As some of you may have already learned, there are reports that Tony Palmer, the man Pope Francis called his “brother bishop,” died in a motorcycle accident over the weekend.
May Our Blessed Lord have mercy on his soul.
While none of us can say with absolute certainty whether or not Pope Francis had privately encouraged his personal friend of many years to renounce his heresy and to enter the one true Church, what we do know would suggest that this is highly unlikely.
Allowing for the remote possibility that he did, it would seem that upon death Mr. Palmer was filled with either one of two convictions:
– I should have listened to Pope Francis and entered the Holy Catholic Church, my Mother and Teacher to whom the sacraments have been entrusted.
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– I never should have listened to Pope Francis.
In any case, a man has died outside of the one true Church; without ever having had the benefit of confession and the infinite grace of the Most Holy Eucharist, and that my friends is a tragedy.
There are millions upon millions of people, also outside the Church, who have never had a private conversation with the pope. Tell me, is there anything in the Holy Father’s public discourse that might cause them to contemplate the necessity of entering the Holy Catholic Church? Anything?
The sudden death of Tony Palmer lends perspective to just how much is at stake when it comes to the deeply troubling words and deeds of the current pope. Countless souls are at stake, and yet there are those in the Catholic media who refuse to raise their voice beyond a veritable shoulder shrug.
If indeed the Holy Father’s private conversations with Tony Palmer mirrored his public discourse as it relates to the need of conversion, how terrible it must be for the pope to contemplate the disservice he did to his friend and “brother bishop” now that he has passed.
On the other hand, one wonders if this pope’s manner of thinking is so entirely disconnected from the mind of the Church that he is even capable of such regret.
Like everyone, I am sure, I grieve the death of someone who in this life did what he though was his destiny. I know little about him, but I think him a good man. I noted once before here that God will sort it out. Only God can since we seem to have lost the Mandatum given at the Ascension. We only know what we are responsible for on this side of that door. The particular judgment could only be balanced by God since we have made a mess on our side.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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Brings to mind the translator lady that BXVII supposedly talked out of conversion.
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In the immortal words of Mr. T: “I pity the fools”.
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Réquiem ætérnam dona eis, Dómine,
et lux perpétua lúceat eis.
Requiéscant in pace. Amen.
Unstoppable!
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/07/around-world-with-tlm-fully-traditional.html.
Dear Louie,
We don’t know if you have seen this, but we were STUNNED by what it reveals in just the first 4 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbEWw7l_Ek
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HIGHLIGHTS: Tony Palmer says he and his wife were summoned from South Africa BY ROME IN 2003-as non-Catholic ministers, TO MOVE TO EUROPE and work for this Unity through the Catholic Charismatic movement –They have SERVED under three Popes–John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Frances, who took the name of the Saint called to “Rebuild God’s Church”.
He met Bergoglio in Argentina and was adopted as HIS spiritual CHILD and surprised that after he became Pope, he even made MORE time for him than before!
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ON THIS VIDEO He announces: “We are witnessing the Unity of Christians by the Spirit of God, and NOT BY THE DOCTRINES AND TRADITIONS OF MEN”
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He tells of meeting Pope Francis in Buenos Aires, becoming his spiritual child, and HAVING MADE A COVENANT WITH HIM AND BEEN CONSECRATED BY HIM FOR THIS MISSION to serve as a Bridge.
___THIS IS WHERE IT GETS REALLY INTERESTING AND FRIGHTENING:
He tells of the origin in 1967 of the Charismatic movement in the Catholic Church at Dusquesne University of the Holy Spirit(opened in 1878 & in 1911 became the first Catholic U. in N.America-where in 1967,a few Catholics called in Pentecostal friends to pray over them after hearing of the (PROTESTANT) anointing at Azuza, in California, AND RECEIVED THE SAME ANOINTING, –with the movement growing to 200 million strong world-wide NOW..
(THE AZUZA ANOINTING):
The Los Angeles Times was not so kind in its description of the Azuza gatherings:
“Meetings are held in a tumble-down shack on Azusa Street, and the devotees of the weird doctrine practice the most fanatical rites, preach the wildest theories and work themselves into a state of mad excitement in their peculiar zeal. Colored people and a sprinkling of whites compose the congregation, and night is made hideous in the neighborhood by the howlings of the worshippers, who spend hours swaying forth and back in a nerve racking attitude of prayer and supplication. They claim to have the “gift of tongues” and be able to understand the babel.[4] ”
___” The first edition of the Apostolic Faith publication claimed a common reaction to the revival from visitors:
Proud, well-dressed preachers came to ‘investigate’. Soon their high looks were replaced with wonder, then conviction comes, and very often you will find them in a short time wallowing on the dirty floor, asking God to forgive them and make them as little children.[9]”
note: This is the same number found in the Book of Revelations–after the 6th angel sounded the trumpet: And the four angels were loosed, who were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year: for to kill the third part of men.
