For those keeping count, it appears that a grand total of ten cardinals have now gone on record with arguments against Cardinal Kasper’s proposals concerning Holy Communion for the civilly divorced and “re-married,” and this in the face of widespread confusion and angst among much of the flock.
This means that roughly 95% of the College of Cardinals is comprised of men who are content to see in which direction the winds are going to blow in Rome before weighing in with a defense of the Faith; that is, if they plan to do so at all.
The silence on the part of so many among of the cardinals, in the face of what can only be understood as an outright attack on the Faith, tells me that many if not most of these men are committed not to Jesus Christ and the Holy Catholic Faith, and much less the children of the Church, but ultimately to their own self-preservation and advancement.
This necessarily means tiptoeing around the singularly strong-willed Bishop of Rome who began remaking the Pertrine Office in his own image and likeness from the very first moments of his disastrous pontificate.
Ironic, is it not, that this should be the case even as Pope Francis the Humble rails against clerical careerists?
But does it necessarily follow that those who are silent now, will not speak up when the time comes? Let’s face it – most of what has been reported now should have been kept confidential. Kasper et al are more cunning that the ‘innocent’ ones – he/they know how to play the media card – but I think the actual Synod will be a real scrap.
Is Cardinal Burke just going to sit there and not speak up? The good coming out from the evil of Kasper et al is that the faithful Bishops know what to prepare for! And the world being what it is we will know exactly what goes on, word for word.
Although if one listens to The Vortex of today the whole thing may/will collapse around our ears and we will have to really hunker down and pray as we’ve never prayed before.
The situation can be summed up as follows:
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
Slightly OT, dear brethren —
hold on to your hats { & veils,} and tighten your seat belts:
http://fatherpaulnicholson.blogspot.co.uk/
sorry-this should be the correct link & this should be the subject:
There Is Something Worse Than A Black Mass
http://fatherpaulnicholson.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/there-is-something-worse-than-black-mass.html
let us see if this works
Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that this nonsense should be coming from an Opus Dei priest.
Well said.
Yes, this whole Fr. Nicholson blast was a shock. He certainly is entitled to his opinion, and entitled to say what that is: but the horrible, nasty, cruel, outrageous, un-Christian, un-Catholic, un-Christ-like, un-priestly, unjust, mis-informed rant – WOW!!! But you know I feel sorry for Fr. Nicholson. He’s got a very high horse to climb down from.
Let’s not forget though, that those in Opus Dei DO NOT criticize the Pope – no way, no how.
It seems sadly ironic that Fr. Paul designates the conscientious objections of the SSPX against abuses to the Faith -as worse for the Church than the Black Mass that took place last Sunday in Oklahoma City; yet fails to condemn the far more devastating situation of a reigning Pope expressing delight at the “serene theology” of those who would invite adulterers to commit sacrilegious Communions at every Mass they attend.
It appears Fr. Paul’s column isn’t getting all rosy responses, for example, From Mornac — “…If someone who participates in a Mass said by a priest who does not have the faculties to say Mass and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
SSPX priests are routinely allowed (and welcomed) to celebrate Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome under the very nose of the Bishop of Rome. Yet, the Catholic faithful in the Novus Ordo establishment are routinely warned to stay away from this “schismatic” group and not to attend their Masses. Why the contrary messages? The devil loves confusion. It is his most prized weapon. Father Paul Nicholson is a product of Vatican 2 training. He is in dire need of prayers.
Has he lost his mind??!!
Where is the Church’s army, spiritual and temporal??: http://supertradmum-etheldredasplace.blogspot.ie/2014/09/from-friend-in-england-urgent-prayers.html?m=1
Lord, give your martyrs the strength and consolation they need. St Toribio Romo and all Christian martyrs, intercede for those persecuted for being faithful to Thee, both outside and inside the Church.
Dear Lynda,
Thank you for posting this. Gut-wrenching and horrifying as it is, we need to face it and pray for them all. God bless you and all these fellow believers.
It makes our other problems seem miniscule..
I guess we can mark Fr. Paul Nicholson as another careerist looking to score points. But he’s probably just stupidly ignorant.
If the SSPX mass is worse, then Rome and the Pope themselves must be bottom dwelling Satanists considering they’re allowing something worse than the ‘Black Mass’ to take place in Rome by allowing the SSPX to say Mass there!
Looks like Fr Paul’s closed off comments to his article. So much for dialogue and mercy and all that jazz…
Sadly, ISIS will continue on as long as America continues to underhandedly fund and train them. There’s no bloody difference between Al Nusra, Al Queada, ISIS, etc. They’re all members of the same Muslim Brotherhood supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United States of America. The damn Syrian rebel fighters own members formed ISIS and there even a truce between them. Who does Obama think he’s fooling by telling the American people he can only fund one side distinguished from the other? Funding ISIS is his intention! ISIS is a convenient excuse for America to get into war with Syria on behalf of its Saudi allies.
The Islamic threat is a creation of the even more Satanic elements of Washington. Radical Muslims are useful idiots whose sole purpose is to destroy and destabilize so that they become an excuse for American intervention. If we want to destroy ISIS we need to confront and destroy the elements in America that created them and have continued to radicalise and create them since the Cold War.
No use crying about Black Masses, when high level American government officials and presidents are running around naked and performing Satanic Rituals in the Bohemian Grove behind Harvard. The Prince of this world is not Islamic. It is Satan, for whom Islam is nothing but a useful tool whose members are programmed Pavlonian dogs on the leash of the New World Order!
Brilliant quote: “…whose members are programmed Pavlovian dogs on the leash of the New World Order!”
–
The evil little antichrist, Montini (soon to become the latest anti-saint), ‘abdicated’ Christ to worldly ‘powers’ with great ritual when giving up the tiara (representative of Christ’s sovereignty). Of course he didn’t really. Only a false-pope who has no authority to do so would pretend to do so. But this even before the poison of his novus ordo rites came in. It’s not for nothing that ‘novus ordo seclorum’ is printed on the back of the dollar bill – all part of the ‘currency’ of the new order (Novus Ordo) of the ages – that being an antichrist anti-Church ‘totalizing ideology’.
