This statement from Bishop Gracida in an interview w/Okietraditionalist: “Even though Francis has made heretical statements, he has cleverly also made orthodox statements on the same subject thereby making it virtually impossible to define him as a heretic.” Dear Our Lady of Fatima, our Bishop’s have all lost their minds, is there an option B? Please, please hear us. Amen.
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
IMHO ,
After reviewing a prodigious amount of case records regarding
pederast clerics , that there is two paramount factors that moves the Vatican to act or not .
# 1 scandal, which could cost adherents and revenues.
#2 loss of priests to man the churches to collect the revenues.
Therefore, I am inclined to surmise that if the entire Third Secret were to be revealed and acted upon per request of Our Holy Mother , for some reason it is looked upon as a threat to revenue for Vatican Inc.
Have all our Bishops lost their minds?
Spiritually ,yes. Financially, no.
Furthermore, Vatican Two ,while covertly undermining the Faith, was seen as a dumbing down of the priesthood to churn out more clerics and the NO Mass was sold as a fast food meal , all to keep bringing in the revenues.
It is tragic that they worship mammon and not Our Jesus Christ who lives among them.
How else can you explain the inaction regarding the wishes and full secret of Fatima ?
How else can we explain the push for the New Evangelization ?
How else can we explain the continual cover ups and transfers of known pederasts?
How else can we explain the continuing welcoming of sodomites into the seminaries?
mary_podlesakMay 7, 2018
Every time I see the story of Fatima I think of my parents. They went to Portugal twice in the 1980’s and bought a very large statue of Our Lady of Fatima. that my mother put in the Dining room My mother was murdered in that house, in her bedroom. She was murdered directly above her prayers and picture of “Divine Mercy” that she was devoted to, in the living room. I began to have misgivings about the Divine Mercy devotion only in the last 5-6 years, since I began researching the deaths of Pope Pius X and Fr. Wernz in 1914 and realized the implications of those deaths down through the years of the 20th century. After her murder, I put a candle in front of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima and pray a rosary in front of it as often as I am able. I threw away the Divine Mercy prayers etc. and took down the picture of JPII. RIP
So sorry for your loss Mary. I too have a large statue of OL of Fatima given to me by a priest. Will remember your mother in my daily rosary.
FromPolandMay 7, 2018
@sweepoutthefilth
I have send you comment to a friend of mine (Catholic, a soldier of Christ), who has been involved with fighting the good fight for the last 50 years. Known to those who sincerely love His Truth, and His Church (above all known to God by name….).
Here’s his response regarding Jason Berry:
“Written by a flaming well-known liberal Zionist, praised by the notoriously dishonest liberal Zionist newspaper, the NYT, how could anything in this book possibly be considered anything other than rabidly anti-Catholic lies and propaganda???”
Our Lady of Fatima warned us, about the ‘diabolical disorientation’……amongst Catholics, above all!
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
Tell your friend to cool his anti “Zionist” jets.Frankly it is the same slap as being called anti Semite by the other side.
Some people who write the truth are neither , and trace the nazi rat line and you will see there were prelates in the Vatican who were sympathetic and helped the nazis.
Neither Berry or Renner are/were Zionists either .
“Nazi ratlines……. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/nazi-war-criminal-reportedly-died-in-a-syrian-dungeon-1.2934705
“After the second World War, Brunner was assisted by one of the “ratlines,” escape routes for Nazis set up with the acquiescence of the Vatican and US intelligence. Other beneficiaries included Eichmann, Klaus Barbie, Josef Mengele and Andrija Artukovic, the Croatian war criminal who stayed with his family in Ireland on his way to the US. (The great Irish essayist Hubert Butler recounted Artukovic’s story in Balkan Essays, published by Irish Pages Press.)”
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
I also found this of interest since prior to his death, while in the hospital the first time, Malachi Martin told our mutual Irish friend Joe Gannon, that the Feds had been into see him asking if he knew why Cardinal Bea traveled under false documents. Cardinal Bea you might recall was a key player in Vat 2 with his friendship towards the B’nai Brith of NYC. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/nazis-escaped-on-red-cross-documents
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
I stand by my thesis as to the root of the secrecy behind Fatima and will add that Escriva’s visit to Lucia in Tuy after she penned the Third Secret and prior to entering the Coimbre Carmelite convent after 23 years as a Dorothean had much to do with the opaqueness regarding the secret. Escriva’s comments after he returned to his OD House in Spain after the visit remembered by Carmen del Tapia his secretary,
bespeak of his little esteem for the nun . Yet in his own book he praises her and incredibly credits her with his ability to open an OD House in Coimbre alleginfg she handled all the necessary government documents.
Hasn’t anyone here wondered why it is Opus Dei is primarily interested in banking and bankers? Hasn’t anyone wondered why the infamous P2 Cardinal Poletti
( friend of mafia bosses and Escriva) obtained St Appolinaire Basilica in Rome for Escriva and opened the Cause for his canonization? https://www.henrymakow.com/opus_dei.html
FromPolandMay 7, 2018
@sweepoutthefilth,
I have been reading your comments for a while. You’re such a ‘buzzy bee.’ You keep record of everybody, and everything. It happens more often then we think, that by some crack, the smoke of Satan can poison a good Catholic heart.
