Is Jorge Bergoglio (aka Francis and “the God of Surprises”) Catholic?
Yes, I know, this question has been posed many times by any number of persons. Usually, however, it is glossed over as an exercise in sarcasm or hyperbole; in particular by those who would answer “yes.”
Not only is this a serious question, it is the most important question facing the Catholic Church in our day, and, therefore, humanity as a whole.
While some might argue that the burden of proof is on those who would insist that Francis is not Catholic, they have it exactly backwards; their position being nothing more than a misapplication of the American judicial principle (that only applies when it pleases the government) that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
In Catholic thought, however, one is not simply presumed to be a member of the Church until proven otherwise; rather, there are well-established criteria that must be met in order for one to legitimately lay claim to such membership:
Now since its Founder willed this social body of Christ to be visible, the cooperation of all its members must also be externally manifest through their profession of the same faith and their sharing the same sacred rites, through participation in the same Sacrifice, and the practical observance of the same laws. (Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis – 69)
NB: The signs that attest to one’s membership in the Church must be externally manifest; not determined via an examination of things otherwise hidden. In other words, one’s Catholicity is not presumed; rather, it is made evident in an external, observable way.
This isn’t my opinion, it is the criteria established by Holy Mother Church.
[NOTE: As for what defines those who are not members of the Church, please see the hyperlinked blog post by my friend Dr. Peter Chojnowski.]
In light of the necessity of membership in the Church being made externally manifest (“must be”), it is high time for those who insist that we are required to assume that “Francis is Catholic until…,” often in condescending tones that only serve to reveal their own lack of conviction on this point, to put up or shut up by answering, in detail, the following question:
How specifically is this man’s membership in the Catholic Church made externally manifest in his profession of the Catholic faith, his sharing the same sacred rites and his participation in the same Sacrifice according to the prescriptions set forth by the Church, and his practical observance of the same laws?
Over the past five years, those with even a modicum of sensus Catholicus cannot have failed to recognize the myriad of ways in which Francis has professed (and even attempted to officially promulgate under the guise of “authentic magisterium”) that which denies the Catholic faith; his unwillingness to share in the sacred rites and participate in the same Sacrifice according to the prescriptions set forth by the Church, and his utter failure to uphold the practical observance of the same laws; even going so far as to encourage others to persist in violating those laws.
So, are there any among the “Francis is Catholic until…” crowd willing to put up?
I am especially interested in the response of those with a voice in Catholic media who claim to be defenders of tradition. Don’t all chime in at once, fellas…
Louie, you ask if Francis is Catholic. Good question. Up until Pius XII, the question of if the pope is Catholic would get you a good laugh. Of course he was. Sadly, that’s not the case today. Today, the pope came out and said there is no hell. Christ said otherwise. In a court of law, if Francis were put on trial for being Catholic, he would be acquitted.
Not to get off topic, but the website Canon212 is right now reporting that Francis has published in writing and said that Hell does not exist.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell
“He’ll find out when he gets there”— wisdom of Padre Pio.
Christ The King (33) Mathew 25:41: “Discedite a me maledicti in IGNEM AETERNUM, qui paratus est diabolo, et angelis ejus .”
Jorge B (2018): “NON ESISTE UN INFERNO.”
Vatican I (1869), Serapius Iragui (1959): “What would be said if the Roman Pontiff were to become a heretic? In the First Vatican Council, the following question was proposed: Whether or not the Roman Pontiff as a private person could fall into manifest heresy?
“The response was thus: ‘Firmly trusting in supernatural providence, we think that such things quite probably will never occur. But God does not fail in times of need. Wherefore, if He Himself would permit such an evil, the means to deal with it would not be lacking.’ [Mansi 52:1109]
“Theologians respond the same way. We cannot prove the absolute impossibility of such an event [absolutam repugnatiam facti]. For this reason, theologians commonly concede that the Roman Pontiff, if he should fall into manifest heresy, would no longer be a member of the Church, and therefore could neither be called its visible head.” Manuale Theologiae Dogmaticae. Madrid: Ediciones Studium 1959. 371.
SIMPLE CONCLUSION: Christ the King has said hell is eternal. Jorge B proclaims publicly that there is no hell. Jorge B never was or is the “Pope” of the indefectible Catholic Church.
Of course you will need a declaration from Messrs. Siscoe and Salza first.
If Salza and Siscoe are too busy, then “A Catholic Thinker”, aka Paul Folbrecht, can parachute down here with a 10,000 word comment to enlighten the rest of us.
Great article Louie.
I think that by asking these questions regarding the visibility of the Church, you are heading towards the unpopular thesis beginning with the letter S.
Many think Bergoglio isn’t the pope because of problems with Benedict’s resignation. Others think it’s because he’s not a Catholic to begin with, because he doesn’t outwardly profess the Faith.
If one looks at Paul VI, JPII and Benedict under the same lens, then one may conclude the same thing.
If we can’t simply tell a Catholic from a non-Catholic by the principles the Church teaches us to use, without an official declaration, then her very visibility goes out the window.
I agree with 2 Cents comment on the last post . The Papacy or Papacies have been irrelevant, and I would add that it applies to at least the last three or four.
i feel very sorry for those who converted on the basis of the popularity of John Paul Two which was largely scripted and hugely propagandized by Opus Dei and the Legion of Christ /Regnum Christi. He was sick for much of his reign , he kissed the Koran and thousands of clerical abuse victims were swept under the rug in favor of their abusive perverted clerics. ( Oh but he brought down communism) right , and I have a bridge to sell that the LGBTQ….XYZ can skip over into the seminaries and up to the altars .
Why does anyone think Benedict said not to allow deep seeded homosexuals into the seminaries? Because he knew even Vatican City was rampantly perverted !
It seemed like everyone asked ,”What does that mean?’ it meant he knew the score and so did JP2.
