Pope Francis warned: “When we are on the street and find ourselves in front of a closed Church, we feel that something is strange.”
–“Sometimes “they give us reasons” as to why they are closed: They give “excuses, justifications, but the fact remains that the Church is closed and the people who pass by cannot enter.” And, even worse, the Lord cannot be close to the people.
— “Jesus speaks to us about the “image of the lock”; it is “the image of those Christians who have the key in their hand, but take it away, without opening the door.” -Worse still, “they keep the door closed” and “don’t allow anyone to enter.” In so doing, they themselves do not enter. The “lack of Christian witness does this,” he said, and “WHEN THIS CHRISTIAN IS A PRIEST, A BISHOP, OR A POPE, IT IS WORSE.”
-“HOW DOES IT HAPPEN, Francis asks, that a “Christian falls into this attitude” “IDEOLOGIES ARE RIGID always.” “And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, HE HAS LOST THE FAITH: he is NO LONGER A DISCIPLE OF JESUS, HE IS A DISCIPLE OF THIS ATTITUDE OF THOUGHT.”
— “Ideology chases away the people, distances, DISTANCES the people and distances the Church of the people. -But WHY IS IT A CHRISTIAN CAN BECOME LIKE THIS? JUST ONE THING: THIS CHRISTIAN DOES NOT PRAY. AND IF THERE IS NO PRAYER, YOU ALWAYS CLOSE.
The last time someone Very Important was rebuffed by a Pope in favor of “courting the affections of ” the Communists, she said, among other things:
“If my requests are not heeded, the Holy Father will have much to suffer.”
So Francis was right about one thing: It’s always these RIGID IDEOLOGIES that get in the way of being a real follower of Jesus- that, and lack of Prayer, he says…
Dear Barbara, all faithful Catholics are suffering terribly because of the evil-doing of the Pope. Let us daily offer that suffering in reparation for the evils of the leaders in the Church, the persecution of the good, and the purification of the Church. Blessed Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle . . .
Thank you for speaking the terrible truth, in love for God and His Holy Church, Mr Verrechio.
The “solution” for divorced persons living in sin with someone to whom they are not married (because they are married to another) is to repent, to stop the public adultery, and if possible, return to their true spouse. Sacramental absolution must be received before receiving the Blessed Sacrament. To receive the Blessed Sacrament whilst in a state of mortal sin, is a mortal sin, a terrible sacrilege. If the sin is manifest and obstinate, as it is where a person has left his true spouse (itself a mortal sin), and furthermore, lives in an adulterous relationship with another (another mortal sin), then it is a mortal sin for the Minister to administer the Blessed Sacrament to him, for he knowingly cooperates in the sacrilege of Our Lord, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
“We posed the question, what do we do with them? What door can we allow them to open?”
Answer: The door to the confessional always is open.
PERFECT ! 🙂 🙂
Louie, you are correct. If the Synod allows Holy Communion for the divorced and re-married, it is not proclaiming a new tenet. It is merely validating what is the behavior in almost every N.O. church. Also, there is very little or any talk re the annulment process. I think the word “annulment” is too closely related to the Catholic Church even if annulments are too easily given. The object is the demoralize and diminish anything “Catholic”. If Bergoglio was elected to destroy everything Catholic, he should be given a standing ovation by the hirelings who brought him to the throne of Peter.
Dear Louie and all,
This link is to one of the most expansive interviews with Cardinal Burke we’ve ever come across. What makes is even better is the quality of the questions.
Everything we’ve been discussing here plus.
Indignus, thanks for passing on the link to Cardinal Burke’s interview.
Something I find very restful about him, is his complete lack of anger. He states the truth in a firm way, but never resorts to anger – he turns it into sadness, and a sort of hope for the future.
He’s wonderful. Let’s pray he has a long, long, long life.
Thank you, Indignus, for this link!
I would love to hear a debate between Burke and Bergoglio on these same questions!
I think the contrast would be astonishing!!!!!
Dear Barbara and my2cents,
You’re very welcome. We see it as an early Christmas Present to all the Faithful who are so hungry for truth right now…
And Barbara, we know exactly what you mean–it’s like sitting at the feet of Jesus- or at least one of his disciples who actually applies the Faith to his own life, and has grown holy. Though we did notice an absence of questions on ecumenism, he covered so much more than usual, we think this one will be analyzed for a long while.
He seemed stronger than usual on the N.O, too
We liked that said when it’s done with great care–” one can see more clearly the unity of the two forms of the same rite.” but then he didn’t hide the fact that
he ” witnessed the liturgical experimentations -SOME OF WHICH I JUST DONT EVEN WANT TO REMEMBER.” and added:
“I must say that THE LITURGICAL REFORM IN PARTICULAR WAS VERY RADICAL–, EVEN VIOLENT, and so the thought of a restoration didn’t seem possible, really. But, thanks be to God, it happened.”
His comparison of the two also made a stark contrast:
“The rich articulation of the Extraordinary Form, all of which is always pointing to the theocentric nature of the liturgy, IS PRACTICALLY DIMINISHED TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE DEGREE in the ordinary form.