–
The Newchurch Pavlovian hell-hounds (on satan’s own leash no-less) have been implementing a totalizing ideology, bent on reducing Christian truth to a level playing field with the antichrist evils that are secularism, Marxism (false-pope Roncalli’s ‘Pact of Metz’ http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a007ht.htm) all manner of indifferentism, as equal with the antichrist falsehoods of Judaism, Islam, paganism and all other false religions and antichrist ideologies. The great pity is that most so-called catholics (clergy especially) are totalizingly on-board with this. Making examples of themselves to both Catholics and non-Catholics which declares that one’s religious or ideological ‘confession’ [to use Bergoglio’s word], is a non-issue – that God doesn’t care. But He certainly does. So much for ‘solemn nonsense’.
–
Pope Gregory XVI, true Pope of the true Church, in Mirari Vos: “Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained. Surely, in so clear a matter, you will drive this deadly error far from the people committed to your care. With the admonition of the apostle that “there is one God, one faith, one baptism” may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever.”
–
Jorge the Apostate, false pope of a false church: “I believe that religions…the many confessions, as I prefer to call them…[should] all work for each other, to eradicate egoism…work for each other according to the values of one’s own faith. Each faith has its own beliefs, but according to the values of one’s own faith, work for the other people.”
–
“Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s mind is not illumined by the supernatural light of the example and teaching of Christ. His mind is informed by the lies of Protestantism, Judeo-Masonry and Modernism, which, as Pope Saint Pius X explained in Pascendi Dominici Gregis, September 8, 1907, is the synthesis of all heresies, including those of Protestantism and Judeo-Masonry…He is, of course, an egomaniacal revolutionary whose adolescent manner of attacking that which he hates – Catholicism – is transparent to anyone who has a trace of the sensus Catholicus.” T Drolesky. I think it is transparent – by now embarrassingly transparent.
Over at the That those bones you crushed may trill blog is an excellent article about why the NO liturgical service and the Catholic Mass can not co-exist.
______
Here is a good illustration:
“It seems to me that what the Mass of Ages undermines is ‘the project’. I do not mean this in terms of conspiracy theory, but the ‘project’ that the Church has committed itself to since the Second Vatican Council, in which everything is the same, and yet the emphasis is seemingly entirely different, made in man’s image. We have heard from those who defend it and who promote it that the EF Mass has a Christo-centric emphasis – and emphasis on the Sacred that cannot be removed without removing the entire Mass itself. It cannot be easily added to, nor anything easily taken away. It requires nothing of the Priest but obedience to the text and the learning of some rubrics. The focus is entirely on Jesus Christ and, in particular, on the Divinity of Christ expressed in many different ways, through genuflections, through a dignity and reverence which is not translated in the Novus Ordo in quite the same way. The Latin Mass points to the things that are not of this world but the next or the Other. It treats the things of God with huge importance and respect.”
______
In other words, the NO and the TLM can not “coexist” side by side since it contradicts the logical “law of non-contradiction”.
Dear de Maria:
Having been observing this phenomenon of NO clerics simply going “bat sh*t crazy” at the mention of the Catholic Mass or the SSPX, it brings to mind the following scene from the movie The Exorcist.
_____
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roqHaEjDPzQ
_______
Let this scene sink in a minute.
_______
Does it not strike you that when Catholic clerics react to the TLM or the SSPX in a similar manner as Regan reacting to the sprinkling of holy water, that the root cause could be one and the same?
_______
A further thought. We never see the SSPX acting like those above mentioned clerics now do we?
There is a issue which I think is key to “return all things to Christ”, and can do it quickly.
_______
Today Fr. Z touches on it.
______
Link here: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/09/suggestions-for-your-donations-to-good-catholic-causes/
_____
There is no better way to help the Bride of Christ, than by “starving the beast”. 😉
And now for some eye candy!
______
Exaltation of the Holy Cross.
______
Link here: http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2014/09/photopost-exaltation-of-holy-cross-2014.html#.VCO-RVfDXow
_____
A sight for sore eyes:)
That’s a turnaround. Fr Z himself is usually the top charity after his own heart.
dear S.Armaticus,
Of course, it strikes one. The enemy hovers. Peace be to you.
I guess this is how pastors talk to their bishop in the NuChurch 😉
_______
Link at the EF blog: http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/09/untouchable-hippie-priest-in-deep-with.html
_______
Here’s the teaser.
“He shares stories, stories beyond those bag boys, those fag-beaters. He talks about the gay subculture he saw when he was a student at St. John’s, shared between teachers and students alike. [Many of whom were preying on their oftentimes minor students.] He mentions that one of those students had to move to New York to find some acceptance, only to be murdered in a Manhattan bar by another man looking to beat some fags. [Or maybe it was a drug deal gone bad?]”
_______
But I guess if you are on the correct side of the ideological divide, who are we to judge. 😮
dear my2cents,
Core that you emphasized “welcomed.” Indeed, and for quite some time. The enemy, in addition of course to the confusion you mentioned, of which he is prince, also nurtures culpable ignorance. I think such is behind the reaction to even +Lefebvre’s name causing an onslaught of attack mode verbage in even some of the most “conservative” trad folk.
Can the Cardinals not learn from the master and use a spokesman? According to Buenos Aires’ newspaper Pagina/12 it’s a tactic that comes highly recommended in Argentina:
“On September 27, Bergoglio dismissed as ‘unhappy’ quote used by Ratzinger in his Regensburg lecture angering a section of Islam. He did it through his spokesman, the priest Guillermo Marco, in an article published in Newsweek / XXIII. He said he did not feel represented by the words of the Pontiff that could destroy in twenty seconds the approach to Islam John Paul II ‘built in twenty years.’ The subsequent clarification that the spokesperson spoke in a personal capacity could only have an impact in Argentina, where the use of the word to cover up the thought or shirk responsibility for one’s actions has become a cherished craft.”
(Extract from Pagina/12 as read through Google Translate.)
dear S.Armaticus,
Well, i know this is just the inane ramblings of an old pre-1950 tradCath, but if I may say, one of the most heart wrenching sights when I was diocesan was witnessing a young altar boy stepping down from the high altar to prepare the “table” for the NO communion meal service to occur 45 minutes later. What seeds sown in such a tender soul?
heh, heh-very good, my dear salvemur.
I know – true though, eh?