[16] And the number of the army of horsemen was twenty thousand times ten thousand. And I heard the number of them. .AND THE HEADS OF THE HORSES WERE AS THE HEADS OF LIONS and from their mouths proceeded fire, and smoke, and brimstone.] And by these three plagues was slain the third part of men… [19] For the power of the horses is in their mouths, and in their tails. For, THEIR TAILS ARE LIKE TO SERPENTS, and have heads: and with them they hurt.
____LOOK AT THE UNIVERSITY’S COAT OF ARMS
.https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dUQUESNE+UNIVERSITY
a LION WITH A SERPENT’S TAIL holding a red book under the symbol of the Holy Spirit.
[20] And the rest of the men, (did no penance)
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I am stunned as well. Even though I knew a little bit and suspected there was more to the story. I pray for his soul and hope that foul play was not involved.
Dear Michael,
Hopefully Tony Palmer was the sincerest of dupes and invincibly ignorant to the point where he is the very definition of the words and is at this moment in heaven. In case he’s not, we pray for his soul in Purgatory and hope for that as his temporary destination, as there is no other than those two.
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But this story is much bigger than our sorrow for this man’s part in it, as it affects so many millions of souls and for so many years now, with an outright conspiracy to undermine not only the mission of the Catholic Church, but what she is in her entirety. We know these gates of hell shall not prevail, and we are witnessing the beginning of their being completely revealed by God for what they are. This is amazing to us. We would never have viewed that video most likely, had God not allowed this motorcycle accident to occur right now, while Tony Palmer’s name was known to us by what took place at the Vatian and from Louie’s post about it.
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We see this mission of Louie as a very important part of the working of the REAL Holy Spirit today. Undermining and Exposing the False prophets and Bad Shepherds, in ways no single person could ever accomplish.
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Thanks be to God, and may the time of the Consecration come quickly!
correction to that first paragraph of the previous comment:
there is no other than those two that we would wish on any soul.
Dear Indignus, Michael,
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Even more stunning is what follows after the 28:00 minute mark. I transcribe:
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“Pope Francis himself is the one who is asking us for full unity and full communion. What is striking, is that he awakens us to the fact that the real communion is not the bread, but the brother. When he uses the story about the brothers of Joseph: because of their hunger, starvation, in fact, they were then propelled to Egypt to go find bread to eat, but they found something more than bread – they found their brother. And this, Pope Francis is saying, this is what we find in the true communion: we find each other, we find our brotherhood, we find our brother and our sister, that we thought we had lost. When we look for bread, which we think we need, we are going to find our brother, which is what we really need. We need to find that we are brothers and sisters again. We, who are not Roman Catholics, are hungry for the bread of communion, but Pope Francis tells us again that the bread is secondary to brotherhood.”
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Now, we have the exact words of Pope Francis as they were spoken in the recorded message delivered by Tony Palmer (R.I.P.) to the Charismatic Pentecostal congregation. What is unclear is whether Pope Francis actually said to Mr. Palmer – perhaps in private conversation – that “the bread is secondary to brotherhood” – which is one of the most scandalous things I think I’ve ever heard – or whether this was something Tony Palmer was reading into Pope Francis’ words. Two things, however, are clear: (1) Given the extent of their personal contact, Pope Francis had every opportunity to correct such an error of judgment in his “spiritual child”, yet failed to do so; (2) Tony Palmer was as far from entering full communion with the Catholic Church as was Martin Luther.
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The notion that we can have any kind of communion without the Bread of Life; that what Protestants are starving for is not the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Living God but rather the embrace of their “separated brethren”; that the Supreme Sacrifice of Our Blessed Lord is “secondary” to the sacrifice of “the doctrines of men” in order to promote brotherly love: this is the poison of he who “goeth about seeking whom he may devour.”
Dear Matthew,
Another nail hit right on the head. And what does “brotherhood first” remind us of? The Masonic French revolution…
How cleverly the devil thought to undermine it all with conspiracy after conspiracy, able to be uncovered and dismissed by the general public as “solemn nonsense” to use a currently popular term.
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Look how crazy this all sounds to anyone not up to speed on all the players and statements and actual videos existing –while these conspirators go about their work of destroying Christ’s Church and in the name of Peace and Unity and Brotherhood, RIDDING HER OF THAT HATEFUL, DISUNITING FACTOR CALLED DOGMAN AND DOCTRINE.
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THAT is why Francis himself is saying these things. Palmer’s Call from the Vatican, was not solicited by him at all–he expresses his surprise that it happened, and was pursued by the Popes. THIS is BIG verification of what was before this, only theories that may or may not have been true, and which kept us all “wondering” what if..
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God is using Tony Palmer’s own words, to speak the Truth to us all, by the “miracle” of video-recording. Let us not dismiss this lightly.
If anyone knows about the symbolism of heraldry, what does the red book stand for? (We could easily attribute it with prejudice to Communism)
and what we found online suggests militancy or martyrdom (red) and patient endurance (closed book) –which would lead us to the same conclusion.
The revelation of Tony Palmer–that he has served three Popes –JPII, Benedict XVI, and Frances, gives a WHOLE NEW perspective to the resignation of Benedict, and his definitive assertion that it was in no way coerced.
