The (so-called) Reverend Robert H. Schuller, who built the mega-heretic theme park “Crystal Cathedral” in Garden Grove, CA died this morning.
The 35 acre campus and its Wizard-of-Oz style main structure has since been purchased by the Diocese of Orange and renamed “Christ Cathedral.”
Currently, in addition to English, the facility offers Mass in Spanish, Vietnamese, Cantonese and Mandarin, but apparently those who favor the language of the Church will have to look elsewhere.
The facility is undergoing a multimillion dollar renovation that Capital Campaign Co-Chair Tim Busch called “one of the most important things going on in the Catholic world and America.” (Just in case you were wondering how truly irrelevant the Church in America has become.)
As for Mr. Schuller and his legacy, this is a man whose life’s work consisted of leading people away from the one true faith established by Christ, His Holy Catholic Church, the Holy Mass and the sacraments. He was quite good at it too.
In fact, there’s no telling how many souls died without the Most Holy Eucharist, in mortal sin, and detached from the Mystical Body of Christ thanks to this leader of heretics and destroyer of Christian unity.
Even so, in November 2014, the Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, addressed the USCCB General Assembly in Washington, telling the bishops that Schuller is a “great evangelical preacher” who “moved countless numbers of people to a real conversion of heart -so many types of people who were willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of Jesus and his Gospel.”
Mark my words, before the cock crows, Archbishop Viganò, Bishop of Orange Kevin Vann, and any number of other Catholic prelates (maybe even the pope) will deny Christ on this Holy Thursday by way of statements that amount to the quasi-canonization of the heretic Schuller.
If they had even a mustard seed’s worth of Catholic faith and any real love for the deceased they would be imploring the faithful to pray for this man who sinned so egregiously against Our Blessed Lord.
Check out the video below and the Diocese of Orange’s vision for “Christ Cathedral” moving forward.
The Diocesan Director of Communications, Ryan Lilyengren, put it this way:
We see ourselves as a center point for many faiths to come together to engage…
Mr. Schuller’s legacy endures…
When they arrived at Bethsaida, some people brought a blind man to Jesus, and they begged him to touch the man and heal him. Jesus took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the village. Then, spitting on the man’s eyes, he laid his hands on him and asked, “Can you see anything now?”
The man looked around. “Yes,” he said, “I see people, but I can’t see them very clearly. They look like trees walking around.”
Then Jesus placed his hands on the man’s eyes again, and his eyes were opened. His sight was completely restored, and he could see everything clearly. Jesus sent him away, saying, “Don’t go back into the village on your way home.”
Mark 8:22-26
Perhaps some try to do good, even when only partially sighted?
Of course we pray for mercy on his soul.
I live 4 miles from this place. Like the Taj Mahony, it’s an architectural crime against God and humanity. Again like the Taj Mahony, it provides an ideal setting for the Novus Ordo service and the inculcation of a pan-religion. Both places are worthy only of the wrecking ball.
Oh, I almost forgot. Here’s a video I made there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gNfGKypPzg&spfreload=10
The Diocese of Orange had acquired the monstrosity a year before I made the video, so I thought it was ready to go. I learned later that it wouldn’t be renovated until now. I’ll have to go back and make another video soon. I went there not long ago and can tell you that the ridiculous statues are still there.
“A cross between Uncle Jesus and Charles Manson…”
Hahahahahaha!
You’re a riot, Alphonsus, Jr!
I look forward to the updated tour once the renovation is complete.
Never heard of this guy.
Louie, you have an international audience visiting your site. These parochial stories are probably meaningless to the majority of us in that international audience.
Paul Morphy,
Try Google!!
I thought it kinda looked like Kurt Russel in Escape From New York. Someone should put an eye patch on it.
Dear AlphonsusJr
Hey, we remember you from your Placido Pax videos.