–
Here’s another important sermon (given the continuing destruction by the modernists):
–
http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/Death%20of%20JP%20II%20-%20Bp%20Sanborn.mp3
–
The errors of Vatican II, have “destroyed the Catholic Faith in all of the institutions of the Church, whether schools, seminaries, convents, parishes…” Undeniable fact. The only places it hasn’t destroyed the Faith is in those not ‘perfectly reconciled’ with the errror of the modernists! May they continue to be perfectly reconciled to Christ and leave modernism to God’s vengeance.
Dear Salvemur:
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus!
Luke 22:31-36:
” ‘Simon, Simon! Look, Satan has got his wish to sift you all like wheat; but I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail, and once you have recovered, you in your turn must strengthen your brothers’. ‘Lord,’ he answered, ‘I would be ready to go to prison with you, and to death.’ Jesus replied, ‘I tell you, Peter, by the time the cock crows today you will have denied three times that you know me.’ He said to them, ‘When I sent you out without purse or haversack or sandals, were you short of anything?’ ‘No, nothing,’ they said. He said to them, ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and the same with a haversack; if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one”
_____
It’s time to buy the sword, my friend!
WHAT a gem you uncovered here:
“HE SAID HE DID NOT FEEL REPRESENTED BY THE WORDS OF THE PONTIFF THAT COULD DESTROY IN 20 SECONDS THE APPROACH..BUILT IN 20 YEARS…”
___
And here we are, after another Pontiff’s WORDS : “No proselytizing” “I am not out to convert you, that’s not what this is about” ,” praising the Serene Theology of Kasperian Sacrilegious Mercy”, Unity in Diversity -by the Holy Spirit without Doctrine and Dogma” , working to not offend the Muslims or Jews but clamping down hard on those “neo Pelagian bats” who cling to the past about things like the “old” Mass and cloisters and counted rosaries…
–Saying pretty much the same thing, :
WE DO NOT FEEL REPRESENTED BY THE WORDS OF THE PONTIFF THAT COULD DESTROY IN 20 SECONDS THE APPROACH..BUILT
IN 2,000 YEARS..
It seems that personal ideas that break with tradition–especially when articulated by Popes in speeches, cause much consternation-even among Cardinals. We thank God none of these ideas have been promulgated as Dogma, and pray for an increase in the number willing to speak out against error, at the upcoming Synod and anywhere else where their influence matters.
BRAVO!
Now at the end of their ‘career’ asking the Vatican Curia to discuss a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II must have been too much for them.
Cardinal Raymond Burke was following the Jewish Left concept of Vatican Council II.He may have read the appeal 1 of the Franciscans of the Sisters of the Immaculate asking him to identify a Vatican Council II with or without the premise.The appeal said to ask Cardinal Joao Braz de Aviz which of the two interpretations was acceptable.Also which of the two interpretationswas the Sisters expected to follow.He was removed from office.
Cardinal Joao Braz de Aviz and Fr.Fidenzio Volpi were always interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and so was Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Now at the end of their ‘career’ asking the Vatican Curia to discuss a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II must have been too much for them.-L.A
1
September 5,2014
Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate appeal to the Signatura with the following facts
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/franciscan-sisters-of-immaculater.html#links
Investigation against Cardinal Joao Vraz de Aviz blocked-Burke removed
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/investigation-against-cardinal-joao.html#links
Did Cardinal Burke decide in the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate appeal that Cardinal Joao Braz de Aviz and Fr.Fidenzio Volpi must accept Vatican Council II in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/did-cardinal-burke-decide-in-franciscan.html#links
Did the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate appeal to Cardinal Burke ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/did-franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate.html
Pope Francis and the Vatican Curia want the Franciscans of the Immaculate to interpret Church documents with an irrationality : appeal for justice http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/pope-francis-and-vatican-curia-want.htm
Does anyone have an obligation to criticize the Pope?
The truth is that belial has been worshipped officially by the “””official””” church since VII. Lord prevent the SSPX from reconciling themselves with apostasy. There are a wealth of authentic Apostolic sons who could prevent further ‘purging of the priesthood’ – if only they did not adulterate themselves to the ‘I’m OK, you’re OK’ bed of apostate ‘prelates’.
–
of every Archbishop alive through the diabolising of official ‘catholicism’ ONLY Archbishop Lefebvre made a peep -; Wojtyla excommunicated him whilst raising heretics to the Cardinalate. Wojtyla was an evil enemy of the faith like his VII fathers (alllllll the wayback to Roncalii) and like his current sons. Pray these miserable reprobates are seen by all for what they are and may such be purged, rather than truth.
Today’s liturgy of hours brings us some words of hope from St. Augustine. Since things look so bad, we are encouraged by these thoughts about The Good Shepherd Who alone feeds His flock with judgment:
” For what man can judge rightly concerning another? …He of whom we had despaired is converted suddenly and becomes very good. He from whom we had anticipated a great deal, suddenly fails and becomes very bad. Neither our fear nor our hope is certain. ….Hence Our Lord Who assigns to each what is owed him……knows what He is doing.”
=====
Thanks Lord, we needed to be reminded of that right about now . 😉
And one for the “no mercy for the Catholics” category: Bishop of Ciudad del Este dismissed. 🙁
________
Link on RC here:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/ciudad-del-este-opus-dei-bishop.html
________
Quick quiz:
Which one of these is not like the other?
a) Bishop Rogelio Livieres Plano dismissed for covering up a perverted priest.
b) Cardinal Danneel appointed to the Synod was proven to cover up for perverted priests. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/shock-with-appointment-of-danneels-to.html
c) Msgr Ricca who “showed up at the Paraguay Nunciature with his live in boyfriend is still head of the Vatican Bank.
_____
Mercy for me, but not for thee !
In continuation to my reply to De Maria on post #4 above, I would like to add that I believe that opus dei is the reason why Voris WILL NOT touch Francis, as things stand, apparently even if he were to say that Christ is not the Son of God.
–
I wonder if anyone else has noticed before this flagrant propaganda of opus dei in one of the “vortex” episodes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjIKZxfY6D4 (see around the 4 minute mark)
He describes “St” Josemaría de Escriva’s “opus dei” organization as “The Answer” to the problems afflicting the Church!!!
–
The good Fr Kramer fortunately has come out in public (in RT español no less) to describe the truth behind the opus dei movement. It is an excellent interview, unfortunately only available in Spanish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C88M7ZmNXwQ
Dear Armaticus,
–
Just a correction – Msgr Ricca was working in the Uruguayan nunciature.
