Cardinal Müller chats with the “active” member of the “expanded” Petrine ministry
In a recent interview with the German publication, Herder Korrespondenz, [translation provided by Dr. Maike Hickson at 1Peter5] Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was asked to comment on the possibility of a pope “changing the theological profile of the papal office.”
He replied:
The teaching on the papacy as a Divine institution cannot be relativized by anybody – this would mean to want to correct God Himself.
Did you get that?
Nobody, not even the pope, has the authority to change the Petrine ministry as instituted by Christ.
In light of Archbishop Gänswein’s confirmation that the Benedictine Declaratio of 11 February 2013 was an attempt to “profoundly and permanently transform” the Petrine ministry so as to endow it with a “collegial and synodal dimension, as a quasi-shared ministry” between two men, I’d say that this statement is rather timely, wouldn’t you?
Now, for the bad news…
Müller wasn’t addressing the validity of Benedict’s semi-renouncement of the papacy; much less the dog-and-pony conclave that followed. In fact, it is likely that the interview took place just prior to Archbishop Gänswein’s presentation.
Even so, the question that was posed is entirely applicable to the present situation.
More to the point, Müller’s response plainly exposes the folly of Benedict’s intention for what it truly is; part and parcel of the warnings issued by Our Lady at Fatima.
I am worried by the Blessed Virgin’s messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in Her liturgy, Her theology and Her soul. … A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. (Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli)
Given that suicide is death self-imposed at the hands of the very one who rules over the body (i.e., the head), it is clear that the Blessed Virgin’s messages to Lucy of Fatima, at least insofar as the future Pope Pius XII understood them, concern an attempt to alter the theology of the Church that involves the occupant of the Office of Peter.
This is precisely what is happening right before our very eyes! Archbishop Gänswein left no room for confusion on this point:
“Since February 2013 the papal ministry is therefore no longer what it was before.”
This bold initiative to “change the theological profile of the papal office” is a sure sign that the principal actors in this terrible tragedy have largely succumbed to the temptation to believe that man has become God.
Turning once more to the stunning assertion put forth by Archbishop Gänswein, no doubt offered with the approval of the would-be Pope Contemplatus:
Since the election of his successor Francis, on March 13, 2013, there are not therefore two popes, but de facto an expanded ministry — with an active member and a contemplative member. This is why Benedict XVI has not given up either his name, or the white cassock. This is why the correct name by which to address him even today is ‘Your Holiness’…
Here we have an eminently credible source telling us that Pope Benedict XVI acted with the specific intent of creating a brand new situation in the Church wherein we would have a “Holy Father” in both the “contemplative member” and the “active member.”
If this madness isn’t nipped in the bud (and there’s little hope that it will be apart from divine intervention), can you even imagine what’s next?
The Petrine ministry whole and entire is contained under the species of the active member; likewise is the whole Petrine Ministry contained under the species of the contemplative member.
Talk about being tempted to believe that man has become God!
As it is, one would be hard pressed to point to a more poignant example of an attempt to change the theological profile of the papal office – or what Cardinal Müller called an attempt “to correct God Himself” – than Benedict’s semi-renouncement.
So, where is the Prefect of the CDF now?
He is cowering in silence with the rest of the bishops; men from whom God has evidently withdrawn His grace as punishment for ignoring the wishes of His mother as revealed in her messages to Lucy of Fatima.
In making the formal request for the Consecration of Russia, Our Lady told Lucia, “The time has come…”. Just six days prior, the Lateran Treaty was ratified. Along with the Treaty came a windfall of cash. Pius XI, mentioned by name at Fatima, used the money to start the Vatican Bank, which in turn, introduced financial corruption on a massive scale into the Church.
Sounds like we’ll be going from 2 persons in 1 Pope, to 3 persons in 1 Pope when Francis abdicates with Benedict still alive.
So the Petrine inflation is being met with the same vigorous denouncement from the Hierarchy as we’re seeing in response to Amoris Laetitia…Bracing, simply bracing.
One begins to wonder which pope, or is it both popes, will have to consecrate Russia to Our Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Heart-? Oh what a tangled web these popes have created-!!