We notice when we click on them now –even the ones you’ve linked to as AlphonsusJr– they come up as “private” and we’re locked out. What’s with that? (We did think it was dangerous to rant about VII while driving and are gladto see you’ve got both feet on the ground now. 🙂 🙂
I guess Shuller’s book “The Power of Being Debt Free (1985)” didn’t turn out to be very helpful after all.
Dear Paul Morphy,
If you read up on Louie’s subject-Robert Schuller, try Wickipedia) you’ll see that his following was enormous, as is the MegaChurch/Theatre he built-as the video shows–all of which makes it far from meaningless WHEN Catholic Churchmen buy him out and have nothing but praise for all he did.
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Louie’s pointing out the scandal that creates, as well as the CATHOLIC mega-Church they’re creating here–which is becoming a”trend” in California-not to mention a dangerous addition to the New World Order list of assets. (Where’s Pope Francis and his “poor” Church while they’re spending mega millions to buy and revamp it and telling us how excited they are because “beauty: attracts? That wasn’t what we’ve been hearing now for 50 years as they’ve sold off traditional Churches or wreckovated them by removing all the beauty–for a “simple” setting.
According to wicki, this guy’s Calvinist background and protestant denomination ordained women, taught there are exceptions to being against abortion due to the complexities of our society; and was concerned that homosexuals might have a “guilt” complex. His Church was ecumenically partnered with groups that ordain homosexuals, as well. And he was apparently known for not confronting people about unrepentant sin–famous for the saying, “Jesus met the needs before touting creeds”
Bad stuff.
St Paul wrote to the Galatians:
[1] Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead, [2] And all the brethren who are with me, to the churches of Galatia. [3] Grace be to you, and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, [4] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present wicked world, according to the will of God and our Father: [5] To whom is glory for ever and ever. Amen.
[6] I wonder that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ, unto another gospel. [7] Which is not another, only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. [9] As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema. [10] For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? If I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
It is obvious Vatican II church preaches a gospel besides that which I received in 1961, therefore I am not bound to obey any innovation of Vatican II, nor will I obey or follow any modernist heretic pope, cardinal, bishop, priest, deacon or nun or any other false shepherd. Thank God for the gift of knowledge.
+Saint Paul+ pray for us
An inconvenient truth: As discussed in the forum thread regarding whether Mortalium Animos is still the Church teaching on dealings with those entrapped in sects, even VII repeats that those who are aware that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ for salvation need to enter the Catholic Church to be saved:
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“Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.” (Lumen Gentium 14)
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Although I do not know whether Mr. Schuller knew “that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ for salvation” it is hard to believe that he was not aware of this fact. Given that there were no reports that Mr. Schuller entered the Church before death, Catholics have no objective reason to believe that Mr. Schuller is any place other than Hell if he did, in fact, know that the Catholic Church was made necessary for salvation and he refused to enter Her. Given that this is a real possiblity for Mr. Schuller, any Catholic prelate praising him unreservedly is acting in an irresponsible manner.
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There is no need to repeat the discussion from the forum of how “social realities of group dynamics” may have made it impossible for Mr. Schuller to “intellectually convince himself” of the “truth” of the claim “that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ for salvation”. The point of this comment is to remind the faithful that those in Church leadership positions praising Mr. Schuller do not act as if they are bound by the teachings of VII, never mind those of the true Church.
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Next time a Catholic praises “the ministry” of a heretic in your presence, take the opportunity to remind him or her of the status of the Church as the unique ark of salvation established by Christ. When he or she claim that is an “old teaching” and the “Church” doesn’t “believe that anymore” quote Lumen Gentium 14 to them.
Hello EM. Interesting comment again. No one would proscribe trying to do good; but your comment implies that one without the Truth is capable of real good, when the real aim of Christ’s mission is the eternal good of the soul which depends 100% upon Truth.
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‘Unregenerate man in his religious aspirations tends to frame for himself a religion which differs from that which accords with the views of God…’ Fr leen – ‘Why the Cross?’.
