According to the infamous “Fra Cristoforo” – the penname of a blogging cleric anonymously writing from Rome:
My source tells me that the four Cardinals Brandmüller, Burke, Caffara and Meisner that placed the dubia before the Argentine Jesuit in order to clarify the Amoris Laetitia, NO LONGER INTEND TO MAKE THE PUBLIC CORRECTION THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED. [Emphasis in original]
Fr. Cristoforo continued:
In fact, meeting together about twenty days ago, in Rome, they opted for this choice. It seems that the motive is the fact that they have not felt supported by other Cardinals, at the official level, and have decided to throw in the towel.
If this is true, and one cannot be certain, it would appear that perhaps the cardinals’ allegiance isn’t to the Divine Law Giver after all.
Four “full communion” men-of-the-council placing their standing among men before their sacred duty toward Christ the King!
Given that even the sons of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (via Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX) can’t seem to muster the gumption to identify as “heretical” those statements in Amoris Laetitia that plainly contradict the Council of Trent and Sacred Scripture, I suppose that wouldn’t be very difficult to believe.
Interestingly, though, Fr. Gleize did state the following in his most unfortunate article:
Cardinal [Müller] thinks that it would not be possible to proceed to the fraternal correction [of Francis] mentioned by Cardinal Burke… In reality, the danger [to the faith] is very real, and Cardinal Burke rightly reacted to this statement by Cardinal Müller, insisting on the need for a pontifical correction. [Emphasis added]
If Fra Cristoforo’s report bears out to be accurate, will Fr. Gleize weigh-in on behalf of the Society to call Cardinal Burke and his confreres to account for the “need for a pontifical correction”?
One should only hope so, but only time will tell on all counts.
No surprise here, it is practically impossible for a modernist of any persuasion to call another modernist a heretic. Thats the whole point of modernism. There is no more heresy because there is no more faith. Pope St Pius X said that modernism does not just attack one dogma of the faith. It attacks faith itself. So stop looking to modernists (Burke, Schneider) to correct the problem of modernism (Bergolio, Kasper). They are all one and the same.
About four weeks ago, I knew this to be true. Not by any outside confirmation, surely, but I just knew this was the case. There will be no public or formal correction of any kind, at least, not from these men, and doubtful from anyone else.
This is it, kids. A hard reality to face, but these men are going to look out for themselves first. They have made their choice.
The lack of zeal from Christ and His church has been apparent from the beginning.
We were underwhelmed by the response from the “faithful Cardinals”, and sobered by the bootlickers who have come out in droves.
Don’t give us your intimations of “how unhappy the Cardinals are behind the scenes”, what good does that do us! None! Go cry into your tea.
They have abandoned Jesus Christ. His Church. The faith. Catholic culture. Us.
We are an underground church now, more or less. We have Jesus, Our Lady, the saints, tradition, much faithful writings from doctors of the church and other reliable sources (Fulton Sheen, etc.), the Rosary, the Sacraments, and, each other. And we have the Mass in the Extraordinary Form. If they take that away, hidden Masses in basements and the remainder. We’ll pray the Rosary on our fingers if all else fails.
The Novus Ordo church is dead, filled with homosexuals, destroyers, capitulators, weaklings, careerists, and Modernists. Let them have it.
God bless, friends. This is 2017, still a year for hope.
They might not have much support from other cardinals, but many lay, faithful Catholics have voiced their support. Does it mean we count for nothing?
We DON’T matter, neither does the Lord Jesus Christ. Who is there to defend His honor, His truth?
There has got to be a special place in HELL for these cowards.
Matthew 21 The Withering Fig Tree
17* And leaving them, he went out of the city to Bethany and lodged there. 18 In the morning, as he was returning to the city, he was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the wayside he went to it, and found nothing on it but leaves only. And he said to it, “May no fruit ever come from you again!” And the fig tree withered at once. 20* When the disciples saw it they marveled, saying, “How did the fig tree wither at once?”
