Last month, I posted a podcast that I did with Dr. Jesse Russell on his “Saturday Night Trad” program, letting it be known that we hoped to produce more of them in 2020 in a video format.
Over the past few weeks, Jesse and I have done three such programs under the title The Patria Podcast, each of which is available below. Moving forward, we hope to do them on a weekly basis as often as our schedules allow.
As you will see, this is, to an extent, a work in progress. In Episode 1, the poor viewer is stuck looking at me alone, while Episodes 2 and 3 have Jesse relegated to a small inset. God willing, there’s a split screen in our future! In any case, please bear with us as we work the bugs out.
While you won’t find a highly-polished production (much less carefully crafted language designed to build a big tent full of quasi-Catholics), what you will encounter in these podcasts is solid food for thought and frank conversation on topics of great importance to those who sincerely wish to be Catholic. We hope you find them useful.
Thank you Louie for these (quickly subscribed to Oikos as soon as I saw your first one) as they came at a very opportune time for me! God bless!!!
Louie, I got 30 seconds in and realized I want to wait for my husband to watch with me because it’s sure to be interesting and edifying. Thank you both, for it.
Gee Louie I hope I don’t embarrass you, you’re cute as a bug!
Thanks for all you do. If you weren’t around for these times we’d have to invent you.
Yes, great job. Thank you Dr. Jesse and …and..oh yeah!…Ah Louie Louie.
Keep up the good work, Mr Verrechio. May God grant you protection and strength and guidance and all necessary humility and perseverance. Thank you.
Louie,
I will be listening to these as I did your first one.
Here ” While you won’t find a highly-polished production (much less carefully crafted language designed to build a big tent full of quasi-Catholics), what you will encounter in these podcasts is solid food for thought and frank conversation on topics of great importance to those who sincerely wish to be Catholic. ”
I am not interested in how polished something is although I do appreciate craftsmanship but a person’s got to have some funds and help to do something polished and most traditional Catholics are on a shoestring budget.
If you were trying to build a” big tent full of quasi-Catholics” I wouldn’t spend two minutes reading or listening to you. I stopped reading Catholic Family News years ago and I was very friendly with John Vennari and respected him but I just came to realize that the R & R is not the truth about what is going on and that it is far worse than what John and Fr. Gruner was willing to say. This stuff is not “material heresy” it has gone far beyond that level and I just think psychologically people do not want to admit that “Heretic Popes maintain the jurisdiction for the good of the Church” IS AN ABSURD IDEA because it has done no good to believe in that theory which a few confused theologians have posited like John of St. Thomas. All that theory does is maintain the power for those such as Bergoglio and yes Benedict who are hell bent on the institutional Catholic Church’s destruction so as to put into place a Man Centered anthropocentric church of HUMANITY which unites with “CONCENTRIC CIRCLES” is in ECCLESIAM SUAM ( in Latin means “His Church” Louie this is the devils’ idea not God’s) ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PAUL VI ON THE CHURCH AUGUST 6, 1964 below
” THREE CONCENTRIC CIRLES 1) Mankind, 2) Monotheistic Religions 3) Christians the phony “dialogue” is the way the Vatican II Church actually promotes these false religion through enculturation techniques as in the Amazonian Synod and Assisi I, II and III- it is Teilhardian, John XXIII’s MASONIC “CONCENTRIC CIRCLES”
Now Louie BELOW IS WHY THE ABOVE TOOK ON THE CHURCH AS SUBSIST IN CONCENTRIC CIRCLES THIS IS WHY DIOCESE ARE BANKRUPT DUE TO SEX SCANDALS
CONCENTRIC CIRCLES WITH PSEUDO- CATHOLIC TEILHARD
In an early essay entitled “The Mystical Milieu,” Teilhard describes the five stages of his mystical journey into the heart of God as circles that actually form a spiral: the Circle of Presence, the Circle of Consistence, the Circle of Energy, the Circle of Spirit and the Circle of Person. K. DUFFY, Teilhard’s Mysticism: Seeing the Inner
For Teilhard, the real, which is offered to man for his knowledge, may be represented by a series of concentric circles or spheres attached to one another by a common stem or axis. Teilhard’s universe has height or depth and includes planes …
Teilhard de Chardin: a Guide to His Thought- Page 143 Émile Rideau – 1967 –
Dr. Franco Adessa in Chiesa Viva “The road to self-deification is also the blasphemous and Satanic Masonic “Triple Trinity” of which the Third Trinity consists of the three Beasts of the Apocalypse.
CONCENTRIC CIRCLES IN MASONIC SYMBOLISM & MYTHOLOGY
A Letter on the Antichristian character of Freemasonry to the Rev. W … – Maurice Cely TREVILIAN – Google Books
https://books.google.com/books?id=6O9iAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA200&lpg=PA200&dq=concentric+circles+in+freemasonry&source=bl&ots=2DDWxRPgL1&sig=ACfU3U2Oi3XWAMm5CAlrYbNHVtZ0hlJYYQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi90fXzgKXnAhXKVc0KHYbCCL4Q6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=concentric%20circles%20in%20freemasonry&f=false
page 200 At Stonehenge, the finest specimen probably extant of the “Point within-a-circle,” there are two or more concentric circles, the huge stones of which (each circle being of different height) not inaptly set forth the different sorts and conditions of men congregated within the temple, and surrounding the place of fire, or the sun ;—an idea which has arisen out of a tradition mentioned by Bathurst Deane, that the stones composing Druidical circles were once animated beings, and petrified in the mazes of a dance; (remember the circumgyrations) and that Stonehenge was called “the dance of the giants.” There are some marks remaining of an approach to this temple, which may be presumed to accord with these Masonic lines.—{Let us ask, en passant, who ever heard of a Christian tourist at Stonehenge lecturing his their duty to God and man) ”>—Or, these parallel lines attached to the circle, the house of the Deity, may have been equivalent to those splendid erections of which we have spoken, as being found at the entrance of ancient temples, the Sphinges, the pyramidal pillars at Luxor, or the columns Jachin and Boaz at the entrance of Solomon’s temple. AU these, together with tbe Masonic lines, seem at least to have carried the same significance, that of the combination of wisdom and power, of direction and strength, of light and support, in the great Being to whom the temple appertained ; and through the aid of which
A Letter on the Antichristian character of Freemasonry to the 1849, Rev. W … – Maurice Cely TREVILIAN – Google Books
https://books.google.com/books?id=6O9iAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA200&lpg=PA200&dq=concentric+circles+in+freemasonry&source=bl&ots=2DDWxRPgL1&sig=ACfU3U2Oi3XWAMm5CAlrYbNHVtZ0hlJYYQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi90fXzgKXnAhXKVc0KHYbCCL4Q6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=concentric%20circles%20in%20freemasonry&f=false
Louie,
This is more proof that the Concentric Circle Idea which is VERY prevalent in the Vatican II Church is found in Masonic Myth and its implementation has corrupted the institutional Church
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FREEMASONRY AND ITS KINDRED SCIENCES By ALBERT G. MACKEY, M.D. page 841 “”In Masonic lore there is a man known as the “Prior of Montfaucon, a Florentine, banished from his country and whom nobody believes to have been a Templar but who was known to have been condemned, for heresy and for having led an infamous life, to pass the remainder of his days in a prison whose false accusations led to the downfall of the Knights Templar
This above Montfaucon gave what the concentric circles represent for Masonic symbolism:
Montfaucon gives a symbol of the circle or globe divided sectionally to show its four concentric circles, attached to a figure of Isis; which he explains thus. “The first and largest circle is white, the second is blue, the third dark ash colour, the fourth red, This seems to signify the Elements. The red signifies Fire, the dark ash colour Earth, the blue Water, and the white Air. The Fire is in the centre, because it gives heat and life to all things. Here again the fire is considered the central point; and the circle is flanked on each side by two Tables placed perpendicularly, containing figures of Osiris and Anubis. Isis or the circle representing Universal nature, and the two parallel lines Eternity, and the Lord of Heaven. The above instances will show the antiquity of the symbol amongst both Jews and Gentiles.
These opinions probably originated in the account
10 R. Manasseh ben Israel. Concil. vol. i. p. 3.
11 Supplement, p. 205.
Under this interpretation the circle represented the Earth, and the parallel lines the Sun and Moon; the former being created to rule and govern the day, and the latter to rule and govern the night, as is testified by Moses12 and David;13 for as the sun is said to rule the day, because he only then appears in the firmament; so the moon and stars have a delegated government in the night, because they then appear with splendour, and give a supply of light which the sun does not then immediately afford.
3. The next interpretation of the symbol, refers to the creation of man. The garden of Eden contained the primary emanation of the deity—the spirit that produced thought, reason, and understanding in the first created pair—and it was of a circular form. In the centre of this circle God placed a certain tree,
The symbol of glory, shewing the object and end of freemasonry 1850, by George Oliver
Below https://libertytothecaptives.net/point_circle.html
Albert Mackey, a 33 degree Mason, disclosed the meaning of the point within a circle symbol in his book, A Manual of the Lodge:
The point within the circle is an interesting and important symbol in Freemasonry. . . The SYMBOL IS REALLY A BEAUTIFUL BUT SOMEWHAT ABSTRUSE ALLUSION TO THE OLD SUN-WORSHIP, and introduces us for the first time to that modification of it, known among the ancients as the WORSHIP OF THE PHALLUS.
(Quote source: Albert Mackey as quoted inhis book, A Manual of the Lodge, pg 56 by Dr. Cathy Burns in Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, page 27)
Rev. George Oliver, also a Mason, admitted the point within a circle symbolism refers to phallic worship:
. . . bore a more immediate relation to the generative principle of nature, symbolized by the union of the sexes. I am ashamed to stain my page with the discussion which this part of my subject necessarily introduces, but it cannot be wholly avoided, as the POINT WITHIN A CIRCLE , with an unequivocal ALLUSION TO PHALLIC WORSHIP, was the principle object of devotion with every people in the world . . .Even the Israelites themselves were not entirely free from the contamination of such abominable practices; for the Linga of the Hindus, the Phallus and the Priapus of the Greeks and Romans, and the Baal-Peor of the idolatrous Israelites, was one and the same monstrous emblem, which was equally represented by a point within a circle. [Italics in the original; Bold and caps added]
(Quote source: Rev. George Oliver as quoted in his book, Signs and Symbols pg. 124-126 by Dr. Cathy Burns in her book, Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star page 196-97).“GOD’s holiness is an EXPANDING FORCE, and we beg that it quickly SHATTERS BARRIERS OF OUR WORLD,” he said, adding that this holiness “ SPREADS IN CONCENTRIC CIRCLES, like when throwing a stone into a pond.” (Same lingo of John XXIII)https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2019/02/27/pope-francis-evils-days-are-numbered/
VATICAN CITY, DEC. 6, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI says THAT THE POPE’S MINISTRY TAKES PLACE IN THREE ‘CONCENTRIC CIRCLES ” the innermost comprises Catholics; the intermediate, other Christians; and the third, non-Christians. (The Masonic code for all the world’s religions subsist in the Catholic Church for the modernist evolution of Teilhardian “Cosmic Christ” doctrine)
The Holy Father clarified this vision today, basing himself on the Second Vatican Council dogmatic constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” Nos. 14-16, when evaluating his recent trip to Turkey. The three objectives of the trip were, therefore, interreligious, ecumenical and pastoral. In virtue of the last concentric circle, the “innermost,” the Pope confirmed in the faith the small Catholic community, which numbers about 30,000 in a population of more than 70 million”
https://zenit.org/articles/pope-sees-3-concentric-circles-in-his-ministry/
Vatican City, Feb 27, 2019 / 03:11 am (CNA).- Pope Francis said Wednesday that evil is limited compared to the expanding force of God’s holiness in the world.
“Evil’s days are numbered. Evil is not eternal,” Pope Francis said in a departure from his prepared remarks in St. Peter’s Square Feb. 27.
Louie,
These two priests scholars below differ when the old Latin Mass began but I think in its skeletal form it comes from the first Bishop of Rome Peter himself who learned it from Jesus Christ. I really think also that most likely Peter would have learned some Latin when he went to Rome. I think he was there for at least 25 years. I have heard that the Roman Rite is the oldest rite.
