Francis, according to Vatican Radio, has sent a video message to the Italian Bishops’ Conference third International Symposium on Amoris Laetitia.
The theme of the Symposium tells us everything we need to know about it: The Gospel of Love between Conscience and Norm.
The “norm” (otherwise known as the Divine Law) is one thing; “conscience” (what fallen man tells himself) is another, and guess where “the Gospel of Love” is to be discovered and lived?
Somewhere in between!
His Humbleness, for obvious reasons, begins his message by congratulating the bishops for their chosen theme.
He went on to say:
Love between a man and a woman is obviously among the most generative human experiences; it is the leaven of a culture of encounter, and introduces to the present world an injection of sociality.
What a flowery load of meaningless garbage, or what I like to call pseudosacral homopoetic prose.
Getting to the heart of the matter, Francis reminds the bishops:
…in the journey of marital love and family life there are situations that require arduous choices, which must be made with rectitude.
Yes, so many arduous choices. As Shakespeare might put it:
To adulter, or not to adulter, that is the question. Whether ‘tis nobler to suffer the embarrassment of abstaining from Communion or the outrageous fortune of mortal sin…
The rest of the message is full of Bergoglianisms:
In the domestic reality… Concrete knots… The concreteness of life…
According to the mind of Francis, the one thing that each of these has in common is that the “norm” (aka the Divine Law) does not always apply.
As for what does apply in such cases:
Prudent conscience… The primacy of conscience… the exclusive autonomy of the individual…
Just as one may have expected, in addition to quoting himself numerous times, Francis also quoted the Second Vatican Council as he elaborated on this “primacy of conscience”:
In the very depths of each one of us there is a place wherein the Mystery reveals itself, and illuminates the person, making the person the protagonist of his story. Conscience, as the II Vatican Council recalls, is this, “most secret core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths.” (GS 16)
To hear this faux-Catholic speak, one would think that God never uttered a peep about marriage and family, much less fornication and adultery.
Oh, he knows that Jesus spoke about such things.
The problem is, however, he thinks of Jesus as but a man. As I’ve written in this space any number of times, this is the Christological heresy underlying this entire “pontificate” – if you will pardon the expression.
His Hypocriticalness goes on:
Jesus points in particular to the medicine of mercy, which cures the hardness of the heart, restoring the relationship between husband and wife, and between parents and children.
The truth of the matter is, Francis desires that the entire Italian Bishops’ Conference (and those of very other region as well) adopt the same guidelines for implementing his Love Letter to Satan as those put in place in Rome and Buenos Aires; each of which discount the words of Our Lord and yet bear the Bergoglian stamp of approval.
If Francis were an honest man given to plainspokeness, he would say:
You have heard it said, “Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery” (Luke 16:18), but Amen, Amen, I say to you, Amoris Laetitia!
But alas, he is not.
Louie==According to the SSPX, Amoris Laetitia is not magisterium, so what’s your problem?
Holy cow my2cents, did they really say that??
I know little really, about the SSPX, but they hardly seem the “Defenders of the Galaxy” they were proposed to be lo these many years. To me they are just more honorary members in the Great Sellouts Club that has formed since this pontificate took off. Some people will do anything to avoid confronting this pope. Who do these men think they are kidding.
Evangeline–See Louie’s blog dated 11/8/17. It’s really discouraging for those who considered the SSPX to be the standard bearer for Truth.
“Flowery load of meaningless garbage” AKA; BS. So true , Louie. What’s with the leadership of the Church today with their homo language? I’ve heard priests say that at least 50% of priests today are gay. I wouldn’t be surprised.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on conscience : Conscience: “faith has been falsified and many people without any wrong intention let themselves be influenced by Liberalism & Modernism. That is why they are ready to believe that all religions save. If each man’s faith is according to his conscience–if it is conscience that produces faith–then there is no reason to believe that one faith saves any better than another, so long as the conscience is directed towards God. We are now being told that man does not receive truth but constructs it. Yet we know, and our intelligence corroborates this, that truth is not created–we do not create it. With truth there is no past or present or future. Truth belongs to all times, it is eternal. An erroneous conscience makes life easier for man, Untruth, keeping truth at bay, would be better for man than truth, It would not be the truth that would set him free, but rather he would have to be freed from the truth, Man would be more at home in the dark than in the light. Faith would not be the good gift of the good God but instead an burden”.