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It has been widely reported that Bergoglio would have been JPII’s immediate successor because of the high number of votes he had garnered, were it not for the deference the Cardinals paid to Ratzinger, as his close associate for so many years.
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So in stepping down, it could easily be assumed (without a contrary act of God)that the outcome of the next conclave would merely ratify that prior vote, and Bergoglio would become the next Pope.
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God knows what he’s doing, and is apparently exposing the whole thing, piece by piece. He is, after all, in control of life and death, and everything in-between–which is something conspirers often ignore, until it is too late.
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Tony Palmer’s testimony only puts the final puzzle pieces together a little more easily and quickly, but leads to the same place all the evidence had already led. We wonder how much time is left before the Chastisement, and if our prayers and works can still help mitigate it.
With all due respect to the man that just passed on (Lord have mercy) this video made me angry. Can we start a depose the Pope movement!?
It is a sad thing to say but all appearances and words from the Holy Father show he has so desire to evangelize or be a part of a missionary effort. Rather, indifferentism and religious relativism–just as B16 warned about–has now come to the forefront with impunity. The pope says he does not want to convert anyone and that those outside of the Church are just fine and dandy–well, he did not use those words but that is the idea. He has interview after interview with an atheist who runs to print it, and the Vatican does not deny it. He will spend about 10G to visit a protestant church (according to Gloria TV) but he has no use for the most faithful and knowledgeable of Catholics: those who embrace all the teachings and traditions of holy mother Church. You see they are the stumbling block to relativism. They are the stumbling block to a one world ‘religion’, they are the barrier to the total collapse of the moral order. For sure, the ‘vatican’ these days is NOT speaking the hard truths of our faith. Even though ‘the world’ loves the pope, it is because they can breathe a sigh of relief and continue their sin, their dissent, their heresy.
Lord, help us.
Dear JamesThe Lessor
We just went through the whole video, and heartily agree. It struck us that he would make a great star for an antichrist movie, chanting his mantras that brotherhood is more important than “bread” or doctrines or dogma, and the only sin is “division” and the only virtue is unity-with the mega audience clapping wildly..
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And here’s an even more absurd thought. Watch them tell us next he got a mortal head-wound in the motorcycle accident, and it miraculously healed.
False charity. False “compassion”. True charity is oriented towards the salvation of souls – period.
Dear Munda Cor Meum,
Three things. 1.- It hit us just as hard to come face to face with how far they have already taken this “plan” to unite everyone while by-passing truths that should divide us- you can’t even call it ecumenism, it’s just selling out and joining forces. It starts with let’s just be friends and talk later, and progresses to-let’s just work together and never mention any of that again. And finally, oh look, we convinced the Catholics we were right all along–no more division as long as the Church stays mute.
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2., B16 was one of the 3 popes Palmer says he was working for, at their request, so what were his “warnings” referring to? Were all 3 Popes not equally invested in the intrigue of having a Protestant working with the Catholic Renewal to accomplish this unity without any “home-coming”?
3. In Scripture God always steps in at some point to stop this sort of thing before there is no more remnant to save. It seems “late” -as Our Lady said it would be. So maybe it won’t be long, now.
Amen!
Dear Indignus. You’re right, his message is masonic. And I think you meant dogma not “dogman”. 🙂
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BTW. How many bishops ride motorcycles? I still have not seen any details regarding the accident. Was anyone else hurt? Was he hit by a truck like the Allman brothers? Was he alone? Did he just lose control of the bike? Was weather a factor? What kind of bike was it? It’s just odd to me that there are no details since usually the press loves to wallow in those.
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In addition to his masonic ideas, Palmer comes off to me as someone who is very worldly. He seems obsessed with his appearance. His bishop halloween costume looks like it has been perfectly tailored to fit him. All the very detailed facial hair gives him a slightly diabolical look. But I am admittedly prejudiced against him.
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BTW, he was into Celtic stuff including some symbolism with pagan origins. See his Ark website and then take a look at the description of a triquetra which he uses a lot:
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“The triquetra has been found on runestones in Northern Europe and on early Germanic coins. It presumably had pagan religious meaning and it bears a resemblance to the Valknut, a symbol associated with Odin.”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triquetra
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Yes, it could also symbolize the Trinity, but like I said I’m prejudiced against him so I go with the pagan symbolism.
“is there anything in the Holy Father’s public discourse that might cause them to contemplate the necessity of entering the Holy Catholic Church? Anything?” Short answer – absolutely NOTHING. Long answer, ‘in the spirit of VII Bergoglio was pushing out to the peripheries of the polyhedron of ecclesiology, in good ‘fake’ (sometimes calls phaith) that no one is able to sever themselves from God by their free will (read – there is no free will), no matter how abusive and anti-God they are and no matter how inconvenient that find His annoying commandments, doctrines, dogmas, and revelations.’
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As Indignus said, ‘Hopefully [he] was the sincerest of dupes and invinicbly ignorant.’