And My2cents We’d rather see Burke replace Bergoglio than have to suffer the agony of seeing him try to endure ploughing through all that bad-Jesuit offal.
The Pope doesn’t seem to converse- he just digresses and diverts.
For any who prefer watching the interview rather than just reading it:
Indignus–“From your mouth to God’s ears!”
Let us pray!
It’s nearly Christmas time, so why not bask in some feel-good-schadenfreude good news?
I’m getting a kick out of watching Obama’s good socialist friend and professional liar Gruber get raked through the coals for that fraudulent daylight robbery known as Obamacare. We all know Obama and his entire administration is implicated. But it’s fun watching him squirm and wilfully play the fall guy so that he doesn’t give up his precious fuhrer and party.
Grilling Gruber Highlights
I’d feel bad for this guy for being literally abandoned by his masters… but then I remember he’s also the architect of an economic piece calling for baby-death panels to save government money by aborting them. I wonder if an economic ‘genius’ like him ever factored in that the money the government currently has and will ever have in the future obviously had to come from somewhere… hmmm? Who could it have been? And where did all those contributors come from in the first place?
Another early Christmas gift – this time from that lovely probe known as Rosetta and the trembling folks over at the European Space Agency – helping expose and overturn decades of scientific nonsense in the search for that illusory frontier that will finally, they hope, take God out of the picture. Sorry atheists… time to admit you screwed up, hand in your resignations, give Science back to the Church, and get work that meets your cognitive requirements – digging holes in the dirt. And not non-existent Einsteinian holes, I mean actual holes… with a shovel! And there we will lay the foundation stones for future Catholic Churches over your broken edifices to naturalistic scientism.
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Excellent answer! I will be quoting you on this one. That is for sure. Thanks again.
Here’s a very eerily- prophetic two pages from Bishop Fulton J. Sheen’s Book
We can’t help but think it’s coming true right before our eyes:
From ” Communism and the Consciousness of the West” 1950
“We are living in the days of the Apocalypse, the last days of our era. The two great forces-the Mystical Body of Christ and the Mystical Body of the anti-Christ are beginning to draw battle lines for the catastrophic contest.”
The False prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counterfeit Church.
Christ’s Church the Catholic Church will be one; and the false Prophet will create the other.
The False Church will be worldly, ecumenical, and global. It will be a loose federation of churches and religions, forming some type of global association.
A world parliament of Churches. It will be emptied of all Divine content, it will be the mystical body of the anti-christ. The Mystical Body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot, and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him from our Bishops.
-The Antichrist will not be so called; otherwise he would have no followers. He will not wear red tights, nor vomit sulphur, nor carry a trident nor wave an arrowed tail as Mephistopheles in Faust. This masquerade has helped the Devil convince men that he does not exist. When no man recognizes, the more power he exercises. God has defined Himself as “I am Who am,” and the Devil as “I am who am not.”
– Nowhere in Sacred Scripture do we find warrant for the popular myth of the Devil as a buffoon who is dressed like the first “red.” Rather is he described as an angel fallen from heaven, as “the Prince of this world,” whose business it is to tell us that there is no other world. His logic is simple: if there is no heaven there is no hell; if there is no hell, then there is no sin; if there is no sin, then there is no judge, and if there is no judgment then evil is good and good is evil. But above all these descriptions, Our Lord tells us that he will be so much like Himself that he would deceive even the elect–and certainly no devil ever seen in picture books could deceive even the elect. How will he come in this new age to win followers to his religion?
– The pre-Communist Russian belief is that he will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity and plenty not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves. . . .
– The third temptation in which Satan asked Christ to adore him and all the kingdoms of the world would be His, will become the temptation to have a new religion without a Cross, a liturgy without a world to come, a religion to destroy a religion, or a politics which is a religion–one that renders unto Caesar even the things that are God’s.
– In the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counter-church which will be the ape of the Church, because he, the Devil, is the ape of God. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ. . . .
-. But the twentieth century will join the counter-church because it claims to be infallible when its visible head speaks ex cathedra from Moscow on the subject of economics and politics, and as chief shepherd of world communism.
Not sure he envisioned it as a false church WITHIN the True one, but he nailed everything else.
Many thanks for a very good post, and special thanks to Indignus famulus for the link to the hope -generating interview and to Bishop Fulton Sheen’s book extract
I am learning a great deal from all these comments and links, and slowly but surely learning not to be hasty in commenting on topics without much due reflection
Two days ago, we celebrated the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, and. “Creative Minority Report” provided the link below, which called our attention to the many lesser-known miraculous aspects of this gift God allowed Our Lady to present to the world, and leave behind in Mexico, which not only led to the conversion of millions of Indians, but remains for future generations to experience as well.
– One of those , is the fact that the tilma, inexplicably maintains a constant temperature of 98.6 degrees.
This strikes us as a beautiful reminder from God and Our Blessed Mother, that part of the reason He continually calls mankind to accept the Truth and repent of sin, despite all our atrocities, is that in His great mercy, He never forgets we are all human.