“The Liturgy of the Passover, formed of prayers, Psalms, chants, anthems, directions, rubrics, etc., were the foundations on which the apostles, apostolic men and great saints formed the fifty-four different Liturgies of the Mass. The most famous, the Roman Rite, established by Peter in the Eternal City, and WITH LITTLE CHANGE comes down to us under the name of the Latin or Roman Mass. “How Christ Said the First Mass by Brother Hermenegild Tosf, Fr. James L Meagher DD New York, Christian Press Association Pub. 1908 page 389 https://archive.org/details/howchristsaidfir00meag/page/388/mode/2up/search/Roman+Rite
In his 1912 book on the Roman Mass, Adrian Fortescue wrote: “Essentially the Missal of Pius V is the Gregorian Sacramentary; that again is formed from the Gelasian book, which depends on the Leonine collection. We find the prayers of our Canon in the treatise de Sacramentis and allusions to it in the 4th century. So our Mass goes back, without essential change, to the age when it first developed out of the oldest liturgy of all. It is still redolent of that liturgy, of the days when Caesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our inquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours.” In a footnote he added: “The prejudice that imagines that everything Eastern must be old is a mistake. Eastern rites have been modified later too; some of them quite late. No Eastern Rite now used is as archaic as the Roman Mass.”Fr. Adrian Fortescue, The Mass: A Study of the Roman Liturgy, s.l., 1912, p. 213 https://archive.org/details/TheMassAStudyOf/page/n231/mode/2up/search/Gelasian+book
And by the way Louie I know what you meant in your video that the Latin Mass would have developed but in reality Jesus Christ being the High Priest according to The Order of Melchisedech would actually have said the MOST PERFECT Mass at the Last supper as Fr. Fr. Michael Müller, wrote:
“At the Last Supper, our Lord Jesus Christ, the promised Redeemer, instituted anew and pure and PERFECT SACRIFICE—that of His Sacred Body and Blood, which He substituted for the typical sacrifices of the Old Law. And now this adorable and perfect sacrifice of our Lord’s Body and Blood is offered up all .over the world, at every hour of the day and every part of the night, “from the rising to the setting of the sun.”
“There existed before the coming of the Redeemer two distinct kinds of sacrifice—the bloody, or the sacrifice of animals, and the unbloody, or the sacrifice of bread and wine, of the fruits of the earth. These two kinds of sacrifice were offered up even in the very beginning of the world, for Abel sacrificed a lamb and Cain offered to God the fruits of the earth. There were not only two distinct kinds of sacrifice but also two distinct classes of the priesthood. The one was the priesthood of Aaron, who offered the blood of animals; the other the priesthood of Melchisedech, who offered bread and wine.
“In His own divine person our Blessed Saviour united both these classes of the priesthood. He offered up bread and wine at the Last Supper according to the rite of Melchisedech, and on the following day He offered up Himself in a bloody manner, as the victim of our sins, according to the rite of Aaron.
Thus did He also unite the two kinds of sacrifice of the Old Law in the one adorable sacrifice of His Body and Blood, which He offered up under the appearance of bread and wine.” ” The Holy Mass: The Sacrifice for the Living and the Dead, …Fr. Michael Müller – 1875 – Page 138 https://books.google.com/books?id=grIOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA138&dq=the+unbloody+sacrifice+of+Christ+at+the+Last+supper+as+he+offered+a+perfect+sacrifice&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA44KxpaXnAhWJXM0KHSbECacQ6AEwCHoECAgQAg#v=onepage&q=%20perfect%20sacrifice&f=falseCaesar ruled the world and thought he could stamp out the faith of Christ, when our fathers met together before dawn and sang a hymn to Christ as to a God. The final result of our inquiry is that, in spite of unsolved problems, in spite of later changes, there is not in Christendom another rite so venerable as ours.” In a footnote he added: “The prejudice that imagines that everything Eastern must be old is a mistake. Eastern rites have been modified later too; some of them quite late. No Eastern Rite now used is as archaic as the Roman Mass.”Fr. Adrian Fortescue, The Mass: A Study of the Roman Liturgy, s.l., 1912, p. 213 https://archive.org/details/TheMassAStudyOf/page/n231/mode/2up/search/Gelasian+book
Jesus Mass in fact was the MOST perfect Mass at the Last Supper in its sacramental form but naturally the Catholic priest in persona Christi re-presents this once and for all Sacrifice of Christ on Calvary in an un-bloody sacramental way on the altars of Catholic Churches till the end of time.
Louie,
just few comments, or friendly point-outs, if you will. I will not touch on substance of your talk. I just have no time to listen to everything carefully and likely will not listen in the future because everything you said is well known in our circles. My prime interest is in your position, personal position, not ‘official’ one. I hope I will get more insight after listening to your next episode where you are about to speak about ‘what is the Church’. (please provide a link when available)
So, just few remarks.
There is serious problems with your red flags. As an example: in first episode your red flag is raised when Mr Weigel recommend reading only ‘certified’ by him catholic outlets. You said that Catholics should read many outlets including Sedevacantists. Again, setting aside particular context (I’m not saying you should follow Mr Weigel’s picks), forbidding books without imprimatur about faith was for along time practice of Mother Church. It was Masons’ argument that you have to read everything what they prepared for you to ‘broaden your mind’, ‘to get perspective’ etc. You suggest exactly the same.
Devil is smarter than you and I. He wants us to lower guards and expose our-self to his arguments. So, even if you are right about Mr Weigel, you are using very dangerous thinking to bring your point. Dangerous to your listeners and yourself, if this was intended and not off the hoof argument.
As I mentioned, other of your ‘red flags’ are also questionable.
Other thing that jumped on me is ‘sneakery’ manner of your talk. I know, or rather suspect, you are on the verge of joining sedes. You are deeply exposed to their erroneous ideas and are sneaking thouse in your talk without making clear commitment. You are sowing doubts about conciliar popes being valid – sowing doubts but leaving yourself option to claim ‘I didn’t say that’. Be a man. If you want to say something say it. If you are not sure, and you can be, keep it to yourself and your spiritual guide. Don’t throw out everything out on the public. I still believe it is not your intention to increase head count in sede lines or expose listeners to danger of leaving the Church.
You can, imo, and should, point out differences, imaginary or real, between V2 and Trent in Ascent of Mount Carmel way: comparing documents side by side, but try not to push definite conclusions on your audience. If your mind is already influenced by sede, you repeating their errors even if not intentionally.
I’m not saying you should let it go, no. You can lead fighters against Dark Church. Just don’t lead them away from True One. Not everybody has the time and capability to discern. Rather than showing frustration with V2 and fighting it, show the right way, the catholic way and leave for souls to decide.
That said I do agree with you on many points (for example NO Mass). I just realized that I do the same as you in my circles: I speak too much against NO. I should stop that and focus more on encouraging attendance in undoubtedly Catholic rite.
We must remember not to trust to much in ourselves, not let to be overtaken by our thoughts.
Don’t expose yourself to danger of reading wrong stuff. Create your own Index and obey it. We are not smarter than devil. Ask Mother of God for help, she can pull you out of any heresy if you ask even heresy of your own.
Louie in your video about 25 :19 seconds you say Paul VI did NOT abrogate the Mass actually did he just did not use the language “abrogate he just said The adoption of the new Ordo Missae is certainly NOT left to the FREE CHOICE OF THE FAITHFUL’ and he put the guilt trip on everyone that they were being “disobedient to the pope” if they didn’t do what he told them to do. The only reason why JP II and Benedict Arnold Ratzinger took two steps back was because of the backlash and to keep the trads in the Novus Ordo Zoo- it is like you said part of religious Liberty to give the trad dogs a bone to pick on and let them just starve with the Hegelian Dialectic of the there double Dutch false ecumenism. So they knew that in order to give the Catholic traditional minded laity concessions and keep the money in the pews they had to give an “Indult” I mean “Insult” and tell them that that is the “extraordinary” form (another lie to discourage people from going to it, but you could also read that statement in a positive way perfect for the double Dutch Hegelian Lingo ) for their sentimental minds but then its offered at odd times hoping no one will go to it and “update” and merge it with the Novus Ordo reading or a little later New Saints in the Canon as Ratzinger recommended at in 2001 Fontgombault and when as Benedect XVI in his Summorum Pontificum that both rites can be “Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces. So they got caught in a lie and had to keep the sheep in the pens so they gave a broader allowance but now Bergoglio is pulling back for the new Pachamama stage. Here is what Paul VI said below and it is very stern and that is why the OLD LATIN MASS REALLY WAS ABROGATED FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES (for IT WENT AGAINST ALL RELIGIONS ARE MORE OR LESS PRAISWORTHY VAT II ANTHROPOCENTRIC THEOLOGY) as your co-host mentioned it had to be said in Hotels.
The Pope, the Council, and the Mass: Answers to Questions the … By James Likoudis, Kenneth D. Whitehead PAGES 68-69 AND https://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Apologia/Vol_one/Chapter_9.htm
Paul VI, Address, May 24, 1976: “And the fact is all the more serious in that the opposition of which we are speaking is not only encouraged by some priests, but is lead by a prelate, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who nevertheless still has our respect.
“ It is so painful to take note of this: but how can we not see in such an attitude – whatever may be these people’s intentions – the placing of themselves outside obedience and communion with the Successor of Peter and therefore outside the Church? For this, unfortunately, is the logical consequence, when, that is, it is held as preferable to disobey with the pretext of preserving one’s faith intact, and of working in one’s way for the preservation of the Catholic Church, while at the same time refusing to give her effective obedience. And this is said openly. It is even affirmed that the Second Vatican Council is not binding: that the faith would also be in danger because of the reforms and post-conciliar directives, that one has the duty to disobey in order to preserve certain traditions. What traditions? It is for this group, not the Pope, not the College of Bishops, not the Ecumenical Council, to decide which among the innumerable traditions must be considered as the norm of faith! As you see, Venerable Brothers, such an attitude sets itself up as a judge of that divine will which placed Peter and his lawful successors at the head of the Church to confirm the brethren in the faith, and to feed the universal flock, and which established him as the guarantor and custodian of the deposit of faith…
“The adoption of the new Ordo Missae is certainly not left to the free choice of priests or faithful. The instruction of 14 June 1971 has provided for, with authorization of the Ordinary, the celebration of the Mass in the old form only by aged and infirm priests, who offer the divine Sacrifice sine populo [without people]. The new Ordo was promulgated to take the place of the old, after mature deliberation, following upon the requests of the Second Vatican Council. In no different way did our holy predecessor Pius V make obligatory the Missal reformed under his authority, following the Council of Trent…
“We have called the attention of Archbishop Lefebvre to the seriousness of his behavior, the irregularity of his principal present initiatives, the inconsistency and often falsity of the doctrinal positions on which he bases this behavior and these initiatives, and the damage that accrues to the entire Church because of them.” (L’Osservatore Romano, June 3, 1976, p. 2.)
So Louie if it was not for the counter revolutionary traditional Catholics the Conciliar church authorities would have buried as they intended to abrogate it. The old Mass was NOT according to their Concentric Circle One World Church of Apostasy because it is Catholic and it is direct conflict with the Novus ordo seclorum program.
M.C.
You really ought to confront to use the V2 lingo in the right way “the fullness of truth” about this great apostasy that comes from the TOP of the Conciliar Church and NOT from Catholics namely the Sede Vecantist holders on the low ground trenches being shot at constantly by everybody who see the occult nature of this false church of the Eclipse as predicted by Our Lady of La Salette. Weigel is a liberal screw ball that has no clue or maybe he just doesn’t want to repent because then he would have to change himself and stop lying about history through his rose colored liberal glasses. He is a modernist lackey for the false Conciliar church and makes piles of money off of his fellow clueless Novus Ordites who buy his thick books and never read half of them.
And here M.C. as you suggest to Louie “and should, point out differences, imaginary or real, between V2 and Trent in Ascent of Mount Carmel way: comparing documents side by side, but try not to push definite conclusions on your audience.”
M.C Ratzinger himself told you and Louie, “Vatican II’s refusal of the proposal to adopt the text of Lerins, familiar to, and, as it were, sanctified by two Church Councils, shows once more how Trent and Vatican I were left behind, how their texts were continually reinterpreted….Vatican II had a new idea of how historical identity and continuity are to be brought about. The static semper of Vincent of Lerins no longer seems to Vatican II adequate to express the problem.” (Lexikon fur Theologie und Kirche , Vol. 13, p. 521)
So get that M.C Ratzinger is telling you the orthodoxy of Vatican II and St. Vincent of Lerins Commonitorium which I have quoted on other posts on Aka Catholic is inadequate to express the modern mindset and had to be “refused” by updating with the wonderful Conciliar documents that love Man so much and tell us in Gaudium et spes that love of God and Man are the FIRST COMMANDMENTS!!! Now wake up and see what the devil has done to these modernists minds of Ratizinger and Bergoglio that they had to leave behind the orthodox Catholic faith and take up Occult Consetric Circles that teach all men and religions subsist in the Catholic Church as JP Ii said whether they know it or not. If that isn’t UNIVERSAL Salvation even wore than what Origin taught I don’t know what is.
