Apparently, it is necessary to revisit yesterday’s post given the number of people who are clearly confused (limited not only to commenters here, but also on social media).
Several commenters have suggested that the Society’s silence concerning their position on Amoris Laetitia, for any number of reasons, is an exercise in prudence. Those persons haven’t been paying attention.
The SSPX has been anything but “silent” on that dreadful and uniquely dangerous text.
Society leadership obviously understands that Amoris Laetitia represents a grave danger to souls; so much so that the decision was made roughly one year ago to make known to the faithful at large its position on the text.
This was provided last spring by Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize via his six part series of articles, which ultimately concluded that the text is not heretical, but simply favors heresy.
Incidentally, folks, I was only able to report as much to you last spring because I queried the U.S. District House on the matter, asking (and I quote):
Do Fr. Gleize’s conclusions reflect the position of the Society of St. Pius X and its leadership, most notably Bishop Fellay?
The response given, in relatively short order, was unambiguous:
Yes, Fr. Gleize reflects the SSPX’s position in front of the errors and scandals of the present pontificate.
NB: The SSPX has communications operations and personnel, both here and in Menzingen, for precisely this reason; to provide clarity on important matters concerning faith and morals.
Frequently this is done in collaboration with their contacts in Catholic media.
While I number certain of the Society’s communications personnel among my friends (and that has not changed one iota), there is nothing personal about any of this. It’s about informing the faithful on matters of great importance.
So, let’s be very clear:
The SSPX has already gone to great lengths to state and to confirm its official position on Amoris Laetitia, and given the danger that this text represents, it is well that they have.
Since Fr. Gleize’s articles were published last year, however, two very important things have happened:
- The Superior General of the Society has taken a public position on Amoris Laetitia (via his signature on the Filial Correction) that goes much further than what was confirmed as the Society’s official position last spring. In fact, these two positions are irreconcilable.
Recall my initial request for clarity:
Do Fr. Gleize’s conclusions reflect the position of the Society of St. Pius X and its leadership, most notably Bishop Fellay?
Again, let’s be very clear: Two disparate positions on Amoris Laetitia have been published in full view of the faithful; each one appearing to be the position of the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, and by extension, the SSPX itself.
What are we to make of this?
HINT: Think principle of non-contradiction; i.e., it can’t be both.
This is a problem, and a simple request sent to the Society’s communications staff asking for clarity as to which should be trusted as its current position didn’t create that problem.
Look, I get it. Some persons don’t think it matters. Others simply don’t know enough to care either way. Others still just want things to be pleasant; even if that means ignoring the elephants in the room.
I happen to think that it’s very important for the faithful to know with certainty where the SSPX stands on this matter. (Seriously, where else might one look for clarity these days?)
What’s more, the simple fact that Fr. Gleize was commissioned to write thousands of words explaining the Society’s position back in the spring is a sure sign that the SSPX also thinks (or at least thought) that it’s important for the faithful to know.
- Since Fr. Gleize’s articles were published, the Buenos Aires bishops’ guidelines for Amoris Laetitia, and Francis’ letter to them in response (“there are no other interpretations”) have been published in the AAS at his order, which plainly describes these items as “authentic magisterium.”
Never mind whether or not one does well to consider them as much, the important thing to note is Francis’ intent.
This development severely undermines Fr. Gleize’s position, as it was based in large measure on the following (as quoted from Part 5 of his series):
Chapter Eight of Amoris laetitia is defined, like the others, by the fundamental intention assigned by the Pope to the whole text of the Exhortation, which is “to gather the contributions of the two recent Synods on the family, while adding other considerations as an aid to reflection, dialogue and pastoral practice” (paragraph no. 4). Therefore we find here neither more nor less than matter for reflection, dialogue and practice. That is not material for clear-cut denial or calling into question.
Allow me to translate: Since Francis intends only to offer material for reflection as opposed to providing teaching (“authentic magisterium”), the erroneous parts of Amoris Laetitia cannot be considered heresy (“clear-cut denial or calling into question” that which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.)
We now know, without any doubt whatsoever, that this is not the case. Therefore, Fr. Gleize’s conclusions no longer hold water.