Our Lady told us the consecration would be late and from all we are living through in the Church it certainly seems as though the hourglass is about empty. I’m not sure as to the validity of the Garabandal apparitions( although I do feel they are true) …there was prophesied a warning, a supposed Illumination of Conscience worldwide, where all would see the state of his or her soul, followed some time after by a miracle. It’s certainly hard to put all these things into some sort of time perspective but between the insanity in Rome and in the world we seem to be spiraling out of control and something very catastrophic this way cometh.
Thanks Louie for the clear analysis what is going on with the Office of Peter. As for me I am concerned that Vatican II changed the form of Consecration of Bishops. Invalid bishops lead to invalid ordination of priests. How can one be assured his or confession is valid to save his soul short of perfect contrition?
+Lefebvre:
“…if sometimes, you are overcome by feelings of discouragement, by feelings of being rent inside – nearly of despair at the sight of the Church torn and suffering, struck from all sides; if these feelings invade your soul, know that Our Lord is with you, provided that you keep the words that Our Lord gave us, that Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us.
And it is by these sacrifices that one day the enemy will be driven away from the Church and that the Church will again discover her splendor. It will no longer be undermined by persons who desire its disappearance, or who desire its destruction.
And so today we must all pray together. We must pray, in particular, that God will drive away the enemies from the Church in order that the church may again give the graces which the faithful need and which the world needs for its salvation.”
“…we turn towards the Virgin Mary who is also jealous of the privileges of her Divine Son, jealous of His glory, of His Kingdom on earth as in heaven. How often has she intervened for the defense, even the armed defense, of Christendom against the enemies of the Kingdom of Our Lord! We entreat her to intervene today to chase the enemies out from inside the Church who are trying to destroy her more radically than her enemies from outside. May she deign to keep in the integrity of the Faith, in the love of the Church, in devotion to the successor of Peter, all the members of the Society of St. Pius X and all the priests and faithful who labor alongside the Society, in order that she may both keep us from schism and preserve us from heresy.
May St. Michael the Archangel inspire us with his zeal for the glory of God and with his strength to fight demons.
May St. Pius X share with us a part of his wisdom, of his learning, of his sanctity, to discern the true from the false and the good from the evil in these times of confusion and lies.”
+ Marcel Lefebvre
In Feb. of 2014 (see the link below) Benedict seemed to publicly confirm this intention of his to create this new kind of Petrine ministry, saying:
“I do not return to private life, to a life of travel, meetings, receptions, conferences, and so on. I am not abandoning the cross, but REMAINING IN A NEW WAY at the side of the crucified Lord. I no longer bear the power of office for the governance of the Church, but in the service of prayer I remain, so to speak, IN THE ENCLOSURE OF SAINT PETER”
http://www.lastampa.it/2014/02/25/vaticaninsider/eng/the-vatican/ratzinger-my-resignation-is-valid-speculations-are-simply-absurd-nM4DttQk4owMXqUzr4GRWO/pagina.html
If only because the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in matters Ex-Cathedra was so explicitly given to one man, it seems obvious to me that no one but God can change the Petrine Office from that one-man position, into a group thing. So if Ganswein is correct about Benedict’s intentions to do that, (as it appears he is) then Benedict’s resignation must be invalid–exactly as those, like Father Paul Kramer, claimed it was at the time it was announced.
Am I missing someting here Mr. V? Isn’t Benedict therefore still the Pope, and Bergoglio just a Cardinal (who should be defrocked for his heretical beliefs and whose official actions -including canonizations- should immediately be revoked)?
Sounds good to me.
See I knew I wasn’t seeing double. Glad to know that my God given, yet fading vision and meager mentality is still doing fine, just fine! It makes simple sense. Two men, one title. And why not? Contraception is permissible, adultery is permissible, and let’s see, what else? I just can’t keep track of all the changes. 🙂
Oh, and by the way, no one cares. We have been trained to not know anything and therefore accept anything they say. The devil’s plan is working like a charm! I say this with a smile upon my weary face, lest I be labeled a traditionalist hater.. 🙂 which these days is one in the same.
Lonely road.