–
The scandal of this prelate reached such proportions that the man was caught “in fraganti” together with his “rent boy” STUCK in the elevator (even more hilariously, I believe it was in the middle of the night) when they had to be rescued by firemen.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popes-bank-cleanup-man-found-stuck-in-elevator-with-rent-boy-29435530.html
–
IOW: Bergoglio KNOWS about the past scandalous behaviour of Msgr Ricca.
–
Francis: Hey, but “who am I to judge.” 😉 ?
More important to keep up with my hugging campaign
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pope_Francis_hugs_a_man_in_his_visit_to_a_rehab_hospital.jpg
Dear In Hoc:
Thanks. Should not try to too many things at one.
_____
With respect to the good Msgr, his suitcase was lost at the airport, and when it was returned to the nunciature, it was found to be full of hard core homoerotic material.
_____
But if your a friend of Francis, it makes it ok. 😉
And the winner in the “pope is not a leftist, but he talks like a leftist” category goes to….. the EF blog.
_____
Link here:http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-pope-is-no-leftist-but-he-talks.html
______
As the old saying goes; if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…….;)
So you are saying a marxist has the authority to teach his heresy in Christ’s name? or – we should recognise he doesn’t have the authority to teach in Christ’s name, but pay homage to him in Christ’s name? or it doesn’t matter since the holey toast of new church simply teaches, like Aliester Crowley, ‘do what thou wilt!’
Dear Salvemur:
You have to keep this all in context.
_____
It’s all PASTORAL. No binding authority. And the Hall of Fame popes even said so.
_____
Furthermore, even ++Burke can’t figure out what it means. Therefore, it can’t be anything that we have to concern ourselves with.
_____
And finally, please remember that this will all be straightened out at the future Council of Econ. 😉
_____
The gates of hell shall not prevail…..
What has happened to truth in all this context? Really -what is the point of the very teaching of apostasy if it may never be applied (anymore)? Thereby destroying truth received at all. This idea, that these Faith/Soul destroying Apostates should simply be treated as somewhat disagreeable (if that) brethren before the throne of Truth, is satanic madness.
–
Why dare to sign on the dotted line with unbinding pastoral evil? What was Archbishop Lefebvre’s complaint then? Why go into exile and get excommunicated for the sake of an unbinding suggestion?
–
In the ‘post-lefebvrian’ ethos of our times, an unprecedented time in the History of Christendom,most nominal clergy are purile cowardly satan-loving Christ-hating (through ignorance or wantoness – doesn’t matter to those who must descern the fruits) pretenders perverting all worship. When, the ‘desolation of abomination’ in the Jerusalem Temple, have there ever been such God flouting mealy infidels pretending to be ‘priests’? They have the full Truth – this is irrifeutable since they posit truth in order to sublate it with lies. They spend their lives and the mortal hours of those in their care, not only casting pearls before swine, but praising swine over pearls. Apostasy anyone? Just go to your local Novus Ordo; or “Coming Soon near you”! – SSPX Apostasy – family package. Hidden costs apply.
p.s. that should be ‘when since….the ‘desolation…’ Those were ‘these days’ according to Christ, (destruction of temple/judaism); it would seem likely that we have or are reaching the ‘those days’ (end times) according to Christ.
It’s unclear to me why Opus Dei as an organization within the Catholic Church is broght into these discusssions. After all, Bergoglio is not a member.
A positive description of Opus Dei by Leon Podles can be found at http://www.podles.org/Opus-Dei.htm.
Michael Voris might be favorable towards Opus Dei, but also is certainly not a member.
A relevant quote from the Leon Podles article would be “Opus Dei grants vast freedom to its members, which causes it to attract eccentrics who sometimes go off the deep end and must be asked to leave.”
If at one time they were members, wouldn’t Bergoglio and Voris have been asked to leave?
I have seen the images of the Society of +Marcel Lefevbre in a full demonstration against the black mass that took place on September 21, 2014. They look every bit Catholic … yet they are not submissive to the Vicar of Christ. They are Catholic protestants.
Lionel:
It is not the fault of the SSPX.No cardinal or priest has corrected an error in doctrine and so helped the SSPX and Catholics in general follow traditional doctrine.
For instance:
1.No one has said that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are in Heaven and so are not physically visible on earth.
2.No cardinal or pope has said. Since these cases are not physically visible to us, they are not personally known in 2014 they cannot be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is common sense. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a mistake.
3.No cardinal or pope is saying that those saved with ‘ a ray of the Truth'(Nostra Aetate 2), imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) etc are not physically visible to us in 2014.
4.No cardinal, bishop or pope is saying that since these cases are not visible to us, they are not explicit, we cannot meet someone on the streets saved as such, they are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.To be an exception they would have to be visible and personally known in 2014.
5.So many in the Church are looking after number one , even after being informed, and are not saying that there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
6.No one is telling the SSPX and Catholics in general that Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the traditional teachings on other religions and Christians communities.
In other areas Fr.Kramer has his limitations.
Fr. Paul Kramer infers cases of the baptism of desire are visible for us.So they are exceptions to the dogma for him
Fr.Paul Kramer:
Refutation of the Heresy of Feeneyism 1
Dear Feeneyite,
You argue as one who has passed through Alice’s looking glass into the irrational realm of the fairies. You stubbornly insist that doctrine of Baptism of Desire & Baptism of Blood is a “common error”,
Lionel:
Yes, when it is inferred that the baptism of desire is objectively visible to us and then assumed to be an explicit exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a common error.
No,when it is reasoned that the baptism of desire is not objectively visible to us.Since there are no known cases it cannot be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It does not contradict Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Fr.Paul Kramer:
and “heresy”, that it offends against the dogma of nulla salus extra Ecclesiam (EENS), and has been infallibly condemned by the Council of Trent.
Lionel:
To infer that there are known exceptions to the thrice defined dogma is heresy.
Then to infer that these cases, invisible for us, are visible, is irrational and a falsehood.
Fr.Paul Kramer:
If that were indeed the case, then what would be the source of this heresy? The source of this “heresy” would be the writings of the Fathers & Doctors of the Church!
Lionel:
None of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church have said that the baptism of desire is explicit for us. Reason tells us that it is subjective, theoretical, accepted in principle or faith, only.