Now I understand there is no Hell according to Francis….Hey , it’s a free card to PARTY. moan moan .he was taken out of context , he did not mean that and Pope JP2 kissed the Koran out of respect to the gift giver………..blah blah blah……….
My question regarding Jorge Bergoglio’s status began when not soon after his purported elevation to the Papacy a photograph was published of him actively participating in Jewish service. Pope St. Agatho taught that he who prays with heretics is a heretic. If we accepted that teaching in a child-like manner, there really isn’t much to argue about, is there? For example, if one day before Mass you observed a person you thought to be Jewish entering the confessional and afterwards, presenting himself for communion, you would conclude that he had converted, wouldn’t you? Haven’t the recent problems in the Church for the faithful resulted from the fact that the faithful accept one as Catholic who clearly isn’t?
A thought that has persisted in my mind is that the Church’s teaching regarding a Pope being the “proximate rule of faith” and “visible sign of unity” has to be understood as an ontological, living reality. A true Pope never ceases to be the “proximate rule of faith” and “visible sign of unity”. Thus it is nonsensical to believe that one like Bergoglio who is no rule of Catholic faith whatsoever, and a visible sign of disunity with the confusion he is introducing into the Church could possibly be the “proximate rule of faith” and the “visible sign of unity” in an ontological sense. The fact that he doesn’t live as if he is those things means that he isn’t those things.
Another thought that has come into my mind regarding the sedevacantism question concerns the responsibilities of the Pope’s Office – to teach, to rule and to sanctify the Church. In what sense can it be said that the Pope “occupies” his office if he doesn’t teach the Church the faith; doesn’t rule the Church in accordance with Catholic precepts; and desecrates the Church from the perspective of Catholic norms? If he doesn’t fulfill the duties of the Office in what sense does he occupy the Office? The issue here regarding “occupancy” of the office isn’t the evil done by the Pope but rather the fact that the person who occupies the Office doesn’t perform the actions of “teaching, ruling and sanctifying the Church”. The problem in other words, isn’t the presence of a positive evil – an anti-Pope in the seat of Peter, but rather the lack of a due good – a true Pope who does teach the faith, does rule the Church in accord with Catholic precepts, and does sanctify the Church.
Yes, that is a good question for John Dalza, et al. (BTW. is John e v e r going to respond to your challenge, Louie?) Probably the teenagers at the Easter dinner would perk up at the mention of this topic, “You mean we can talk about something of depth, value and importance?!?” Not to mention some young adults and even spouses….
No, what we need is a revival of the military orders within the Traditional movement for our young men. Too many musicians and not enough soldiers for Christ. The Papacy is a Monarchy. Pretenders to the Throne always depend on paid mercenaries for protection from rightful overthrow. The Vatican institution was taken in a coup. It can be retaken in one as well.
I agree with you 100% – and have said so repeatedly on many Catholic websites. The coup occurred in 1914 with the near simultaneous deaths of Pope Pius X and Father Wernz just after the beginning of WWI. The pope elected in the conclave following their deaths, Pope Benedict XV, was elected in total secrecy. All Carinals were sworn to secrecy before, during and after conclave. Della Chiesa was a known protege of Cardinal Rampolla, a member of OTO, an extreme occult masonic group. The conclave became more like a lodge meeting than a holy enterprise dedicated to finding a good Catholic man and leader during a very stressful time for the Church and Europe.
LifeSiteNews has a fund raising drive on now and has been rightly complaining about the treatment it’s getting from Facebook and Google. I posted the following comment on LifeSiteNews which is in essence no different from any of the other comments I’ve made here or on 1Peter5. It was removed by the moderator after I received two upvotes and a comment: Francis I is a heretic freemason specifically elected in conclave to do the bidding of his puppetmasters, the bankers. He must be evicted from the papal chair by the more faithful Poles, Hungarians, Czechs and Slovaks, who were recently criticized by the Vatican for not being charitable towards “refugees”.
I had thought about your suggestion of a revival of military orders as solution to the problem of an usurper pope. The only problem with it, is that it would take longer to organize dedicated loyal Knights with the equipment and financial resources to do the job, unless the Swiss guards can be convinced it is their duty to Christ to arrest him. That is why I suggested State actors, like the Poles, or Hungarians. They have standing armies and Catholic populations behind them.
One more thing, I can’t thank Louis enough for allowing people like LennyB and me and so many others here, to express our frustrations and seek solutions to the current crisis of the Church. I love LifeSiteNews but they will not be getting my sympathy or my contributions. If they can’t handle truthful but blunt comments, then they shouldn’t be publishing articles on the Pope’s interview with an atheist, in which he expresses disbelief in the existence of hell.
Pope declares Hell doesn’t exist. God answers:
“The Vatican was forced to seal off part of the basilica after chunks of plaster rained down on tourists
By Jay Akbar
29th March 2018, 7:54 pmUpdated: 30th March 2018, 4:47 am
THE Vatican sealed off part of St Peter’s Basilica after chunks of plaster rained down on worshippers at the height of the Easter holiday season.
Plaster fell near Michelangelo’s famed Pieta statue, near the main entrance – hours after the Pope is alleged to have denied the existence of hell.”
This was from the SUN: http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5934572/pope-vatican-worshippers-st-peters-basilica-plaster-hell/
I’ve been banned by Lifesite, The Remnant and 1P5 a few times under various disqus profiles.
They write about how bad everything is, but won’t let anyone have an idea outside their EWTN kind of paradigm.
I don’t bother with them anymore.
Crux, the Opus Dei owned media spin on Francis’ non belief in hell.
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2018/03/29/vatican-says-interview-in-which-pope-doubts-hell-not-a-faithful-transcript/
The King who will restore the papacy will be Henri V. It will fall upon him to restore Catholicism after we have fallen into the tomb. The Return of the King that Tolkien wrote in his family trilogy was a forewarning and longing for this very event. Tolkien was a daily communicant and devote Catholic. He will be of the line of Louis XVI. Let us trust in the Lord.