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Protestantism is a religion of human instinct, (‘Faith alone’, cries Luther (who made up his new faith as he cried out) – ‘works alone’ cries another). Human instinct creates false religions which suits the enemy just fine. Human instinct isn’t really interested in asking the question (let alone hearing the answer) ‘What must we do to be saved?’ The Church of Christ answers this question very plainly.
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There is no ‘continuum’ of Truth. There is no ‘partial communion’ with Truth, as Vatican II teaches, which is heresy.
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Regarding healing the blind; the Gospels make no mistake in teaching that Christ’s mission was not to end ‘material distress’, although He did for some – ‘but the dead raised went back to the tomb, the healed lost their health again…’ And in the village which had no Faith in Him ‘He could do nothing’. He came to heal the soul and convert it to immortal Truth. He established a Church to be the vessel of that Truth. For a so-called ‘son of the church’ (Vigano) to applaude a ‘center point for many faiths to come together’, as well as the founder of such an endeavour, is evil.
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PS. The first real protestants are found in John Chapter 6 in the discourse on the Real Presence: ‘For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed…He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in Me, and I in him…Many therefore of His disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it?…After this many of His disciples went back; and walked no more with Him.’ One preist once commented that the line, ‘and walked no more with Him’, is one of the saddest in the Gospels. But this is protestantism. It ‘walks no more with Him’, because it prefers to walk with someone else, be it Luther or Calvin or the New Order that ‘walks no more’ with the True Vicars of Christ.
‘There is no Catholic God,’ says the Wizard. To whom do these prelates pay tribute then? How can it be Christ if that act and speak as if His Bride is as incidental as a conversion at the Crystal Pleasure Dome?
I’ll let you know! Keep up the great work. You’re on a roll.
Kurt Russell in Escape From New York. Yes! True.
Yes, Indigenous families (<<<< auto spell corrected), the Placido Pax videos are usually in Private mode, sometimes in Unlisted mode, and never in Public mode. This is the safest course.
Indigenous families, I forgot to add that the Placido Pax videos are rooted in absolulely seething, possibly toxic, rage. I’m not sure it’s good to share this rage too much. Then again I’m not sure if this rage is really apparent in the videos. But I do know the feeling of rage while I’m making them. At any rate, they’re mainly an exercise in catharsis. Cheers.
Dear AlphonsusJr,
Your 2 videos I have just watched are absolutely tremendous!!! What eye openers they are. Your cryptic comments speak – no shout, volumes! Some are hilarious! You have done an immense good in opening the eyes of those who have eyes to see. This is not parochial – this is a cryptic expose for the world to see what the NO church of darkness is all about. These are judeo-masonic temples of the New World Order of satan, most ugly, in concrete and glass. I know I am waxing lyrical and incoherent, but the rage in your heart is burning up mine. I wish I could blow them to smithereens! What a pleasure that would be! The cold feeling of ugliness and emptiness one feels as you walk along those barren corridors. The few statues imprisoned in their cubicles. A poor, lost priest who doesn’t know where the Tabernacle is – that is the epitome of hopelessness. satan has triumphed beyond our ability to remedy. It would take hundreds of years to get back to where we were before VII. Only Our Lord can sort this out. The worst part of all, is that myriads of good, trusting, innocent souls are being robbed of their Faith and mislead by these agents of satan. The Remnant is very small, but it will always be. What an extreme gift and priveledge it is for us who are numbered among them! Fellas, how can anybody who knows the Faith stick with the NO horror? By their fruits you shall know them!!!
Regarding the new “cathedral” built in Los Angeles, I started researching it and the first description of it I found is that it is built in a neo-MODERNIST style!!!!!! Can it be any more obvious that this is about on the same level as spiking the football after scoring a touchdown, i.e., an over-the-top, in-your-face declaration of total victory over tradition! If you can stomach the back story, here are some links:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Our_Lady_of_the_Angels
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_Vibiana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_S._Vosko
http://americamagazine.org/issue/458/article/building-and-renovating-places-worship
When I see the Crystal Cathedral, why do I have an irresistible impulse to throw a stone at it?