Even if Bishop Fellay had never signed the Filial Correction, the Society would still owe it to the faithful to clarify its position in light of this rather recent development out of Rome.
The days of prudent silence have passed, folks. Not because I say so, but because the SSPX has already tossed its biretta in the ring – nay, make that two very different birettas; one of which is full of holes.
If and when the Society of St. Pius X decides to inform the faithful as to which one they actually wear, rest assured, I will let you know.
“This is a problem, and a simple request sent to the Society’s communications staff asking for clarity as to which should be trusted as its current position didn’t create that problem.” Exactly!
“I happen to think that it’s very important for the faithful to know with certainty where the SSPX stands on this matter. (Seriously, where else might one look for clarity these days?)” Me too.
The SSPX needs to realize, if they act wishy-washy, dodgy, or use other liberal methods of avoidance, then it is only natural people are going to have questions and doubts, and Louie is just asking for clarity in a respectable way through the proper channels, as we all should do and then after we get the response or in this case the lack of response, then we can safely conclude which others have already done (such as the 100 or so Priests of the SSPX and Priests Friends that left or distanced themselves from the SSPX since 2012) that something is indeed wrong in the SSPX and should be addressed in the open, without fear of reprisal or expulsion.
Why have 100 or so priests left SSPX since 2012? If Amotis Laetitia was promulgated in 2016, then problems must have been apparent long before AL came out, indeed, before Benedict XVI abdicated? No?
I can only relate my experience with the SSPX at the local level. No one I know gives AL any legitimacy whatsoever. It is never discussed. Folks are content to have the Traditional Mass and Sacraments.
Rush, Isn’t that what we are all searching for?
Trouble is we cannot find it where the Vatican and Papacy is concerned as we once thought it to be back in the fifties and early sixties before the rug was pulled out from under the collective Catholic feet.
Until Rome changes ,and as Bl Emmerich said about praying for the “Church of Darkness to leave Rome” , nothing will be like it was.
Thank you for keeping on top of things Louie.
A smigin of levity not too far off topic……….
Can anyone explain the new hairstyle Fr Hewko of “Resistance” fame has been sporting with his glued down side swept hair curl pieces or his penchant for wearing the biretta or any other hat when being photographed now? See pic below.
When I was first introduced to this site I found it both interesting and informative. But over the past couple of years it has devolved from an interesting site that academically explored many of the troubling issues facing faithful Catholics, to little more than a forum for traditional Catholics with disparate points of view to engage in regular food-fights with all who disagree with them. Always lots of heat but rarely little light.
More often than not the comments are almost a chore to read inasmuch as they’re mostly personal attacks on other commenters who do not hold their point of view. This, in my view, didn’t just happen. The author of this forum, wittingly or not, has actually set the stage for this type of behavior. Although an easy to read writer, and a man who can turn a clever phrase, Louie has only himself to blame. If you don’t agree with Louie’s religion you can be certain of a one-sided skewering on his site.
Whether one is a fan of Michael Matts, Michael Voris, or a host of other individuals Louie has lambasted on this site, is not really the issue. The issue is the way that Louie presents his case against those who he finds disagreement. His modus operandi is always the same. Invariably, he presents a cleverly skewed version of their positions, always set up in a way so as to knock them down like sitting ducks. And while many of his targets have, indeed, taken questionable positions on Catholic teaching from time to time, Louie’s approach is not the way to handle it. It may help his blog in the short term, but has lost many of his former friends and in the long term he marginalizes himself and his readers.
His more recent attacks on the SSPX have been essentially triggered by two issues: the continuing recognition by the Society that the pope is still the pope and the leader of the Catholic Church regardless of how the laity may view his behavior (that is Catholic teaching); and the apostolic exhortation, Amoris Laetitia. But Louie, on his own, has decided that he is not the pope for two unrelated reasons. The first being that, in Louie’s view, Pope Benedict XVI was forced out so he is still the pope; and his second, Louie has decided that Amoris Laetitia is heretical (and it may well be) and for that reason Louie argues that he cannot be pope since he wrote it and supports it.