Oh, Sweep, they always claim that these interviews are not accurately transcipted. But look, look at the plaster falling in St. Peter’s, close to the Pieta yet. Do you imagine that God didn’t hear or wasn’t paying attention to Francis I’s heresy? The faith is being attacked, by the very man who should be it’s champion. You can be dam sure God’s paying attention, and if we want to ensure our own salvation we’d better speak out about these heresies.
@The Papal Subject
I believe these websites are attempting to control the reaction to heresy in the Pope, just as Salza and Siscoe, those brilliant theologians, were doing the same. The fact that Salza was a high degree freemason, is indicative in and of itself of the likely duplicitious nature of his writing. The fact that 1P5 and The Remnant rely on that “theology” in addressing the crisis in the Church is a poor reflection on them. By suppressing critical analysis and reactions to Francis I’s heresies, these websites leave themselves open to the charge that they themselves are controlled opposition.
@paultdale
I have read some Catholic prophecy. I am not going to ONLY: pray the rosary constantly, go to Mass daily and read the Bible, with the intention that God resolves this present crisis of the Church apart from my actions. We are Catholic. We participate in the sufferings of Jesus by acting on His behalf and suffering the abuse, the spitting, the hostility and persecution that He suffered. If I want to get to heaven and If I want those around me to get to heaven, we MUST take an active role in trying to resolve the present crisis.
M_P, Of course, they censored your comments because you are very much on to the whole infiltration; not just the history of it. You are right, the revival of the Catholic militant tradition would take years after so much pacification and “false dilemma” propaganda – even among Trads. For example Paultdale, taking physical action to defeat the enemies of Christ is equated with not “trusting in the Lord.” Back to your comment, standing armies are 2GW. This would be a 4GW affair with the intelligence services of anyone or all of nations you mentioned in play. The Swiss guard would have to be turned in part in any operation. The Italians would have to permit it. The Americans will know all about it from start to finish (just like they knew about the 58 conclave). Donald and Melania probably wouldn’t mind seeing Vatican leadership not owned and operated by Germany. That brings us to Russia, who would they side with and assist? None of this, however, would necessarily establish a Trad restorationist scenario but it would be viewed as a complete rejection of the current V2/NO leadership and reset the board for the enduring presence of a strong and young orthodox group within the V2/NO COC that may one day finally declare V2 heretical.
Plaster falling in chunks on the pilgrims, a sodo sexualized stylized creche , the pigeons descending on Vatican Square due to the garbage situation, the doves that Francis let go being attacked and the lightening bolt. But let’s not forget the earthquake that damaged Assissi either.
Are things getting worse OR is it just that it is more in our face?
I believe it is the latter. Pederasty has been rampant . There has been zero effort to tamp down the ssa entrants into the seminaries.
Worse still is the unwarranted confidence Catholics have in the CDF to do what is right and defrock all of these child molesters.
The Catholic adults at the time of Vatican Two should have been fighting tooth and nail against the first signs of the erosion of Doctrine.
Now we have the not so veiled heretical remarks and actions of Borgoglio.
Pray the Rosary daily, she told us THIS was the weapon.
Eastern European countries invading Italy to depose the Pope will never happen. If it did, you’d have WWIII. You do not want that. If you disagree, find someone who lived through the the Blitz in London, the firebombing of Dresden, or a soldier who fought in the last one and ask them. Stop wishing for it.
Some bits of plaster falling in a building that is 500 years old is not God passing judgment on anything. We’re not supposed to be superstitious. And please spend some time on The Sun’s website before you cite it as a source.
If Bergoglio can deny an actual defined dogma of the Faith given to us by Our Lord Himself, then, by definition, that person is an apostate. The pope is not excluded from that. If, as Steve says above that unless we hear from Bergoglio himself that the statement is false, we must now accept that we have an apostate sitting on the Throne of Peter. And, by all logic, if this is the case, we do not need any pronouncement from a single cardinal or bishop. Bergoglio has now judged himself- not us mere pew sitters- but himself- a pertinacious, material, heretical apostate. Such a Catholic is no longer by dogmatic definition a Catholic. And, as such, can no longer call themselves the pope. So, who will call a new conclave to elect a worthy man? Burke, Sarah, Schneider? Is a single prelate even awake at the helm?
I posted this on OnePeterFive in reference to Steve Skojec’s article.
The rosary will be THE weapon that brings about a solution to the crisis but it cannot do so directly. Catholics have always promoted faith AND action, not faith alone. Protestants advocate faith alone. We, born in the 20th century were mitlitantly protestantized from birth by the already present infiltration of the Catholic hierarchy and some Catholic clergy. In your life you’ve seen the effects of the infiltration of seminaries by homosexuals, a group uniquely blackmailable. In order to sweep out the filth, the first job is to sweep out the masons who are puppets of their masters, whoever they are, George Soros, bankers, Chabad, etc. We can’t know all the specifics until the Vatican is overthrown. Once these puppets are evicted, then, and only then, can an inquisition be set up to evalualte who is a mason, or homosexual or a heretic of one form or another in the clergy. This is a process baby. Prayer begs God to help us do the WORK that He wants done in the world. We are His hands, feet, arms and legs. I had this same discussion with my mother many times. She kept advocating prayer alone, when I know, historically, that the saints never relied on faith alone. They prayed for wisdom, understanding, knowledge, and fortitude, then planned as well as they could, and finally acted on God’s behalf. We have an obligation to do the same. We may not be successful, but we aren’t called to be successful. We’re called to be faithful.