We are on the front lines, even if only in our hearts, in this spiritual battle which no one cares or even knows is going on. Our weapon is the Rosary. May Our Lady of Good Success guide and protect us!
crawler–Brilliant!!!! The New “Blessed” Trinity!!!!!
Are we sure we don’t also have a secretly elected Pope Luther, previous name: Cardinal Kasper?
LOL…while crying at the same time. A little black humor is palliative at times like we are living through. But then with “Modernism” all things are possible…..just not true!
Each time you post you demonstrate once again why the archbishop long ago provided us with a roadmap through these terrible times. I am more inclined to want to draw a sword and lop off the ears of these heretics. But this someday-saint is Christ-like in this statement as in all his others.
I have come to believe that your question is the fundamental one we confront at this time. If B XVI was forced or intimidated into resignation, that cannot be valid. And in that case the election of another–especially an apostate–cannot be valid. Then we are told Bergoglio was elected as a result of an organized campaign by the modernists, something that violates conclave rules and makes that election itself invalid. I have stood steadfast against sedevacantism, but I also find it difficult to believe the resignation was valid, the election was invalid and find it impossible to believe that a true pope could be this consistent a heretic. Is Benedict, therefore, still pope? Which would Christ consider his vicar on earth?
Satan loves confusion and the modernist “church” is making him dance with joy!
And here we were all, “Oh, poor picked-on BXVI! The mean wolf bullies forced him out and he’s hanging onto that white cassock and apartment and title all Jeremiah Denton-like throwing us a “Help me! Help me!” code!”
Psh. It was a Modernist performing a Modernist stunt.
One Millimeter Peter is a joke site which is waaaaay too soft on Bergoglio and Ratzinger. That’s what you get when you settle for weak goals like “Catholic Culture” and women teaching men on what is ostensibly a Traditional Catholic website. Abominations like theirs are part of the reason why the liberals can run roughshod over us.
Its such a shame, Traditional groups cannot unit ? Sometimes it feels so protestant ! %$#@
Dear ock: We cannot compromise on Dogma and Doctrine. Women are not allowed to teach or have authority over men. That is a teaching of the Apostle St. Paul. As long as Steve Skojec keeps taking the blue pill and allowing Hillary (Clinton?) White and Ann “Men Are Too Good For Me” Barnhardt to dominate his “ministry”, he is not much better than “Pope” Bergoglio and “Pope” Benedict. We cannot ask for unity at the cost of compromising on the Truth; that would make us just like the false liberal “Ecu-maniacs” and “Neo-catatonics”.
Dear George, I agree !!! Being more specific, I was thinking about how the SSPX and SSPV, who are both umcompromising re: Dogma cannot unite ? I think issues between them should be resolved.
Ock
I sincerely ask this question (and yes Im a sede) for your opinion on the matter: we all agree at this point, both sede’s and trads, that bergoglio is without question a public heretic. Its no longer a matter of whether or not he’s promoting heresy in private discussions with others, or he may hold some heretical thought that he doesnt make known…..there is no doubt anymore that he promotes heresy for all the world to hear and actually expects all Catholics to abide by it (his words). We know full well, as our Faith teaches us, that a heretic is severed from the Church and therefore can have no part of the Church.
As far as I know the SSPX still hangs a picture of this disgusting person in their chapels…if thats not a sign of compromising with Satan than what is? Why does the SSPX continue to align themselves with deviants such as mr. bergoglio?
Rich:
Your points are excellent and reflect a troubling “bad or good, he’s our Pope” mentality among some of the SSPX. A similar attitude is reflected by the Saint Benedict Center, who have written an amusingly illogical argument against sedevacantism. You can peruse it (for your amusement) here:
http://catholicism.org/modern-popes.html
I tend more towards a sedeprivationist stance myself, but I understand where you are coming from. To maintain any sort of respect for Bergoglio in today’s climate – even if it’s just putting up a picture of him – is dangerous, as it merely encourages the man in his sins and convinces him that we all love him. (He is extraordinarily thick-skinned – a hallmark of the hardened and unrepentant sinner.) Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
I go to one of the biggest SSPX Chapels. I have never seen a picture of any Pope there. We do have a very nice statue of Pope Saint Pius X.