The SSPX disagrees with Louie on both of these points, but probably even more importantly in Louie’s mind, the SSPX will not answer his letter. Consequently, the SSPX has now been singled out as Louie’s most recent target. As to whether Louie always had an animus toward the SSPX, or is just super thin-skinned because they don’t agree with him, I wouldn’t know. But one thing is quite clear, the SSPX is now squarely in his gunsights. This anti-SSPX point of view has no doubt at least encouraged his food-fighting followers to also use this site as their individual platform to unfairly denigrate the SSPX.
So as they say, all this wasn’t what I bought into when I first began reading this site. As a faithful member of an SSPX Chapel, therefore, I find these unfair criticisms more offensive than helpful. I also believe that reaching to find fault with the only priestly organization that defines it’s mission as continuing to uphold the true teachings of the Catholic Church that were in place before Vatican II, is immensely harmful to the Catholic Church herself. But if this is what Louie wants, it appears that this is what Louie will get. Hopefully it works out for him, but it doesn’t for me.
Why is everyone so concerned about what is or isn’t the public position of a group of schismatic heretics?
Mons and his followers clearly were/are heretics in their denial of papal primacy and they openly act in contravention of the Infallible Teachings of Vatican 1.
The cohort of crazies who succor the heretics in the sspx could spend 30 minutes or so to read the piece linked to below in its entirety, or they could scroll down and read just how it is they are schismatics (Lefevbrite schism) and heretics every bit as guilty of perfidy as was lefebvre and his gang of four that have led them down the path of perdition.
But, owing to their haughtiness, those who succor the sspx have imprisoned themselves behind an impenetrable ideological wall and so facts can not pierce those walls of delusion because one can not use facts or truth to reach a man trapped by ideology anymore than a psychiatrist can use logic and reason to defeat the delusions of his psychotic patient.
Whoa! Pot……kettle……..black…….or WHAT! You really are a class act whiner aren’t you?
Louie makes perfect sense in a sea of diabolical disorientation! If you can’t handle that – get out and stop offending those of us with open minds and an adult approach to serious discussion.
You accuse Louie of mounting personal attacks when you show a vicious streak a mile wide every time you post. WE love Louie. You…….. not so much. Just go.
Oh good grief! May I ask you a couple of questions?
 Would you feel happy divorcing your wife; shacking up with a new woman; and then receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ every Sunday at Mass?
 If you were married in the Catholic Church do you consider that marriage valid and binding?
 When you go to confession do you tell serious sins then say to your Confessor “Yep I have seriously sinned and I fully intend to keep Jesus happy committing those same sins when I leave here.
If you blindly follow Pope Bergoglio’s heretical advice your answers will be  Yes  No  Yes. IF so and you obey this pope – you openly disobey the Holy Spirit.
Don’t judge the SSPX!
irishpol–You make some very good points here. However, I think it would be helpful to understand why so many associated with the SSPX (both clergy and laity) feel abandoned and betrayed. The mission of the SSPX as you described it is immensely crucial to the salvation of souls who no longer can rely on the “official”Catholic Church for any guidance and true Catholic teaching. Of course, there is much anger and disappointment. Faithful Catholics are drowning and the SSPX lifeline seems to be disappearing. Right now, you are in a very good place with the SSPX. Many of us shared that moment, but are now justifiably fearful the lifeline will be gone forever. Let us all pray together that that does not happen. In the meantime, we must all be respectful of difference points of view. Confusion, the weapon of Satan, is everywhere.
Give it up ABS. Some of us do know know who and what you are.
Excellent points 2Cents………..
I was there prior to the Resistance split. I knew the narcissist disordered crew who formed it. I knew a very good group of Traditional young men including an SSPX Deacon who left the seminary because he understood who Urrutigoity and his friends were including the young man who was the son of the SSPX chapel coordinator.
I also have a respected professional friend from Idaho who is a regular attendee.Years ago he became angry with me because of what I told him we were dealing with at our chapel. I think he believed that it just could not be that these Traditional TLM priests were anything but holy. Now he knows thanks to our mutual friend Mrs Engel and we communicate daily praying and encouraging one another wondering when it will all end and we will see the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart.