God punishes ‘Chosen in Christ,’ as He did, the once ‘chosen people’ of the Old Testament…….with perpetual blindness (a generation of stiff-neck, hardened hearts). Only His grace can convert such ‘pride!’
My sincere advice to you is……go into a desert, quit internet, meditate on the last four things ‘death,’ ‘judgment,’ ‘heaven,’ and ‘hell.’
Ps. Anti-Semitism is 99% a fraud, whereas so-called anti-Zionism or anti-Israelism is 1000% valid……go figure.
God love you……..
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
Dear From Poland,
Been in this fight longer than most knew there was something wrong. There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see. Check out my source links and read.
Do you even know what Zionism is? Have you even read the Talmud Unmasked, the Protocols of Zion or the War Against the Church?
God has Blessed me abundantly and I appreciate his great goodness……
Back to my thesis ……….
Who rolled out the Third Secret in 2000 ? Cdl Bertone under the direction of Opus Dei’s Cardinal Sodano. If anyone here believes it was Pope JP 2 , then you had better explain how heaven got it wrong and did not know he wouldn’t die in 1917 !
Maybe this is why “From Poland” has a problem . Poland’s national papal saint was working with Walesa who was a proven informant for the KGB . Now Poland has banned his name in the “Book of Remembrances” for those who fought against Communism.
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
Instead of attacking me, who is trying to stay on the topic of Fatima which I love, prove my thesis on Fatima is wrong !
I am old enough to remember all of the Catholic world abuzz ( yes I am buzzy and I sting like a bee), in 1960 as we awaited the promised announcement from Pope John the XX111 , of the Third Secret.
We were all told it was promised to be revealed. The excitement was so great our Parochial School Principal announced the News on the school Intercom.
ockMay 7, 2018
Sorry for going off topic. but I have a question thats been nagging me ? Did God foresee the sin of Adam and Eve resulting in His passion and death ?
FromPolandMay 7, 2018
How ‘pride’ is scrambling……
I love my country Poland, but I am Catholic first. Neither, am I blind to how the holy Mother Church, has been ravaged by the Modernists, Liberals, Freemasons, Homosexuals, and the Jews…..the worst enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church.
I have been blessed, with the gift of ‘discernment.’ I am a simple person, with simple faith….
John Paul II (RIP), is not a ‘saint’ that I pray to…….but, for whom I pray.
Saint Augustine used to pray…..’Lord may I know Thee, may I know myself.’ Something to ponder about…….
FromPolandMay 7, 2018
Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich describes in the chapter of ‘Jesus on the Mount of Olives:’
“The Father of lies and despair never exhibits to men the works of divine mercy. But when Jesus, with heartfelt abandonment to the will of His heavenly Father, had victoriously resisted these assaults, a succession of new and terrifying visions passed before His soul. He experienced that uneasiness felt by every human heart on the point of making some great sacrifice. The questioning doubt: What advantage, what return shall I reap from this sacrifice? arose in the soul of the Lord, and the sight of the awful future overwhelmed His loving heart.
Upon the first man God sent a deep sleep, opened his side, took out one of his ribs, formed from it Eve, the first woman, the mother of all the living, and conducted her to Adam. Receiving her from God, Adam exclaimed: “This now is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. The man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall be two in one flesh.” This is the marriage of which it is written: “This is a great sacrament, I speak in Christ and in the Church.” Christ, the new Adam, was pleased to permit a sleep, the sleep of death, to come upon him on the cross. He permitted, likewise, his side to be opened that the new Eve, his virginal Bride, the Church the Mother of all the living, might be formed from it. He willed to give her the blood of Redemption, the water of purification, and His own Spirit, the three that render testimony upon earth…..
He willed to be her head and we the members, bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. In taking human nature and willing to suffer death for us, He too left Father and Mother to cleave to His Bride, the Church. He has become one flesh with her, nourishing her with the most holy Sacrament of the Altar, in which He unceasingly espouses us. He will to remain on earth with His Bride, the Church, until we shall all in her be united to Him in heaven. He has said: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against her.”
Now, however, He beheld the sufferings, temptations, and wounds of the future Church, His Bride, which He had purchased at so dear a price, that of His own blood, and He saw the ingratitude of man……He saw heresies and schisms entering her fold, and the sin of Adam repeated by pride and disobedience in all forms of vanity and delusive self-righteousness. The tepidity, the malice, the wickedness of innumerable Christians; the manifold lies, the deceptive subtlety of all proud teachers; the sacrilegious crimes of all wicked priests with their frightful consequences, the abomination of desolation in the kingdom of God upon earth, in the sanctuary of the thankless human race whom, amid inexpressible sufferings, He was about to redeem with His blood and His life…….The scandals of the ages down to our own day and even to the end of the world……..”
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
And Bl A E also old us to pray that the Church of Darkness leaves Rome.
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
Yes , He said in Gen 3:15 that He would put enmity between Satan and the Woman and She will crush his head and he will bruise Her heel.