A 50 round clip of “Hail Mary” s would do the trick nicely, and be much more effective.
I have never previously heard of Schuller, but given that the Nuncio has apparently said of an apparent heretic that he “moved countless numbers of people to a real conversion of heart”, I think it is worth comparing the following remarks of the Catholic Encyclopedia on “Conversion” (emphases added):
“Every man is bound by the natural law to seek the true religion, embrace it when found, and conform his life to its principles and precepts…. And since faith is necessary for salvation, that we may comply with the duty of embracing the true Faith and persevering in it, God by His only-begotten Son has instituted the Church and has adorned it with obvious marks so that it may be known by all men as the guardian and teacher of revealed truth. These marks (or notes) of credibility belong to the Catholic Church alone.”
Dear Ever mindful,
When you say “Perhaps some try to do good, even when only partially sighted,” it appears that you may be objecting to the strong reminders Louie gave in his piece that grave harm is done to many souls, by Protestant leaders like this one. But when they are so successful in gathering a loyal following, they leave many thousands of souls thinking they are “saved” living by Protestant definitions of salvation and sin, which do not encompass the fullness of the Truth. This in turn deprives them and their families also of the Sacraments, including The Holy Eucharist, -without which they “have no life in them”, according to Our Lord, Himself.
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So even though the deceived leaders of these sects may have intentions of doing good, and help people to reject some evil behaviors, they end up leading them to believe a delusion- that they are “at home” so to speak in the Church Christ founded, (and then supposedly “reformed”)with no need to look further.
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The fact that God makes use of even evil situations to draw men to Himself, doesn’t make it good for people to get into them– which is why it is so damaging to have our Bishops praising what Protestants do, WITHOUT warning of the harm that automatically comes with it.
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Many saints of the counter-reformation gave their entire lives to fighting this great evil. Reading about them reminds us of the great damage done to souls by those who indiscriminately praise these reformers and their followers and works. Here’s one author’s list of a 10 of them, containing some good references to their works. (though there are many more than these):
1. Pope St. Pius V battled -battled the English Reformation and its persecution of Catholics, the Huguenots in France.
2. St. Charles Borromeo -fought Lutheranism.
3. St. Francis de Sales – singlehandedly convert 72,000 Calvinists back to the faith, author of “The Catholic Controversy”.
4. St. Fidelis of Sigmaringen – converted many Calvinists of Switzerland before being brutally martyred by a mob.
5. St. Cajetan- the “hunter of souls” – introduced the devotion of Forty Hours’ Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament “as an antidote to the heresy of Calvin.”
6. St. Robert Bellarmine -spiritual guide to St. Aloysius Gonzaga. Wrote “Disputationes” (a.k.a. The Controversies), which caused a tremendous stir amongst the major Protestant theologians who were called to respond to it. According to Fr. John A. Hardon, Bellarmine “more than any single man in Christendom analyzed Protestantism to its roots.”
7. St. Ignatius of Loyola -formed The Jesuits- to defend the Church in the face of widespread heresy. Wrote “Spiritual Exercises” which helped form many other counter-reformation Saints.
8. St. Teresa of Avila -reformed her Carmelite order -after seeing the laxity and abuses fostered by the reformation.
9. St. Peter Canisius -one of the first Jesuits- opposed Lutheranism, debated Lutheran theologians, wrote many works against the errors of Protestantism, including a Catechism–was a major driving force behind the Council of Trent.