The diabolical narcissists and their protectors are ripping off their masks one by one.
Good Catholics trying to be Faithful to the Magisterial teachings and Traditions that date back over a thousand years must realize that we are now in the times spoken of by Jesus and His Apostles ,especially St Jude and there are betrayers everywhere . No one owns a corner of Heaven on earth and even if they do for a time, it could all vaporize at anytime. All it takes are few evil clerics to destroy any parish home or Diocese. We have had our hearts broken many times in many places.
Defending the indefensible, like ABS does in praising his Bishop Barbarito , will be the cause of self embarrassment when the truth comes out. I know plenty of pew people both in the NO , Roman and Eastern Rites and in the SSPX who found out he hard way.
Pray for enlightenment from the Holy Ghost and of course the Rosary and hard as it is to take , it will happen. Our Mother told us .Our prayers are being responded to.
So ABS , while you call everyone in SSPX a “schismatic” , know it is Almighty God and not you who is the Just Judge and knows their hearts.
If the author wants an explanation about why the SSPX does not respond to him, this comment is probably as good as any he’ll find. If you were in SSPX’s shoes, would you respond to any inquiry, knowing it will almost certainly be used to excoriate you and rabble-rouse against you, with possible personal innuendo raised like by the author, and, if not by him, by the combox? I think not. FYI I’m neither SSPX nor sedevacantist.
Yes, if I were a priests concern for the souls who are confused seeking answers to legitimate questions, and if what I had to say was the truth, then yes I would have answered him.
Care to offer any examples of Louie’s MO that you find so difficult to follow? My guess is that you did not read his series on Fr. Gleize.
“The Catholic faithful have a strict right to know that the priests to whom they have recourse are not in Communion with a counterfeit Church which is evolutionary, pentecostalist and syncretist.” Mons. Lefebvre
Louie is one of a handful (four that I know of) that is seeking this essential clarity.
Have you read any history concerning the last 150 years? Every major canon lawyer in 1988 said, and I quote, “This is not schism; disobedience yes, but not schism”. Let’s fast forward to 2017: Every major thinker is saying, and I quote, “JB is not the pope”. This may help all those still laboring under such an illusion: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/01/16/cutting-the-crap-31-questions-and-blunt-answers-about-the-catholic-church-and-antipope-bergoglio/
I agree with you, sweep. My only point is that the SSPX is still working at the local level. I’m betting the Rosary Crusades will keep the SSPX on the right track overall.
This is an EXCELLENT article by Ann. Perhaps her best.
Absolutely FM, The Catholic Faithful have an absolute right and duty to expect and search for truthful clarity from all of the priests and prelates.
It is so sad to read there are still so many who cling to blind obedience minus the personal responsibility to seek understanding and education in the Faith.
This is why the Legion of Christ and Maciel was able to pull the wool over so many eyes for so long.
I respect Louie for seeking answers and for sharing what he has or has not been informed of in his quest.
“Louie has decided that Amoris Laetitia is heretical (and it may well be) and for that reason Louie argues that he cannot be pope since he wrote it and supports it.”
You made that up. Never has Louie stated that. He says, as Canon Law says, Frankie can’t be pope because Benedict still is, by way of an invalid resignation.
“In our time more than ever before, the chief strength of the wicked, lies in the cowardice and weakness of good men… All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics.
Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the prophet Zachary did in spirit: What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands? The answer would not be doubtful: With these was I wounded in the house of them that loved Me. I was wounded by My friends, who did nothing to defend Me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of My adversaries. And this reproach can be levelled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries.”
—Pope St. Pius X, Discourse at the Beatification of St. Joan of Arc, 1908
I think you could have crammed “schismatics” and “heretics” in there a few more times if you really had tried harder.
Bravo! Prisca Ann . An extremely timely comment.
Thank you for the reminder Prisca Ann !
It is also well worth noting that at the trial and martyrdom of St Joan, of which the Church still has the account, she was told that even her Bishops condemned her .