Dear Blunder,
Where were you in 1571 when Pope St. Pius V sought to unite Christian monarchs against the Turks and ardently supported Don Juan of Austria and Marcantonio Colonna. You could have warned him that his attempts were futile. Alas , you would have been wrong. because they halted the Moslem tide at the Battle of Lepanto. He was also attempting to form an alliance of the Italian cities, France, Poland and other Christian nations of Europe to march against the Turks when he died in Rome on May 1. He was canonized in 1712. His feast is April 30th. Maybe you should say a rosary with the intention of asking St. Pius V to help you gain wisdom with regard to the present crisis of the church. He was a mighty champion of the Church and the Rosary.
Oh and by the way, The Sun had pictures of the falling plaster. Wth are you looking for, a notarized affadavit from Vatican maintenance???? Oh and how do you know how God will respond??? God acts through the elements. He isn’t going to give an interview in The Sun.
Nation states take military actions all the time and WWIII doesn’t start as a result. These are calculated careful actions, where mutual notification of neighboring states is essential. It can be done. The ground swell for this kind of action will have to come from we the laity.
Let us not forget this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-11/pope-francis-has-black-eye-after-popemobile-accident-in-colombia/8890908
“Pow! One of these days, Jorge, right to the moon!”
Wonder if Steve will apologize to all the sedes he has banned over the years?
I have no doubt that you are correct in pointing out the difficulties, the obstacles, and the players, the diplomats, the military, intelligence services, etc. who have to be informed and coordinated in the effort to evict this imposter pope. But it will be worth the effort. The Church must return to sound doctrine, sound liturgy, sound morals and sound diplomacy. This requires a champion of Catholicity, A leader, of men, a true pope.
Don’t hold your breath.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Lepanto. NATO members do not attack another one. The last two times major European powers invaded each other, we had world wars. I will not pray a rosary for this destructive and unrealistic fantasy, and neither should you.
The plaster falling and the pictures are real. Not questioning that. Among The Sun’s other lead articles at the moment are middle-aged women stripping and an advice column about someone who got drunk and slept with their stepdaughter. In other words: pure tabloid sensationalist filth. Please don’t buy into the connections they’re making about a few bits of plaster and alleged Papal heresy. And look at the actual pictures – do you really think a little bit of plaster is God expressing disapproval about something this serious? He can’t be that angry. Or, more likely, it’s not a sign from heaven and thinking it is is simply superstitious.
Hosea 4:
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“Hear the word of the Lord, ye children of Israel, for the Lord shall enter into judgment with the inhabitants of the land: for there is no truth, and there is no mercy, and there is no knowledge of God in the land.
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2 Cursing, and lying, and killing, and theft, and adultery have overflowed, and blood hath touched blood.
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3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth in it shall languish with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of the air: yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be gathered together.
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4 But yet let not any man judge: and let not a man be rebuked: for thy people are as they that contradict the priest.
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5 And thou shalt fall to day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee: in the night I have made thy mother to be silent.
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6 My people have been silent, because they had no knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will reject thee, that thou shalt not do the office of priesthood to me: and thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget thy children.
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7 According to the multitude of them so have they sinned against me: I will change their glory into shame.
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8 They shall eat the sins of my people, and shall lift up their souls to their iniquity.
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9 And there shall be like people like priest: and I will visit their ways upon them, and I will repay them their devices.
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10 And they shall eat and shall not be filled: they have committed fornication, and have not ceased: because they have forsaken the Lord in not observing his law.
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11 Fornication, and wine, and drunkenness take away the understanding.
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12 My people have consulted their stocks, and their staff hath declared unto them: for the spirit of fornication hath deceived them, and they have committed fornication against their God.
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13 They offered sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains, and burnt incense upon the hills: under the oak, and the poplar, and the turpentine tree, because the shadow thereof was good: therefore shall your daughters commit fornication, and your spouses shall be adulteresses.
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14 I will not visit upon your daughters when they shall commit fornication, and upon your spouses when they shall commit adultery: because themselves conversed with harlots, and offered sacrifice with the effeminate, and the people that doth not understand shall be beaten.
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15 If thou play the harlot, O Israel, at least let not Juda offend: and go ye not into Galgal, and come not up into Bethaven, and do not swear: The Lord liveth.
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16 For Israel hath gone astray like a wanton heifer: now will the Lord feed them, as a lamb in a spacious place.
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17 Ephraim is a partaker with idols, let him alone.
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18 Their banquet is separated, they have gone astray by fornication: they that should have protected them have loved to bring shame upon them.
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19 The wind hath bound them up in its wings, and they shall be confounded because of their sacrifices.”
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Look at what this passage prophesies when the people have no knowledge of the truth because they have rejected the truth – they commit spiritual fornication by offering false worship; their daughters and spouses practice fornication and adultery; and they offer sacrifice with the effeminate. Isn’t this predicament an accurate description of our age? How many times have you heard from priests “the Church doesn’t teach that anymore” or from the so-called “faithful” “I don’t care that the Church teaches x, I believe y”. The Pope himself is trying to regularize the status of people in the objective state of adultery!
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Hosea best summarizes the situation in 4:6 “My people have been silent, because they had no knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will reject thee, that thou shalt not do the office of priesthood to me: and thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget thy children.” If the people are mired in false believe (1) they will be rejected; (2) their priests will not fulfill the office of priesthood and its attendant duties to the Almighty; and (3) they will be forgotten.
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Viewed from this perspective the tolerance of false belief both in the so-called “faithful” and in the hierarchy isn’t without consequence! How many times have you heard from those in the recognize and resist camp that the Church can tolerate an “heretical Pope”? Yes, the Church can “tolerate an heretical Pope”, but not without consequences – the consequences foretold by Hosea! Don’t be surprised when your daughters and wives practice fornication and adultery, and your “priests” are practicing sodomites. A Church where the faithful were committed to the truth would not tolerate these things.
and I have two nephews who recently graduated from
holy cross !!!! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/28/holy-cross-theology-professor-says-jesus-drag-king-queer-desires/
Agree, Bergolio’s heresy doesn’t need a sign from Heaven. It only takes a brain and intellectual honesty to recognize it.