Our Holy Mother’s Fiat fulfilled that promise when She accepted the request of the Holy Ghost. Jesus also told His Apostles that He was to suffer and die for mankind, but they did not understand till it took place.It was prophesied in the OT and having been raised in the Temple Our Lady knew well the OT Scriptures. “When Jesus, whom John the Baptist proclaimed to be “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), was crucified, not one of his bones was broken. John 19:31-34 tells us that when the soldiers came to Jesus to break his legs to hasten his death, they found that he was already dead, so they pierced his side with a spear but did not break his legs.
As John testifies, “These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: ‘Not one of his bones will be broken’” (John 19:36). The Exodus 12:46 rule is also echoed prophetically in Psalms 34:20: “He protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.” To the last detail of his death, Jesus fulfilled the prophecies concerning the Messiah, verifying that he was, as John the Baptist claimed, the sacrificial Lamb of God.”
sweepoutthefilthMay 7, 2018
The above was in response to Ock’s question.
ockMay 7, 2018
Thanks to all for the response, but I am still perplexed that Original Sin seems to have been predestined before the foundation of the world, and the same could be said for the downfall of Lucifer ?
ockMay 7, 2018
I guess what I am trying to understand is, did God know from the very beginning. in spite of free will, that his Son would have to become man and die for us ?
my2centsMay 7, 2018
ock–I think you are confusing the word “predestined” with “omniscient”. God did not WILL the sin of Adam. However, because God is Omniscient (knowing all things), He knew that Adam would disobey which resulted in Original Sin. Yes, the downfall of Lucifer was also in the KNOWLEDGE of God, not in the WILL of God. I hope my explanation is helpful. It is my understanding and I hope I am accurate.
my2centsMay 7, 2018
ock–Yes, God did know that His Son, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, would become Man and suffer His Passion and Death for our sins. That is why Lucifer and his followers rebelled. They did not want to worship the Man God. This is a very simple explanation. I am not a learned theologian by all means. Others may explain this better, I am sure.
ockMay 7, 2018
YES !!! my2cents that works for me!!! TYVM !!!
ockMay 7, 2018
my2cents, for me the simpler the better!!! Your answer was perfect!!! Thanks again. Sometimes I over think things ???
sweepoutthefilthMay 8, 2018
Ock, God also gave us the Gift of Free Will.
Aside from that I do not think anyone truly knows they have been given any other Spiritual Gifts like the Gift of Discernment , mentioned a few posts above. Some Saints of course had special gifts, but I never recall them mentioning they have them themselves. That would indicate an obvious sin of Pride.
sweepoutthefilthMay 8, 2018
Given what Randy Engel has written in her well researched ‘Opus Dei Watch’ articles, am I the only one who finds this odd?
“The prioress of the convent of Discalced Carmelites of Coimbra writes the following: “As cooperators of Opus Dei for several decades, we would like to express to your Excellency our joy at the coming canonization of Blessed Josemaria.” And she adds, “This joy is shared by Sister Lucia, who repeats what she already said on the occasion of the beatification of the Servant of God.” Sister Lucia, who saw our Lady at Fatima, met the founder of Opus Dei and affectionately “pushed” him to begin apostolic work in Portugal. ” http://opusdei.org/en-in/article/religious-communities-share-joy-in-canonization-announcement/
A Simple BeggarMay 8, 2018
Yes, the very church of darkness that most here like to equate with the actual Catholic Church, which IS eclipsed and in the tomb just as was foretold.
On Dec 26, 1957, Sr. Lucia warned that the chastisement was “imminent”, 10 months prior to the very DAY that John XXIII was “elevated” to the “Papacy”. Just 3 months later in January he announced the new “Council”. The year 1959 was exactly 75 years after the vision of Pope Leo XIII, where Satan asked for 75-100 years to “destroy” the Church.
The “Thing” (and its prelates) that everyone is discussing around here isn’t even the Catholic Church. The CHASTISEMENT Sr. Lucia spoke of so urgently in the last days of 1957 was THE imminent REVOLT of Vatican II (2 Thess ch.2) , the great apostasy and the loss of Faith, and the extreme persecution of the true Church and faithful and the Papacy itself. The very setting up of the ANTI-Church. And everyone wonders over and over why the “bishops” and “cardinals” don’t DO anything?? Why all the filth and scandals? For one they’re not even Catholic! Now that would explain it, wouldn’t it?
The resulting Truth and absolute HORROR of this matter – alluded to by Sr. Lucia – is something that hardly anyone here finds “convenient” or “comfortable” enough to even consider, as if being a Christian is supposed to be comfortable or even convenient in the first place.
Here is what Marie-Julie Jahenny saw, an approved and major French stigmatist and mystic who died in 1941:
“Marie-Julie saw that ‘there WILL NOT remain ANY VESTIGE of the Holy Sacrifice, no apparent TRACE of faith, CONFUSION will be everywhere…’ [note: just like this very combox.]