Jesus curses the fig tree – to us it seems a petulant act doesn’t it?
Until we learn that a fig tree was symbolic of Israel or Jerusalem, which had produced no good fruit. Jesus hungered for goodness from Israel. Jesus curses it because it is barren, thus announcing His curse upon the nation.
Hosea 9:10 Like grapes in the wilderness, I found Israel. Like the fruit on the fig tree, in its first season, I saw your fathers.
Grapes in the wilderness, wild grapes were “stinking” grapes, unsuitable grapes, as unsuitable as the first crop of new figs. (The fig tree produces two crops a season, the first or breva crop is usually inferior in quantity and quality) After lamenting the disobedience of Israel, Jeremiah says this:
Jeremiah 8:13 When I would gather them, says the Lord, there are no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree; even the leaves are withered, and what I gave them has passed away from them.
I believe that Jesus has cursed the Vatican II church, just as He cursed unrepentant and disobedient Israel. It withers – and produces nothing but stinking fruit.
Their cowardice is really disgusting when you consider what would be the horrendous penalty for publicly calling out the Evil Clown, being boiled in oil? Banished to the wilderness to fend for oneself amoung the jackels and lions? More likely really mean things would be said by FrancisPrelates who hate the Church, and who have not a shred of dignity in spite of the nifty red hats and purple buttons.
When Christ was arrested after His agony in the garden, His Apostles, those whom He loved so much, scattered in fear. it was only young John who came to his senses and stood alone under the Cross. By what logic do these present-day Princes of the Church justify their cowardice in abandoning the Truth of the Living God? I would really like to know the reasoning that makes it possible for each of them to look at their reflection in the mirror. Are they trying to make standing up for Christ a ‘communal’ responsibility? It is not. It is an individual responsibility. Each of them will stand individually before Christ one day–maybe sooner than they think–and answer individually for their abandonment of Him. Their pompous sacrosanct posturing makes me want to puke. There is no argument which they could offer that would mitigate the betrayal into which each one of them now enters. Like Judas before them, they have gone out into the darkest night.
How incredibly sad that no one in the hierarchy will defend Our Lord.
I hope it isn’t true.
Thank you for defending Him, Louie.
In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph.
So true…..and yet so many keep relying on these vatican 2 men whose ordination as priests is in question.
My gosh…..there are true bishops who defend the Catholic Faith continuously. Why are they not recognized? The SSPX bishops arent the only validly consecrated bishops.
Francis cannot be corrected because he is PERFECT. Egomaniacs are always PERFECT! But that doesn’t mean he cannot be defeated if we had a faithful, courageous army lead by fearless generals. That’s what is missing.
Their reasoning is such because they fear a major schism and rupture in the RCC. Too bad for them. I pray for their souls. It seems these cardinals remain more interested in protecting their posh lifestyles than defending the Faith. Sad. I am very angry at Burke and company. Perhaps someone will prove Francis’ election invalid, as well as Benedict’s resignation coerced. Thus, Benedict is still pope. It would most certainly explain a lot.
I, too, have wondered why the Catholic Eastern rite bishops have not spoken- except one. It seems the true shepherds have been struck and scattered.
I think it’s more a matter of disbelief than of cowardice. Don’t forget that these men have been committing the Novus Ordo service for decades. As we know, the Novus Ordo service corrodes belief.
Any attempt at a “formal correction” should be met with a swift excommunication that would Savonarola turn over in his grave.
“And all of us in the Church who are cardinals, bishops, we have the responsibility to defend the truth; whether we seem to be numerous or we seem to be very few doesn’t make any difference. It’s the truth of Christ which has to be taught.”
Cardinal Burke defends dubia signers in blockbuster EWTN interview @lfesitenews.com
It’s difficult to accept that by throwing in the towel the four Cardinals are actually defending the Truth of Christ. They alluded to many Cardinals who were on side but declined to sign the Dubia & the SSPX have also stated they had many such supporters also in the Curia, but again silent ones. Quite a few have given their support & are listed in an “Updated: The full list of Catholic bishops and cardinals ‘for and against’ the dubia” by Pete Baklnski @lifesitenews.com.