What are you trying to “save” Louie from the horrible heresy of “Sede Vecantism” Oh no Saints preserve us!!!!. Especially all the New Vatican II church of the New Advent Saints that Ratzinger wants to add to the Canon of the Old Mass in order to “update it”.
Yes stay away by all means Louie from those bad old Saints who even mentioned the possibility that a “Heretic pope” would ipso facto lose the Chair of St. Peter because by his manifest heresy NOT his occult Heresy he would lose the Pontificate and be automatically deposed by God. you know Louis as in St. Robert Bellarmaine or even Innocent III. No don’t read that your mind might get cloudy. The Devil, Louie in M.C’s misguided opinion is that you actually might come to a conclusion different than M.C.’s and then she couldn’t look at you anymore because you would be pointing out the evil that M.C has been tolerating for too long under the guise that it must be the Church giving us all this CRAP so I can’t leave it. It is a little like living in Los Angeles and walking down the street and seeing all of the degenerate mess of needles and feces and people mentally hurt and strung out on drugs and alcohol and saying we still have to have faith in the “democrats” running the show because they just have to be for the little guy propaganda!!!!! So you see the analogy is that this Conciliar church has to be the ” right system” because the tribe told us it was so do we listen to the tribe or do we see what are eyes opened tell us -the hard truth- that these V2 leaders (wolves in sheeps’ clothing with “red shoes”) went out of the Catholic Church???
And here Louie M.C says, “Rather than showing frustration with V2 and fighting it, show the right way, the catholic way and leave for souls to decide.” Is sounds like he or she is trying to tell you that you are somehow a “theological expert” which you already told folks that you are NOT even though the Vatican II church had you years ago as a mouth piece to promote their Vatican II program, before you -like the rest of us realized it was false system and got out of it. Somehow M.C. thinks that the Catholic religion is “fair and balanced” you decide I guess as M.C. said
“Not everybody has the time and capability to discern.” Well what are we put on this earth to do if not to take the time and “discern” the truth of this Great Apostasy. So sure you and M.C should take all the time you can and are able to study this Concentric Circle Conciliar church so that when all of us are judged we can say that we fought the good fight against the false church of Vatican II that tried to eclipse the Catholic Church and the false V2 Shepherds that tried to lead the flock off the cliff.
Louie,
30 minutes into your show about your Co Host asked you about the Novus Ordo work of human hands quote and you mentioned it was from the Oral tradition of the Jews: here is where it is from below:
New Mass had a Jewish Talmudic Table blessing
The New Mass offertory was changed into a Talmudic/Kabbala Table Blessing
Preparation for the “gifts” -Why a Work of Human Hands?
Blessing over the bread in the Novus Ordo during the “Preparation of the Altar and Gifts”
English Latin
P: Blessed are you, Lord, P: Benedictus es, Dòmine,
God of all creation. Deus univèrsi, quia de tua largitàte
Through your goodness we have accèpimus panem,
this bread to offer, quem tibi offèrimus,
which earth has given and human fructum terrae
hands have made. et òperis mànuum hòminum:
It will become for us ex quo nobis fiet
the bread of life. panis vitae.
C: Blessed be God forever. C: Benedìctus Deus in Sàecula.
Blessing over the Wine
English Latin
P: Blessed are you, Lord, P: Benedictus es, Dòmine,
God of all creation. Deus univèrsi, quia de tua largitàte
Through your goodness we have accèpimus vinum,
this wine to offer, quod tibi offèrimus,
fruit of the vine and work fructum vitis et òperis
of human hands. mànuum hòminum,
It will become our spiritual drink. ex quo nobis fiet potus spiritàlis.
C: Blessed be God forever. C: Benedìctus Deus in Sàecula.
Blessing from the Jewish Kabbala as cited by Jean Basdor, Synagogue Judaica given to us in the Latin of that time, 1661 p. 24-25.
English Latin
“Blessing for the bread:
[ art thou our Lord and God, thou art ‘Benedictus tu, Domine Deus foster,
Lord of the world Thou hast given to mundi Domine quipanem nobis
us this bread from the earth] a terra produxisti.’
Blessing for the wine:
English Latin
Blessed.thou our Lord and God, thou art. ‘Benedictus tu, Domine Deus foster,
Lord of the world mundi Domine
Thou has made this fruit of the vine. qui vineaefructum creaveris.’
From The Jewish Kabbala, cited by Jean Basdorf, Synagogue Judaica, 1661, .24-25 Also see “New Mass” Conclusively Invalid, (Maeta, Metairie Louisiana,2004) by Fr. Paul Trinchard S.T.L, page 199, (Null & Void)
or see The Jewish Kabbala, cited by Jean Basdorf, Synogue Judaica, 1661, p.24-25 or see Johannes Buxtorf Synagoga Judaica (Juden-schül) Newly Translated and Annotated by Alan D. Corré
http://www.uwm.edu/~corre/buxdorf/index.html , http://www.uwm.edu/~corre/buxdorf/chp6.html Rabbi takes the loaf of bread, cuts in on the side which is baked best, but does not cut all the way through. He puts it down, covers it with both hands, and says the Beráchah, or blessing, with these words: Praised be you, Lord our God, King of the world, who produced this bread from the earth”http://www.uwm.edu/~corre/buxdorf/chp7.html
Blessing over the wine “Praised be you, Lord our God, King of the world, who produced the fruit of the vine.” Ibid
“Work of Human Hands” The Angelus, January 1978, Volume I, Number 1
“At the time of the heretical Bishop Cranmer of England the True Mass was an object of contention between the true Catholics and the reformers, as it is now. Hatred of the True Mass and the desire for its complete destruction was a priority for its enemies at the time. Without changing the words of consecration, as they have now, the destroyers then devised a method of being rid of the real Sacrifice of Christ. In the New Mass of Cranmer prayers were changed so as not to refer to the body and blood of Christ, but to the bread and wine, as the gifts being offered.
“In the Novus Ordo Missae of Paul VI, even if the Latin is used, the dreadful words of the offertory prayers cancel out the intention of the priest for transubstantiation. They say, “through your goodness, we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made,” referring to the gifts the people bring to the altar. Pouring the water into the cup, the priest says, “by the mystery of this water and wine…” At the offering of the chalice we hear the priest say, “through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands. It will become our spiritual drink.” Nowhere do we have reference made definitely to the true Sacrifice of Christ i.e. “This Spotless Host”, “This Chalice of Salvation,” like we have in the True Mass, “Hanc Immaculatam Hostiam…” and “Calicem Salutaris.”
“Besides, “Lord of all Creation…” can it refer also to Satan? Lucifer, the highest angel, was given charge of all creation, and he has been referred to as the Lord of all creation. Our Blessed Lord referred to him as “the prince of this world.” (St. John 14-30)
Offering the fruits of bread and wine was the work of the old Law but the New Covenant replaced this with the once and for all sacrifice of Christ the work of God. The temple veil was rent in two rendering the old Law invalid after Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross.
The Novus Ordo Mass is the “work of human hands” but is it the unbloody sacrifice of Christ? Some have referred this New Order Mass to Cain’s sacrifice of fruits and grains the work of his “human hands” instead of Abel’s which was the true sacrifice of the Lamb.
Luther said of the Offeratory for the old Latin Mass, it “smacked of Sacrifice . . . the abomination called the offertory, and from this point on almost everything stinks of oblation.” Msgr. Frederick McManus, The Revival of the Liturgy, p. 217.
Martin Luther said, “The Mass is not a sacrifice … call it Benediction, Eucharist, the Lord’s Table, the Lord’s Supper, Memory of the Lord or whatever you like, just so long as you do not dirty it with the name of a Sacrifice.” Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy, The Problems with the New Mass, p. 34.
Louie, 29 minutes into your talk on the Novus Ordo the co Host asks you what if someone asked you about the Novus Ordo Mass what would you tell them and you said that you wouldn’t disturb their peace, that you would gently instruct them about what you know now but if someone had grabbed you years ago and told you don’t go to it you would have been hostile to that person.
But actually you would be obliged to tell them the truth yes as you said in a gentle way but that is actually disturbing their peace. And it sure looks like your site is already getting under the skin of so many Catholics who attend the Novus Ordo conciliar church and don’t like what you say. The thing is though they come to your blog hoping to find the truth and so you are obligated to tell them the truth which I believe that you are trying to do in a “gentle way”.
This is what Archbishop Lefebvre said about the New Mass:
“And we have the precise conviction that this new rite of Mass expresses a new faith, a faith which is not ours, a faith which is not the Catholic Faith. This New Mass is a symbol, is an expression, is an image of a new faith, of a Modernist faith. ….Now it is evident that the new rite, if I may say so, supposes another conception of the Catholic religion-another religion.” Sermon June 29,1976 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0zeNvi1QG2gJ:www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Sermon-at-the-ordination-of-13-priests-June29-1976.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
All answers are taken from Dr. David Allen White’s book The Horn of the Unicorn (Angelus Press: Kansas City, Mo., 2006) pg 223-224
These below statements were given by Archbishop Lefebvre at a conference in Econe sometime in the early 1980’s A= Archbishop Lefebvre
1) Should I go to the New Mass if I do not have the possibility of attending the Traditional Mass?
A:I simply cannot advise you to go to something which is evil. I just cannot! Personally, I wouldn’t go, because I wouldn’t want to take in the atmosphere, it is stronger than I. I simply cannot go there. So I advise you not to go…. I am simply saying that in the long run you put your faith in danger, and this is very serious…We do not have the right to put our faith in danger. Even if it is a slow poison, it is a poison nonetheless.
2) Is the New Mass intrinsically evil?
A: Perhaps some desire that I speak even more clearly. Do we say that the New Mass is intrinsically evil? I do not use the word “intrinsic” because I fear that some of you perhaps do not understand this word, thinking it is the same as “invalid”. No! That is why I avoid using the word “intrinsic”, so that there will be no ambiguity and so that no one claims: “Therefore the Mass is invalid.” I have never said that! The Mass in itself is not invalid. There are some valid Masses. But unfortunately there are probably many invalid Masses…..However, that the evil in the New Mass is truly intrinsic, in the text…..and not only something purely extrinsic, [in the abuses], this is certain.
3) To what point did the New Mass creators want to be ecumenical?
A) They wanted to be ecumenical to such a point, to bring themselves closer to the Protestants in order to pray with them, that in the end they no longer affirm the Faith. And that is very grave.
4) May a person ever attend the New Mass?
A: A person may very well go the New Mass for reasons which are quite particular without sinning against the Faith…..Passive attendance, not active, used to be permitted for Protestant ceremonies. Why then couldn’t someone attend exceptionally either the marriage of a sister or a close relative or perhaps a funeral in extraordinary circumstances? That is not going to make use lose our faith, not at all, on the contrary, I believe that it will strengthen it…..because we will be shocked by what we see!
Archbishop Lefebvre ended with: “In France, there are only twenty-seven out of one hundred practicing Catholics who still believe in the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Eucharist. really, in conscience, I cannot advice anyone to attend this Mass: it is not possible.”
“This union which liberal Catholics want between the Church and the Revolution is an adulterous union – adulterous. This adulterous union can only beget bastards. Where are these bastards? They are [the new] rites. The [new] rite of Mass is a bastard rite. The sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know whether they are sacraments that give grace. We no longer know if this Mass gives us the Body and the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. (…) The priests emerging from the seminaries are bastard priests.” (Archbishop Lefebvre Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000.)