The Aggiornamento Religion is run by atheists in Rome and their episcopal minions scattered around the globe. If Francis, a public apostate, can remain Pope in both an ontological and theological sense, than I’m the King of Spain.
Bishop Bernard Fellay in Moscow – Fatima
Since someone from Poland brought it up.
Bishop Fellay, believes that the Second Vatican counsel was taken over by the evil “Spirit of Vac II.”
Otherwise Vat II is very good in the light of Tradition. And our “Dear Holy Father” suffers at the hands at the likes of Cardinal Gerhard Muller, who put a stop to the regularization of the Society.
So yes “the Apostasy of the church comes from the unruly Bishops and Cardinals at the top who took over Vat II.” Talk about pope worship for the sake of an agreement.
The link I attached below is a door in the matrix that has very loud knocking, yet very few open…why?
Why are we focusing on every little symptom of the much larger picture. We look at amoris lawhatever and other small problems … why? We can go on forever with all that nonsense stuff that never ends…
We are so in crisis. Our Lady of Good Success prophesied about today over 400 years ago! We are here. This is the scourging.
Thanks though, Louie, for standing out alone in the darkness shining a light on the beast. Persevere! You are brave and at the same time a beacon of hope to those of us who endure personal sufferings in this battle. Just persevere.
Oh, and shine a little light on this if you are called to do so. It seems like Fatima, as you know well, is where the root of all this lies.
I’d love to see you open this door and blaze your light on it. If not, these people did a pretty good job of it though:
Little Jacinta and Francisco were obliterated with sufferings up to the moment of their deaths, the 3 children saw hell and the sun almost crashed into the earth. All because one day a man named Pope John Paul 2 would be shot but survive? Wow..oh, and the 3rd child, Lucia, just went here and there gaily smiling about in her old age like everything was fine. Yeah, that’s why the Blessed Mother told her she would have to remain here on earth for a long time..
Everything outside Fatima is a distraction from it. God was speaking very loudly to us, and that is still very relevant. In fact, it is all that matters.
Excellent video, Cortez. You are right that “it all comes back to Fatima.”
Or, as Louie often says, “All roads lead to Fatima.”
Though I do not endorse the Dimond brothers, these videos are done very well.
So —- Part 1 of your video is posted above.
Part 2 here:
Part 3 here:
The are worth viewing. They are clearly a reality check.
As Cortez said before —– “the fake Lucia is the elephant in the room.”
No, to be precise, I think Cortez said, “the fake Lucia is the big, fat bugling elephant in the room.”
Well said, my friend!
I am new here but whatever might be the motive of this article, it begs the question by merely presenting the moral wrongness of divorce. The hotly attacked article in AL as you’ve presented teaches conscience is the deepest law of God for man, and only the individual knows what goes on there…
So if, and this is crucial, in the honesty of a clear conscience, with the guidance of her confessor, the subject can no longer resciend the brokenness of the original marriage because of several factors e.g. she has long been divorced, and had built a new relationship and her children are growing well the new family being well too, and she has long been stricken off from receiving communion, and she wants to go back to the fold and that is how her conscience tells her, communion being a very rich source of grace and could give one strenght against temptations, should’t she be given that second chance at going back to the fold?
Should she be forever stricken from the love of God, because of that one irreparable mistake called divorce?
The Catholic Church allows annulment and I could see a cery slight difference with it and divorce.
Amoris Laetitia is about love being greater than the law, and that is the message of Pope Francsi. You are sticking to the law and not being open to love.
Louie! How are you not utterly exhausted trying to interpret the satanic language of this man ?!?!?!?!?!?!? :-/
This Masonic / communist doublespeak is enough to make one’s head spin —— !
Pop Quiz Time!
Who said the following?
1. The Catholic Church has tied up with the Marxists.
2. The Catholic Church is associated with the Freemasons, Illuminati, occult, Atlantis, Mu, King Khufu’s Pyramid, etc…
3. The Catholic Church are a bunch of pedophiles who promote homosexuality
4. The Pope is the Anti-Christ and a false prophet
5. The Pope is a follower of Satan
You’d guess “Jack Chick” or “Alberto Riveira” or some other Evangelical buffoon, right?