The Vatican is not a member of NATO. This is an internal Catholic matter. Italy would have to give permission, or at least the Roman government.
You and Tom A can take a flying leap off a short pier as far as your asssesment of what God can or would do to give a sign of His displeasure. As I recall, at Fatima, the sun moved and twirled in the sky. Thousands of witnesses saw the actions of the sun. Their clothes dried immediately after a hard rain. The secular press reported it. And to this day there are bright bulbs like you two who are willing and able to deny, rationalize, and relativize any act God makes, no matter how great or how small demonstrating His displeasure. With your iron clad certitude I’m sure you’ll find out two seconds after your dead how right you were.
“A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. And he left them, and went away.” Matt 16:4. Mary, we do not need signs to prove our faith is true. To see signs in everything is a form of phenomenology.
I don’t mean to offend, but reading divine signs into everyday stuff is just going to drive you nuts, both in terms of frustration and mental health. Car won’t start on Sunday? Sure, it could theoretically be Satan trying to keep you from Mass but it is 99.9999999999999% certain it’s just mechanical failure, a dead battery, etc. Superstition in small things like this is a first step down the slope toward numerology and self-interpretation of the Apocalypse, and every. single. person. who has attempted this or some variation thereof in the past 200,000 years (i.e., as long as man has existed) has been 100% wrong. You don’t need to convince yourself the world is ending and then have to deal with all the doubts about your faith this will needlessly create when it doesn’t happen when you’re on your deathbed.
If Pope Francis is what you say he is – a heretic and by far the worst Pope in history – it’s a strange god that registers his displeasure by means of the equivalent of a leak under your sink or a crack in your drywall.
Vatican can’t be reached except through Italy – you invade Italian land, Italian sea, Italian airspace, it’s war w/Italy, period. Rome has no authority to override Italian national government. Italy cannot and will not allow an invasion.
An interesting article. I have a question of clarification. (I assume material heretic is not being ment) How can one be both a heretic and not a Catholic at the same time?
C’mon Tom , you use THIS quote from Scripture to attack Mary P? The referenced quote was for those who wanted even more signs from Jesus in order to Believe. Mary is not using “signs and wonders” because she does not believe. She mentioned them as a form of God’s displeasure. Go reread the Scriptures as to what is said for the End Times.We are told there will be signs and wonders and to recognize them as such to announce God’s intervention to keep humanity from utterly destroying themselves both spiritually and physically.
Read your Bible in full context because recognizing signs is not superstition. Didn’t Jesus criticize people for NOT recognizing the signs that He was the Son of God by telling them they can read the signs in the sky that predict the weather for the next day but they could not recognize the signs that He was the Messiah?
Why was there an earthquake when Our Lord died on the Cross? Why did the sky become dark and why was the veil in the Temple rent in two?
“And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom” (Matthew 27:50-51a).
SIGNS! Recognizing the signs of the times is WISDOM and not superstition.
Looking for signs is a mark of unbelief . But when they are in front of your nose and you deny them , that is also a sign of unbelief.
What did Jesus mean when He said it will be worse than Sodom and Gomorrah in the End Times? St John Chrysostom answered that exact question by stating , “Because even many of His Ministers will become sexually perverted at that time.”
BIG Hint .This is a SIGN.
It is a screaming neon sign !
“NATO members do not attack another one.”
Is Vatican City a part of NATO?
Blunder really has a lot of trust in those there globalist documents! Like there’s never ever been any precedent in history of parties violating treaties or anything…
“but the sign of Jonas the prophet.”
So basically… a sign was given… that’s your point Tom?
In any case, I was in Rome a few years back, and a piece of plaster from the ceiling of St. Peter’s fell then too. Thankfully no one was killed and the piece pretty much disintegrated upon contact. I even recorded it on video camera. But Benedict XVI was still the Pope then. So maybe Francis is causing a bigger rocking to the foundations of Christendom, eh?
There have been plenty of signs surrounding Francis. Many quite eerie. Like what happened to his peace doves. The half-liquifying of St. Januarius’ blood. The dope even referred to himself as the Bishop in White of Fatima… You know? The one that gives off the ‘impression’ of being the Holy Father?
It’s one thing to imagine everything is a sign. But it’s also another thing to ignore the the peculiar amount of them frequently occurring around one particular guy.
But given the Sedes like to ignore Fatima when it’s inconvenient for their pet theory in several ways, one can even choose to be wilfully blind to the many obvious things God is allowing Bergolio to do out in the open. In this way, the Sedes are usually the flip side of the coin to the novus ordo crowd, who always find room to give Francis the benefit of every pretzeled doubt. Likewise, the Novus Ordo folks can’t notice a pattern forming right in front of them.
Italy is part of NATO. Poland is too. You can’t get to the Vatican except through Italy. I don’t know what you mean by “globalist documents.” It was founded by a treaty which you can read for yourself.
Blunderfool, you’re half right and half wrong.
You’re half right in that a peculiar incident of sorts doesn’t by itself constitute anything worth discussing.
You’re half-wrong in that when an accumulation of them all seem to congregate around a common point, then there’s enough reason to suspect that joining the dots will form a nice picture.
Now about that Italy you’re so proud of… sure as things stand CURRENTLY… Italy would never do that. But what’s your future guarantee that Italy today is Italy tomorrow. You know? The Italy that’s currently in grave financial straits, and is overrun increasingly by Muslims and apostate post-Christians who will vote and get into positions of power and may not like all this EU/NATO stuff so much and might even decide it’s time to envy all that ‘wealth’ currently hoarded in the Vatican?
All you need is one revolution and situation of catastrophe that will see a Maidan of sorts take over Italy just as it did in the Ukraine. It might even occur with the help of other NATO states acting under subterfuge, like the United States, that’s providing Italians don’t put anyone in power who just might have an alternative foreign policy to Washington about Russia or any number of other things.