Louie the truth can be very hard sometimes and not gentle. I don’t think Jesus was being gentle when he whipped the money changers and I don’t think Archbishop Lefebvre was either when he called the New Mass exactly what it was a “bastard rite” and people should not go to it to get there Sunday Obligation” of course he did waffle a bit and said later that applied to places were “sacrileges occurred” (every Novus Ordo Mass though contains sacrilege by its nature because it is protestantized and even paganized in some places) but if we look at what the Ottaviani Interventions said that the New Mass in its pristine Latin Form was a “striking departure from Trent” . So, I do not think it gives spiritual benefits at all if it did it would not be the revolutionary vehicle for the Great Apostasy. I am sure glad I got out of it because it is not Catholic it is the Liturgy for the Concentric Circle subsist in Humanity is the First commandment church. (Gaudium et spes section 24 heresy which Bergoglio also spouts off here:
Bergoglio’s his 2013 “Apostolic Exhortation” Evangelii Gaudium, shows the Man Centered COMMANDMENT WHICH OVERTHROWS GOD AND PUTS MAN TO BE WORSHIPED IN THE TEMPLE a plan which has Hans Küng ‘s endorsement as well as the One Worlders, having 287 numbered paragraphs. & In the middle we see a chapter title “Evangelization and the deeper understanding of the kerygma“ (Greek for “proclaim” the new NOVUS ORDO =NO RELIGION which embraces the CONCENTRIC CIRCLES OF ALL THE WORLD RELIGIONS = Vatican II ENCULTURATION (as in the pagan Amazon religion mother earth cults), there appears paragraph n. 161 which demonstrated the need to embrace all religions because they were birthed from the false prideful Novus Ordo first COMMANDMENT “MAN”:
Bergoglio’s subtle lie “It would not be right to see this call to growth exclusively or primarily in terms of doctrinal formation. It has to do with “observing” all that the Lord has shown us as the way of responding to his love. Along with the virtues, this means above all the new commandment, the first and the greatest of the commandments, and the one that best identifies us as Christ’s disciples: “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you” (Jn 15:12). Clearly, whenever the New Testament authors want to present the heart of the Christian moral message, they present the essential requirement of love for one’s neighbour: “The one who loves his neighbour has fulfilled the whole law… therefore love of neighbour is the fulfilling of the law” (Rom 13:8, 10). These are the words of Saint Paul, for whom the commandment of love not only sums up the law but constitutes its very heart and purpose: “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, ‘you shall love your neighbour as yourself’” (Gal 5:14). To his communities Paul presents the Christian life as a journey of growth in love: “May the Lord make you increase and abound in love for one another and for all” (1 Th 3:12). Saint James likewise exhorts Christians to fulfil “the royal law according to the Scripture: You shall love your neighbour as yourself” (2:8), in order not to fall short of any commandment.” .” (FALSE NONpope Francis, Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, n. 161; italics given; underlining added.) http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html Bergoglio’s code for throw out true Catholic doctrine and love man in his natural state Pachamama and all.
Contrary to the Vatican II religion Supernatural love always puts God as the first commandment, because He is God and God commands us to put him FIRST AND TO WORSHIP HIM ALONE. You cannot really love your neighbor properly if you don’t love God first. In the Novus Ordo Religion they put the LOVE OF MAN AS THE FIRST COMMANDMENT AND THE LOVE OF GOD IS JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT FOR THE VATICAN II FALSE POPES AND MAGISTERIUM BECAUSE EVERYTHING THEY DO PUTS THE FOCUS ON MAN AND TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT REAL CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHING IS ON THE FIRST COMMANDMENT :
‘I am the Lord thy God; THOUGH SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE gods BEFORE ME.. THOU SHALT NOT MAKE TO THE THYSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE, nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. (Ex 20,3-4)
Bergoglio’s first commandment is mirrored in the Modernist robber Council Vatican II (1962-65), already had difficulty identifying the greatest commandment, claiming that the “greatest commandment in the law is to love God with one’s whole heart and one’s neighbor as oneself” (Decree Apostolicam Actuositatem, n. 8); and, again, that “love for God and neighbor is the first and greatest commandment” (Pastoral Constitution Gaudium et Spes, n. 24).
Fr. Cornelius a Lapide (1567-1637) S.J., explains what the real second greatest commandment, love of neighbor is:
“The second, not in order of legislation …, but of dignity and perfection, although far inferior to the first one concerning the love of God. For God is far more to be loved than all angels and men, and all creatures whatsoever. But after God, among creatures, our neighbor is to be loved above all things…. Indeed, the reason for loving our neighbor is the love of God; we love our neighbor for God’s sake, because God commands us to love our neighbor, the image of Him.” (The Great Commentary of Cornelius à Lapide: The Holy Gospel according to Saint Matthew, vol. II, trans. by Thomas W. Mossman, rev. and compl. by Michael J. Miller [Fitzwilliam, NH: Loreto Publications, 2008], pp. 376-377; italics given; underlining added. Alternate edition available here.)
Marie
Go to work, or
Go pay attention to your children, or
Go volunteer somewhere.
You spend too much time in this combox, and that time can be put to much, much better use.
Hi Louie,
I look forward to listening to your podcast. I just wanted to point out that the Bishop behind JP2 celebrating Mass (Image above) is Archbishop Philip Hannan. In his book “The Bishop Wore Combat Boots”, he relates stories of his days as a young priest during WWII when he was flown over enemy lines and parachuted in war zones to celebrate Holy Mass and offer the Sacraments to battle-weary soldiers who welcomed this priest warmly and with much appreciation. In this book, Bishop Hannan describes his hesitant participation in Rome during the Second Vatican Council. He describes the monumental ill effects of V2 calling the Council “a mystery of evil”. I am not mentioning this as a book review, but just wanted to point out who this priest was in the image. Thank you.
Marie, are you really so insane as to believe that anyone actually reads your incessant walls of text? Or is it just about virtue signaling?
I do, if I can — and if I can’t, I make time for that later.
Thank you, Marie, for your notes.
Marie,
I’m really not sure if you sincerely do not understand what I say or you pretend. I have a sensation of talking with tape recorder: I say something than press the button and recorder ‘says’ something. Then I try to answer and again and again.
Yes, I do care about Louie, about him not sinking into Sedevacantism. There are other alternatives than unconditional love to V2 and rejecting ‘the whole thing’ altogether. I hope L. will not be blinded by your word-fall and will be able to thing outside the groves you provide.
‘then’ not ‘than’
M. you do not have to answer!
Dear Louie:
Thank you and Jesse for a concise presentation of the ongoing and perennial battle of these the end times. Yes indeed what a gem of an advice you give to your listeners: “don’t waste even two minutes of your time on anything coming out of the mouths of ANYONE [written or spoken] after 1958.” For until then there was only one man on the face of this earth, the Vicar of Christ, who was given the munus (the office) by God Himself to hold the sword of truth in matters pertaining to Faith and Morals. And “when Rome spoke, the matter was ended”. Come the Revolutionaries of Vatican II, all blinded with Modernism, the mother of all heresies, and Christ the King, and His Vicar, the Supreme Shepherd and visible head of His Church, were dethroned, and a new church, catholic only by name was established, the “Cult of Man”, in which man was made its center and end. This should be obvious even to a child suckling at the breast of Holy Mother Church provided by Grace with eyes to see and ears to hear!
Yes all the conciliar popes from John XXIII, to Benedict XVI, adherents to all the heresies of V II, are by definition material heretics, and Bergolio, cut from the same bolt, is the first one, who by virtue of his manifest and pertinacious adherence to a multitude of heresies and idolatrous actions, has lapsed into formal heresy, thus severing his communion to the Church and rendering judgement on himself, and thus losing all claim to any privileges or title or even ordinary rights that belong to any Catholic. Add to this, if he were duly elected (many even raise doubts about this) a true Pope’s faith never fails, as promised by Our Lord to Peter and his successors. Let us be clear about this: all the post conciliar popes up to Benedict XVI are material heretics, which does not in itself and ipso facto render them canonically outside the Church. Francis is a formal heretic who is no longer a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, and therefore is an anti-pope and should be identified as such by every faithful Catholic. The conciliar church is no longer Catholic and is a counterfeit church with its new doctrines, mass and rituals, new canon law, new catechism, new rites, and even new 20-decade rosary!!
In the midst of all this confusion, each one of us, the sheep, with our shepherd struck down and “taken out of the way”, let us heed the words of the Apostle in 2 Thess 2:3-11. let us anticipate the incoming of the Antichrist, who maybe around the corner, with the heinous architects of the one world government and one world religion preparing diligently the stage for him as they have been doing for a long long time. The Mystical Body of Christ is undergoing its passion, and the three nights of darkness are still ahead, and even the most elect may still be deceived.
At the foot of the Cross only three persons were awaiting that awesome moment of our salvation: the Blessed Virgin, our Mother, the Beloved Apostle John and Mary Magdalene, the repentant sinner. Let us not forget the good thief who in the same spot received salvation in the 11’th hour. I for one consider myself a thief being crucified at the right hand of the Saviour, and with the publican repeat the words :”Lord Jesus the only Son of the Living God, have mercy on me, a sinner!”
In tenacious adherence to the Truth, let us all work our salvation in fear and trembling!
P.S: This coming Sunday, February 2, 2020, the third Sunday after Epiphany, and the Feast of Presentation of Our Lord in the Temple, and the Purification Of Mary, ask the Priest to bless for you and your household 100% bees wax candles sufficient to light your home (and fill the hearts of your household members) with the light of truth and grace!
Correction: Sunday, February 2, 2020 , is the fourth Sunday after Epiphany, the Feast of the Presentation, The Candlemas Sunday and the Purification of Mary!
M.C.
You said here “Yes, I do care about Louie, about him not sinking into Sedevacantism. There are other alternatives than unconditional love to V2 and rejecting ‘the whole thing’ altogether.
In Louie’s 3rd video on Religious Liberty D.H. he said that of course in Vatican II there are citations of past true Catholic Church teaching and that those should NOT BE REJECTED (SO RIGHT THERE M.C. Louie does NOT reject the parts of Vatican II that reiterate past Church teaching) 33:22 Louis says Catholics can NOT throw out whatever he wishes because there are many instances where the Council documents repeat traditional doctrine in isolated cases from PAST COUNCILS and those things were already binding from previous councils. Then he says 33:53 that Catholics that want to stand with the entirety of truth should toss the council (V2) documents out the window because Louie claims V2 stated in Lumen Gentium that it was not binding. So HE DOES NOT reject of all of V2 as I have just proved to you.
The point I think Louie is making is that Vatican II mixes truth with error and it is false and causes confusion. Louie has said that the Catholic Church provides clarity whereas Vatican II confuses people.
What is wrong with Louie saying that?? Actually Louie is telling you the truth and we all care about Louie or we would not be listening to him. Vatican II Dignitatis Humanae Louie’s point going 9:31seconds into the podcast that man became enamored with his own dignity to the point where he usurped the place of Christ the King and put himself in charge of things that truly belonged to the lord.. based on an overblown concept of human dignity in 33:22 and he is right about that point.
M.C. The Church can not give us a bad Church Council and Loui says at 38:08 that when Archbishop Lefebvre identified the Church of Rome as a counterfeit church as an IMPOSTER and he was correct. That Conciliar church operates under the name of the Holy Catholic Church but it isn’t the Catholic Church it is a separate religion, one that has its own doctrines, its own rites and its own moral codes. If people are flummoxed Louie said about where these falsehoods come from put your energies into realize that it didn’t come from Holy Mother the Church it came from a false Church operating under the name Catholic but it will be an ape of it- it has its own rite the Mass of Paul VI it is not the Catholic Church.
Now why should you be upset about that or the possibility that no true pope would give us a false Mass or a false “ape of the Church” as Louie quoted Bishop Fulton Sheen and then Louie pointed out that Fulton Sheen had be taken in by the Vatican II church.
Here is a quote from Sheen
Sheen wrote it as part of a preface to Radio Replies, three volumes of questions and answers on the Catholic Faith by Fathers Leslie Rumble and Charles Carty, priest apologists of the mid-twentieth century. The preface is fairly lengthy and well worth reading in its entirety. My favorite portion of the preface is where Bishop Sheen makes the argument that an unofficial “mark” of Christ’s own Church is that it will be hated by the world:
“”If I were not a Catholic and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates. My reason for doing this would be that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, he must still be hated as he was when he was on earth in the flesh. If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world.
Look for the Church that is hated by the world as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times as our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior as they sneered at our Lord because he came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil as our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the prince of devils. Look for the Church which, in seasons of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God. Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible as Pilate rejected Christ because he called himself the Truth. Look for the
Church which is rejected by the world as our Lord was rejected by men.
Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions its members love as they love Christ and respect its voice as the very voice of its founder, and the suspicion will grow that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly it is other-worldly. Since it is other-worldly it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ himself. But only that which is divine can be infinitely hated and infinitely loved. Therefore the Church is divine.” (Radio Replies, vol. 1, preface, p. ix, [1938] slightly edited for readability).
above https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/quotes-and-rumors-of-quotes
M.C. the most attacked group in the Church are traditional Catholics and out of that are ones that take the Sede Vacantist position and then they even attack each other because they don’t trust possibility of error which is understandable
Thank you Seeker for your kind words about making time for my notes,
and thank you Georgianne for your critique of my overly long posts I do apologize but I find the beauty in past popes, Saints and Church teaches worth while reading. I will try to make it more succinct in the future. And I appreciate and admire Georgianne your courage in your family for instance when you stayed home from that wedding and took flack for it.