According to Canon Law, a heretical Pope must be judged as such by his peers. We do not have such a judgement. In order to be saved, you must be subject to the Bishop of Rome. At the same time, you can ignore anything he says or does if it does not line up with what the Church has always said and taught.
In 1988, when Archbishop Lefebvre Consecrated four Bishops, he filled out the customary Apostolicum document. At the bottom he could not put the name of John Paul II, so he wrote “The Church”. That is exactly according to Canon Law when the Church is in a state of emergency.
The bottom line is, don’t jeopardize your soul for making a judgement that is not your to make. The Church continues on serenely in spite of the trouble makers. Vengeance is Mine says the Lord.
Ask me how I know you’re a loon…..
If you’re talking to me, I’m not interested what you think.
Not you…GeorgeB
Dear Rich, I agree with just about everything you say and have seriously considered the sede position, but have not made the leap . I attend SSPV and intend to stay. Just about everything I read about SSPV (which is not much) they are classified as being sede. This is not true ! They do not pray for Francis at their masses, but do not object to anyone who wishes to do so ( PRAY FOR FRANCIS). Sedevacantists & non Sedevacantists are both accepted. Bottom line Rich to your question re: my opinion is, I DONT KNOW !!!! Some pretty smart people cant agree on this and maybe thats why its called “THE DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION”? I think Rushintuit’s comments below make sense. As for myself, I will follow St. Paul’s advice, “But though WE, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. Also, there is so much prophecy about this D. Disorientation coming about why should anyone be surprised !!! I get great confidence that Satan is giving the Catholic Church so much attention !!! I”M HOME !!!
Dear Rushintuit: Your point on who is allowed to judge and depose a heretical Pope is valid, which is why I am still a -privationist rather than a -vacantist. However, I do think one hallmark of the false Catholic is his uncharitable rejection of faithful, orthodox Catholics who hold the sedevacantist position. I’ve even seen one nominally “traditionalist” blog (the author of whom refers to themselves as a “traddie” – ugh!) in which sedevacantists are vilified and compared to liberals and “neo-cons”. Such an attitude must stop if true Catholics are to unite.
Resorting to ad hominems instead of logical arguments….yes, you sound like a true disciple of Bergoglio, my friend. What are you going to do next, Edison? Call me a “self-absorbed promethean neo-Pelagian” or a “doctor of the law”? Continue with your antics if you will, all they do is amuse me.
I would say that all of these labels are a bit ridiculous. In general terms, either you are a Catholic or you are not a Catholic. With this in mind, the idea of unity is a non issue.
Hey GeorgeB- I see you share Bergoglio’s penchant for hypocrisy:
“One Millimeter Peter” – wow, isn’t that clever? How old are you?
“Steve Skojec keeps taking the blue pill and allowing Hillary (Clinton?) White and Ann “Men Are Too Good For Me” Barnhardt”……..
Like I said, you’re a loon and you’re not helping the cause.
I am going to be charitable and assume that you are genuinely confused.
The use of virile invective as a rhetorical device is an ancient one, and dates back to my patron saint, Saint Jerome, patron of Biblical scholars.
Also, note that you simply quote from my posts and repeat your schoolyard taunt (“loon”? Seriously? Suffering succotash!) without any attempt at a logical refutation, which is what a mature man raised in the Thomistic tradition would do.
If you truly wish to discuss the serious flaws in the OnePeterFive ministry, we can continue this discussion elsewhere, perhaps by mail. It would be uncharitable on my part to clutter up Mr. V’s blog with responses to your non-arguments.
Before resuming this discussion, though, I recommend you study the Montanist (or Cataphrygian) heresy, and the work of Tradition In Action on the Satanic nature of modern “rock” music. Just a couple of clues to get you started.
Ann B. adds to this with Canon 188: A resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice, substantial error, or simony is invalid by the law itself.
She explains: “We now know what “substantial error” is. Pope Benedict XVI Ratzinger made a “substantial error” in believing that the papacy could be “expanded” – in this case, bifurcated into a diarchy.”
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2016/06/19/vocem-alienorum-the-voice-of-antipope-francis-bergoglio-is-the-voice-of-a-stranger/