No Father or Doctor of the Church has said that the baptism of desire is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a possibility but not an exception to the dogma.
Fr.Paul Kramer:
The worst propagators of this heresy would be the Doctors of the Church, — and the popes who have either, 1) taught it explicitly, 2) formally approved of it by declaring the authors of this heresy to be Doctors of the Church, 3) by authorizing this heresy to be officially taught by the ordinary & universal magisterium throughout the world (especially in the catechisms and the sacred liturgy), and 4) by never having issued any explicit condennation of it…
Lionel:
They have not said that the baptism of desire is explicit.
1.
http://abplefebvreforums.proboards.com/thread/2609/fr-paul-kramer-on-feeneyism
Did Pope Pius XII make a mistake ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/did-pope-pius-xii-make-mistake.html#links
Did Pope Pius XII make a mistake ? : implicit desire, invincible ignorance have nothing to do with extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/did-pope-pius-xii-make-mistake-implicit.html#links
Dear salvemur:
You are much too negative, especially with respect to the SSPX.
______
Let me try to cheer you up a bit.
______
Here’s one for the “a tale of two cities” category. Let’s call one city Eternal Rome, and the other city Modernist Rome.
______
Eternal Rome
See here: http://www.newseminaryproject.org/
and
Modernist Rome
See here: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17138645/20300-Governors-Highway-Olympia-Fields-IL/
_______
Guess which one is the “FAILED EXPERIMENT” and definitively on the wrong side of history!
_______
It’s only a question of time, my friend. 😉
And here is the Ciudad del Este story on EF: “Pope suspends bishop for being too Catholic”.
_______
Link here: http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/09/pope-suspends-bishop-for-being-too.html
_______
“Moreover, he invites the entire Church of Paraguay, led by its pastors, to a serious process of reconciliation and to overcome any factionalism and discord, so that the face of the one Church “purchased with the blood of his own Son” is not wounded and the “flock of Christ” is not deprived of the joy of the Gospel (cf. Acts 20: 28).”
________
So you first commit the crime and then demand reconciliation?
________
Catholic… no. Trotsky……. yes 😉
The Eponymous Flower blog is having a field day with this.
________
More detail
_______
Takeaway:
“The faithful Bishop Rogelio Ricardo Livieres Plano constituted an exception among Latin American diocesan bishops. Within a few years his Diocese of Ciudad del Este had flowered. In almost every parish of the Diocese the Holy Mass is celebrated in the Old Rite. The seminary of the diocese has more than 200 seminarians, more than the seminaries of all other dioceses in Paraguay together. Bishop Livieres was thus among the bishops what the Franciscans of the Immaculate were among the Orders. He showed that faithfulness in doctrine and liturgy brings great blessing. He became a bone of contention for the other bishops, who had very different “track records” to show. Large archdioceses such as Buenos Aires and Montevideo have less than 30 seminarians (see report Latin Mass Boom in Paraguay – Causes Pope Francis to arrange visitation ). “That explains why the development in the Diocese of Ciudad del Este was interfered with by progressive parts of the Church,” said Messa in Latino.”
______
In the church of Francis, success is not an option. 😉
Mr Crawler,
–
If you want to know the truth about the sect you can start by having a look here:
http://www.odan.org/tw_how_opus_dei_is_cult_like.htm
–
There are other sources; some of the most explosive evidence I have seen is in Spanish and I would be glad to share them with you if you so wish.
–
The sect, like any other one in the world, depends entirely on an image they have to sell to the world. For this purpose they’ve built a magnificent facade of Catholic orthodoxy – in a sense very much like Fr Marcial Maciel infamous Legionaires of Christ (both, interestingly enough enthusiastically promoted by “St” JP II “The Great”. That’s why to the unwary observer, the cult seems like a good place to go, and indeed attracts a lot of good willed, faithful catholics. But once they enter they encounter a different world from the facade they paint of their organisation.
–
Opus dei has different categories, or levels of what we commonly call in the world “membership”. These categories include “cooperators”, who are not officially “members” – a clever way to avoid yourself being labelled a “member” while actually being one (in the eyes of the world) right? 😉
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_membership_of_Opus_Dei
–
So as far as Mr Voris goes, there is no other rational/logical explanation as to why he would overtly put opus dei propaganda and saying that opus dei is THE ANSWER to the church’s problems, other than concluding that he is affiliated with the sect in some manner or other.
–
The reason why all this is relevant is that the response of many faithful catholics to Modernist Rome’s apostasy is seriously being hampered by Voris’ “thou shalt not touch the pope” hypocritical stance (and he is doing nothing other than toeing the opus dei party line there).
Dear Armaticus,
–
HOWEVER, not all seemed to be pretty in Bishop Livieres’ past conduct of the management of the diocese. He was protecting in his diocese a priest known for his notorious sexual misconduct, Fr Urrutigoity (who had previously been EXPELLED from the SSPX seminary first in Argentina, and later in Minnesotta, for precisely this reason).
–
Bishop Livieres smells to me of someone like Fr Marciel Maciel – someone providing a bounty of priests to the church, hiding an insidious corruption underneath that apparently “beautiful” facade.
–
I wouldn’t trust for a second a bishop protecting a public known sexual pervert (Fr Urrutigoity), no matter how many Tridentine masses he may have offered
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pope-removes-divisive-bishop-paraguay-25748857
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/06/pope-benedict-xvi-carlos-urrutigoity_n_5652293.html
I’m not sure how your excessive rhetoric helps anyone. You need to tone it down.
Meant for salvemur.
I think you should enlighten us about false popes: Can you tell us which of the validly-elected pontiffs in the Church’s history were false popes, and, especially, exactly why?
—–
When you say “false pope”, do you mean that the man has lost the ecclesiastical office? What authority (and I would think you need to cite *doctrine* since you seem to be morally certain) would you cite to support that even – if it could be proven – formal heresy divests a churchman of his office with no declaration or judgement from the Church?
—–
Dogmatic sedevacantism was never taught by any theologian in the Church’s history and is an intellectual dead-end.
The one constant about dogmatic sedevacantism seems to be that it always feels as if it’s driven by emotion.
—–
It is entirely possible to feel appropriate and just disgust towards the modernism – de-facto heresy, if, certainly, always non-binding (the clearest evidence that the Holy Ghost is protecting His Church) – that is the post-conciliar New Orientation without falling into illogical conclusions unsupported by not only actual, infallible Church teaching but by *any* teaching – by even the opinion of a single major theologian, ever.