And AlphonsusJr No I am certainly not “insane” to think that everyone looks at my long citations of Church teaching or my commentary and you are quite right to challenge me or anyone including yourself on what my motives or yours might be and if the poster is genuine and Catholic or not, instead of a phony self promoter. If anyone can find several papal quotes that I post helpful then that is why I posted it. I think we have to look at pre Vatican II popes and Church documents to find the truth. Our motives should be that we want to go to heaven and assist others in that goal so God help us all and assist us to search in order to understand this horrible mess we were dished for consumption. It has made us sick and what to do about it. I do agree with Louie that we must be leery of any group that claims they have the total truth or when some group says you are not allowed to research whether one group may or may not hold the truth. The reason for this distrust is that when the shepherd has been struck the sheep will be scattered because in fact we have no pope and we do not want to be eaten by the wolves. 50 minutes to 52 minutes The Patria Podcast Episode 1: The Dubia Fallout Louie suggests we look into the question of doubts so we won’t get taken in by the wolves and go to sacraments that are doubtful and he says to prayerfully examine what Holy mother Church teaches on validity of the sacraments and look to Archbishop Lefebvre, and he warns that the Society of Archbishop Lefebvre society is not proceeding with a more careful look at traditional priests ordained by a traditional Bishops that Novus Ordo priests that enter into the SSPX should be conditionally ordained so that you do not get doubtful sacraments from the Novus Ordo world. Louie said that the lord reads the hearts of men. Louie said men get flummoxed and lose there way, so we must not resist God’s grace that is all we can do. We might not come out rock solid, but not resist that grace more and more certain but a part from a Healthy Church with a TRUE HOLY FATHER who teaches and informs, we are going to remained confused to a certain extent, or another. Some of us more so some of us less so. Then Louie said if we try to do the objective things we can to do our Lord will read the hearts of men after that. I don’t think thought that In Caritas and a Simple Beggar would like some of Louie’s statement because they believe incorrectly that the magisterium is no longer on this earth in the form of Catholic priests and bishops and apostolic succession till the end of time.
VeniSSancto
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Dear Louie:
Thank you and Jesse for a concise presentation of the ongoing and perennial battle of these the end times. Yes indeed what a gem of an advice you give to your listeners: “don’t waste even two minutes of your time on anything coming out of the mouths of ANYONE [written or spoken] after 1958.”
Can you tell me what video he said that in?? Was that your paraphrase. of his words? Perhaps give me a minute count into the video so I can listen. That would be interesting if he said don’t waste two minutes of your time on anything coming out of the mouths of ANYONE written or spoken after 1958 because then guess what VaniSSCacto why would you or Louie bother listening to Louie because he said something after 1958?
Now as to your distinction of the clowns and frauds that sat on the thrown of St. Peter from 1958 to Bergoglio just being “material” heretics is silly because they were All manifest heretics when you take the time to study what they said and did. Bergoglio has NOT said anything that the other Vatican II clowns have said and ALL OF THEM have been accused of there heresy and yes apostasy including Archbishop Lefebvre who said :
Archbishop Lefebvre declared in 1976 that it was uncertain that Paul VI was the pope.
“On the other hand, it seems to us much more certain that the faith taught by the Church for twenty centuries can CONTAIN NO ERRORS THAN it is absolutely certain that the pope is truly pope. Heresy, schism, ipso facto excommunication, invalidity of his election are all causes from which it may sometimes result that a Pope has never been or is now no longer Pope. In this case, a very exceptional one of course, the Church would be in the situation she experiences after the death of a sovereign Pontiff. For a grave problem does, after all, confront the conscience and faith of all Catholics since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate. How can a pope, true successor to St. Peter, assured of the assistance of the Holy Ghost, PRESIDE OVER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CHURCH, the deepest and most excessive in Her history, IN SO SHORT A SPACE OF TIME, WHAT NO HERESIARCH HAS EVER SUCCEEDED IN DOING? All those enter into schism who cooperate in this realization of this upheaval and ADHERE TO THIS NEW CONCILIAR CHURCH, as His Excellency Bishop Benelli designated it in the letter he addressed to me in the Holy Father’s name last June 25th.” (Declaration of August 2, 1976)
And he said similar things about JP II after Assisi I “The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below (…) This is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the antichrists.” (Letter to the future bishops, 29 August 1987)
“Rome has lost the Faith. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words in the air. It is the truth. They have left the Church. This is sure, sure, sure.” Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, July 29, 1976 Reflections on the Suspension a divinis, interview published July 30, 1976 in the periodical called Minute, no. 747 (emphasis added).
“The Church which affirms such errors is both schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic.”
“The faithful have a strict right to know that the priests they approach are not in communion with a counterfeit Church.”
“The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome are occupied by antichrists.” https://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-
Good talks and comments.
Pope Pius XII said we could put our faith in the theory of theistic macro evolution before it was a proven science where his predecessor said our faith must stay in the literal meaning of Genesis till theistic evolution is a proven fact and not just a theory. While we still have the option to put our faith in the literal meaning of Genesis, rather then the theory of theistic evolution, under pope Pius XII. There seems to be an element of heresy in this in that he is trumped by his predecessors in what he taught! Why do we need to have faith in a scientific theory? Is it wise to put ones faith in a scientific theory, rather then the literal meaning of public revelation? If truth turns out to be theistic evolution, we have not had our faith in a lie. If truth turns out to be the literal meaning of Genesis, and we put our faith in a scientific theory, then we had faith in a lie! In the literal meaning of Genesis, we simply do not have the final details of our faith in how God created us, big deal, that’s simply being honest! It’s o.k. to have a theory, but, to believe in a theory, that’s asking for trouble!
Ratio, Below is what the Catholic Church teaches on Genesis and evolution:
Pope St. Pius X’s Pontifical Biblical Commission published the following in the Acts of the Apostolic See on June 30, 1909:
Question: May we teach that the first three chapters of Genesis do not contain the narrative of things which actually happened, a narrative which corresponds to objective reality and historical truth?
Answer: In the negative!
Question: May we call in question the literal and historical meaning where there is question of facts which touch the fundamental teachings of the Christian religion, for example: the creation of all things by God in the beginning of time, the special creation of man, the formation of the first woman from Adam, and the unity of the human race?
Answer: In the negative!
“provided that he [the exegete] carefully observes the rule so wisely laid down by St. Augustine – not to depart from the literal and obvious sense, except only where reason makes it untenable or necessity requires” (Pope Leo XIII, 1893, Providentissimus Deus, no. 15).
“whether, in particular, we may call in question the literal and historical meaning when there is a question of facts narrated in these chapters” [Genesis 1-3]? Answer: in the negative (Pontifical Biblical Commission, 1909, under Pope Pius X, EB 326).
“In the first place, then, we must study the literal or historical meaning. […] Jerome then goes on to say that all interpretation rests on the literal sense, and that we are not to think that there is no literal sense merely because a thing is said metaphorically, for ‘the history itself is often presented in metaphorical dress and described figuratively’” (Pope Benedict XV, 1920, Spiritus Paraclitus, nos. 50-51; Jerome, In Hab 3:14).
“(L)et them, therefore, by means of their knowledge of languages research with all diligence the literal meaning of the words … .” (Pope Pius XII, 1943, Divino Afflante Spiritu , no. 23). “Wherefore the exegete, just as he must search out and expound the literal meaning of the words …” (ibid., no. 26) . “Let them scrupulously refrain from proposing as the genuine meaning of Sacred Scripture other figurative senses … .” (ibid., no. 27).
“Further, according to their fictitious opinions, the literal sense of Holy Scripture and its explanation, carefully worked out under the Church’s vigilance by so many great exegetes, should now yield to a new exegesis, which they are pleased to call symbolic or spiritual. By means of this new exegesis the Old Testament, which today in the Church is a sealed book, would finally be thrown open to all the faithful. By this method, they say, all difficulties vanish, difficulties which hinder only those who adhere to the literal meaning of the Scriptures” (Pope Pius XII, 1950, Humani Generis, no. 23).
Pius XII Evolution in Humani Generis August 12, 1950
His Holiness Pope Pius XII
Humani Generis
Encyclical Letter Concerning Some False Opinions Which Threaten to Undermine the Foundations of Catholic Doctrine
August 12, 1950
5. If anyone examines the state of affairs outside the Christian fold, he will easily discover the principle trends that not a few learned men are following. Some imprudently and indiscreetly hold that evolution, which has not been fully proved even in the domain of natural sciences, explains the origin of all things, and audaciously support the monistic and pantheistic opinion that the world is in continual evolution. Communists gladly subscribe to this opinion so that, when the souls of men have been deprived of every idea of a personal God, they may the more efficaciously defend and propagate their dialectical materialism.
6. Such fictitious tenets of evolution which repudiate all that is absolute, firm and immutable, have paved the way for the new erroneous philosophy which, rivaling idealism, immanentism and pragmatism, has assumed the name of existentialism, since it concerns itself only with existence of individual things and neglects all consideration of their immutable essences.
Ratio,
Theistic evolution WILL NEVER BE PROVEN A FACT so it is not a matter of believing in the truth till they prove a falsehood of theistic evolution.
what you said here can never be correct “literal meaning of Genesis till theistic evolution is a proven fact and not just a theory.” No such thing and below proves it.
EVOLUTION IS FALSE AS IS ‘THEISTIC EVOLUTION”
Pius XII 37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is no no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[18] Pius XII Evolution in Humani Generis August 12, 1950
Pope Leo XIII taught about marriage in the 1880 encyclical Arcanum, with “the testimony of all nations and of all times.”
The true origin of marriage, venerable brothers, is well known to all. Though revilers of the Christian faith refuse to acknowledge the never-interrupted doctrine of the Church on this subject, and have long striven to destroy the testimony of all nations and of all times, they have nevertheless failed not only to quench the powerful light of truth, but even to lessen it. We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep. God thus, in His most far-reaching foresight, decreed that this husband and wife should be the natural beginning of the human race, from whom it might be propagated and preserved by an unfailing fruitfulness throughout all futurity of time.” Pope Leo XIII, Arcanum 5.
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This universal teaching of the Church on the first marriage is inseparably linked to the creation of Adam “from the slime of the earth” (de limo terrae) and Eve from “the side of Adam.”[4] It must not escape notice that in both cases we are told of the creation of the bodies of Adam and Eve.[5] And beyond that, the Scriptures recount that Eve was specially created to be Adam’s wife and that Adam was “alone” until he became her husband.
[4] For an excellent presentation on this subject, see Fr. Maximilian Mary Dean, F.I. at http://absoluteprimacyofchrist.org/appendix-ii-creation-of-adams-body, , accessed 9/8/2015.
[5] This precludes any speculation that the inspired account of our origins only deals with the creation of the soul of humanity. In fact, it would be hard to devise any language that could more adequately dismiss the notion that Adam and Eve were conceived in THE WOMB OF AN APE-LIKE CREATURE.
Ratio,
Your comment here “said our faith must stay in the literal meaning of Genesis till theistic evolution is a proven fact and not just a theory. ” Theistic evolution can NEVER be a FACT because our Lord could never have descended from a common ancestor of an ape. Below proves it,
EVOLUTION IS FALSE AS IS ‘THEISTIC EVOLUTION”
Pius XII 37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is no no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[18] Pius XII Evolution in Humani Generis August 12, 1950
Pope Leo XIII taught about marriage in the 1880 encyclical Arcanum, with “the testimony of all nations and of all times.”
The true origin of marriage, venerable brothers, is well known to all. Though revilers of the Christian faith refuse to acknowledge the never-interrupted doctrine of the Church on this subject, and have long striven to destroy the testimony of all nations and of all times, they have nevertheless failed not only to quench the powerful light of truth, but even to lessen it. We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep. God thus, in His most far-reaching foresight, decreed that this husband and wife should be the natural beginning of the human race, from whom it might be propagated and preserved by an unfailing fruitfulness throughout all futurity of time.” Pope Leo XIII, Arcanum 5.
below
This universal teaching of the Church on the first marriage is inseparably linked to the creation of Adam “from the slime of the earth” (de limo terrae) and Eve from “the side of Adam.”[4] It must not escape notice that in both cases we are told of the creation of the bodies of Adam and Eve.[5] And beyond that, the Scriptures recount that Eve was specially created to be Adam’s wife and that Adam was “alone” until he became her husband.
[4] For an excellent presentation on this subject, see Fr. Maximilian Mary Dean, F.I. at http://absoluteprimacyofchrist.org/appendix-ii-creation-of-adams-body, , accessed 9/8/2015.
[5] This precludes any speculation that the inspired account of our origins only deals with the creation of the soul of humanity. In fact, it would be hard to devise any language that could more adequately dismiss the notion that Adam and Eve were conceived in THE WOMB OF AN APE-LIKE CREATURE.