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Hopefully his nearest and dearest and those a bit further afield will
take the chance that grief and ‘the thief in the night’ lend to re-examine things and realise that while Protestantism and Bergoglio don’t, per se, deny their version of Christ (at a certain level), its overall aim (at satan’s eye level) is to dissolve Christ, which St Paul warns us is ‘antichrist’. What with all the Christ deniers and the Christ dissolvers that the so-called ‘bride’ is cuddling up to, there’s definitely a stench of adultery about – the signs are positively blaring for those ‘with ears to hear’.
p.s. “Let us pray that somehow, by a miracle of divine grace, Mr. Palmer was able to convert to the True Faith before being called so suddenly to appear before his Judge, who desires “all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim 2:4)…and keep in mind that Pope Pius IX condemned the proposition that, “Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ” (Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors [1864], n. 17).
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http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/tony-palmer-killed-accident.htm
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“How tragic that PopeFrancis doesn’t think Protestants are worth evangelizing.” How tragic that Bergogoli doesn’t think anyone is worth evangelizing. But then that’s the ‘spirit of VII’, the ‘spirit of the new ecumenism’. No one is worth evangelizing.
We might still entertain the faint hope that somewhere in their “long-range plan” of interactions with heretics or non-believers, while still on the bridge, they have in mind that their relationship will develop to the point where the “other” can’t resist wanting to be more like them.
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But what a poor and egotistical excuse even that would be, for neglecting to imitate Our Divine Lord, Who said, “if you follow Me, the world will HATE you.”
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This other approach, if it be that and not just a total lack of faith or concern, would require every evangelist to depend on his own charm and attraction, or even the attraction of his personal holiness, to draw the non-believer slowly home. How many would likely be lost during that ambiguous a process, or turned off by the faults they see? At the very least it’s a bad plan which deprives them of the rich foods of Truth and the Holy Eucharist.
@Michael Leon
–only additional details we could find :
-Bishop Tony Palmer, whom Pope Francis referred to as his friend, was riding the motorcycle when he crashed head-on with a car traveling in the wrong lane, according to Ian Findlay, principal of Embassy Bible College in Bath, England.
http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=171516
OK I watched the video.
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OK I am ready to believe that this muppet speaks for our el Papa Loco.
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And I am ready to believe that there are other nutcases inside the Church who believe this stuff.
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However, I think that the protestants will strongly take issue with the statement that we are living in a post protestant age. And it appears that their 33,000 different sects did not get the message and will not appreciate the idea that they are all “catholic” now.
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The rest is a bunch of leftist political platitudes, that would be called snake oil in another time. Nothing different than the “self-help” videos one comes across watching TV in the middle of the night.
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Pray for the confused man in the video. He really, really needs them.
sent this information from the Bath Chronicle. Although the article doesn’t name the victim, the reader–who lives in the local area–confirms that this is the accident which claimed the life of Tony Palmer:
Police have confirmed the man died at Southmead Hospital on Sunday evening and his family are being supported by a specially trained family liaison officer.
We can’t tell if this is standard OP or due to some mystery, but, also re Tony Palmer’s accident: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kathyschiffer/2014/07/police-seek-clues-in-tony-palmer-motorcycle-death/
“Officers are appealing for witnesses to the collision, which happened at 6.50am on Sunday on the A368 at Chelwood, to come forward. … A silver coloured Audi 4 was travelling from Blagdon towards Chelwood Bridge when it was involved in a collision with a motorcycle travelling in the opposite direction….Police are keen to speak to the driver of a Ford Cougar, which is believed to have been on the A368 at the time of the incident, who could have useful information to help the investigation.
Dear S. Armaticus,
This link confirms your point that (at least some) protestants will strongly take issue AND how shows how conflicted, and confused Palmer was, by the role he was asked to play by our Church leaders –in REMAINING outside the “Mother Church”
http://pulpitandpen.org/2014/07/21/bishop-tony-palmer-has-perished-be-both-joyful-and-filled-with-sorrow/
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“Palmer gained infamy this past February …
..the three of them had gathered to put into play spurious and mischievous intent. ….. it was time for all the denominations,… to assimilate back into a visible united [Roman] Catholic Church and “come home”
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…Tony’s true loyalties…. I am the only one in my own family that is not Catholic. …. As an Anglican I represent a bridge between the Protestant and Catholic worlds, becoming a Catholic myself would mean losing my ability to be a bridge, therefore I suffer being outside the ‘Mother Church’ for the sake of the Kingdom of God. God knows how I suffer internally when I am unable to partake of the Communion that I feel so part of. …’ even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table’… I have become worst (sic) than a dog for the sake of God’s calling…
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At the time of the conference, some people. made claims that this was the start of the one world religion….what should our response be to this man’s death.
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While not one to speculate or engage in conspiratorial thinking, .. It wouldn’t surprise me to see something like “To honor Tony’s memory and spirit, as a sign of solidarity to achieve his life-long dream, we will unite ourselves with…”
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As for the man himself- like any enemy of the faith that breathes their last, we ought to be both saddened and heartened by this news.
we ought to empathize with those in mourning. The Lord takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and neither should we.
___ pray that he repented of his sins before he perished and repudiated Rome and her false gospel.
___Heartened? Because a man who was peddling theological and spiritual poison is no longer a direct threat to the Christian Church….
