In my last post, I provided Fr. Thomas Rosica’s interview of the notorious heretic Gregory Baum to give readers a snapshot of former’s heterodox leanings.
Who is Gregory Baum?
He is an ex-priest married to a former nun; a man who has long been a vocal supporter of gay marriage, contraception, fornication, and Communion for the divorced and civilly remarried.
He is also, to some extent, prescient.
In 1967, Baum predicted what the post-conciliar Church would look like once the reforms of Vatican II, of which he was a peritus, took effect; a vision that he labored to bring to fruition:
Bishops and popes will not be dressed as feudal lords. They will simply be brothers who have something to say. They will have authority because they express what their brethren really believe . . . In the future Christians will not look down on their fellow citizens who differ from them nor will they regard it as their duty to convert them. (The Telegram, Toronto, July 1, 1967)
For those who haven’t had an opportunity to see the video of Fr. Rosica’s interview of Baum, the current English language Vatican spokesman fawned over his heretical guest, saying:
I’ve certainly admired very much your theology, your writings but also your love of the Church, your love of Christ, and you helped to keep alive not only the spirit of the Second Vatican council, but also the authentic teaching of the Council … you remain a faithful, deeply devoted Catholic, love Jesus, the Church, the Eucharist … Gregory, I want to thank you, You have been for me and continue to be a real model of hope – Gaudium et Spes – joy and hope.
This is who Fr. Thomas Rosica is.
As such, it may come as a surprise to see another interview (below) that he conducted less than five months earlier with one Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X.
In this interview, Fr. Rosica is entirely gracious, giving Bishop Fellay ample opportunity to express the Society’s point of view; ultimately telling the bishop, “I promise you our prayers, our support. Oremus pro invicem.”
So, what gives?
This, my friends, is a glowing example of what one might call the “Benedict Effect,” a phenomenon that managed to keep the anti-traditional sentiments of certain of the more ambitious clerics in check; even to the point where they would publicly exhibit tacit support for things that run counter to their own orientation.
With this in mind, the “Francis Effect,” such as we are witnessing it today, isn’t so much one in which otherwise faithful clerics are going-along-to-get-along (a truly faithful man would never do such a thing); rather, it is more a matter of the wolves shedding the lambskin costumes behind which they were hiding during the reign of Pope Benedict.
This explains how Conclave 2013, the preponderance of which was comprised of men who were given the red hat by Benedict himself, could so swiftly elect the likes of Jorge Bergoglio.
These observations aptly serve to underscore the undeniable power of the papacy and the plain fact that the ethos of the currently reigning Roman Pontiff at any given time is precisely the driving force behind the direction in which the Church will go.
As such, one can easily discern the sheer foolishness of those who at once refuse to address Pope Francis’ near daily assault on the sacred deposit of Christian doctrine and those who profess it, and yet imagine themselves to be model defenders of Holy Mother Church.
I ‘m amused that the episode with +Fellay doesn’t begin with any music or fanfare. It’s a cold open (in every sense of the term). Reminds me of the “very special episodes” of all the shows I grew up watching on network television.
Being persecution-seasoned and having seen God’s sheep being damaged by thug-wolves for so long, we’re somewhat relieved right now, to see the old “cammo” being forsaken, and the fangs and claws coming out -in public. It’s not quite “Bring it on” or “show us what you got” , but we do know God is for us.
These attacks are obviously a direct result of Jorge Bergoglio having gotten where he is- as the poster-child of the “progressive last stand”. But since they all have Our Lord confused with the sissified image of Him that Satan helped them dream up years ago, they’re not expecting the one “hell” of a rude awakening that’s coming when He steps in to put an end to all this, as He’s going to do, when the time is right.
It’s not like He hasn’t warned everyone, calling “those who keep His commandments and all that the Father revealed that He made known” to us- “My friends”. (John 15) Explaining that we’ve been “chosen” and “appointed to bear fruit that lasts” reminding us we’ll be persecuted as He was, because they don’t know Him who sent Him; and that since He has come, and done the works He did, “there is no excuse for their sin.” They will hate us because they hated Him. And they hated Him, “without cause.”
And He did warn: “If any one abide NOT in Me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth.”
It’s getting easier every day to envision Chapter 19 of the Apocalypse being fulfilled–with Our Lord- coming charging in on a white horse as the “Faithful and True” “Word of God” “King of King and Lord of Lords” ; fighting with just judgment–His eyes as a flame of fire, and on his head many diadems, and clothed with a garment sprinkled with blood.” –We can picture the armies of Saints we’ve been calling on through Our Lady of the Rosary for so many years -following Him, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.  And out of His mouth proceeding a sharp two edged sword; that with it he may strike the nations, and rule them with a rod of iron; as He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God the Almighty.”