—–
There’s going to be a book out, hopefully next year, about dogmatic sedevacantism, and I think it’s going to be quite a good one – the most thorough treatment of the subject extant, probably.
@James. My excessive rhetoric sure ain’t helping the devil – that creature who would have us politely follow his rhetoric (especially since the true Church is in an unprecedented state of war (and on that point S.Armaticus = the Sword of Truth saves souls – it doesn’t cut off people’s hearing). Some people have actually appreciate some of the comments I’ve left.
–
As an aside, have you heard of the latest Socci book? “It Isn’t Francis!” It is predicted to cause a stir in Rome with its claims that Benedict is the pope. The Resignationists will have a field day.
p.s. here’s the link:
–
http://novusordowatch.org/wire/archives/09-2014.html
Dear In Hoc:
First of all, I am as “zero tolerant” for sex abuse as any normal person. If there is an incident, then not only the sex offender should be removed, but also anyone who “enabled” (conspiracy to commit a crime) should also go.
__________
HOWEVER, the case in the diocese of Ciudad del Este is different. And it is different since the modernists behavior in this case is strikingly different than in the other cases where sexual abuse has been identifies. Case in point, there are 8 dioceses in the US that have filed for bankruptcy due to court settlements and lost cases in just this area. But somehow I do not see this type of reaction toward those clergy, and especially toward the modernist hierarchy.
________
Case in point, Cardinal Danneel.
This was on the RC blog a couple of days ago. Link here:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/shock-with-appointment-of-danneels-to.html
________
Now back to the narrative. If you read carefully, what Cardinal Danneel did was far worse than what Bishop Livieres did. What ++Danneel did was nothing short of “witness tampering”. Something that can be called “obstruction of justice” in the US court system. Whereas bishop Livieres “crime” was association with this one priest.
_________
Here is the text:
” What Danneels didn’t know was that the meeting, on April 8, 2010, was being taped, and Flemish paper De Standaard would publish the dialogue soon afterwards. Let’s go to the scene as provided by La Vie at the time:
At 3 p.m., the victim and some members of the family arrive. The nephew is surprised to see Danneels already in the room. He had expected to find the new Archbishop of Mechlin-Brussels, Abp. André-Joseph Léonard, the author of a powerful speech, on April 4, on the need to put an end to the realm of silence on child-abuse crimes in the Church. The others leave, leaving Danneels and the Vangheluwe nephew face to face.
Their discussion – or perhaps we should say, their negotiation? – is startling. The beginning is filled with coolness. The victim begins: “Well, I was abused during my entire childhood by my uncle Roger. Sexually, and, even now, morally; and I feel that it is necessary that I react, that it is my duty to present my testimony before higher authority.” An annoyed response by Godfried Danneels: “And what do you expect exactly? I already know this story, he’s told me everything. It’s not worth it to go through everything from the beginning, but what do you want me to do?”
In fact, the man Godfried reveals himself (“I’ve nothing to do with all that”) and remands all responsibility, past or future, to the other camp. In a completely rhetorical way, the nephew is invited to detail his demands, while in the course of the meeting the Cardinal gives him his advices. And these go all on the same direction: to wait for the regular end of his time as bishop, in a year, so as not to create a scandal that would be harmful to all; to move on towards a general reconciliation, after the bishop had asked for forgiveness…
When the bishop of Bruges and the five members of the Vangheluwe family rejoin them, Danneels livens up somewhat. The Cardinal speaks to “Roger” with informality [lit. “tutoie”], when the latter asks forgiveness to his family: “Yes, how much I admire you, you [Bishop Roger] are also in this suffering, not just X (Editor’s note: he mentions the first name of the victim), but him [the bishop] as well.”**
________
Far more serious, and the punishment meted out by Francis for this crime was…. appointment to the Synod on the Family.
________
Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.
Dear ACT:
Exactly.
We can’t lose sight of the fact that all this post VII novelty is PASTORAL. And all these modernists running around claiming that it is only PASTORAL is nothing short of the work of the Holy Ghost that is protecting the ONE TRUE FAITH.
_______
With respect to how we should react to the material heresy that we are witness to, I don’t think it is Catholic to separate oneself from the Bride of Christ claiming that we will return once She “somehow” has fixed herself. And I say this for no more of a reason than as Catholics we are obligated to perform spiritual acts of mercy.
_______
Just as a reminder, let’s look at the list:
To instruct the ignorant.
To counsel the doubtful.
To admonish sinners.
To bear wrongs patiently.
To forgive offenses willingly.
To comfort the afflicted.
To pray for the living and the dead.
______
And just think about how many of these above listed acts of mercy one is performing just by posting in this comment box 😉
______
PS B/t/w Congratulations are in order. Your blog was linked to by non other than Mundabor. My dear Catholic Thinker, that is definitive proof that “you have arrived”. 😉
One for the “you lose one, you win one” category.
______
This from Mexico City via the RC blog: “It’s a Trifecta: The Fraternity of Saint Peter arrives in Mexico City”
______
Please note:
“The past three months have been filled with blessed news about new apostolates for the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) in extremely important Sees.
First, the historic Collegiate Church of Saint Anne, in the capital of Bavaria, Munich, in July.
Then, the historic arrival in the most populated Archdiocese in the United States, Los Angeles, in August.
Now, in September, the official announcement of what had been expected for years: after years of only an occasional presence, the FSSP has been graciously invited by Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the Primate Archbishop of Mexico, to install a permanent apostolate with daily Traditional Masses in the diocese with the largest number of Catholics in the Americas, Mexico City, the capital of the great Mexican nation.
_______
S.Armaticus’s take:
My take is bit different with respect to the tone of the FSSP getting a new chapel in Mexico City than that on the RC blog.
________
But for what it’s worth here goes: the FSSP, and the rest of the Eclessia Dei Commission (EC) was set up to fight the SSPX. It was formed by break away priests from the SSPX who came over to Rome due to the apostolic consecrations that Archbishop Lefebvre was “forced” to undertake since the Roman authorities first agreed to allow him to consecrate bishops, but would not give him a definitive date. But back to the present story, the FSSP (EC) is being promoted to basically “steal sheep” from the SSPX. But like all “temporary constructions” the FSSP has a major problem, in that Modernist Rome will not give them a bishop. Therefore, the FSSP is at the mercy of the local ordinaries and the Bishop’s Conferences in the respective jurisdiction where they have their chapels. Therefore, if the SSPX were to be eliminated (brought into the fold on the modernist’s terms), than the FSSP is just one apostolic visitation away from the fate of the FFI and the Ciudad del Este archdiocese.