‘ALL the WORKS approved by THE INFALLIBLE Church WILL CEASE to exist as they are today FOR A TIME. In this sorrowful annihilation, brilliant signs will be manifested on earth. If because of the wickedness of men Holy Church will be in darkness, the Lord will also send darkness that will stop the wicked in their search of wickedness…’”
None of this (except the coming darkness) is in the future. We HAVE been living it for years and it is NOW. Pray and ask for the Light of Faith and to see the Truth of these critical matters of salvation, or, carry on defending whatever “operation of error” it is that you choose in your will to believe because the Truth is painful, is too hard, or will cost you just a little bit too much.
Tom AMay 8, 2018
Ock, the answer is yes.
my2centsMay 8, 2018
ock–I’m very pleased that my responses have been helpful. No one could truly understand the Mind of God no matter how wise or learned. I don’t know what TYVM means. I’m sure it is a texting phrase. (I don’t text). Now you can help me! God bless you.
my2centsMay 8, 2018
Can anything coming from the N.O. fake church be believed? Satan is the Father of Lies. Satan is in control in the N.O. establishment. Once you understand that, it all makes sense. God help us!
sweepoutthefilthMay 8, 2018
Simple Beggar,
Fr Ripperger on Sensus Traditionis wondered aloud why Marie Julie’s prophecies were not looked at more closely by the Vatican. You and I know the answer.
i have a booklet someone gave me about JaHenney back in the eighties. There is a picture in which she is kissing broken tip of the real Spear that pierced the side of Our Lord , with the Marquis de LaFranquerie and his wife.
In the early nineties I was at a private dinner given for Prince Henri de Bourbon Parma and I asked him specifically about the relic and Marie Julie. He told me the relic is now in the possession of the Marquis’ niece.
I crossed referenced it with the story in the book “Relics”
by Carol Cruz and it appears to be authentic.
Marie Julie’s predictions are truly quite amazing regarding the New Order of the Mass.
MelanieMay 8, 2018
Simple Beggar, What do you make of Fatima? Why did Our Lady tell the Bishops to consecrate Russia and say that it would be done but late? Why didn’t she just say, soon they will hold a council that will wreck the Church and take away every Catholic Bishop and you will say the Rosary and do penance until my Son comes again and don’t take the mark of the beast which is a …? I don’t understand how Fatima fits in here with or without a missing piece. I mean was the missing piece, “Nevermind all that because the Bishops will fail.”
my2centsMay 8, 2018
Dear sweep–I, too, remember sitting at my desk in a preV2 Catholic school when the nuns (the REAL nuns!) were so excitedly awaiting the revelation of the Secrets of Fatima. I also remember the total frustration and letdown when J22 decided it was “not for our time”. I guess Our Lady does make mistakes—right?? These poor nuns had no way of knowing that the Catholic Church they happily surrendered their lives to was about to fall apart taking their vocations with them. What a terrible loss. Their convent was taken over by a utility company and is now a high rental apartment residence. It’s sick!!
sweepoutthefilthMay 8, 2018
This happened to so many nuns 2 cents……….in the end they became frustrated to find out they had nothing for all their years of service to the church. In he early 2000’s reps for the Orders traveled around asking for donations to help for the long term care for the elderly nuns. No social security and the Church telling them they did not have money to give them to sustain the older nuns…..so we heard it in all the parishes from the pulpits to please give for the elderly Sisters. Then it hit me why so many went nutso into yoga and enneagram retreats……….the Hierarchy treated them like second class religious and not the self sacrificing women they had been.
mary_podlesakMay 8, 2018
My computer is now officially in the shop but I tried to respond to another of your posts regarding Opus Dei, yesterday, unsuccessfully. In any case, I wholeheartedly agree with you that something stinks really bad in the Opus Dei Lucia relationship. I agree with Tradition in action regarding LUCIA. I believe she was murdered or died and was replaced by a double.
A Simple BeggarMay 8, 2018
Good evening Sweep and Melanie :).
Sweep: I have long believed that the Vatican has suppressed and swept Jahenny under the rug because it exposes the entire FRAUD to the light. Now that’s not to say that many would wake up if they were aware of these messages and prophecies, because I’ve known about them for a long time and just read the future into it, not the present, and that’s what’s happened with the Fatima prophecies as well. Once your eyes are opened, you can see the prophecies and the present situation in an entirely new light and you just go Ahhhhhhh!!! I get it now!!!
Melanie: I have thought about the consecration a bit and where I’m leaving that is in the category of a mystery, as Tom A would say. My position being what it is – as described by Marie-Julie above – with no Pope and no valid hierarchy that we KNOW OF and therefore no valid (public) Holy Sacrifice, I am leaning toward the possibility that it may either take place at or after the miraculous resurrection of the true Church from the tomb after which Russia will be converted and return to the Church (as in late). But again, some things we simply don’t have to understand especially if it’s not a matter of Faith or morals.
mary_podlesakMay 9, 2018
dittos
my2centsMay 9, 2018
TYVM=Thank you very much (I looked it up in Google)==
YVW=You’re very welcome (I made that up)
sweepoutthefilthMay 9, 2018
I hope you come back and see this Mary. Anne Cillis was a friend of Randys and she was a true spiritual daughter of Padre Pio. If you go onto TIA you will see a note she wrote in about the Two Lucy controversy. She said she knew of lucia’s Physician who was concerned when he was told his services would no longer be needed . Lucia had been very ill and they were concerned she would pass which is why she was ordered to put the Third Secret to paper.