” Pope Francis mentioned that nasty old “proselytism” no less than five times”.
-Bishop Fellay shows Francis how it should be done.. 😉
Blessing the Christmas crib and announcing to the world that Christ IS the King of Kings and Lord of Lords –from the EU Parliament in Brussels:
Dear Indignus famulus,
Great link. Thanks again. We will be passing this one on to others.
As a nice little contrast to the reports on more miracles from Our Lady of Guadalupe, John Vennari over at Catholic Family News blog has a link to Pope Francis’ ‘mass’ in St. Peter’s with 600 priests ‘concelebrating’ with him in a Creole style. It’s almost unwatchable, even for a few seconds. Blasphemy. Our Poor Lord. He wept over Jerusalem and would weep over Rome.
Bishop Sheen is not only a saint, but a prophet.
Here’s the link to John Vennari’s piece on the Creole ‘mass.’
I wonder if Pope Francis will have Patti Smith back for Midnight Mass, too.
It’s painful to watch such a stage-performance with all the focus on the people instead of on the altar.
Pius XI Divini Cultus On Divine Worship wrote:
“It is to be deplored that these most wise laws..have not been fully observed…so that some have come gradually to give countenance to a type of music which should be altogether banned from our churches. In some cases, especially when the memory of some famous musician was being celebrated, the opportunity has been taken of performing in church certain works which, however excellent, should never have been performed there, since they were entirely out of keeping with the sacredness of the place and of the Liturgy.”
We hereby declare that singing with orchestra accompaniment is not regarded by the Church as a more perfect form of music or as more suitable for sacred purposes. Voices, rather than instruments, ought to be heard in the church: the voices of the clergy, the choir and the congregation. Nor should it be deemed that the Church, in preferring the human voice to any musical instrument, is obstructing the progress of music…especially when it is used by the mind to offer up prayer and praise to Almighty God. He goes on to give detailed instructions on the formations of choirs, and ends with: We are well aware that the fulfillment of these injunctions will entail great trouble and labor.
But do we not all know how many artistic works our forefathers, undaunted by difficulties, have handed down to posterity, imbued as they were with pious zeal and with the spirit of the Liturgy? Nor is this to be wondered at; for anything that is the fruit of the interior life of the Church surpasses even the most perfect works of this world.
This Mass -“celebration” done Today in Italy, ( from Eponymous Flower) with the Priest on the far left in the chorus line- seems to be following the Pope’s lead, and his concept that VII failed only because it wasn’t taken far enough::
Very nice column at Crisis re. the young & the TLM. One quote:
“How I came to love the traditional liturgy is similar to the experience of other TLM Millennials. It mirrored the experience of the Israelites in the book of Nehemiah: Upon their return from exile they wept after having read the law for the first time.”
That video has been taken down. Probably just as well. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
It has disappeared. Thanks. And your’re right, it’s just as well. We need to keep showing people how bad it is, but after a while it can get depressing.
We’re praying God wakes everyone up, so this will change, and the Consecration of Russia get’s done. (Seems “Late” to us)
God Bless us all.
I also need to add that although I admire Cardinal Burke I find it hard to hear the words “Saint John Paul” and reference to the NFP promoting encyclical Humanare Vitae as though they were great things for the Church.
I am impressed however with how he has been able to survive his Novus Order upbringing and influence through his being able to not only see but speak out, out of all the Novus Ordites clergy, on how things have gone amiss in the liturgy in the Novus Order and of the destructiveness of the new pastoral applications in regards to the doctrines of the Church.
So sorry, but this above comment #19 was meant as a reply to my reply on Indignus famulus’ link on the interview with Cardinal Burke.
My above comments should have been posted in the #8 comments.
Hi Anastasia. It is really NO surprise that Cardinal Burke has survived, and thrived, in this NO milieu. It’s all grace. Our Lady prophesied chastisements which we richly deserve…but she is raising up priests and bishops to be our beacons in the darkness.
Let’s not forget She brought us Bishop Sheen, and now we have Archbishop Schneider, and Cardinal Burke, and all our wonderful confreres at Pius X starting with that holy Bishop Lefebvre, and The Priestly Fraternity, and The Institute of Christ the King, and last but not least, Father Rodriguez in Santa Fe – and many more.
She has also raised up Michael Voris, our own Louie, Mundabor, and all the faithful bloggers who hold up torches too. And you and me, and the others here who pray for the Consecration of Russia. She has taught us the power of the Rosary. She will bring an end to this latest, and worst, heresy – Modernism.
Our Lady is good to Her children.
I don’t believe that the status quo will go on much longer, perhaps a decade or two. I’m confident of this for two reasons:
(1) There is an obvious difference between younger and older clergy, the old ones are the problem, but they’re getting older, their time’s running short.
(2) A prophecy by St. Hildegard (I wrote a book on this) that puts us in the fourth of five eras that precede the Antichrist. After this era ends a period of spiritual renewal (and persecution) will follow.