Every heard of Operation GLADIO, Blunder?
Something for you to look into regarding about how all those precious allies treat each other.
He was obviously a heretic and ceased to be Catholic the moment he made the Argentinian bishops interpretation of Amoris Letitia official.
There’s no dancing around that.
That’s the OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION.
The questions we still have left are whether Francis was ever Pope at all. And not in that Sede-way. But in the Barnhardt/Kramer thesis way that Benedict XVI’s abdication was void as a result of substantial error regarding this papal diarchy thing.
Mary, before we take that step, it might be more expedient first to get a SEAL Team of sorts in there and extract Benedict XVI, then put him under an Inquisitional Trial regarding his abdication and numerous other things.
Yeah Blunder, these NATO states love each other soooo much, one NATO state taps the phone calls of the Chancellor of another NATO State.
But don’t worry everyone! They signed a treaty you guys! A Treaty!
Peace is guaranteed amongst them just like the Treaty of Versailles!
And it’s all protected and governed by a big nation that would never ever ever do anything against its own constitution!
Then how do you dance around Paul VI when he made the hererical V2 official? Did Montini cease to be Catholic when he signed off on V2? What’s the difference between Paul and Francis? They both signed off on heretical documents. And what about JP2 and Benedict? Does their heresy get a free pass in your book?
Keep dancing Johnno. Well at least you are ready to throw Frankie overboard. You will now find it easier to come to the proper conclusion that all the conciliar popes are heretics and therefore never Popes in the true sense.
I don’t understand. All countries spy on each other, friend or foe. Seriously, talk to people who work in the diplomatic or Intel fields.
Hate the USA all you want but it’s still the best option for world hegemon and best place for Catholics to live today.
I don’t understand why so many Traditonalists insist on being superstitious. Haven’t you ever had a run of bad luck and then a run of good luck for no reason? Do you believe this is some sort of game God and Satan are playing? This is basically making God into a pagan deity and is just playthings in an endless game he plays with the devil, which is NOT Catholic teaching.
If you try hard enough, you can connect any dots any way you want. Someone like Randy Engel can “prove” that anyone is gay, for example. If you are starting with a premise or suspicion, everything you see tends to confirm it in your mind. And it makes no sense when you compare actual signs that the Church has approved, which are very few and quite dramatic. God isn’t running the world on a mystery novel/choose your own adventure basis.
I can’t debate speculation about made-up possible future geopolitical theoretical situation. I can tell you that Italy is by far more adept at dealing with immigration and removing suspected troublemakers than Germany and that the Italian economy is perpetually in a shambles and has been for the past 100 years or more. It’s the norm there. And Italians are OK with it.
Gladio was a plan to sabotage the Soviets if they invaded. Governments make plans and backup plans and backup to backup plans. I’m not sure I understand how that has anything to do with anything. There’s no more Soviet Union and Russia is not going to invade Italy either.
Another Huge sign………….
Apostasy in Action !
and it is becoming generalized
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-lgbt-priest-at-l.a.-archdioceses-religious-education-event-says-catholi
As I was temporarily indisposed yesterday, I feel taken advantage of by my adversaries or should I say co-religionists? In any case,
@Johnno, Please recognize that the actions – and inactions of many of the popes of the 20th century, would in other eras, have been acknowledged as heterodox and the popes would have been seen as anti-popes, usurpers. So much needs to be revealed, throughout the history of the 20th century, that only several very long detailed multiplely corroborated theses by dedicated researchers can do justice to this topic. I hope, before I die to start this process. In any case it suffices to say that in theology, liturgy, diplomacy and ecclesiaology the popes of the 20th century other than Leo XIII, Pius X were a complete disaster for the faith, and as I always say they were heretic freemasons, that is, they gradually introduced heterodox beliefs into doctrine, liturgy, and the clergy while being under the direct control of bankers or other power player masons. Believe me, there is evidence, currently suppressed, to support this.
Blunder, FYI Mrs Engel does not ” go out of her way to prove someone is gay”
which is a misnomer since properly speaking , ‘sodomite’ is the correct terminology . Nor does she hate these poor souls caught up in the vice.
She goes out of her way to factually prove the Church’s infestation of clerical sodomy and worse yet, the coverups of the wicked sins by Church dignitaries of the pederasts which are inextricably linked to it .
This was a planned Marxist Communist infiltration of the Church as testified by Bella Dodd.
Our Holy Mother warned us about the errors of Communism spreading throughout the world at Fatima .
We are NOT speaking lightly of “superstitions”. We are speaking about facts .
Horrible facts destroying both the Faith and the Church and the world in general.
The acceptance of sin as a non evil norm and the notion of the absence of hell, are all signs of the Great Apostasy.
Large numbers of members of the institutional church are deviating from and denying Doctrinal and Dogmatic Truth. They are accepting , preaching and protecting and attempting to explain away the sins of sodomites, “which cry out to heaven for vengeance”.
A GREAT APOSTASY is also a big SIGN given in Scripture to announce the END TIMES.
Mary we are not living in the days of the Battle of Laponto since man has evolved into creating globally devastating weapons.
We were warned that nations will disappear which can be interpreted several ways.
We were warned that fire will come from the sky to wipe out a large portion of mankind which also can be interpreted in several ways.
Nuclear proliferation is on the rise as is the saber rattling we see in the news .
Our Holy Mother gave us the remedy . You say we need to perform actions and not just pray?
How about promoting Rosary Crusades ?
How about starting in the home and home schooling children in right Catholic Doctrine?
………..and yes Blunder , how about researching and reporting on the infestational errors of Catholic organizations like Opus Dei , the Legion of Christ , Neo Catechumens , Focolare, Promise Keepers , the Bishop’ so called charitable organizations et al ? The New Evangelisation is built on quicksand .