What is Dr Jesse Russell’s position on the Crisis? I ask because I see that he has written for a number of the R&R/Novus Ordo maggazines, such as the Remnant, Crisis, and 1Peter5.
Marie,
MC: There are other alternatives than unconditional love to V2 and rejecting ‘the whole thing’ altogether.
MT: Louie does NOT reject the parts of Vatican II that reiterate past Church teaching.
Then he says 33:53 that Catholics that want to stand with the entirety of truth should toss the council (V2) documents out the window
That Conciliar church operates under the name of the Holy Catholic Church but it isn’t the Catholic Church it is a separate religion, one that has its own doctrines, its own rites and its own moral codes.
And so on. Business as usual…
Marie, we do know that there are problems with V2 and it’s implementation. This is NOT the subject I refer to. I object your thinking that because of V2 I should renounce the whole Church. I mean: popes, bishops, clergy, Mass if it has any, even remotely, connections to V2.
I recognize (I still pray for light) that many are confused. For example some bishop can follow ‘spirit of V2’. I do not follow this bishop if he leads me to Assisi type of meetings, but if he does, I will not stop recognizing him being a bishop. You do.
Let me show you on yet another example what I try to say. I hope this will be the last time. Try to focus not on particular case but on broader problem, on way one think.
Do you know 5th commandment? I’m sure you do. It says: You shall not kill.
Now, you and I know what it means, but take an atheist case. He will point out to contradictions in Catholicism because somewhere else the Bible says to kill unblemished lamb. If you try to explain to him that he is not right, that he’s interpreting that commandment incorrectly, that there are translation issues, he will answer that in 5th god (small letter because he’s talking about god from his mind) _clearly_ says ‘not kill’ and in other place he commands to kill. “If this is not contradiction then I don’t know what it is.” And then he will go on to provide other ‘proves’.
Other individual, same commandment. He has sede-like mindset and accuses you of being non-Catholic on base you act against 5th. “When you walk plenty of germs and bugs die under your boots. When you drive a car, some squeals and other animals are killed by you. When you eat meat you, indirectly, kill cows and pigs.” “You are acting against the 5th, you are _clearly_ not Catholic.”
I know you see the absurdity of both of those claims. Above individuals are dead serious though. They’ve already made their decisions and minds follow providing what is needed to support it.
Exactly the same is with sede thinking. They reject the Church. They claim they do not, but in practice they do.
Lets take our V2 example. You started correct (first quote) and ended up with false conclusion (third quote of yours). This is your mind at work, following your will and leading you where you want to be. I can see fallacy of your position where you can not. I’m not saying you are technically stupid, I assume you are above average and likely above me. This is your mind following your will that leads you to rejecting popes and bishops. Your mind does not allow you to recognize in Church’s teachings that pope/council can be wrong.
I know what will happen next. You will provide long quote about ecumenical council to prove me wrong. Then you will ignore anything I say you are reading this quote without proper context (like those two individuals from examples I provided) and we stop. Then, after some time, the same scheme will start over again, maybe from different than V2 beginning. Except it won’t be me this time you are talking to.
Don’t get me wrong, many things you are saying are correct, there is an error in the air, there is confusion. We have to return to healthy tradition, to the Truth. We have to repent. I believe it is in Jeremiah that God said if this people wont revert from wicked ways I will send them priests that will lead them to hell. Reason for this was not to make people to reject priests but to revert and repent. What you sede are doing is yanking people from the Church. You are working for the Enemy, Marie.
MT: M.C. the most attacked group in the Church are traditional Catholics and out of that are ones that take the Sede Vacantist position
I really don’t care who is most or least attacked. I care about my salvation. And my family’s. And others. That’s why I care about Louis. My priority is me and family though, I can’t spend as much time in combox anymore as I did so far.
M.C.
You said here “Yes, I do care about Louie, about him not sinking into Sedevacantism.
In Louie’s 3rd video on Religious Liberty D.H. he said that of course in Vatican II there are citations of past true Catholic Church teaching and that those should NOT BE REJECTED (SO RIGHT THERE M.C.) 33:22 Louis says Catholics can NOT throw out whatever he wishes because there are many instances where the Council documents repeat traditional doctrine in isolated cases from PAST COUNCILS and those things were already binding from previous councils. because Louie claims V2 stated in Lumen Gentium that it was not binding. So HE DOES NOT reject of all of V2 as I have just proved to you.
The point I think Louie is making is that Vatican II mixes truth with error and it is false and causes confusion. Louie has said that the Catholic Church provides clarity whereas Vatican II confuses people.
What is wrong with Louie saying that?? Actually Louie is telling you the truth and we all care about Louie or we would not be listening to him. Vatican II Dignitatis Humanae Louie’s point going 9:31seconds into the podcast that man became enamored with his own dignity to the point where he usurped the place of Christ the King and put himself in charge of things that truly belonged to the lord.. based on an overblown concept of human dignity in 33:22 and he is right about that point.
M.C. The Church can not give us a bad Church Council and Loui says at 38:08 that when Archbishop Lefebvre identified the Church of Rome as a counterfeit church as an IMPOSTER and he was correct. That Conciliar church operates under the name of the Holy Catholic Church but it isn’t the Catholic Church it is a separate religion, one that has its own doctrines, its own rites and its own moral codes. If people are flummoxed Louie said about where these falsehoods come from put your energies into realize that it didn’t come from Holy Mother the Church it came from a false Church operating under the name Catholic but it will be an ape of it- it has its own rite the Mass of Paul VI it is not the Catholic Church.
Now why should you be upset about that or the possibility that no true pope would give us a false Mass or a false “ape of the Church” as Louie quoted Bishop Fulton Sheen and then Louie pointed out that Fulton Sheen had be taken in by the Vatican II church.
Here is a quote from Sheen
Sheen wrote it as part of a preface to Radio Replies, three volumes of questions and answers on the Catholic Faith by Fathers Leslie Rumble and Charles Carty, priest apologists of the mid-twentieth century. The preface is fairly lengthy and well worth reading in its entirety. My favorite portion of the preface is where Bishop Sheen makes the argument that an unofficial “mark” of Christ’s own Church is that it will be hated by the world:
“”If I were not a Catholic and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates. My reason for doing this would be that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, he must still be hated as he was when he was on earth in the flesh. If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world.
Look for the Church that is hated by the world as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times as our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior as they sneered at our Lord because he came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil as our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the prince of devils. Look for the Church which, in seasons of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God. Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible as Pilate rejected Christ because he called himself the Truth. Look for the
Church which is rejected by the world as our Lord was rejected by men.
Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions its members love as they love Christ and respect its voice as the very voice of its founder, and the suspicion will grow that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly it is other-worldly. Since it is other-worldly it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ himself. But only that which is divine can be infinitely hated and infinitely loved. Therefore the Church is divine.” (Radio Replies, vol. 1, preface, p. ix, [1938] slightly edited for readability).
above https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/quotes-and-rumors-of-quotes
M.C. the most attacked group in the Church are traditional Catholics and out of that are ones that take the Sede Vacantist position and then they even attack each other because they don’t trust possibility of error which is understandable
Sorry for re-quoting your whole post. This was by mistake. I do not know how to correct it. My answer ends with the line with M.C. initials alone.
btw:
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Thank you for your contribution. God bless and preserve us in the One True Holy Faith to death. Viva Cristo Rey!
The anti-rational, anti-God theories involving man “evolving” from a line of animals, etc. are promoted for the purpose of denying God, and thence, man’s true nature. Anti-science. Science serves true knowledge in the material sphere, a function of God-given human reason and desire to better understand Creation.
M. C.
You are right to be suspicious of anyone or any group that would lead you out of the Catholic Church. I am also.
M. C. you said something here that Louie addressed very strongly in the 3rd video,
“Reason for this was not to make people to reject priests but to revert and repent. What you sede are doing is yanking people from the Church. You are working for the Enemy, Marie.”
Louie warns people in the end of his video on Religious Liberty that he was very bothered by the very real possibility that because the Conciliar Church changed the consecration rites to make bishops and thus the priesthood that people could be going to laymen to get their sacraments EVEN IF THEY WERE GOING TO A TRADITIONAL MASS – that you cannot approach a DOUBTFUL SACRAMENT and that Archbishop Lefebvre was very suspicious that the New Consecration rite of Bishops was dubious. Louie said that you should look into that M.C. because you might be getting sacraments from a man who IS NOT FROM THE APOSTLES AND CAN NOT GIVE YOU valid SACRAMENTS.
Is Louie the enemy just because he doesn’t take your view??
Louie also warned that the SSPX currently is accepting more Novus Ordo priests and NOT conditionally ordaining them as the Novus Ordo Holy Orders and consecration rite is HIGHLY DUBIOUS.
Again is Louie the enemy also???? He told you pretty much the same thing that many in the Church are wondering about and some of these people ARE NOT even sede vacantists. I think that on the one hand Louie said that “he did not want to disturb people’s peace by telling them don’t go to the New Mass because if someone would have told him back when he was going to the Novus Ordo he would have reacted very strongly and rejected everything they said.”
Now M.C. you probably agree that it is best to avoid the New Mass but maybe 20 years ago you would have not thought that and you would have been like Louie. Most of us have gone to the Novus Ordo before we learned better. Maybe you are NOW AGAINST the idea that the Novus Ordo priests are NOT priests but maybe if they started to do Pachamama stuff you might wonder. The fact is IF THE ORDINATION RITE IS VALID THEN a priest doing Pachamama stuff would be a great sacrilege but HE WOULD BE VALID . However, I think that the possibility that these NOVUS ORDO PRIESTS WHO ARE WELL MEANING Novus Ordo priests who are NOT doing Pachamama type STUFF would SCARE FOLKS TO even conceive THAT THEY ARE MERE LAYMEN (not priests) because then a fraud would be perpetrated on 1 billion Catholics around the world. If it is the Great Apostasy though M.C. and it is -WHY COULND’T THIS HAPPEN?? You might think that would mean that the Church then would have led people astray and I say “ NO IT WOULD BE CLERGY WHO WENT OUT OF THE CHURCH AND THE REASON WHY THERE IS STILL APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION IS BECAUSE CHRIST HIMSELF PROVIDES APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION TO PRIESTS AND BISHOPS FEW IN NUMBER WHO REJECT THE FALSE CONCILIAR CHURCH & can trace their APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION TO PIUS XII. What does that mean for the 1 Billion people falsely believing their clergy is Catholic??? God in His mercy and justice will work that out it is not my call. I would never judge anyone else.
Louie would NOT WANT PEOPLE TO REJECT REAL PRIESTS OR CLERGY ONLY DOUBTFULL ONES.
Well the cat is out of the bag M.C. because not only is Louie warning people that the Conciliar Church is NOT the Catholic Church he is telling you that the NOVUS ORDO CLERGY we now have are DOUBTFUL AS ARE THEIR SACRAMENTS AND THAT EVEN IF YOU WOULD GO TO AN INDULT THAT COULD BE DOUBFTUL UNLESS THOSE PRIESTS CAME FROM BISHOPS WHO WERE ORDAINED AS BISHOPS IN THE OLD RITE by Catholic Bishops who got their orders from Pius XII Bishops pre 1958 Rite possibly pre- 1968 rite (in other words not Novus Ordo bishops who ordain a priest and then that priest says the old Latin Mass; this priest might be a MERE LAYMAN because of an invalid ordination rite after 1968) and that Louie himself is studying and praying about this more to see what to do in his own life and where he goes to Church. He does not want to get sacraments that are DOUBTFUL.
M.C is Louie your enemy just because you cannot at this point in time accept what he is saying?? You are trying to “save” him so he accepts your view?? In reality don’t you want to save him from doing something you are UNWILLING TO DO —believing IN THE VALIDITY OF a Counter Church Clergy that spreads DOUBT AND HALF TRUTHS AND FALSE CLERGY AND SACRAMENTS???? These are the only guys sitting in chairs so DON’T GO AGAINST THE TRIBE’S PROPAGANDA BECAUSE THE TRIBAL VATICAN II CULT OF MAN SECT BELIEVES IN ITSELF AND YOU HAVE TO ALSO?????!!!! They got stuff from Pius XII and they pass down the Church but it is patently false because what they do is the opposite.
YOU ARE SO SURE THAT THIS COULD NOT BE TRUE that frauds are in power BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT POSSITION. But haven’t you changed your position on many Church issues in the past 30 years??? As people gain more knowledge and pray in this crisis the fog begins to lift but Louie even said that some people can still remain in the fog and be sincere and God will have mercy on them because they want to serve him and love him. There were people in the Great Western Schism who believed in Anti-popes and became Saints. The difference between now and then is worse because now we have a false counter Church whereas then they just had anti-popes who for the most part did not promote heresy. You have been told propaganda that taking the sede vacantist view puts you out of the church from the same frauds who are giving you New Sacraments, New Rites New Doctrine and closing down parishes and you want to believe that they still represent the Catholic Church.