___Tony’s legacy is that he sought to enslave us Children of the Reformation by joining us to the damnable heresies of Rome.
___…with Copeland, a man whose spiritual misdeeds and heresies are legendary in their scope and in their depravity..
___And .. he tried to … get us to stop protesting and lay down our bloody insistence that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ’s work alone, confirmed by scripture alone, to the glory of God alone. He wanted to marry us to a decrepit, whorish, Romanist bride who wears the six sessions of the Council of Trent on her tattered dress with pride and defiance.
___ In that respect it was *good* that he is no longer with us because his death has served to minimize the damage he caused in life.
There appears to be something of a pattern emerging here. Greg Venables, the Anglican Bishop of Argentina, related the following exchange which took place during Bergoglio’s time in Argentina: “He called me to have breakfast with him one morning and told me very clearly that the [Anglican] Ordinariate was quite unnecessary and that the Church needs us as Anglicans.” That is, Pope Francis does not see conversion as necessary for Anglicans to enter the Church. One can only conclude that, in his mind, they already ARE in the Church. (It is quite likely that he thinks the same in regards to Lutherans – we’ll find that out come 2017.) I am being uncharitable for thinking that Tony Palmer was denied conversion – and, thus, the true Bread of Life – only to be used (willingly, apparently) as a pawn for the purpose of subverting doctrinal clarity on both sides of the divide? Domine, miserere nobis peccatoribus.
Dear Indignus famulus,
Thinking through what you wrote, one could make a case for Palmer being a “closet catholic” (excuse the metaphor), and a “tool” of the conciliar modernists to set a “movement” in place whose facade would make it appear that was driving a coming together of the One True Faith with the 33k protestant sect. This explanation would go a long way in explaining his access to Francis. I would also not put it past the conciliarists, seeing as how they are trying to “play” the SSPX against itself. I.e. invite Bishop Fellay to Rome, chance meeting with Francis, and then start putting out rumors that it was more than a chance meeting and that the SSPX struck a deal. There are a lot of gullible people who will believe this.
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But my take on Palmer is as follows: he was a classical charlatan who made a living (and a good one at that) by creating a organization that catered to a “need” that the modernist’s desperately needed. This need was created by “undertakings” that Bugnini probably made to Montini with respect to introducing the protestantized service into the Church known today as the NO. Bugnini enlisted 6 proddie cleric to create this thing, that was supposed to act as the bridge to unite the heratics with Rome. And we see how that worked out:). So it will not surprise me in the least if these modernist muppets funded Palmer and his organization, if only to claim that the “uniting was afoot”. And they must have thrown a ton of money at Palmer to make it happen. I would like to see his organizations accounts. But unfortunately, just like with Bugnini, the proddies didn’t buy it.
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But hey, at least Palmer had a nice life. “Live fast, love hard, die young” as the Bergoglio generation used to say.
By sheer coincidence we came across this description in the memoirs of a Russian Prince, regarding the evil Rasputin’s first experiences with spirit-ism and his hypnotic influence over the Tsarist Court, just before the Russian revolution.
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We found it astonishingly like the description (in #4 above) of the first Pentecostal anointing in AZUZA–which spread to those who later took part in the first Catholic anointing in 1967 of the Catholic Charismatic renewal.
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He came under the influence of a priest who awakened the mystic in him; but his conversion lacked sincerity. He was soon drawn to the sect of the Flagellants or Khlystys. They claimed to be inspired with the Word and to incarnate Christ. They attained this heavenly communion by the most bestial practices, a monstrous combination of the Christian religion with pagan rites and primitive superstitions.
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The faithful used to assemble by night in a hut or in a forest clearing, lit by hundreds of tapers. The purpose of these radenyi, or ceremonies, was to create a religious ecstasy, an erotic frenzy. After invocations and hymns, the faithful formed a ring and began to sway in rhythm, and then to whirl round and round, spinning faster and faster. As a state of dizziness was essential for the “divine influx,” the master of ceremonies flogged any dancer whose vigor abated. The radenyi ended in a horrible orgy, everyone rolling on the ground in ecstasy, or in convulsions.
___ They preached that he who is possessed by the “Spirit” belongs not to himself but to the “Spirit” who controls him and is responsible for all his actions and for any sins he may commit. Rasputin was particularly well suited to receive the “divine influx.”
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He left his village after having been denounced by a priest; he was then thirty-three. He left on foot as a pilgrim, and in this guise visited the principal Siberian and Russian monasteries, In order to acquire a reputation for saintliness he made use of everything, even his monstrous sexual lapses, which he expiated by spectacular and terrible penances. After the fashion of Hindu fakirs, he underwent privations to develop his strength of will and his hypnotic powers. In monasteries he studied the Bible.
___ His earliest associates had been dissolute priests, more or less enlightened; but little by little he managed to get in with the higher clergy and with the mothers superior of convents who believed that he was “stamped with the seal of God.”…At Tsaritsyn he raped a nun, under pretense of exorcising her.