_____
Having said the above, I have no ax to grind with the FSSP. However, it needs to be pointed out who they are and the motivation behind why they exist. Notwithstanding the above, they do great work and I wish them well. I keep them in my prayers and attend their masses when I am traveling. And I strongly believe that the greatest service and act of kindness that one can do to keep the FSSP functioning, is by actively supporting the SSPX.
_____
Just like in that old saying; that when in Rome, do as the Romans. 😉
And one for the “The center is holding” category.
________
On the SSPX front:
Good news from SSPX in India: http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/stirring-words-and-colorful-views-india-4827. Fr. Stehlin is the new SSPX district superior for Asia (coming over from the Eastern European district). I had the pleasure of meeting Fr. Stehlin on some of my visits to Poland, and can attest that it was a pleasant experience. Please keep him and his mission in your prayers.
_______
And over at the FSSP:
Also good news. Taking the fight to Francis’s back yard:http://sfxmission.com/
_______
Please keep these two apostolates in your prayers.
_______
PS Ain’t No Stoppin Us Now!
We’re on the move!
Ain’t No Stoppin Us Now!
We’ve got the groove! ” 🙂
And this:
______
First, the 45 anniversary of the Ottoviani Intervention, the most important document to come out of VII.
______
Next, I think I have identified the next “apostolic visitation” candidate for Francis’s troops: The Dome of Home.
______
Another huge success story. Link from RC here: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-45th-anniversary-of-ottaviani.html
______
Paging Fr. Volpi. Telephone from Rome. Please pick up the courtesy phone. Fr. V O L P I, please pick up the courtesy phone. 😉
At Rome the news is Socci’s new book, in which he brings forward the evidence that Bergoglio’s election was invalid according to the letter of the law: which allows only 4 votes to be taken on any 1 day, Bergoglio was elected on 5th vote…therefore invalid…..this is his argument…
Nothing, yet, in English on this book, though….
One for the “the Germans are at it again” category.
_______
This over at RC blog:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/09/achtung-as-in-vatican-ii-germans-seem.html#more
________
This was to be expected, since the Germans were known to be planning this.
_______
However, with Muller and Brandmuller already on the other side, it negates some of the impact.
_______
Please keep in mind, the Germans have huge influence because of the Kirchenstuer (church tax).
_______
Furthermore, there is information coming out yesterday from Spain, where it is claimed by the ordinary of Cordoba, bishop Demetrio Fernandez, stated that Francis assured him that the rules for communion for the married will not be changed.
_______
Once I have a link, I will post it.
…. here’s the link. It’s in Polish, but I ran it through the translator app.
_______
http://wpolityce.pl/kosciol/215453-papiez-zapewnil-nas-ze-nie-zmieni-zasad-w-sprawie-komunii-dla-rozwodnikow
_______
“Bishop Fernandez: The Pope assured us that it will not change the rules on communion for divorcees
The Pope did not change the rules on admission to the communion of divorcees living in relationships is not sacramental. Francis had this to provide the Spanish bishops during their ad limina visits this year. This was revealed Ordinary Bishop of Cordoba, Demetrio Fernandez.
“We asked the Pope himself, and he replied that the person who entered into a marriage in the Church, divorced and entered into a civil union, not to receive the sacraments” – recounts Bishop Fernandez in an interview with the daily Diario Cordoba.
“The Holy Father said that” it has been established by Jesus Christ and the Pope can not change that. ‘”
Ordinary Cordoba decided to tell you about the conversation with Francis, “because people sometimes say that everything will change. But there are things that can not change. The church is accountable to his Lord, who is still alive “- said Bishop Fernandez.
He stipulated, however, that the Church should be more welcoming to people do not feel excluded.
_______
The above came out this morning.
Dear Roman Watcher–regarding the latest Socci effort:
Remember the denouncements of the Obama election on the grounds that he had no American Birth Certificate, and was therefore ineligible to be elected President? Currently among those hoping to survive his 2nd term while praying God spares us Hillary succeeding him- we are acutely aware that the legislative and judicial branches of our government have proven incapable of reversing the devil’s downward spiral– despite the greatest number of “Catholic” Supreme court justices in history, and a growing consensus that abortion is evil among the populace.
___
The fall of the Roman Empire suggests conversion of the electorate WAS the most hopeful solution at a much earlier time than this, while Divine intervention bringing about mass-conversions, or a Faithful remnant, seems our only recourse at present.
___
Enter Our Lady of Fatima and her urgent and serious words to mankind from God, about sin Hell, many souls being lost, and Divine Chastisements; along with requests for our continued prayers, and sacrifices, to bring about the Collegial action of the Church-consecrating Russia, which she and Jesus promised will be done-“in the end” but “late”.
___
We don’t discourage people like Socci from continuing to uncover and publish facts in the meantime, but are realistic enough about the powers that be, and what it will take to remove the influence of the devil from their thoughts and actions, not to put hold our breath waiting for technical rules to fix this.
___
Unless God does it, what would removing Francis likely bring us right now, given the apparent predominance of modernists among the Cardinals who vote? What would impeaching Obama do–given the fake Catholic Biden would take over for the next 2 years?
___
“Nossa senhora de Fatima- pray with us and for us”.
Dear A Catholic Thinker,
A book about Sede—any other details?
Mr. In Hoc Signo Vinces:
Is Mr. Voris taking orders from Opus Dei then in freely bashing bishops such as Cardinal Dolan?
brethren,
an approximately 6+ minute text & voice-over free break for holy leisure:
Every photo ever taken of St. Bernadette set to music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm7lYlNGOdY
Dear S.Armaticus,
–
While I agree in large part with your assessment, I would add an important caveat: it’s not the motivation as to why the FSSP exists that should concern anyone – of the many FSSP priests I’ve met, they are focused entirely upon getting souls to heaven – but rather the motivation as to why the FSSP is permitted to exist. That’s the worrying part, and you are entirely correct that the fate of the FSSP is intricately connected to that of the SSPX. At the same time, it can be demonstrated that there are good bishops who call upon the FSSP, not out of any malice directed towards the Society or in an attempt to weaken them by drawing away parishioners, but out of genuine desire to bring their diocese back into line with tradition. One example I wrote about recently: http://theradicalcatholic.blogspot.ch/2014/09/a-bishop-under-fire.html
de Maria,
–
Thanks for the lovely video. I have always been fascinated at St Bernadette’s gaze – it has this look of the supernatural, of looking beyond merely earthly things. Also surprising to me is her perfectly healthy look, despite the fact that she suffered from ill health throughout her life – no doubt due to her heroic faith, purity and fortitude.