Inspired by the Holy Ghost, she replied that those Bishops were not members of the same Catholic Church of which she belonged.
Something ABS should remember when castigating SSPX and others as schismatics and heretics while supporting his own Diocesan Bishop Barbarito who has attacked Fr Gallgher for turning in a fellow priest pederast to the authorities who later confessed , was found guilty, sentenced and admitted his former Bishop knew about his abuse of other boys in his own country.
Your right Sweep, this is a unique time in Catholic history, and discerning the truth, whether done by the Recognize and Resist crowd, SSPX, sedevacantists or Louie Verrichio requires faithfullness to the Gospels, the moral law and the doctrines of the faith as handed down until the early 20th century. It’s so easy to be wrong. Lent is here. Prayer and discernment.
Some insight on ABS.
He attends a Melkite Catholic Church .
He believes he has found a beautiful liturgy to avoid the NO. The Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom is definitely beautiful and catechetical.
Having been a long time member of an Eastern Catholic Rite myself I can attest to that. One of my closest friends was a Melkite Catholic Archmandrite who exited the Jesuits when he discovered how corrupt they had become.
In fact, it was he who appealed to the previous Bishop Jon (RIP) to investigate and remove a Melkite bi ritual cross dressing priest who had been our pastor and denied the Real Presence during a Pascha homily. Bishop Jon was an excellent Bishop and he did kick the guy out even questioning his Ordination.
Now ABS YOUR Bishop is Samra ,who after a “long leave of absence” as a priest brought back that same disordered cross dressing fellow to be his personal priest secretary .
So why sir do you hold up Barbarito as a wonderful Bishop when he isn’t even your Bishop ?
For the record ABS, homosexual sodomites are the worst people to cross as they get even first chance they can get and rest assured it will be very evil.
Before he died, my Melkite Catholic Archamndrite friend confided he was told by several Melkite priests his new Bishop had launched a smear campaign against him and he did not know why. I realized why when I read Samra made that same cross dresser his secretary that the previous Melkite Bishop had cut loose.
You sir are not as smart as you try to sound and defending a Bishop just because he is a Bishop is not wise especially these days. Simply because you are not aware of who belongs to the homosexual collective. Your little slice of heaven could implode too
Now forgive me Louie but as the poster ABS is fond of Voris ( who kicked off commenters who complained about the Pope) and who ( radically attacked people who went to the SSPX Masses) I would like to post links to this so all can see how the worm has turned AND how Voris himself learned about the sodomite cabal that the Pope surrounded himself with since he would never allow a negative post about Borgolio to grace his combox. Now look at the comments.
When will he acknowledge the Faithful of SSPX are not in the least schismatic either ? I’m guessing he will just have to learn about that too.
In this recent interview, + Fellay mentions his friend Cardinal Burke who threw the SSPX under the bus by stating Catholics should not attend SSPX Masses. Bishop Fellay did nothing to defend his priests or the Catholic Faithful sitting in their pews. What is Fellay afraid of? Time for him to go. Please, God, we need strong leadership that does not kowtow to evil Modernist Rome. It is no wonder that priests and laity associated with the SSPX are suffering from lack of TRUST.
May I add: This is an observation after 20 years of close association with the SSPX in various chapels. 10% of the parishioners are dedicated hard workers who devote financial support, time and talent for the restoration of Tradition. Another 10%, for selfish reasons, undermine the good of the first 10%. 80% are good people who don’t want to get involved and are, therefore, totally neutral–don’t know, don’t care. May our Lenten sacrifices be offered to beg Heaven’s intercession to stand firm against the enemies of Christ. Neutrality is NOT standing firm.
Sweep, new to the “resistance” part of the SSPX, have listened to some stuff put out by them and have found it quite helpful but am unsure about how it all came about and what part it actually plays in this whole mess. Don’t want to use the com box for education but could you just list a couple links for information that could explain further the this aspect of the SSPX as you see it. Thanks and God Bless!