Nope. It’s Mad Louie V and his sockpuppet commenters!
Continue doing the Evangelicals’ work for them, guys. You’re doing just great. Your patron Jack Chick is watching you from Hell and laughing his head off.
I see what you’re doing here /\ ….brilliant, Louie, just brilliant!
You are a lot like many of us who never really learned the faith at all. I remember the first time I saw the 1st grade Baltimore Catechism about 10 years ago. Page 1 just blew me away. I naively ran to the church and showed the old ladies so that they could teach it in ccd classes.
Anyway, one thing led to another on the long road of eye opening, and here I am just STARTING to go to the Latin Mass every Sunday.
Buy the Baltimore Catechism 3. I like the one through Seton Press. Ask God to give you the Truth as quickly as you could take it, and get yourself out of mortal sin ASAP ( if you are in it). Hopefully then His Graces will flow to you. It’s really up to you. We each individually have to make painful and difficult effort, but the Graces you will receive are priceless.
Here’s a small excerpt from The Baltimore Catechism. Buy it and read it.
Q. 1281. What is the sixth Commandment?
A. The sixth Commandment is: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
368. Does he who knowingly receives Holy Communion in mortal sin receive the body and blood of Christ and His graces?
He who knowingly receives Holy Communion in mortal sin receives the body and blood of Christ; but he does not receive His graces and he commits a grave sin of sacrilege.
Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, will be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. (I Corinthians 11:27)
Being free from mortal sin and living in God’s law is what our Loving Lord wants for us. We all have to make this choice, for God and all have to make life changes and a good confession in order to be reconciled with Our Savior. This is the True path to Our Loving God who made it so.
It is so beautiful how He loves us!
PQ, you forgot “sad”. Yes, I sure hope Louie is mad at the demonically disoriented destruction we are forced to behold since the revolution became “official” at Vatican II. But I bet his sadness mirrors that of our Queen who could only be sad as she spoke to the children at Fatima.
P.S. P.Q., behold your utopia: Cardinal Gerhardt Muller, “People in Curia living in great fear”. https://www.sign.org/videos/edward-pentin-national-catholic-register-evaluates-climate-fear-rome#.Wgxa2qDFEBY.gmail
Who said the following answered!
1. Pope “It is the Communists who Think Like Christians” Francis! Also just check out the who’s who of his globalist friends going in and out of the Vatican, not to mention all his liberation theology buddies!
2. Why… what’s this? Did a Catholic/Freemason Dialogue conference just happen this November 12th in Italy??? Hey, was it not Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi writing an open letter to his “brother masons” who said ,“…These various declarations on the incompatibility of the two memberships in the Church or in Freemasonry, do not impede, however, dialogue, as is explicitly stated in the German Bishops’ document that had already listed the specific areas of discussion, such as the communitarian dimension, works of charity, the fight against materialism, human dignity and knowledge of each other.
“Further, we need to rise above that stance from certain Catholic integralist spheres, which – in order to hit out at some exponents even in the Church’s hierarchy who displease them – have recourse to accusing them apodictically of being members of Freemasonry. In conclusion, as the German Bishops wrote, we need to go beyond reciprocal “hostility, insults and prejudices” since “in comparison to past centuries the tone and way of manifesting [our]differences has improved and changed” even if they [the differences] still remain in a clearly defined way.”
So members of the Church are actually associated with and working alongside Freemasons! I guess Pope Leo XIII who warned about all this happening in the Church was just a Jack Chick follower too! What a buffoon!
3. BREAKING NEWS: Paedophile Q says there was never a sex abuse crisis in the Church! It never happened! It was all an evangelical conspiracy theory!
4 & 5 *Citations needed… But let’s start with our Lord Jesus Christ Who said “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.” (Mat 12:30). And in order to be with Him, one needs to acknowledge what He said about adultery and divorce and remarriage. TO say otherwise makes you anti-Him, prophesying falsely that you’ll be a-okay for not listening to Him, and of course means you do not follow Him, which logically means you’re in the camp for that other guy!