–
If I may share this sublime “Ave Verum” by Mozart with you and the other people in this blog – I think you will be truly edified (includes the lyrics with an English translation!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UXLKmhd920
–
Doesn’t this heavenly music lift up one’s heart to God so much more than the banalities sung at NO “holy meal” services 😉 ?
‘yet they are not submissive to the Vicar of Christ. They are Catholic protestants.’
–
There cannot be contradictions, either a person is Catholic or a person is Protestant, There is no such thing as a ‘Catholic protestant’. To blindly accuse the SSPX of being Protestant simply upon the basis of the inability to submit to certain decisions is in no way a violation of the faith, unless you dare to have the audacity to accuse St. Athanasius, that Saint who stood against the Arian Heresy which even the Pope (Liberius) would excommunicate him for, as a Protestant in nature.
Dear Matthew,
I agree with what you wrote.
______
However, there is a “sheep stealing” element and it is noticeable. Besides, if there was not, the FSSP would not exist today. Please remember why the Indult was given in the first place: to let the old people with the “emotional attraction” die off in peace.
________
But leaving that aside, I do think that the FSSP is doing a great deal of good work, and the Fraternity is definitely in the “leading souls to heaven” business. The very positive bit is that they have been able to spread access to the Mass of All Ages to the rest of the church. They have had a massive impact, especially in the area of promotion of the TLM to the diocesan clergy. The problem is that they have been too successful. They in fact turned the tables on the modernists themselves. And there success is what most likely be their undoing. If anything, modernists hate success that goes against their “ideological sensibilities”. And this will play out before too long, if I am reading the signs on the wall correctly.
_________
As far as the good bishops go, absolutely. I am simply gutted by the brutal and thuggish treatment meted out to Cardinal Burke and now Bishop Lovieres. But the problem that the FSSP has is not that there are good bishops around. The problem is that they need to have their own bishop who can consecrate. And even if they had there own bishop, that bishop would still need permission from modernist Rome to consecrate. This is the most important takeaway from the 1988 “consecration affair” which Archbishop Lefebvre found himself embroiled. The modernists thought that they would withhold permission until the Archbishop pass on, and that would settle the matter. However, the Archbishop was too clever, and beat them at their own game. Frankly, the excommunication was a joke, and the lifting was nothing more than a face saving exercise.
________
So where does that leave us? Well, in a very interesting situation. If you read the Vatican communication with respect to the Ciudad del Este incident, you will know exactly what the modernists will do, and how they will explain it.
_______
And I quote:
“The Holy Father, in the exercise of his ministry as “the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity of both the bishops and of the faithful” (LG 23) calls for the clergy and the entire people of God of Ciudad del Este to accept the Holy See’s decision with the spirit of obedience, docility and an open heart, guided by faith.
Moreover, he invites the entire Church of Paraguay, led by its pastors, to a serious process of reconciliation and to overcome any factionalism and discord, so that the face of the one Church “purchased with the blood of his own Son” is not wounded and the “flock of Christ” is not deprived of the joy of the Gospel (cf. Acts 20: 28).
_______
And this is how the FSSP and the rest of the EC will be wound up. All under the pretext of a “fight against factionalism” and to restore the unity that was “purchased with the blood of his own Son”.
_______
And the strangest part of all this is that everyone will see it coming from a mile away.
______
And all we can do is pray for them, and pray for ourselves while we are at it.
Indignus,
I cannot agree with your despair.
Laws mean something…
In the Church, unlawful possesion of office does not constitute right to hold the office, no matter how many in the Church say otherwise or recognize as legitimate, otherwise n. 76 of the Apostolic Constitution of JP2 regarding Papal elections would be meaningless…
Yes, the same way a person has an obligation to shout fire when a crowd is under threat.
Dear S.Armaticus,
–
Agreed. I followed the Ciudad del Este story here on the forum when it broke back in July. I also posted here a translation of Bishop Livieres’ Open Letter “Information Regarding Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity”, which, though it does not entirely excuse his having chosen to employ Fr. Urrutigoity, does make very clear that he checked multiple times with the authorities in the U.S., in Rome – with Cardinal Darío Castrillón Hoyos, then President of Ecclesia Dei, as well as with the Vice President, Monsignor Camille Perl – and with the Apostolic Nuncio before proceeding. All thanked him personally for taking up Fr. Urrutigoity’s case, as all appeared convinced he had been accused falsely – something which no one appears willing to admit any more, as it is quite convenient to let the press justify his removal by casting Bishop Livieres as a “facilitator” to a “known pedophile”. It was, in all likelihood, his very vocal opposition to the Liberation Theology being spouted by his fellow bishops in South America which ultimately sealed his fate. Pope Francis seems hell-bent on replacing the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas with that of Fr. Gustavo Gutiérrez.
Dear Roman Watcher,
From your lips to God’s ears. We’re not above admitting if we’re wrong, and in this case we sincerely hope we are.
It certainly would be an amazing irony given this ‘rule-breaking’ papacy got started with the breaking of a rule.
P.S. We went searching for more info on this topic and found this report from November of 2013 which claims there were 6 ballots because the 5th one was thrown out. It also says the voting is kept top secret. So how would Socci’s info be able to be taken seriously?
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/search/label/Papal%20Election
I’m late revisiting this post – I work too much and have many kids, though not enough yet by traditional Catholic standards. 🙂
—–
I probably should not say anything further re: that book. I can tell you that recent editions of The Remnant & CFN give hints.
—–
As for Mundabor, yes, that was an interesting surprise. I was informed of it somewhat after the fact.
—–
(S.Armaticus, it sounds like your life is more interesting than mine – I am referring to your meeting of Fr. Stehlin…)