10. St. John Fisher -defended the Real Presence in the Eucharist against Protestant theologians in universities, including writing a four-volume work in refutation of the errors of Martin Luther before being beheaded.
http://www.ascentofcarmel.blogspot.com/2013/07/top-10-saints-of-counter-reformation.html
The author of the above list reminds us that G.K. Chesterton wrote:
“It is perfectly true that we can find real wrongs, provoking rebellion, in the Roman Church just before the Reformation.
What we cannot find is ONE of those real wrongs that the Reformation reformed.”
God Bless 🙂 🙂
Dear AlphonsusJr.
We get it. Thanks. And yes, we noticed that some of the responders didn’t quite catch on to what you were doing in some of them, and thought you were really “trolling” against Trads .
I’ll do that and still throw a stone! Faith without works is dead!
Notice the name Ryan Lilyengren, Director of Communications for the Diocese of Orange? He recently was made a master mason at the Free and Accepted Masons of Huntington Beach, CA. That’s right, Bishop Vann’s comm director just got a promotion for his accomplishments in what St. Paul calls the Synagogue of Satan.
See for yourself (scroll down a bit or ctrl + F and type lilyengren).
http://www.hbmasons.com/category/news/page/17/
Wow. That’s bombshell info.
How did you know about this?
Peeked over my wife’s shoulder and saw the posting on Facebook a few months back. By God’s grace we’re eking out a Catholic life with the TLM and some solid Norbertine Priests here in Orange County, CA. I suspect there are many more masons who have infiltrated Hoy Mother Church, donning the mitre, or dressed in red.
Dear Alphonsus Jr, I watched your video of the “Crystal Cathedral”. It is a horrible and horrific thing. It is a cathedral to the glory of man and materialism. It’s clearly dedicated to the New Religion of Relativism, Unity in Nothingness. It is a testament to man’s hubris and denial of God and His Laws. It is ugly in every way. The architects I’m sure are very proud of their work. There is nothing Catholic, nothing Christian, nothing of natural beauty, truth or virtue about this soulless place – just the opposite. A perfect site for Devil worship. Blessed Michael, defend us in battle . . .
Dear Gladstone and all,
We found this more recent public declaration regarding the Masons, made by Ryan Lilyengren (Oct. 2014), concerning the info you linked above (which is from 2010) . Basically he admits he was one before converting to the Catholic Faith, but not since:
“California Catholic Daily,
I was recently alerted to an online post.. that made an assertion that I am not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church because of my membership in the Freemasons. I want to assure you that this is indeed not the case. For a brief time, years ago, when I was a practicing member of the Presbyterian faith community I was indeed a part of this group. I no longer am a member.
Since that time I have been welcomed into the Catholic faith and have dedicated my life to sharing the immense love of Christ with the world. I can assure you that I am dedicated to living and upholding the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. I trust that you will reach out to verify the accuracy information concerning me personally and our diocese in the future.
In Christ, Ryan Lilyengren, APR, MA
Director of Communications”
Thank you for this update. This is welcome news.
Dear Gladstone,
You’re welcome. Not sure whether it’s that comforting, as unfortunately the people he’s working for now may have
the same NWO goals.
You said it! By the way, my archenemy Placido Pax visited it today. He made this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aO0nOz4ffM&spfreload=10
While he may have cut formal ties with the Masons, the following statement of his indicates that he hasn’t really given it up.
“We see ourselves as a center point for many faiths to come together and engage.”
The only redeeming feature of the Crystal Cathedral is the organ. How I would love to play that instrument!
Dear AlphonsusJr
That may be due to the fact that “The smoke of Satan had already entered the Church” before this man converted, as Paul VI noted during his pontificate. Masonic/French Revolutionary thought and tactics so permeate modernist thought, that there is no need to go to a “lodge” for weekly meetings, anymore.
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These facts make blogs like this one, vital for getting the truth to people today. Lights in the darkness.
The great deception of which Our Lord warned, was to fool even the elect, if that were possible.
“Fooling” with deception, often involves close imitation of the real thing, with subtle changes that are not easily perceived.