“Some higher person or law must authorize and control all created authority whether individual or collective… from this follows the momentous principle, which we may enunciate thus: NO AUTHORITY HAS THE RIGHT TO COMMAND UNLESS IN COMMANDING IT IS ITSELF OBEYING. In other words, authority can command obedience only when its act or command is an act of obedience.” Father Vincent Mc Nabb The Game, Vol II, Advent, 1918. (London, Eng.).
M.C. are these “authorities” you believe represent the Apostles following the stable and essentially unchanging traditions, Rites and doctrines of the Apostles???
I rest my case.
2Vermont,
I believe he said he has gone to “indult” type groups like the Priestly Frat of St. Peter. Yes he has written for those R&R groups. He can change just as we have. I thnk that Jesse’s eyes are opening to the fact that the Novus Ordo “Conciliar” Church is a masonic entity which “tolerates” traditionalists in the big tent One World Concentric Circle Zoo.
Lynda
This point you made here “are promoted for the purpose of denying God” is really what is going on in the V2 church today in an insidious way by making Man first in regards to every expression of the Conciliar Church’s teaching and functions. Louie’s point in the third video is Christ’s Kingship is denied when the Novus Ordo church puts man and his opinions and “religious liberty” first when we have a duty to worship God as He has set down in the Catholic Church, ie. the stable true Rites that were passed down by the apostles and not the new rites of the “man Centered” Masonic oriented Concentric Circle Conciliar subsist in “big tent” church.
So what you said is so true because true science would never contradict the teachings of the perennial Catholic Church. I wish that more people understood what you said then they would not fall for “evolutionary science”
Marie,
Perhaps if you format them better they would be more easily digestible. Maybe make sure you use more spaces between ideas/make distinct paragraphs? Or provide more clickable links rather than copying and pasting large amounts of text? I will say that the formatting is frustrating on this platform, so there’s just so much one can do.
I tend to ignore most posts that go on and on. I much prefer when folks make their point in 2-3 paragraphs. I know Louie once said, in so many words, that we shouldn’t have long, drawn out posts, but that seems to happen on the regular here. So, if it makes you feel any better, you are certainly not the only one.
Brevity is the soul of wit, after all.
Dear Marie,
It is quite clear that you have spare time on your hands. You also have the talent and perseverance to research countless resources. But, most of all, you have a passion for Our Lord’s Holy, Roman Catholic Church, as He stablished it, and a sincere love of the Catholic Faith. Have you ever considered submitting articles for consideration to Catholic publishers of newspapers and/or magazines who share your enthusiasm? I am not suggesting this as a criticism of your numerous long posts. However, I do feel that this outlet may be equally or more suitable for your hard work and be of benefit to confused Catholics who do not have the time or ability to research how the so-called “catholic” church has lost its mission and foundation. God bless.
Louie, I must disagree: it takes about 5 minutes to present the fallacy of Pope Benedict’s resignation, and I figure 5 years won’t suffice to untangle the Fr. Kramer vs. Siscoe/Salza debate on material – formal heresy, with all due respect to St. Robert Bellarmine.
Absolutely right, Father Monk.
The problem is, at least as I see it, that to recognize resignation as invalid, one has to admit that B16 became the true pope of the Catholic Church in 2005 – very inconvenient for sede mindset. Better dive in murky waters of heretical pope.
Fake pope+fake resignation=fake church
Exactly my2cents! People, we were scammed now get over yourself and stop acting like idiots. These people are begging, “Please, let’s pretend Ratzinger was Catholic so that his fake resignation means we still have a Pope.” No. His fake resignation means nothing other than if these Freemasons are speaking, they’re lying. You just have a new fake pope. I don’t. I’m Catholic and the Pope has been dead since 1958. I hope we somehow get one again someday but I will never again follow these Freemasons pretending to be Catholic. New Order is anti-Catholic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_throw_the_baby_out_with_the_bathwater
And I have another thing off topic to add that nobody is going to like. The New Order is now teaching us that it’s okay to commit suicide. Now, there exist people in the world who can go their entire life on an even keel and the idea of suicide would never cross their minds. My husband is like this and he is no part Irish, at all. Many many people have widely fluctuating emotions and life CAN become so bad that it would be more pleasant to be dead and annihilated, nonexistent, which is what the NEW ORDER pretend pope teaches happens to us after death if we don’t make it to Heaven. Pain whether physical or emotional can become horrific. Now, NO pain NO PAIN is more excruciating than the pain we will feel in hell for ETERNITY if we decide to shoot ourselves in the head. The Catholic Church teaches that. The New Order religion says, we’re not suggesting you off yourself but we really wouldn’t blame you. This New Order is Satan’s religion, so SO evil. It’s actually stunning.
Speaking of the Fr. Kramer vs. Siscoe/Salza debated, Siscoe absolutely took Fr. Kramer to school in this recent back and forth discussion. http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/paul-kramer-public-heretic-is-one-who.html
I recently showed a relative the video of JP2 leading the numerous groups of heretics and demonic pagans, at the prayer meeting in Assisi, 1986. From the American Indian blowing his pipe smoke up to the sky, to the demonic chants of other pagans, there is no doubt that this meeting was satanic. Same as False Francis, JP2 publicly, blatantly opposed our Lord Jesus. “Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
(The Apostle John 17)
By honoring and praying with: Shintoists, Buddhists, Janeists, Muhammadans, Hindus… JP2 denied the One True God.
“John Salza & Robert Siscoe Remain Obstinate in their Heretical Belief that the Church Can Judge the Pope” https://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2020/01/25/john-salza-robert-siscoe-remain-obstinate-in-their-heretical-belief-that-the-church-can-judge-the-pope/
Yes, Joseph A Christian, JP2 ignored or was totally ignorant of the First Commandment: “Thou Shalt Not Have Any Other Gods Before Me.” Yet, he is referred to as “the Great”. Actually, that is correct. He is “the Great Heretic”.
AHEM.
Asissi 2 anyone? The great elephant in the room that the so-called “trads” like to ignore: their beloved victim “Pope” whom they cling to, BENEDICT, DID THE SAME.
I would like to correct the wording of the First Commandment as sited above: “I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me.” In any event, it is apparent that JP2 and B16 believed the Catholic religion was just one of many religions. If that doesn’t make them heretics and impostors than what will?
Thank you my2Cents,
For your encouragement. Yes I have had a few things published over the years. And I would not take offence anyway if you were criticizing me. No one is above being criticized- certainly not me. My posts will be shorter. I think people like Louie are brave people because when things get bad well you know what happens. We have seen the persecution in history. Look what they did to our Lord and we are not above him.
my2cents, Charmaine,A Simple Beggar, Joseph a Christian, my2cents, Charmaine, Melanie
I agree with all your points,
JP II had more time to spread his manifest heresy and Robert Sisco & Salza’s book was bogus. I started to read the first 70 pages and I found so many holes in it. Even though I disagree with “Fr. Kramer” about Benedict Ratzinger being the pope he is totally right that Begoglio is a false pope and he has solid scholarship. They got elected because the clergy was infiltrated. The fact is that every one of these “Conciliar” false popes were manifest heretics before they were elected so that is why Paul IV bull fits the bill. It is sad for instance that Fr. Curzio Nitoglia from Italy also believes that a manifestly heretical pope can still maintain “jurisdiction” and so does “Fr. Brian Harrison” and Fr Wathen.
People that hold these false views simply contribute to the frauds maintaining their bogus power. Sadly even Garrigou-Lagrange OP held this false view and he was JP II’s professor in the seminary. It was definitely as of that point though not a heresy otherwise the Church would have corrected Lagrange. Therefore we should not throw stones at our fellow Catholics who do not understand the problem with their confusing theory. A very respected theologian Lagrange who was greatly respected by Pius XII held it. They think that we are confused. Louie talked about this confusion in his 3rd video and how when you don’t have a true pope in place it causes confusion with the flock. We need to be patient with people searching.
ASB & My2cents,
” Yet, he is referred to as “the Great”. Actually, that is correct. He is “the Great Heretic”. True, you had me laugh with that. Your slogan can make a witty bumper sticker, just don’t drive through Poland. (smile)
ASB ,
True, the more I learn about Ratzinger: his vile Assisi meeting, his worshipping in the Rome synagogue with false Jews… I have come to appreciate the term imposters, I doubt these creatures ever had the faith, As our Lord Jesus stated, those who jump the fence to get to the flock, are thieves and robbers. These false popes perpatrated an enormous amount of deceit at Vatican 2, they must have deceived very much to first get near the Vatican.
Almighty God keep us faithful, strong in the one true faith, in Jesus the Giver of Life.
Melanie,
You make a lot of really good points especially about Ratzinger. Regarding your statements on suicide you are right on the mark!
Young people are especially encouraged to commit suicide. The demonic rock, and heavy metal, hip hop and even pop music today encourages people to fall into despair and take their lives. The New World Order and these conciliar “popes” teaching on Universal salvation especially JP II who said that each man whether he knows it or not is united to Christ by virtue of being a human has contributed to it. Suicide and drug overdoses are a means for the New World Order to implement population control besides abortion and contraception. Sadly people are committing more mortal sins and then they fall into despair. Our Lady told Sr. Lucy that we must pray the daily rosary and help those around to make sacrifices to save souls. Sr. Lucy also said that “we should not wait for an appeal to the world to come from Rome on the part of the Holy Father, to do penance. Nor should we wait for the call to penance to come from our bishops in our diocese, nor from the religious congregations. No! Our Lord has already very often used these means and the world has not paid attention. That is why now, it is necessary for each one of us to begin to reform himself spiritually. Each person must not only save his own soul but also all the souls that God has placed on our path ..”
This shows Melanie that Sr. Lucy knew that there would be a total meltdown in the Church and you would have to yourself do the penance because the institutional Church would go haywire.
Joseph a Christian,
I am curious. What was your relatives response to the video on JP 2?? So many think he was JP II the Great Saint. We have been brain washed since we were children to “look up” to JP II and the world truly loved him. Did they love Jesus like that though??
FatherMonk,
I will say you have a point. Sede Vecantism is not a “dogma” in the Catholic Church however it is a universal ordinary magisterial teaching here 1): It follows that those [who] are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit…. For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy.” Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Mystici Corporis, nn. 22-23 You can not be Pope of the Catholic Church if you are not a member due to manifest heresy.
I do agree that if it was so clear for most people what is really going on that in your view “5 years won’t suffice to untangle the Fr. Kramer vs. Siscoe/Salza debate on material – formal heresy, with all due respect to St. Robert Bellarmine.” We are in this state because people refuse to see what 2) Pope Paul IV said Pope Innocent III ( in their ordinary magisterial teaching ) and St. Francis de sales regarding manifest heretics ipso facto lose the chair of Peter literaly. Most people do not even know these facts and even if they did would they care? Would they “call the butler to remove him anyway?
Heresy is spread so rampant that people now no longer want to see “Protestants as heretics” let alone Bergoglio who is worse, as even Benedict XVI said that Protestants were not heretics because he was protesting the Catholic church for years along with his friend Hans Kung (he wrote a forward in a book of Kungs). For modernists NO ONE is a heretic because they are heretics. Leo XIII however said that if one is a heretic on one point you reject the whole Catholic faith and he was just reiterating what St. Athanasius said. Heresy is foremost against divine law so it is not just a crime which somehow “needs a trial”. Hell is full of people who did not get there because of “a human court “.
Now I understand all the distinctions between has a person done this in the external forum (not occult) and been “pertinacious” and have they been warned by others. The Abe de Nantes was in fact doing that in the 1960’s, 1970’s and yes even with JP in the 1980’s not to mention Archbishop Lefebvre, Castro Mayer, Fr. Arriaga and so many others who accused the V2 popes of heresy. The Conciliar “popes” went on their merry way for over 60 years and Wolf Bergogolio is carrying out their fraudulent Concentric Circle New Age Novus Ordo Seclorum traditions of nations conspiring against the Lord and against His Christ. Psalms 2:1-2
Dear Louie, You and Jesse make a good team. You compliment each other. God bless your new venture. Randy Engel, Guest Contributor, aka Catholic.
Marie,
Fr. LaGrange held what heresy?
Marie,
There’s no confusion when you look for the answers where we are supposed to look for the answers: The Church as in Her Holy, Living, Infallible, Perpetual, Authoritative, Unambiguous Magisterium – the Voice of Jesus Christ left on earth.