……….these are all actions into which Faithful Catholics have put their efforts and the PR machine in the Vatican has been put on notice as demonstrated by the recent counter attacks on conservative Catholic radio shows and blogs.
Oh yes, and how about drying up the collection plates by holding onto your money rather than watching it go to support clerical homosexual lifestyles,
and support for the nicely retired pederasts rather than should have been defrocked clerics.
Your duckets support the likes of Fr James Martin and his heterodox pals.Your duckets paid for that Vatican Square creche , Your duckets support so called Catholic colleges and universities that employ heterodox Profs. Your duckets pay for Parochial elementary schools that have no Catholic textbooks anymore except for watered down pseudo catholic catechisms.
Your duckets support the healthcare and housing for non Catholic illegal immigrants through the Bishop’s immigration services which are nicely subsidized by the Fed too through your tax dollars. They do not need your duckets in the baskets ,they have a nice business going with the government.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/
Look at Germany the Church is subsidized by their mandatory tax dollars . How have they done on holding up Church Truths?
Blunder, I agree. The R&R crowd is very obsessed with conspiracies because they have to concoct all sorts of scenarios to justify their resistance to the man they call Pope. The crazier Bergolio becomes, the crazier their scenarios become as witnessed in the comments on this blog. The truth is right in front of everyones face if you take the time to educate yourself on the Catholic faith. If you have, you can instantly recognize Bergolio is not a Catholic based on what he says and does. I have no knowledge as to why God has permitted this, other than Scripture itself that talks about a Great Apostasy. It appears we are living in such times.
Okay , it’s Holy Saturday, Christ is in the tomb for three days just like Jonah in the belly of the whale. let’s follow though for that SIGN given to an evil generation.
Ask yourselves if Jonah accomplish his mission and how?
What was the ‘action” he was told to take based on his Faith?
He prayed he dressed in sackcloth and sprinkled ashes on his head after he warned the people of Nineveh they would be destroyed due to their sinful lifestyles.
They repented. They Prayed and FASTED as did Jonah.
Before He went out into His public ministry , Jesus went into the desert and He Prayed and Fasted for forty days and nights. After Our Lord Resurrected and later e ascended into heaven , Our Holy Mother and the Apostles Prayed and FASTED before the decent of the Holy Ghost came upon them.
Mary , Fasting and Praying are more important than taking up physical arms .
They are the primary actions of any True Believer.
A Blessed Easter to Louie and all AKA readers for all your kind remarks as well
as criticisms. It’s been a real joy getting to know you all, Randy Engel
I homeschooled myself. I’ve participated in a public rosary with the Mayor of Niagara Falls, NY years ago. I don’t know if I ever did a rosary crusade. Hmmm, maybe, probably at the Fatima Shrine in Lewiston, NY. In any case, a posse sent in to the Vatican with the permission of Roman authorities and Italian, is not going to spark WWIII. It may cause significant grumbling on the part of displaced clerics. Has the mischief planted by Israel in Syria and their persecution of Catholics in Israel caused WWIII yet? No. What about the shenanigans by the West – and Russia – in Ukraine? Has that set off a general conflict? No. Has Trump’s verbal theatrics against North Korea sparked a nuclear war? No. There is plenty of room for diplomatic and military efforts against this pope. They haven’t even been tried yet. St. Bernard of Clairvaux was Pope Innocent II’s best friend. Bernard took it upon himself to make diplomatic overatures to all the crowned heads of Europe in support of Innocent. Bernard was no Cardinal. He was a member of the Cistercian order, a strictly observant monk, who came out of cloister to aid the popes who were badly in need of his diplomatic skills. Did he stop praying? Of course not. He also didn’t subsitute prayer for action.
I hear ya sweetie. I fasted yesterday, but I only did so until 9:00 PM. I wanted to take it all day long. And yes, you are correct fasting has spiritual, physical, and transcendental benefits that can’t be measured. When I fast and do so with the right intentions I seem to always get immediate spiritual approval. Unfortunately, I had to drive yesterday, so my praying was restricted. I look at fasting as a preliminary to taking up arms. It’s a fight against concupicience. That fight is related to our battles against the forces of evil. St. Bernard helped the pope in a call for a Crusade. The Crusade was unsuccessful, for which St. Bernard always regretted. I really don’t know if he did a lot of fasting, but some of his writings on Our Lady are well known. Happy Easter!!
As a side note , St Bernard was a cousin to one of the leading Crusaders .i would have to go back to research his name again but I believe most would recognize it. He used St Bernard to recruit for the Crusades by signing his name to pamphlets that were widely circulated because the populace knew st Bernard well. ( Imagine that a PR campaign for the Vatican even back then !)
Then there was the insane Children;s Crusade. Faithful Catholics seem to have lost their common sense and to Papolatry and sent their children off to be slaughtered. Few made it alive off the continent and the remaining ones who did became slaves of the Mohammedans.
Finally the infamous Fourth Crusade , in which the Crusaders from Venice went to Constantinople and sacked the Hagia san Sophia ( Our Blessed Mother’s ) Basilica and raped and murdered fellow Christians stealing all manner of relics . St Mark’s in Venice is testimony to the thefts as is the Shroud of Turin.
Read the books written by Barbara Frale ,especially the one on the Shroud and the Templars which she researched for her PhD from the University of Venice which include some ancient letters to the Pope from the Byzantine Patriarchs at the time.
“Barbara Frale. Barbara Frale (born 24 February 1970) is an Italian paleographer at the Vatican Secret Archives. Frale has written books about the Templars and she has a special interest in the history of the Shroud of Turin. In September 2001, she found an authentic copy of the Chinon Parchment.”
Then provide reference to me when Our Lord and any of His Apostles advocated taking up the sword? Popes and the Aristocrats both before during and after the Middle Ages have strayed far from the Gospels.