We go to the bottom- line in all this, though, and are forced to face the fact that what they’re doing and saying, they are more likely than we are right now, to end up in hell for all eternity. For the sake of those they harm, we need to keep proclaiming the Truth to all who will listen, no matter what it costs us. But in true charity, your recent reminders are also right on target, Louie: prayer and fasting are now more necessary than ever-including for those who persecute us.
“They will have authority because they express what their brethren really believe.” What a backwards typically modernist lie on authority. If a bunch of people really believe the moon is made of cheese and I say back to them, ‘hear ye, the moon is really made of cheese!’ then, by the law-of-baum, I have authority…to what, keep telling a lie?
Interlopers, liars, imposters who wanted to make the Church into the World, who wanted to make the priest into a layman, and the True Successors of St Peter, the Vicars of Christ, the Sovereign Head of the Holy Roman Catholic Church into and anachronism; and their imposition on that office, one of the blokes of the world. They did not and cannot succeed with regards to the True Church; but their church of darkness has transformed into their wishes like magic.
1 John.2 Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, is the concupiscence of the flesh, and the concupiscence of the eyes, and the pride of life, which is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the concupiscence thereof: but he that doth the will of God, abideth for ever. Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us.”
Those who had their affiliation in the True Church but did not keep it are ‘not of us’, says St John.
PS. Pope Pius XII confirmed that conversion is necessary and the teaching of the whole faith to those outside the Church is necessary (remember Bergoglio’s ‘don’t let doctrines get in the way’ doctrine, as well as his, ‘don’t make converts’ doctrine? Even Ratzinger during the VII process said that conversion was no necessary, simply a ‘matter of conscience’)
“Even on the plea of promoting unity it is not allowed to dissemble one single dogma; for, as the Patriarch of Alexandria warns us, ‘although the desire of peace is a noble and excellent thing, yet we must not for its sake neglect the virtue of loyalty in Christ.’ Consequently, the much desired return of erring sons to true and genuine unity in Christ will not be furthered by exclusive concentration on those doctrines which all, or most, communities glorying in the Christian name accept in common. The only successful method will be that which bases harmony and agreement among Christ’s faithful ones upon all the truths, and the whole of the truths, which God has revealed.” Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Orientalis Ecclesiae
“Therefore the whole and entire Catholic doctrine is to be presented and explained: by no means is it permitted to pass over in silence or to veil in ambiguous terms the Catholic truth regarding the nature and way of justification, the constitution of the Church, the primacy of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, and the only true union by the return of the dissidents to the one true Church of Christ.” Holy Office of Pope Pius XII, “On the Ecumenical Movement”
“Every familiarity should be avoided, not only with those impious libertines who openly promote the character of the sect [Freemasons], but also with those who hide under the mask of universal tolerance, respect for all religions, and the craving to reconcile the maxims of the Gospel with those of the revolution. These men seek to reconcile Christ and Belial, the Church of God and the state without God.” Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Custodi di Quella Fede
“[According to the doctrine of the Modernists (VII, Novus Ordo)] it is necessary that the primitive [religious] formulas be accepted and sanctioned by the heart; and similarly the subsequent work from which are brought forth the secondary formulas must proceed under the guidance of the heart. Hence it comes that these formulas, in order to be living, should be, and should remain, adapted to the faith and to him who believes. Wherefore, if for any reason this adaptation should cease to exist, they lose their first meaning and accordingly need to be changed. In view of the fact that the character and lot of dogmatic formulas are so unstable, it is no wonder that Modernists should regard them so lightly and in such open disrespect, and have no consideration or praise for anything but the religious sense and for the religious life. In this way, with consummate audacity, they criticize the Church, as having strayed from the true path by failing to distinguish between the religious and moral sense of formulas and their surface meaning, and by clinging vainly and tenaciously to meaningless formulas, while religion itself is allowed to go to ruin.” Pope St. Pius X, Encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis (a direct refutation of the lie of discontinuity between the Church of the Apostolic Fathers and the Catholic Church pre-Vatican II).
for more and more of the True Voice of Christ from which Baum Inc. have split, see here: http://www.novusordowatch.org/quotes.htm
What a great interview.
I agree with the Benedict Effect. The neocons are all back to avoiding tradition. With Francis’ comment that traditional priests should not have been ordained and seminarians should be removed, many are running in fear. This will separate the men from the boys. If the bishops get rid of traditional seminarians, there will not be many left. I would say, we are in the 70’s again and have to get over this speed bump. Once we cross that bump, the 70’s will be gone forever.
Although these times are difficult, they are good. All of the puss is coming out the the wound and it will no longer be able to hide. The next pontificate will wash the wound with alcohol and the infection will die.