This is why perseverance “to the end” in the True Faith is so vital.
What’s the difference between the “Christ” Cathedral and say the Staples Centre in LA? It would be good if the Christ Cathedral could also be quickly transformed into a basketball court or an ice hockey venue when needed.
haha! But a figure skating rink would be more suitable.
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I KNOW, I know, this is over 2 years later but just the same….,
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Dear AlphonsusJr,
Recently I went to a choral concert at the a.k.a. Crystal Cathedral whereas I would never have otherwise gone to the trouble of making the trip. The Talus Scholars are well worth hearing, even while the drone of the ubiquitous water fountains outside were an annoyance. (I had asked the attendants present if they could turn off the noisy fountains and they replied that no one on hand knows how to turn them off.) The concert was held in the smaller auditorium “worship space” (Protestant standard term) where the erstwhile Reverend Schuller had first conducted his “worship service” (ibid) which itself has an organ, if smaller than the one in the “glass palace” next door. This is where the local bishop is holding his “Catholic” Sunday services, while they await renovation of the “palace.” Such was the case over 2 years ago when this article was first posted. I’m making a prediction: This Will Still Be the Case in Another Two Years from Now.
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Why do I say that? Because I know a thing or two about construction and building maintenance and corrosion of metal framework, the latter of which is in full bloom at the Chryst-al Cathedral. When this happens to steel ships, for example (which contain larger expanses if just as many connections as the Chryst-al Cathedral’s frame does), they put it in dry dock and smear Naval Jelly all over it which basically strips the paint and corrosion wholesale off to the bare metal, which then is immediately rinsed and primed with rust inhibitor paint, after which is applied subsequent coats of paint to make it chemically sound. A fringe benefit is, then it can be given a cosmetic coat to look good. But that’s not an essential aspect of the process.
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The framework of the Chryst-al Cathedral is totally consumed with rust. The clues are everywhere you look. When the redness bleeds through to the visible surface you know it’s a lot worse underneath. It seems to me this was the principal reason for the previous owners to have accepted less than half their asking price for the place. The framework must be entirely stripped of paint, done in small sections, and as soon as the bare metal is exposed, a rust inhibitor primer must be applied immediately lest this whole process would be again required after a few years. No doubt the methods they want to use are under scrutiny by the EPA and liberal politicians in the People’s Republic of California so they’ll have to spend even more money jumping through hoops of red tape.
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Meanwhile, the thousands of square feet of glass must be protected from damage because if they mess up and let chemical etching occur the only fix is to replace the glass and there goes the budget.
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Not to be ignored are the ubiquitous walkways with a continual parade of etched granite headstone-like paving stones with commemorative recognition of the numerous donors, by name, who helped the erstwhile Schuller “keep out of debt forever.” (If he was so fortunate to make it to Purgatory the existence of which he denied, perhaps the contributions finally did him some good.) These as-it-were-permanent pavers are very strange reminders of the history of the place. I have a very strong inkling the terms of sale require the new owners not to remove or alter said pavers. The 1.2 scale bronze graven images of Jesus and the Holy Family are so entirely Protestant and non-Catholic one cannot overlook the glaring dissonance even if one tries with all his heart and all his mind and all his strength.
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When I attended the concert, I was amused to find a Hispanic Divine Mercy pow-wow going on across the mall from the temporary “worship space” and the prominently viewable “Blessed Sacrament chapel” next door around the corner, where passers-by can see the backs of people inside facing the shiny gold colored tabernacle.
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It’s hard to imagine they don’t have trouble keeping the children from running around on the grass mall in the middle and perhaps falling to crack their skulls open on the concrete borders or trip on landscaping lights.
How about this?
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Remember the Glory of Christmas and the Glory of Easter productions Schuller put on, complete with live camels and flying angels? Everyone thought they were great!
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The Newdiocese of Orange could put on the Coronation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, complete with flying angels!
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