Once again this has been another trip to Lala Land from the one, the only mad sockpuppet with foot odour commentator Professor Quack! Also an anti-Christ, a false prophet and a follower of Satan! You can quote me saying that about him as the answer for his next quiz!
Francis doesn’t understand what it is to be catholic, that much is clear. When we are catholic and take part in the sacrements, we are made less likely to rely on our conscience and more on our love for God. We do not want to offend Him. We do not want to sin. The sacrements and being true to our catholic faith as Christ delivered it to us, that is what forms ‘conscience’.
Francis is trying to be a replacement for holy correction, it seems. If he’s the permissive parent, he will be the favorite, forgetting that candy 24/7 makes people ill.
“and only the individual knows what goes on there…”
More often than not, the individual DOESN’T KNOW what is going on there as only God knows this and will expose us to our own inner hypocrisy on Judgement Day. The only people who might actually be under that little get-out-of-jail-free-card are those who are mentally handicapped and can usually be found in a mental health clinic under serious duress/trauma/abuse/mind-altering-substances.
More often than not, the individual is CONFUSING Conscience with what is really their own OBSTINATE WILL.
That is why the Church can only judge them on their external actions and never on their interior state which can ONLY BE KNOWN TO GOD! And let me tell you, odds are very very bad that 99% of us will not qualify for clemency based on grounds of insanity.
We can’t really know our interior state, and neither can a confessor, who can only judge our external words and actions. So basically what you’re clinging to is a criteria that is UTTERLY PHILOSOPHICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE! But as the Scriptures suggest that what comes out of a man’s mouth is a result of his interior, and likewise those who would love God would set themselves aside and OBEY GOD’S LAW. Christ didn’t care about the rich man’s internal constitution and circumstances when He said, “Sell everything you have and come FOLLOW ME!” It’s all or nothing. And whenever it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that you are committing external objective Immoral actions, you CANNOT APPEAL to some internal constitution that you yourself cannot even know it because as…
The Prophet Jeremiah says, “The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?” (Jeremiah 17:9) And Ecclesiastes 9:3 “This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that there is one fate for all men. Furthermore, the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil and insanity is in their hearts throughout their lives. Afterwards they go to the dead.”
And Christ says “For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”(Mat 13:5) “For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,” (Mk 7:21)
The Hearts of men are wicked, deceitful and cannot really be fully know. Therefore we can only judge actions external against the measuring rod that is the Moral Law given by God.
Conscience doesn’t allow one to CONTINUE SINNING! Which is what Amoris Letitia is ALLOWING – CONTINUATION and NOT PREVENTION of SIN! and then COMPOUNDING THAT SIN by adding SACRILEGIOUS RECEPTION OF THE EUCHARIST IN A STATE OF MORTAL SIN AND DEFIANCE OF GOD’S LAW BY HAVING CONSCIENCE AND PRESUMED IGNORANCE EXCUSE IT! And adding another collaborator to the Sin – THE PRIEST WHO GIVES THEM COMMUNION IN FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR INTENTION TO CONTINUE SINNING!
Even supposing the Couple would be that stupid to not know what adultery is or that their circumstances constitute it, their conscience would naturally be informed the moment they encounter the confessor whose job it is to naturally instruct them. But again, consider the stupidity at work here – THE VERY FACT THAT THEY APPROACHED A CONFESSOR AND KNOW THEY ARE BARRED FROM COMMUNION TO WHICH THEY ARE REQUESTING AN OPENING MEANS THEIR CONSCIENCE IS IN FACT FULLY INFORMED! Were it not informed, then it would naturally never have occurred to them to go through any of this!!!
So what we have in Amoris Letitia and Francis’ nonsense is simply bullshit sophistry of the highest order! It is simple A LIE!
And buddy, you better get informed as to what an annulment actually is. The Church doesn’t ‘ALLOW’ annulment and there is NOT AT ALL any comparison between annulment and divorce!
In a divorce a marriage took place.
Only when a marriage doesn’t take place can one INVESTIGATE to see whether it was NULL FROM THE START!
This is because God knows EVERYTHING and therefore if a brother and sister or mother and son want to get married, even if they are unaware of their relationship, God Himself always KNOWS and therefore would not sacramentally bind a union that is against His Law. Therefore upon discovery of incestuous relations, the Church would declare that the marriage didn’t take place and issue a decree of nullity.