For anyone put off or left wondering by “novusordowatch’s” (link above) promotion of sedevacantism (which is constant – their use of quotation marks around “pope” Francis”, etc.), I humbly offer this:
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http://www.acatholicthinker.net/a-response-to-novus-ordo-watch/
Dear Indignus. Thanks for the links on the accident. I just keep wondering if foul play could have been involved. One of the stories says the driver of the car was drunk. However, if you ever watched any of the old secret agent movies (like James Bond) a drunk driver is a perfect cover story. I have the feeling that Palmer was a skilled and experienced motorcyclist and it seems like he could have avoided the car since it seems there wasn’t anyone else on the road.
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The 31-year-old driver of the car failed a roadside breath test and was arrested. He has been released on police bail, pending further enquiries.
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There is a picture that is purported to be of Tony Palmer on a motorcycle here:
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/07/francis-friend-and-brother-bishop-tony.html
That’s not a little scooter. If Palmer was on a similar bike then he would have had a chance to maneuver out of danger. The story I heard previously was that it was a head on collision. And yet the car driver seems to be uninjured.
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And the driver was released on bail after killing someone while driving drunk. If we are to believe the reports. Is that normal in England? I would think the person would still be under arrest here in the US.
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I took a look at the A368 in Chelwood in a satelite view provided by Google maps. It seems like a fairly major road although only 1 lane in each direction. And its reasonable straight so it seems like Palmer would have been able to see the car coming at him.
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It just seems fishy to me. Of course stranger things have happened.
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I also read that he had a wife and two childreen. We should keep them in our prayers as well.
Dear Michael Leon,
Given the known facts, it would surprise us to learn this was intentional, rather than just another DWI tragedy, with the younger man suddenly swerving in front of him-(likely after falling asleep at the wheel), giving Mr. Palmer zero time to do anything but crash.
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He had serious enemies, judging from internet comments, and people often do rash, and stupid things these days for vengeance or hard cash; but as there is no guarantee that running a motorcyclist down with a car will kill him, and the time of day provided plenty of light for eye-witnesses, and English laws provide for upgrading involuntary manslaughter to manslaughter in more serious cases, it seems an unlikely scenario- unless half a decade or more in prison was accepted as an ok trade-off.
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Plus UK laws against involuntary manslaughter leave open the option of upgrading to manslaughter for more serious cases, resulting in a longer prison sentence along with the felony charge. More likely a hit-and-run situation if “they” were serious.
Regarding the “Celtic” connection http://foolishnesstotheworld.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/fr-dwight-longenecker-on-bishop-tony-palmer/and what is the “Celtic Anglican Tradition” The CEEC website says they “stand in the Celtic and Anglican traditions.”
.. I suspect they have embraced a bogus historical theory that…there is a pure strand of British Christianity which dates right back to the Roman times when Coptic Christians brought Christianity to the British Isles along with Joseph of Arimathea who came to Glastonbury as a missionary… They then claim that.. This British Celtic Church existed in an autonomous way separate from Rome until the Synod of Whitby where Rome imposed her authority on this church. Therefore Anglicanism continues that same ancient strand of Christianity free from the dominance of Rome. The whole theory is… crazily bogus–rather like British Israelitism or the Mormon claim that the native Americans were the lost tribes.
The denial of objective reality – truth – in respect of Pope Francis by so many good people of normal intelligence (who would always have condemned various words and deeds of Pope Francis, by anyone else, before he became pope) is the thing which shows the striking diabolical disorientation most clearly. Blessed Michael, the Achangel, defend us in battle . . .
Dear ACT, this seems like a very good piece, after a quick perusal. Thank you. However, it appears that Errors Nos. 2 and 5 are not actually stated in the respective headings, but rather stated in terms of a response to/correction of the errors referred to. God bless you and your work.
Dear Indignus. Maybe I have watched too many spy movies in my life. The unlikely nature of the accident plus the unlikely timing of the accident — just as he gains notoriety because of his close association with don bergoglio — are just too much for me to ignore. Add to that the pagan/occult/masonic themes that are part of Tony Palmer’s background and you’ve got the makings of great spy thriller.
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Perhaps we will learn more about Palmer’s activities after his death. Just imagine if he had confided to his contacts at the Vatican that he was tired of the game and wanted to give up pretending to be a bishop and become a real Catholic lay person instead. And then the implied threats if he were to choose to follow such a path…
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I can almost guarantee you that Palmer knew a lot of insider Vatican dirt from his years of close contact with the hierarchy.
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Tony Palmer in his own words:
“Because of our close relationship with the Charismatic Catholic Church, my wife has returned to her Catholic faith and even our Children desire to be Catholic. I am the only one in my own family that is not Catholic. This is something I have to suffer for the sake of my Mission.”
Has anyone ever heard of Matteo Calisi???
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He is like the missing piece of the puzzle. He is the link between bergoglio, Tony Palmer, Traettino and I suspect much more.
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Tony Palmer says: ” Then out of the blue, while I was working with the HIV Orphans Matteo Calisi contacted me and invited me to minister to his Community, ‘The Community of Jesus’. So my wife and I sold our house and moved to Italy and have been working with and for the Catholic Church for 4 years now.”