If this news from Fr Cristoforo is true then the Dubia Brothers & their promise of a formal correction if Dubia was not answered, is nothing more than a deceitful charade. Not only have they let down the countless petition signees, academics, lay theologians, international priestly confraternities, etc. but also those Bishops & Cardinals who did come out in their support early on. As Archbishop Fulton Sheen has warned us – “Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops, like bishops, and your religious act like religious.”–Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, 1972.
Francis has made it clear how AL is to be interpreted. He knows the objections of the conservatives, he has chosen to side with the progressive elements of the NO church. If you think he is your pope, then you have no option other than submission and assent. He has been most tolerant of the seditious conservative wing. They need to stop promoting their brand of V2 “catholicism” and get on board with the “magesterium” of the council. Francis, as pope, is the defender of that faith. Now if you think Bergolio is just a windbag communist, then who cares what he says or thinks.
Pope Francis needs to find his inner monarch and start excommunicating these “traditionalist” dissenters. Remember what Pope Pius IX said when some “traditionalists” questioned whether or not papal infallibility was true, “Tradition? I AM Tradition!!”
“The smoke of Satan” has entered the comment section.
Need a “safe space” snowflake?
Those who don’t follow the crowd, and gladly accept persecution from the misled and dangerously proud likes of you (as did Christ and His true followers), are hardly effeminate or “snowflakes”. You follow the wide road of blasphemous and heretical Francis to eternal damnation, and I’ll do my best to follow Christ down the narrow path to eternal life.
“The rumours going around that the correction has been shelved are false.”
Well if you support Vatican II there is really no point to come to this blog for Christians.
Unfortunately Ganganelli, the 1983 Code of Canon Law is so vague that it pretty much prohibts anyone from getting excommunicated. There are “loopholes” that permit just about anything as long as the person felt he was in “danger.” That was the excuse the SSPX used to disobey their Pope.
It doesnt matter Ana, nothing will come of it. The only heresy in the NO church is Tradition.
That’s another thing, and a good point. What are these men risking? It’s a serious thing to be retired early, etc., but hardly what the early martyrs faced! These men don’t even want to be unpopular amongst their Cardinal peeps, or lose their nice seat at the table. It’s disgusting at this point.
Take away their Cardinal red! Seeing them wear the robes in red that signaled their willingness to be martyrs for Christ, at this point, is appalling.
And that seems a bogus excuse. We are ALREADY in schism, who can deny we have two churches?
Which excuse did Saint Athanasius use?
Like the man said…”And that’s that! And there’s nothing we can do about it!”
Bluster without backbone is just that….Noise without meaning aka “All about nothing. Move along now children”
St Athanasius did not disobey Liberius.
THANK YOU! Even the original stories had a question mark after the report there would be no public correction. Didn’t anybody see the ? ? Even Louie adds the ? with the caveat “if true” before proceeding on the assumption that it is. Pentin emphatically denies this original report. Too many here and elsewhere are anxious to believe that no one will ever condemn this pope except them. And I don’t know what the bugaboo is about Cardinal Burke, but it seems some never miss an opportunity to jump on him for not be traditional/faithful enough to do what they want him to do when they want him to do it and in EXACTLY the way they want him to do it.
Modernist laymen asking questions about a heretical document which was produced by another layman in papal garb.
@Ganganelli: Why should that necessarily follow? The four Cardinals who have submitted the dubia are not contemplating schism as far as we know, regardless of what some folks on the Internet wish for. Dubia are submitted over a variety of issues. The only difference is that this one was made public (due to the Pope’s refusal to answer) and generated a fever-storm of mostly fruitless speculation.
@Danielpan: Your statement is incomprehensible. The documents of Vatican II, produced by a legitimate ecumenical council and ratified by a legitimate Pope, simply have to be read in the light of Tradition and not seen as some sort of supersessionary “New Magisterium”.