The same for a bigamous man who tries to marry several unknowledgable women. God would not bind those adulterous unions.
The same can be said to an extent where one of the 2 parties is forced at gunpoint under pain of death into a marriage they did not consent to under duress of coercion, or where one of the parties was deceitful about honouring marriage vows from the start, or if the parties had a faulty understanding of the sacramental nature and thus had set up things such as pre-nuptial agreements that meant they believed divorce was possible from the start and were poorly informed. But let me tell you, this latter loophole bit only applies to a very very limited pool of people and the majority have all been instructed by none other than Disney cartoons and Hallmark cards at the least in the belief of ‘Happily Ever After’ and ‘Love Forever and Ever.’
The Pauline and Petrine privileges likewise apply only to non-sacramental marriages that involve non-Catholics and only under circumstances where the salvation of one spouse is at stake where the non-Catholic party prevents them from conversion or practice of the faith or would gravely endanger and force into apostasy or conversion those who might be under them, such as a nation of people under a Queen.
None of that applies to the 99.9% of adulterers today however.
Communion will NOT BE A SOURCE OF GRACE for them, it will be a SOURCE OF CONDEMNATION for them if they receive it unworthily, and BE A SOURCE OF CONDEMNATION for the Priest allowing them to take it in their sin and who doesn’t instruct them to cease their SIN.
Therefore it is Satanic drivel to state: “Amoris Laetitia is about love being greater than the law, and that is the message of Pope Francsi. You are sticking to the law and not being open to love.”
Pope Francis HAS NO AUTHORITY TO ABROGATE GOD’S LAW. God’s LAW is INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM LOVE! IT IS LOVE to FOLLOW GOD’S LAW! Love DOES NOT EXIST without God’s Moral Law which is meant to instruct us HOW TO LOVE by God who is LOVE ITSELF!
You are essentially contradicting yourself by saying we need to reject Love and the Source of all Love in order to Love!
Therefore Amoris Laetitia is about DENYING love and making Human Desire greater than the Law of how to Love, and that is the message of Pope Francis. You are sticking to Human Desire and not being open to the Lawgiver Who is Love itself.
Portion of today’s gospel.
Which came to my mind upon reading “corelct”:
“….Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For amen I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall be lost from the Law till all things have been accomplished. Therefore whoever does away with one of these least commandments, and so teaches men, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever carries them out and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
And also from today’s Mass:
“For there will come a time when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but having itching ears, will heap up to themselves teachers according to their lusts, and they will turn away their hearing from the truth and turn aside rather to fables. ”
-Hope your ears stop itching soon.
Now in my humble opinion Sr Lucy’s tomb should be opened, if she like little jacntia is incorrupt then we know she is the real Sr Lucy, after all Our Lord and the Blessed Mother kept in contact with her. Here’s a saint who needs to be verified, only question is will Almighty God allow such a thing to happen right now .
The true Catholic Church allows for true annulment ..WHEN a true annulment is warranted (which is extremely rare). What the vatican 2 church has been granting for years is nothing short of evil…a total rejection of the sacrament.
The word “love”, like the word “charity”, is a word (nowadays) that is used much too often without the understanding of its meaning. If I see you sin and tell you that its OK then I dont love you, I hate you.
Well done Johnno in taking the time to refute this guy.
It is you that does not understand Amoris Laetitia. And so does this article we are reacting to. Therefore according to logic you have committed a strawman fallacy.
Fallacies are far from neing true.
At any rate, looking at it from your viewpoint: “All and any divorced man or woman is at fault. And if he/ she marries another commits adultery.” This is putting a tall order on marriage. According to this thinking, all marriages must be perfect. You’ re in the clouds!
The truth is a lot of marriages had been mistakes, and since divorce is legal, it is the easy way out of the failed relationship.
This is what Pope Francis was concerned about. If all divorcees and remarried people are forever doomed, whoa! Only few can be saved.
And this is not Christ’s wish- that only few could be saved.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
1776 “Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man’s most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths.“
“Church can only judge one by one’s actions”- is philosophically hollow, behviorist flop.
So what Church are you preaching, when you aren’t even respecting Pope Francis? Church of what?