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Link with information on Matteo Calisi:
http://www.united-in-christ.com/?page_id=2
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Matteo Calisi is an international leader of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church.
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In 1992, together with the Pentecostal Pastor Rev. Dr. Giovanni Traettino (Bishop-Chairman of the Evangelical Church of the Reconciliation), Matteo founded Consultazione Carismatica Italiana (Italian Charismatic Consultation – CCI), a joint committee of Catholic Charismatics and Pentecostal Evangelicals, which started a dialogue between Catholics and Pentecostals in Italy. Presently Matteo is Co-President of CCI together with Rev. Traettino.
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Together with some Evangelical and Catholic Argentinean leaders, Matteo founded the Comuniòn Renovada entre Catòlicos y Evangelicos en el Espiritu Santo (CRECES). This was the first joint statement in the history of the dialogue between Catholics and Evangelicals in Argentina and obtained a great support by Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Metropolitan Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Primate of the Catholic Church in Argentina and President of Bishops’ Conference of Argentina.
We followed your link on Matteo Calisi, and found some interesting connections here that seem rather complicated, which we don’t have time to follow up on right now:.
the source was under the heading: ACTIVITIES of the Community of Jesus (near the bottom of the linked page) If someone has time, here are the leads:
in Russia: FR. STEPHANO CAPRIO,(Ousted by the Russian Gvt,) why the name caught our attention. That led to the following:
http://www.traces-cl.com/2009E/06/fromrussia.html
FR. GUISSANI, FR. SCALFI, COMMUNION AND LIBERATION, and ITS SUPPORT FOR BERLUSCONI (sentenced for tax evasion, banned from office for years) , .. in 1993. Since then, the movement has been highly supportive of Silvio Berlusconi, first under the umbrella of a small party called The United Christian Democrats, then (after 1998) directly within Forza Italia, later revamped into the People of Freedom. Roberto Formigoni, one of the group’s most influential members, was elected Regional President of Lombardy in 1995 as the candidate of a right-wing coalition.
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Fr. Stefano Caprio (attached to the Italian embassy in Russia) later ousted.
This article talks about the community he and another priest Fr. Giussani, known for his “charism of Liberation Theology” began a community in Russia, had apparently had some close connection with a bishop and the 4 new Dioceses John Paul II was trying to set up.
‘Nothing could have been more inviting for Fr. Giussani, who had been fascinated by the Russian tradition ever since his seminary days; and so it was that in May 1992 the first house of the Memores Domini was opened.
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The group would secretly study the texts of Fr. Giussani Called the “school of community”….
Fr. Romano Scalfi and his collaborators of Russia Cristiana. In the 1960s, they had begun to go across the Iron Curtain to meet the “Eastern brothers,” on the pretext of work or study.
—the Spirit Library–and cultural center in the heart of the metropolis, was conceived by Fr. Scalfi and Fr. Giussani as a point of unity and dialogue with anyone and everyone.
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in Moscow,… “This is accepting someone and loving them.” one of them said, WHO’D HAVE THOUGHT THAT GOD AND FREUD COULD AGREE?’”
“IT MAY SEEM PARADOXICAL, BUT ..GIUSSANI WHO HAD ME REDISCOVER THE ORTHODOX CHURCH.” IN FACT, THE UNITY LIVED IN THIS COMPANIONSHIP (there are a dozen Orthodox in the CL community) OVERCOMES THE WOUNDS AND DIVISIONS THAT STILL EXIST.
Re a mixed marriage: “If we follow Christ, we follow one way towards the same goal.”
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Fr. Alexandr Men’, the Orthodox priest murdered by unknown culprits in 1990, who always offered his life “so that they all may be one.”
He was one of the fathers of the religious rebirth in the Soviet Union who, by means of the young people of Russia Cristiana and the first clandestine publications of Fr. Giussani’s writings in Russian, HAD COME TO KNOW THE CHARISM OF COMMUNION AND LIBERATION.
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Shortly before his death, he wrote a postscript to the Russian edition of The Religious Sense. I understood that Christ was coming towards me right there, where I was. I was and am Orthodox
. Lots of leads here, but it all points towards Church-sponsored indifferentism,
just Love Jesus, Unite, and forget about the rest.
P.S. One thing is becoming pretty clear here. While we’re all listening to Our Lady, making sacrifices, and suffering, the people working for the Pope from the 1960 and on, in Russia, were working against Conversion of anyone.
They were already promoting this one world unity garbage.
It’s no wonder, they refused to Consecrate Russia. Bringing about her conversion would throw a monkey-wrench right into the heart of the evil machine they were trying to build.—which, according to Tony Palmer is now more than 200 million strong.
Hi Lynda,
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Yes, I used the headings from the original guide but did not replicate the arguments themselves – that was intentional. It’s probably long enough as it is. 🙂 I intended the reader to reference the article itself.
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(And thanks for the compliment.)
You’re welcome, ACT. I think you misunderstood my point – which is that at Nos. 2 and 5 of the Errors listed, you did not cite the actual error but the correction of the Error. E.g. at No. 5 you put the error as being that one does not have to assent to Vatican II, but surely the Error is that “one has to assent to Vatican II”?