MelanieMay 10, 2018
This Fr. O’Conner says that the consecration was already made and that it was late and that’s why we had WWII and that we are currently enjoying our time of peace. This is what I had always believed though I do agree pictures of older Sr. Lucia look like a different person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfQL8xlSZNI
This statement from Bishop Gracida in an interview w/Okietraditionalist: “Even though Francis has made heretical statements, he has cleverly also made orthodox statements on the same subject thereby making it virtually impossible to define him as a heretic.” Dear Our Lady of Fatima, our Bishop’s have all lost their minds, is there an option B? Please, please hear us. Amen.
IMHO ,
After reviewing a prodigious amount of case records regarding
pederast clerics , that there is two paramount factors that moves the Vatican to act or not .
# 1 scandal, which could cost adherents and revenues.
#2 loss of priests to man the churches to collect the revenues.
Therefore, I am inclined to surmise that if the entire Third Secret were to be revealed and acted upon per request of Our Holy Mother , for some reason it is looked upon as a threat to revenue for Vatican Inc.
Have all our Bishops lost their minds?
Spiritually ,yes. Financially, no.
Furthermore, Vatican Two ,while covertly undermining the Faith, was seen as a dumbing down of the priesthood to churn out more clerics and the NO Mass was sold as a fast food meal , all to keep bringing in the revenues.
It is tragic that they worship mammon and not Our Jesus Christ who lives among them.
How else can you explain the inaction regarding the wishes and full secret of Fatima ?
How else can we explain the push for the New Evangelization ?
How else can we explain the continual cover ups and transfers of known pederasts?
How else can we explain the continuing welcoming of sodomites into the seminaries?
Every time I see the story of Fatima I think of my parents. They went to Portugal twice in the 1980’s and bought a very large statue of Our Lady of Fatima. that my mother put in the Dining room My mother was murdered in that house, in her bedroom. She was murdered directly above her prayers and picture of “Divine Mercy” that she was devoted to, in the living room. I began to have misgivings about the Divine Mercy devotion only in the last 5-6 years, since I began researching the deaths of Pope Pius X and Fr. Wernz in 1914 and realized the implications of those deaths down through the years of the 20th century. After her murder, I put a candle in front of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima and pray a rosary in front of it as often as I am able. I threw away the Divine Mercy prayers etc. and took down the picture of JPII. RIP
http://www.businessinsider.com/gods-bankers-financial-scandals-at-the-vatican-2015-2
Worth the read along with Jason Berry’s,” Render unto Rome”. Both Jason Berry and Gerald Renner (RIP) made an invaluable contribution in exposing the real life of Maciel and his Legion of Christ for Catholic families.
http://www.jasonberryauthor.com/
So sorry for your loss Mary. I too have a large statue of OL of Fatima given to me by a priest. Will remember your mother in my daily rosary.
@sweepoutthefilth
I have send you comment to a friend of mine (Catholic, a soldier of Christ), who has been involved with fighting the good fight for the last 50 years. Known to those who sincerely love His Truth, and His Church (above all known to God by name….).
Here’s his response regarding Jason Berry:
“Written by a flaming well-known liberal Zionist, praised by the notoriously dishonest liberal Zionist newspaper, the NYT, how could anything in this book possibly be considered anything other than rabidly anti-Catholic lies and propaganda???”
Our Lady of Fatima warned us, about the ‘diabolical disorientation’……amongst Catholics, above all!
Tell your friend to cool his anti “Zionist” jets.Frankly it is the same slap as being called anti Semite by the other side.
Some people who write the truth are neither , and trace the nazi rat line and you will see there were prelates in the Vatican who were sympathetic and helped the nazis.
Neither Berry or Renner are/were Zionists either .
“Nazi ratlines…….
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/nazi-war-criminal-reportedly-died-in-a-syrian-dungeon-1.2934705
“After the second World War, Brunner was assisted by one of the “ratlines,” escape routes for Nazis set up with the acquiescence of the Vatican and US intelligence. Other beneficiaries included Eichmann, Klaus Barbie, Josef Mengele and Andrija Artukovic, the Croatian war criminal who stayed with his family in Ireland on his way to the US. (The great Irish essayist Hubert Butler recounted Artukovic’s story in Balkan Essays, published by Irish Pages Press.)”
I also found this of interest since prior to his death, while in the hospital the first time, Malachi Martin told our mutual Irish friend Joe Gannon, that the Feds had been into see him asking if he knew why Cardinal Bea traveled under false documents. Cardinal Bea you might recall was a key player in Vat 2 with his friendship towards the B’nai Brith of NYC.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/25/nazis-escaped-on-red-cross-documents
I stand by my thesis as to the root of the secrecy behind Fatima and will add that Escriva’s visit to Lucia in Tuy after she penned the Third Secret and prior to entering the Coimbre Carmelite convent after 23 years as a Dorothean had much to do with the opaqueness regarding the secret. Escriva’s comments after he returned to his OD House in Spain after the visit remembered by Carmen del Tapia his secretary,
bespeak of his little esteem for the nun . Yet in his own book he praises her and incredibly credits her with his ability to open an OD House in Coimbre alleginfg she handled all the necessary government documents.