I have NO more confusion. I did, just like all who are now in confusion, BEFORE I knew where to look for the answers. God readied me along my crooked and SELF-drawn path, and then once exposed to the Truth, I assented immediately without argument nor any doubt, except that for which (once humbled by the fact that I knew NOTHING) I learned to have with respect to mySELF.
You must prove this terrible accusation against Fr. LaGrange, and if you can’t, you must retract it and beg God’s forgiveness, dear Marie.
A Simple Beggar , whole quote here starts “baptized formal heretic is not a member in act of the Church” then brings up Bellarmines Occult heretic pope. http://www.dominicansavrille.us/on-the-deposition-of-the-pope-part-2-of-2/
A Simple Beggar you can also find it here:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://doncurzionitoglia.wordpress.com/2019/11/12/ancora-sulla-deposizione-del-papa-eretico-da-parte-del-concilio-imperfetto-2/&xid=17259,1500004,15700022,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700301&usg=ALkJrhjF4RgD6v_vsoGd8KqiXWeGgH6nTw
Poor, poor, non-Catholic fool, Marie Tageye,
You are the most bombastic, miscreant, blowhard that has ever typed on this site. The fool whose website that you link to discredit Fr. Reginald Garrigou LaGrange is no more Catholic than you, you perfectly heretical, pseudo-intellectual, imbecilic moron. Your calumny of Fr. LaGrange will simply add to your torment in eternal Hell, you jingoistic moron. Jesus the Christ commanded: “You will KNOW them by their fruits.” You poor, poor, poor, pseudo-intellectual, bombastic moron. Cease with you incessant gibberish as you add to your torment in Hell. Talk less and listen more you imbecilic moron. God help you, histrionic woman. In caritas.
A Simple Beggar, I knew that In Caritas would discredit that site here is another one Starts with baptized formal heretic is not a member in act of the Church then talks about pope here https://archive.org/stream/GodHisExistenceAndHisNatGarrigouLagrangeReginaldO3123.o/Christ%20the%20Savior%20-%20Garrigou-Lagrange%2C%20Reginald%2C%20O_3050_djvu.txt
In Caritas and A Simple Beggar,
You are Wrong that Apostolic Succession is dead since 1958 and this quote proves it.
St. Alphonsus Liguori “It should first be noted that the superiority of the Pope over the council does not extend to the DUBIOUS POPE IN THE TIME OF A SCHISM when there is a SERIOUS DOUBT ABOUT THE LEGITIMACY OF HIS ELECTION; because then everyone must submit to the council, as defined by the Council of Constance. Then indeed the GENERAL COUNCIL draws its SUPREME POWER DIRECTLY FROM CHRIST, AS IN TIMES OF VACANCY OF THE APOSTOLIC SEE, as it was well said by St. Antoninus (also Summa, p. 3 did. 23, c. 2 § 6).” St. Alphonsus at the end of the edition of his Moral Theology in 1748 Dissertatio de romani pontificis auctoritate super propositionem 29 damnatam ab Alexandro VIII.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=2ahUKEwiHjOawpa_nAhVDM6wKHUDuBlAQFjABegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdigital.dgb.uanl.mx%2Fla%2F1080042582_C%2F1080042582_T1%2F1080042582.PDF&usg=AOvVaw2Te6s9bBgSZ_fq31mojZ4T
Theologia Moralist Beati A. M. De Ligorio, Nova Edittio, Domini Receveur, Tomus Primus ( Volume I) Paris 1845, PAGE 113 section 121. — Prenotandum I. hoc, quod Papa sit suprà concilium
I have the book and that is the correct translation in English. You are wrong Christ carries on Apostolic Succession during a Crisis.
Let us all heed Randy Engel’s very short remark, and emulate her humility in her crisp comment. And likewise heed our Lord’s simple yet very profound words: “Let your YES be YES, and your NO be NO, everything else is from the Devil.”
No one on the face of the Earth (including all of the commentators on this Blogsite) at this time can claim to be “The Pope” who holds the primacy of jurisdiction in matters of Faith and Morals”. Let us humbly acknowledge that all of us are scattered sheep who have no shepherd to lead us, and are left with the only two signs given to us by Our Lady for these the End Times: “The Holy Rosary and the Sign of My Son: [The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass].”
Let us kneel in fear and trembling, at the True Mass closest to us (even if we have to travel hours to get to one) in front of the High Altar at the moment Our Lord, the spotless Lamb, is being offered to The Father, in atonement for our sins and the sins of the whole world! This is the only Act in the Cosmos that pleases the Father, and is holding the incoming of the Antichrist from appearing on the world scene. “For he who now holdeth do hold until he be taken out of the way.” He who holdeth (the last true Pope) has already been taken out of the way, and the only thing that delays the incoming of the “wicked one” is Our Eucharistic Lord, Who promised to be with us until the end of the world. For as long as there is even one True Mass celebrated anywhere on this planet, the three days of darkness will not obtain when the “Light of the World” is still with us, and therefore the son of perdition cannot appear on the scene!
Sacred Heart of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, have mercy on us!
Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!
Marie Tageye, the heretic,
What do you not understand about the Reality as it is, you truly pseudo-intellectual moron, that the great Saint and Doctor of Holy Mother Church is speaking about the history of Holy Mother Church up until October 27, 1958, when Apostolic Succession was forever lost, by the Apostolic Power and Authority of the Vicar of Christ, Pope Pius XII, as deemed to be so by the utter violation of his Apostolic Constitution on Papal Election Law, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis”??? You continue to affront his governance and discipline, you literal jingoistic adherent and tacit proponent of Lucifer’s own, “religion of man”, where every godless heathen as you Marie Tageye and the Simple Man, etc., ad nauseum, gets to be his own pope, you utterly miscreant, imbecilic fool. Amen. Saint Alphonsus Marie Ligori was speaking of a time as true, “interregnum”, you imbecile. This is not an interregnum since Oct. 27, 1958, 18 days after the death of the final Vicar of Christ this scorched and barren world will ever know, and still running unto the Last Day, when Jesus the Christ comes Once and again at the Consummation of the world, you non-Catholic, heretical fool. IT IS NOT AN INTEREGNUM, because Pope Pius XII commanded this to be so, you blind fool. An interregnum is the time when the Church’s Hierarchy remains in force with true Shepherds who are OBEYING THE PAPAL ELECTION LAW WHICH IS IN FORCE AT THE TIME. There was to be ONE TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, when this Papal Election Law was to be violated and that was to be and was in reality, the time of the very person of Antichrist, with the False Prophet who preceded him. Amen. Alleluia. Any other belief is heresy. Amen. What do you not understand about the changing of the governance of the Church, as accomplished by one man, the Vicar of Christ, who holds the Power of the Keys, you miscreant fool, as you continue to affront the divine Authority of Pope Pius XII in, “VAS”? This Papal Election Law was not in force at the time of Saint Alphonsus Ligori, you imbecile. At the pain of suffering your very own personal eternity in Hell with your Prince Marie Tageye, you CANNOT DECIDE TO SELECT GOVERNANCE OF PAST POPES, you heretic. The Vatican council commanded this reality and Pope Pius XII affirmed this reality in, “Ad Apostolorum Principis”, you ignorant jingoistic fool, and this has been demonstrated for you before.
Couple this reality with the reality as it is that there are no true Shepherds as Bishops visible in this world, as there cannot be without a true Pope, with the loss of Apostolic Succession. You CANNOT DISOBEY THE POPE, you non-Catholic fool, and get to the Beatific Vision. When you do this, the cosmos is shaken, as the Heavens are shaken, you heretical fool. There is no objective proof that there was even one Bishop who did not apostasize in October of 1958. No objective proof of one, not one AT ALL. If you believe there was, prove it for all eyes to see. Anyone who assented to Roncalli as Pope, apostasized from the Catholic Church in the very instant of that act, as Roncalli’s Church IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH established by the Incarnate Son of God in Apostolic Succession, because Roncalli was NEVER A BISHOP IN TRUTH and as thus he was NEVER IN APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION, you belligerent, pseudo-intellectual, bombastic moron. Roncalli could not both be in Apostolic Succession and not be in Apostolic Succession, you foolish woman. If you deny this, you deny, “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio”, and in that denial, you deny the entire Catholic Faith, as per, “Satis Cognitum”. Amen. Alleluia. “You are either with Me or you are against Me”, commands the Incarnate Son of God. Since Roncalli’s Church IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, how can the men who purport to be, “Catholic Bishops”, today, while they succeed in the line of non-Catholic bishops who come from the church of Antichrist as established by Roncalli, actually as literally BE WHO THEY CLAIM TO BE, “Catholic Bishops”, you imbecile??? You cannot both be Catholic and not be Catholic at the same time, under the respect of what it actually is in reality to be Catholic, you miscreant, imbecilic fool. You Marie Tageye, as all those who purport, that the church which gives us the vatican 2 council, is actually the Catholic Church established by the Incarnate Son of God, are on your sure as certain paths to an eternity in Hell with your Prince who deceives you, as you each, every one of you receives, “the operation of error to believe lying”, as the Apostle warned of this time of Antichrist. Amen. This is the Catholic Truth. You are to be KNOWN by your fruits, as commanded by the Son of God. Amen. Alleluia. These things do speak, as res ipsa loquitur, as divine prophesy HAS BEEN REVEALED. Amen. I pray that you submit to the divine, living, perpetual, Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, which is Almighty God in the Person of Jesus the Christ and through His Holy Ghost, teaching and governing His small flock still in this world. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
You poor, poor, heretical fool, VeniSSancto,
You know not what you write, as you affront the living, divine, perpetual, holy Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, writ large. Amen. The Magisterium speaks to those who actually hold the Catholic Faith, as a child. Amen. Alleluia. You write platitudes about that which you hold no fundamental understanding of, again, as you affront, “Satis Cognitum”, “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio”, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis”, “Ad Apostolorum Principis”, and the singular as only Vatican Council. Amen. You can prove PRECIOUS NOTHING of the gibberish in pious sounding platitudes which you stroke from your keyboard, you pious sounding heathen as heretic. Amen. You literally as actually AFFRONT the inerrant teaching of the Early Church Fathers as in unanimity, where they taught deFide thus, that the, “HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS WILL BE GONE FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH, and this will be THE TIME OF ANTICHRIST, you non-Catholic fool. Who in Lucifer’s Hell do you think that you are? So called VeniSSancto deems that what Jesus the Christ, the Incarnate Son of God meant when He commanded that He would be with us unto the End of Time, means in His Holy Eucharistic presence, when as you claim this, you pseudo-intellectual, non-Catholic imbecilic fool, you deny the deFide teaching of the Early Church Fathers, and as thus you DENY THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC FAITH. You are an heretic and a heathen. You simply do not know that you are and yet you as are we all, are perfectly culpable, as you deny the reception of God’s grace and this thing itself speaks, as res ipsa loquitur, as the God Man commanded: “You will KNOW them by their fruits”. Save your soul, you pious sounding effeminized wretch. Submit to the Reality as it is, the true presence of Jesus the Christ yet in this world and unto the Last Day—-His holy, LIVING, divine, PERPETUAL as unending and unchanging, Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. From this holiest of places, He Teaches and Governs His tiny flock yet present in the scorched and barren world, now forever absent Apostolic Succession and His human representative on this earth. Amen. Alleluia. I pray that you do, VeniSSancto. In caritas.
In Caritas:
I am not about entering into a debate with the likes of you, for your pseudonym is the best description that you gave to yourself, describing the tormented internal contradiction in your wretched soul. You claim to be doing what you do “in Caritas”, whereas everyone who reads you on this page, immediately recognizes the exact opposite of what you claim to be. Anyone whom you perceive as presenting a view which does not agree with your perception of the truth as YOU SEE IT, is automatically a heretic on his/her way to hell.
In [contra]-Caritas, understand once and for all that you and no one else including this miserable sinner, has the power to “loose and bind” here on earth or in heaven. This power was given to Blessed Peter and his successors. You and I and others agree that at this time our eyes were opened to see the elephant in the room, and acknowledge in humility that the sheep (and that includes your wretched puffed up soul, fully protestantized) are scattered and most of us including even the elect will be deceived! Don’t think for a moment that your intellectual pride is going to get you to Heaven, for your faith may move mountains, but if you don’t have love (true caritas) you are NOTHING.
VeniSSancto,
Try to deal with what IC actually had to say, rather than the ad hominem. Looks weak if you can’t back up your charge with anything substantial.
Show us how and where he is is “Protestant” and “puffed up”, not just a “I won’t enter a debate with the likes of you”. This is the place to debate, that’s what seeking the truth is all about.
If his “perception of the truth” is wrong, then show us where?