The 80% you speak of are not neutral. They frequent the Traditional Mass and Sacraments. They pray the Rosary every day for the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Yes, Rush. That is why I refer to them as good people. But in times of war, even good soldiers must go beyond the call of duty. The Catholic Church is “at war” against the Modernist evils who are holding Her hostage. The Church Militant is exactly that—-Militant! ONLY sitting in the bunker praying for peace is being neutral. Get out there and fight!
Can. 1013 No bishop is permitted to consecrate anyone a bishop unless it is first evident that there is a pontifical mandate.
Pope Francis is the Pope.
ABS only occasionally assists at a Greek Melkite Church. Normally. he assists at the Lil’ Licit Liturgy.
When did ABS identify Bishop Barbarito as wonderful?
ABS does not know Mr. Voris.
Of course the sspx is schismatic and it is a permanent one.
Oddly enough, a Priest, in a 1968 book, predicted what a new schism would look like- and it turned out to be the schism of sspx
The Correctio Filialis does not in fact state that Amoris Laetitia is heretical (or that it is not). It states that the pope is upholding 7 heresies by Amoris Laetitia taken together with other words, deeds and omissions. Hence it is possible for Bishop Fellay or others to accept that the pope is upholding heresies without stating that heresies are strictly contained in AL taken by itself.
Should the SSPX answer a question that requires of them little more than to re-confirm what the Catholic Faith is, which is their sole mission, the reason they are where they are in the first place, and for which it’s their job to endure rabble-rousing for the sake of the Truth?
Shouldn’t the SSPX amend their earlier conclusions about Amoris Letitia’s intended purpose in light of new evidence from the Pope himself who has given an official interpretation to his own document?
Blunder certainly prefers the cowardly way alongside all the cowardly bishops who wish to spend their lives gently without anything to rock the boat of their comfortable lives.
The combox is sick and tired of the silence of the clergy. And that silence is consent towards evil. If the bishops won’t speak, then we will. If we stop speaking, then even the rocks will start crying out.
Don’t be mad at the combox for demonstrating the cowardice on the part of people like you Blunder.
Tell that to China.
Why does Xi Yiping get to pick Bishops in line with Atheistic Communism?
Would you attend the Patriotic Church?
Or the disobedient Underground Church because they’re not following Parolin’s orders?
So ABS would gladly attend the Patriotic Church in China because the Vatican is making their bishops licit and telling their licit bishops to get lost?
Are Chinese Bishops who put the Communist Party above the Pope good bishops versus the bad SSPX bishops who recognize the Pope?
The crazy world of ABS. Perhaps he should schedule an appointment with a professional brain surgeon. The current one he has isn’t working. And he pretends that merely repeating “SSPX” and “Schism” like the modernists repeat “Pastoral” and “ideals” is enough to explain away anything more complicated than his brain can handle.
And don’t pretend you don’t know Michael Voris. Nobody asked if you knew him personally, that was a classic deceitful misconstruing of what sweep said, so that you could attempt to worm your way out of the fact that you’ve swallowed CMTV’s faulty treatment of the SSPX hook, line and sinker.
A distinction without a difference.
It seems the SSPX is just as good at playing ‘benefit of interpretation’ games as the rest of the modernists.
The bloody document itself explicitly states that God is asking us to sin, and that it can no longer be said that sin deprives us of grace.
The SSPX needs to accept the taste of their own medicine. They can’t keep demanding clarity from Rome if they’re unwilling to be clear themselves.
Sure, there may be lots of prudential reasons that might upset some apple carts with regards to recognition from Rome.
But when Rome is recognizing Xi Yipings’ consecrated Bishops without Xi Yiping having to concede anything, you really think anyone is going to take Rome seriously for cutting off ties with the SSPX?
Frankly, Francis could just as easily declare the SSPX completely acceptable, and you’d get people like Amateur Brain-Dead here, telling us the SSPX should be avoided just like the CCPA anyway, even though neither he, nor his friend Voris can explain how the Pope can allow schismatics to exercise faculties of Mass and Confession, or even in what the SSPX is in schism from?
At worst, bishops do have the power of supplied jurisdiction to consecrate other bishops under extreme circumstances, just like the Apostles did long ago. You think they all had to go back and coordinate with St. Peter all the time? How come all the “difficult circumstances” “situations” “pastoral discernment” “ideals” etc. etc. only apply to mortal sins, but the SSPX can’t find itself in such situations to do what they “believe God is calling for”?