Hasn’t anyone here wondered why it is Opus Dei is primarily interested in banking and bankers? Hasn’t anyone wondered why the infamous P2 Cardinal Poletti
( friend of mafia bosses and Escriva) obtained St Appolinaire Basilica in Rome for Escriva and opened the Cause for his canonization?
https://www.henrymakow.com/opus_dei.html
@sweepoutthefilth,
I have been reading your comments for a while. You’re such a ‘buzzy bee.’ You keep record of everybody, and everything. It happens more often then we think, that by some crack, the smoke of Satan can poison a good Catholic heart.
God punishes ‘Chosen in Christ,’ as He did, the once ‘chosen people’ of the Old Testament…….with perpetual blindness (a generation of stiff-neck, hardened hearts). Only His grace can convert such ‘pride!’
My sincere advice to you is……go into a desert, quit internet, meditate on the last four things ‘death,’ ‘judgment,’ ‘heaven,’ and ‘hell.’
Ps. Anti-Semitism is 99% a fraud, whereas so-called anti-Zionism or anti-Israelism is 1000% valid……go figure.
God love you……..
Dear From Poland,
Been in this fight longer than most knew there was something wrong. There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see. Check out my source links and read.
Do you even know what Zionism is? Have you even read the Talmud Unmasked, the Protocols of Zion or the War Against the Church?
God has Blessed me abundantly and I appreciate his great goodness……
Back to my thesis ……….
Who rolled out the Third Secret in 2000 ? Cdl Bertone under the direction of Opus Dei’s Cardinal Sodano. If anyone here believes it was Pope JP 2 , then you had better explain how heaven got it wrong and did not know he wouldn’t die in 1917 !
Maybe this is why “From Poland” has a problem . Poland’s national papal saint was working with Walesa who was a proven informant for the KGB . Now Poland has banned his name in the “Book of Remembrances” for those who fought against Communism.
Instead of attacking me, who is trying to stay on the topic of Fatima which I love, prove my thesis on Fatima is wrong !
I am old enough to remember all of the Catholic world abuzz ( yes I am buzzy and I sting like a bee), in 1960 as we awaited the promised announcement from Pope John the XX111 , of the Third Secret.
We were all told it was promised to be revealed. The excitement was so great our Parochial School Principal announced the News on the school Intercom.
Sorry for going off topic. but I have a question thats been nagging me ? Did God foresee the sin of Adam and Eve resulting in His passion and death ?
How ‘pride’ is scrambling……
I love my country Poland, but I am Catholic first. Neither, am I blind to how the holy Mother Church, has been ravaged by the Modernists, Liberals, Freemasons, Homosexuals, and the Jews…..the worst enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church.
I have been blessed, with the gift of ‘discernment.’ I am a simple person, with simple faith….
John Paul II (RIP), is not a ‘saint’ that I pray to…….but, for whom I pray.
Saint Augustine used to pray…..’Lord may I know Thee, may I know myself.’ Something to ponder about…….
Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich describes in the chapter of ‘Jesus on the Mount of Olives:’
“The Father of lies and despair never exhibits to men the works of divine mercy. But when Jesus, with heartfelt abandonment to the will of His heavenly Father, had victoriously resisted these assaults, a succession of new and terrifying visions passed before His soul. He experienced that uneasiness felt by every human heart on the point of making some great sacrifice. The questioning doubt: What advantage, what return shall I reap from this sacrifice? arose in the soul of the Lord, and the sight of the awful future overwhelmed His loving heart.
Upon the first man God sent a deep sleep, opened his side, took out one of his ribs, formed from it Eve, the first woman, the mother of all the living, and conducted her to Adam. Receiving her from God, Adam exclaimed: “This now is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. The man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall be two in one flesh.” This is the marriage of which it is written: “This is a great sacrament, I speak in Christ and in the Church.” Christ, the new Adam, was pleased to permit a sleep, the sleep of death, to come upon him on the cross. He permitted, likewise, his side to be opened that the new Eve, his virginal Bride, the Church the Mother of all the living, might be formed from it. He willed to give her the blood of Redemption, the water of purification, and His own Spirit, the three that render testimony upon earth…..
He willed to be her head and we the members, bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. In taking human nature and willing to suffer death for us, He too left Father and Mother to cleave to His Bride, the Church. He has become one flesh with her, nourishing her with the most holy Sacrament of the Altar, in which He unceasingly espouses us. He will to remain on earth with His Bride, the Church, until we shall all in her be united to Him in heaven. He has said: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against her.”
Now, however, He beheld the sufferings, temptations, and wounds of the future Church, His Bride, which He had purchased at so dear a price, that of His own blood, and He saw the ingratitude of man……He saw heresies and schisms entering her fold, and the sin of Adam repeated by pride and disobedience in all forms of vanity and delusive self-righteousness. The tepidity, the malice, the wickedness of innumerable Christians; the manifold lies, the deceptive subtlety of all proud teachers; the sacrilegious crimes of all wicked priests with their frightful consequences, the abomination of desolation in the kingdom of God upon earth, in the sanctuary of the thankless human race whom, amid inexpressible sufferings, He was about to redeem with His blood and His life…….The scandals of the ages down to our own day and even to the end of the world……..”