Is it any wonder Jesus reflected in prayer to the Father begging him that we may all be one?
A Blessed Easter to all , especially to dear Rosemarie.
Ha! I just discovered I’ve been banned by Lifesitenews. I have no idea why. Nor do I really care. But the point I wanted to make was that particular priest was a fair haired boy of Rembert Weakland (who sent him to Rome for advanced studies). ‘Nuff said.
Johnno states: “In this way, the Sedes are usually the flip side of the coin to the novus ordo crowd..”
Yes, sides of the coin are opposite. They are at least both consistent. One is false and the other is true. Unlike the R&R which represents the edge of a coin and we all know that a coin can not stand on its edge.
*remain* standing. The R&R position is quite a precarious position indeed.
Happy Easter LennyB,
You don’t have to look to mere miserable human creatures as any sundry of theologians or other “experts” and as thus pay homage to so called human respect for proof that Jorge Mario Bergoglio simply cannot be a Pope of the Church which Christ the King established. Look to infallible Tradition in the 4th Session of the only Vatican Council in Truth, which met in the summer of 1870, where it infallibly declared, that in accordance with Luke 22: 31,32, Peter and his Successors simply cannot lose their personal faith, period and end. Therefore, a true Holy Roman Pontiff cannot ever loose his faith, and it follows therefore if a man calls himself Pope but demonstrates in the objective realm that he does not hold the Faith given us by the Holy Ghost and His Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, he simply CANNOT be the Pope. It is really that simple. So called Vatican II teaches heresy and as heresy is opposed to the Faith, any so called “Pope” who holds Vatican II as an ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church simply CANNOT be Pope because as the Vatican Council infallibly taught, the Pope cannot lose his personal faith and therefore he cannot embrace a “Council” which is opposed to the faith, as he would have then, from an ipso-facto understanding, lost his personal faith. Anything else is conjecture and since the Council infallibly declared this, in accord with divine Revelation, any debate on this topic is anathema. The Council said this in its fourth session:
“6.For the holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter
not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine,
but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.
Indeed, their apostolic teaching was
embraced by all the venerable fathers and
reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors,
for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren [60] .
7.This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine. Thus the tendency to schism is removed and the whole church is preserved in unity, and, resting on its foundation, can stand firm against the gates of hell.”
Amen. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Christ is risen indeed, Alleluia!
Per Sweep: “Then provide reference to me when Our Lord and any of His Apostles advocated taking up the sword?”
“whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one” (Lk 22:36). “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” (Matt 10:34). What about our Lord’s total endorsement of the blood-soaked Old Testament, with its not infrequent holy wars? How about his high praise of the Roman centurion on the road to Capernaum (Matt 8:5-13)? Neither our Lord nor his Church has ever taught pacifism. Just war theory and the history of the warrior orders all point to a Jesus who literally embodies and advocates the righteous use of force.
Thanks LennyB I was looking for the same biblical passages but you said it better. There were popes who discussed the theory of the two swords, where in Luke 22 the Apostles present him with two swords. Jesus says, “It is enough”. Jesus reply was cryptic but popes have interpretated it to be the need for leadership on the part of both Church and State in this world. So much more has been and can be said. Pius XI’s encyclical on Christ the King is another source.
Since the beginning of the Church, there have been many “Great Apostasy” events and each time people called it the end times – a perfect record of failure to date. The Church is actually larger, both in raw numbers and in percentage of the population, than ever. Do you think God is going to punish the world because North Americans and Western Europeans are becoming agnostic? Why would He ignore African, Asian, and Latin American Catholics and the other areas where the Church is growing? Are they worth less than the ones leaving because (I don’t know, taking a guess here) their church buildings aren’t as fancy? Because they’re 3rd world? Because they’re not of European descent? What kind of a god is that? Seriously, this Euro/American-centric lens has to go – it’s not how the Catholic Church – or God – operates.
Don’t base your life or your faith on this being the end of the world or you’re going to make it a lot harder to have any faith when you near the end of your own life and the world keeps on chugging away.
You’re most welcome. In the 1963 spy novel “The Spy Who Came in from the Cold” by John Le Carré. The following was spoken by the character “Control” who was a powerful figure in the British intelligence service:
“Thus we do disagreeable things, but we are defensive. That, I think, is still fair. We do disagreeable things so that ordinary people here and elsewhere can sleep safely in their beds at night.” As you know in impressive detail, at some point in the 19th and 20th centuries, the sin of “effeminacy” as defined by STA overtook the Catholic clergy from top to bottom. Consequently, the “disagreeable” task of manfully keeping out and then driving out sodomites and other masonic enemy infiltrators became just too difficult. As it worsened, normal virile men rejected holy orders as they became repulsed by the blatant faggotry of the hierarchy. Now it seems just like a dream that an ordinary Catholic could sleep soundly in his bed at night knowing that “Pope” isn’t a heretic and his sons are not in danger of sexual abuse in the company of “priests”. Imagine, once there were Saints like Nicholas who punched heretics in the face and were affirmed with palium and scriptures by our Lord and His Blessed Mother in lockdown!
::crickets::
Excuse me, In caritas, but by the way the conversation continued, in circles, ad nauseaum, one would have to suspect that this reply and quoted infallible teaching of Holy Mother Church was invisible to the human eye.
In the next to last stage of my quest for the Truth of these matters, I came across this very pronouncement of the (only) Vatican Council, and was astounded and dumbstruck. The Papacy cannot fail. An heretic cannot be Pope. The Truth was there all along, and from there the remainder of the logic very simply follows: the “Conciliar Church” cannot be the Catholic Church. I had already arrived at that conclusion a few years prior, but many inconsistencies and burning questions remained with respect to the various positions.
I think it’s time for me to leave again. I know the ultimate reason for (or cause of) this phenomena, but nonetheless it simply boggles my mind and is truly frightening.