The “Errors” I’m quoting are the “Errors” outlined in the NOWatch document, quoted verbatim – these are what *they* call errors, and what I demonstrate are *not* errors. (This is the case for all the section headings; it is consistent.)
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I see how this can be a bit confusing – perhaps I should quote those headings to make it more apparent that those statements are not mine. However, reading the NOWatch document first probably makes the whole thing read clearly.
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Thank you much for the feedback.
Surely the errors are that: Vatican Council II demands assent; and we cannot ignore what Pope Francis says in the Media?? Am I wrong?
Has anyone seen anything about a funeral for Palmer? Or a statement by the Pope on his death? I did a quick search and could find nothing. It’s been 6 days and there are no funeral plans??? Something just doesn’t add up here. I came across a video of someone calling the hospital where Palmer was taken, and the switchboard operator told them that he had been discharged… alive. There were a couple different recorded calls, all saying the same thing. I know this is conspiracy-type stuff, but I find it interesting. Here is the video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlDfL2kjUsQ
As I watched the video, I noticed Pope Francis’ underlying message to come into the One True Catholic Church. After Pope Francis’ comment about loving our Lord first and are brother, “…with these two rules we can go ahead.” We must believe that Pope Francis sincere belief in the Eucharist, along with all the sacraments, is in the end, is his main objective to teach to those outside the Church.
The Pope in no way led me to believe he was saying there is salvation outside the Church. Instead, I got the impression he was giving protestants a chance to come into the True Church of Christ. He was opening a door of reconciliation in my view.
May God bless Pope Francis and Tony Palmer. God will finish this miracle well. He will someday, bring protestants into the true saving power of Christ by keeping in right-relationship with God through the sacraments, Jesus Our Lord, left to us.
I also want to add, after exchanging emails with Tony, Tony did believe unity would be achieved through the Eucharist. It was my first confirmation I wanted to clarify, and he agreed.
“Unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood, you have no life in you.”
I don’t understand. How did the thief on the cross go to Heaven when he asked Jesus Christ to remember him. How was Dvid, Moses, Noah, Or Abraham saved. Did not God say that Abraham “believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.” in Genesis 15:6. What does Ephesians 2:8-9 say? How were they of the “Catholic” church? I am just trying to understand because many of the comments I see I don’t recognize in the Bible at all. So if one is saved in the Eucharist, how many times does one have to do that? ONce in their entire life? Weekly, daily, or monthly? I have also never read of a single verse that talks about something called purgatory. What is that? What’s the Bible verse that God says there is one and you can get out of it. I’m also don’t understand how that can be true because what would Jesus have died for then? If he died for our sin, why are we still guilty if our sin was put upon our Lord? If God gave salvation by faith as a gift, how come we still have to earn it or have it taken away? Even I don’t do that with my children, why would God? What was the meaning of the Passover in the Old Testament? Why was it an unblemished lamb that had to be sacrificed so the angel of death would “Passover them”? It was a picture of the sacrifice of our sinless savior Christ. In Romans 10:9 it says “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” So which is it? So if I do confess the Lord Jesus and do believe he was raised from the dead that I’m now not saved? If God cannot lie, how could this not be true then? Why do I have to become Catholic? Why do I have to do the Sacraments to be saved when God tells me that I am saved y faith in Jesus Christ? Even Romans 10:13 says “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” I don’t know what all Tony Palmer believed. But the comments I see hear I don’t understand at all. If the Eucharist is the “literal” flesh and the wine is the “literal” blood of Christ, I challenge any one of you to take it to a lab and have it tested. Is it flesh and blood or still bread and wine? I’m serious. It still looks like a bread wafer to me. In addition in Hebrews 9: 28 it says “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
So why would Christ have to be crucified again in the Eucharist? Why did Christ say do this in “remembrance” of me? The entire Bible is about Jesus Christ. How can joining the Church save anyone? So if I join the Catholic Church and do the sacraments etc but have no faith at all does that mean I get to go to heaven because I was in the church so to speak? If not, then which is it? Am I saved by being Catholic or by faith in Christ? When does a man be born again as Jesus says we must do to go to heaven? In John 3:3 it says “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” So if I get born again can I be unborn? If I’m born I’m born. It’s all about Christ and what he did. Is Jesus Christ not God? He is and if so, it is him I should follow and trust. The Gospel is stated clearly in 1 Corinthians 15 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
So this again preaches Christ. So should I preach Christ or the Catholic Church as the Gospel. Which should I tell them to have faith in? The Bible says it’s clearly Christ. I really don’t understand the other comments. Either I am saved by faith or works. Didn’t Christ condemn even the Pharisees for them thinking they were righteous by their own religious activities? The Bible says it’s simply by faith in Christ. It just does not sound at all like that’s what most comments are about and people believe in. So I had to ask as this sounds so different than the Bible I read and my uncle was a priest so it’s not like I don’t know anything Catholic. Thanks for letting me ask about this and say what the Bible says.