And Bl A E also old us to pray that the Church of Darkness leaves Rome.
Yes , He said in Gen 3:15 that He would put enmity between Satan and the Woman and She will crush his head and he will bruise Her heel.
Our Holy Mother’s Fiat fulfilled that promise when She accepted the request of the Holy Ghost. Jesus also told His Apostles that He was to suffer and die for mankind, but they did not understand till it took place.It was prophesied in the OT and having been raised in the Temple Our Lady knew well the OT Scriptures. “When Jesus, whom John the Baptist proclaimed to be “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), was crucified, not one of his bones was broken. John 19:31-34 tells us that when the soldiers came to Jesus to break his legs to hasten his death, they found that he was already dead, so they pierced his side with a spear but did not break his legs.
As John testifies, “These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: ‘Not one of his bones will be broken’” (John 19:36). The Exodus 12:46 rule is also echoed prophetically in Psalms 34:20: “He protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.” To the last detail of his death, Jesus fulfilled the prophecies concerning the Messiah, verifying that he was, as John the Baptist claimed, the sacrificial Lamb of God.”
The above was in response to Ock’s question.
Thanks to all for the response, but I am still perplexed that Original Sin seems to have been predestined before the foundation of the world, and the same could be said for the downfall of Lucifer ?
I guess what I am trying to understand is, did God know from the very beginning. in spite of free will, that his Son would have to become man and die for us ?
ock–I think you are confusing the word “predestined” with “omniscient”. God did not WILL the sin of Adam. However, because God is Omniscient (knowing all things), He knew that Adam would disobey which resulted in Original Sin. Yes, the downfall of Lucifer was also in the KNOWLEDGE of God, not in the WILL of God. I hope my explanation is helpful. It is my understanding and I hope I am accurate.
ock–Yes, God did know that His Son, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, would become Man and suffer His Passion and Death for our sins. That is why Lucifer and his followers rebelled. They did not want to worship the Man God. This is a very simple explanation. I am not a learned theologian by all means. Others may explain this better, I am sure.
YES !!! my2cents that works for me!!! TYVM !!!
my2cents, for me the simpler the better!!! Your answer was perfect!!! Thanks again. Sometimes I over think things ???
Ock, God also gave us the Gift of Free Will.
Aside from that I do not think anyone truly knows they have been given any other Spiritual Gifts like the Gift of Discernment , mentioned a few posts above. Some Saints of course had special gifts, but I never recall them mentioning they have them themselves. That would indicate an obvious sin of Pride.
Given what Randy Engel has written in her well researched ‘Opus Dei Watch’ articles, am I the only one who finds this odd?
“The prioress of the convent of Discalced Carmelites of Coimbra writes the following: “As cooperators of Opus Dei for several decades, we would like to express to your Excellency our joy at the coming canonization of Blessed Josemaria.” And she adds, “This joy is shared by Sister Lucia, who repeats what she already said on the occasion of the beatification of the Servant of God.” Sister Lucia, who saw our Lady at Fatima, met the founder of Opus Dei and affectionately “pushed” him to begin apostolic work in Portugal. ”
http://opusdei.org/en-in/article/religious-communities-share-joy-in-canonization-announcement/
Yes, the very church of darkness that most here like to equate with the actual Catholic Church, which IS eclipsed and in the tomb just as was foretold.
On Dec 26, 1957, Sr. Lucia warned that the chastisement was “imminent”, 10 months prior to the very DAY that John XXIII was “elevated” to the “Papacy”. Just 3 months later in January he announced the new “Council”. The year 1959 was exactly 75 years after the vision of Pope Leo XIII, where Satan asked for 75-100 years to “destroy” the Church.
The “Thing” (and its prelates) that everyone is discussing around here isn’t even the Catholic Church. The CHASTISEMENT Sr. Lucia spoke of so urgently in the last days of 1957 was THE imminent REVOLT of Vatican II (2 Thess ch.2) , the great apostasy and the loss of Faith, and the extreme persecution of the true Church and faithful and the Papacy itself. The very setting up of the ANTI-Church. And everyone wonders over and over why the “bishops” and “cardinals” don’t DO anything?? Why all the filth and scandals? For one they’re not even Catholic! Now that would explain it, wouldn’t it?
The resulting Truth and absolute HORROR of this matter – alluded to by Sr. Lucia – is something that hardly anyone here finds “convenient” or “comfortable” enough to even consider, as if being a Christian is supposed to be comfortable or even convenient in the first place.
Here is what Marie-Julie Jahenny saw, an approved and major French stigmatist and mystic who died in 1941:
“Marie-Julie saw that ‘there WILL NOT remain ANY VESTIGE of the Holy Sacrifice, no apparent TRACE of faith, CONFUSION will be everywhere…’ [note: just like this very combox.]
‘ALL the WORKS approved by THE INFALLIBLE Church WILL CEASE to exist as they are today FOR A TIME. In this sorrowful annihilation, brilliant signs will be manifested on earth. If because of the wickedness of men Holy Church will be in darkness, the Lord will also send darkness that will stop the wicked in their search of wickedness…’”
None of this (except the coming darkness) is in the future. We HAVE been living it for years and it is NOW. Pray and ask for the Light of Faith and to see the Truth of these critical matters of salvation, or, carry on defending whatever “operation of error” it is that you choose in your will to believe because the Truth is painful, is too hard, or will cost you just a little bit too much.
Ock, the answer is yes.
ock–I’m very pleased that my responses have been helpful. No one could truly understand the Mind of God no matter how wise or learned. I don’t know what TYVM means. I’m sure it is a texting phrase. (I don’t text). Now you can help me! God bless you.
Can anything coming from the N.O. fake church be believed? Satan is the Father of Lies. Satan is in control in the N.O. establishment. Once you understand that, it all makes sense. God help us!
Simple Beggar,
Fr Ripperger on Sensus Traditionis wondered aloud why Marie Julie’s prophecies were not looked at more closely by the Vatican. You and I know the answer.
i have a booklet someone gave me about JaHenney back in the eighties. There is a picture in which she is kissing broken tip of the real Spear that pierced the side of Our Lord , with the Marquis de LaFranquerie and his wife.
In the early nineties I was at a private dinner given for Prince Henri de Bourbon Parma and I asked him specifically about the relic and Marie Julie. He told me the relic is now in the possession of the Marquis’ niece.
I crossed referenced it with the story in the book “Relics”
by Carol Cruz and it appears to be authentic.
Marie Julie’s predictions are truly quite amazing regarding the New Order of the Mass.
Simple Beggar, What do you make of Fatima? Why did Our Lady tell the Bishops to consecrate Russia and say that it would be done but late? Why didn’t she just say, soon they will hold a council that will wreck the Church and take away every Catholic Bishop and you will say the Rosary and do penance until my Son comes again and don’t take the mark of the beast which is a …? I don’t understand how Fatima fits in here with or without a missing piece. I mean was the missing piece, “Nevermind all that because the Bishops will fail.”
Dear sweep–I, too, remember sitting at my desk in a preV2 Catholic school when the nuns (the REAL nuns!) were so excitedly awaiting the revelation of the Secrets of Fatima. I also remember the total frustration and letdown when J22 decided it was “not for our time”. I guess Our Lady does make mistakes—right?? These poor nuns had no way of knowing that the Catholic Church they happily surrendered their lives to was about to fall apart taking their vocations with them. What a terrible loss. Their convent was taken over by a utility company and is now a high rental apartment residence. It’s sick!!
This happened to so many nuns 2 cents……….in the end they became frustrated to find out they had nothing for all their years of service to the church. In he early 2000’s reps for the Orders traveled around asking for donations to help for the long term care for the elderly nuns. No social security and the Church telling them they did not have money to give them to sustain the older nuns…..so we heard it in all the parishes from the pulpits to please give for the elderly Sisters. Then it hit me why so many went nutso into yoga and enneagram retreats……….the Hierarchy treated them like second class religious and not the self sacrificing women they had been.
My computer is now officially in the shop but I tried to respond to another of your posts regarding Opus Dei, yesterday, unsuccessfully. In any case, I wholeheartedly agree with you that something stinks really bad in the Opus Dei Lucia relationship. I agree with Tradition in action regarding LUCIA. I believe she was murdered or died and was replaced by a double.
Good evening Sweep and Melanie :).
Sweep: I have long believed that the Vatican has suppressed and swept Jahenny under the rug because it exposes the entire FRAUD to the light. Now that’s not to say that many would wake up if they were aware of these messages and prophecies, because I’ve known about them for a long time and just read the future into it, not the present, and that’s what’s happened with the Fatima prophecies as well. Once your eyes are opened, you can see the prophecies and the present situation in an entirely new light and you just go Ahhhhhhh!!! I get it now!!!
Melanie: I have thought about the consecration a bit and where I’m leaving that is in the category of a mystery, as Tom A would say. My position being what it is – as described by Marie-Julie above – with no Pope and no valid hierarchy that we KNOW OF and therefore no valid (public) Holy Sacrifice, I am leaning toward the possibility that it may either take place at or after the miraculous resurrection of the true Church from the tomb after which Russia will be converted and return to the Church (as in late). But again, some things we simply don’t have to understand especially if it’s not a matter of Faith or morals.
dittos
TYVM=Thank you very much (I looked it up in Google)==
YVW=You’re very welcome (I made that up)
I hope you come back and see this Mary. Anne Cillis was a friend of Randys and she was a true spiritual daughter of Padre Pio. If you go onto TIA you will see a note she wrote in about the Two Lucy controversy. She said she knew of lucia’s Physician who was concerned when he was told his services would no longer be needed . Lucia had been very ill and they were concerned she would pass which is why she was ordered to put the Third Secret to paper.
This Fr. O’Conner says that the consecration was already made and that it was late and that’s why we had WWII and that we are currently enjoying our time of peace. This is what I had always believed though I do agree pictures of older Sr. Lucia look like a different person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfQL8xlSZNI