Hence the blatant hypocrisy and stupidity of the anti-SSPX crowd. This is why Voris and ABS and their ilk have to travel around reinforcing the SSPX-schism mantra without any coherent explanation. Like lefties screaming “homophobe”, then appealing to the letter of the law and demanding like Pharisees that everyone obey, when their Pharisaical leaders easily contort and argue themselves out of it at their convenience while overburdening others.
Nothing’s changed since 33 AD.
A new SSPX District Superior interview here that should contribute to the discussion.
Dogma says he can’t be pope nothing more nothing less.
I agree. Nobody I know associated with SSPX takes it seriously other than as a heresy, an insult against Our Lord. As to the other poster, where in the world do they get the idea 100 priests have left. In fact, SSPX posted latest figures on its site recently. Keep growing all the time. We have six priests and two brothers at our parish alone. They just built a new, huge seminary. I used to attend Mass at the old one. They moved because they couldn’t accommodate the increasing numbers of seminarians. It got so they were sitting in the pews that used to be used by the faithful attending Mass. Perhaps she gets her information from the camp of Mr. Williamson. I can imagine one of their very small number of priests might say something like this. We have a “resistance” meeting place here. The one priest who says Mass there also covers about five other areas. Oh, as to this post. Louie, me thinks thou doest protest too much. Suggest folks read the post on Remnant from the No. 2 guy at SSPX. Pretty clear what they think of Bergoglio and Vatican II. How come they got a response?
Francis is the Pope of communist, atheist China.
Dear Irishpol, it is clear that when Louie criticises the SSPX he is not talking about its priests that serve the various chapels around the world. He’s talking about its leadership and their official position. I’m sure there are many Novus. Ordo priests who also shun Amoris Laetitia but their purple and red bosses think different. Regarding the Society, one only has to look at Abp Lefebvres position prior to his death and compare it to Bp Fellays and there is a difference that’s unmistakable.
Here is a list of just some of those that left during or after 2012, includes a few former SSPX associates:
Abbe de Merode (prior, France)
Father Koller (prior, France)
Father Vignalou (France)
Father Hubert de Sainte-Marie Lamb (France)
Father Nicolas Pinaud (France)
Father Matthew Salenave (France)
Father Olivier Rioult (France)
Father Pierre-Marie OP and 10 other fathers Avrillé (France)
OSB Father Bruno (France)
April father, founder of the work of Our Lady of Salérans (France)
Father Raffali and community Stellamarins (France)
Abbe Picot (Kenya)
BISHOP Jean-Michel Faure (South America, Member of Chapter 2012)
Father Chazal (Asia)
Father Florian Abrahamowicz (Italy)
Father Brühwiller (Switzerland)
Abbot Martin Fuchs (Austria)
Father Girouard (Canada)
Father David Hewko (USA)
Abbe Pierre-Célestin Ondo Ndong (Gabon)
Father Ernesto Cardozo (Brazil)
Father Arturo Vargas (Mexico)
Father Fernando Altamira (Colombia)
Abbot Hugo Ruiz (Mexico)
Father Juan Carlos Ortiz (Australia)
Father Frank Sauer (Germany)
Father Eduardo Suelo (Asia)
Father Richard Voigt (USA)
Father Arnold Trauner (Austria)
Father Trincado (Mexico)
Father Valan Rajkunan (Asia)
Father Raphael Arizaga OSB (Mexico)
Father Thomas Aquinas Ferreira da Costa OSB (Brazil)
Father Jahir Brito, FMBV (Brazil)
Father Daniel Joaquim Maria Sant’ana, FMBV (Brazil)
Father J. Pfeiffer
Father de Merode
Thanks, Mr. G for the list. Were Any indications given of the reasons for resignations? Sweepoutthefilth implied homosexuality is a problem. That could very well be the case for some, but it’s not likely the only reason. As I’ve previously stated, I believe the Catholic Church was infiltrated by freemasons in 1914. It would be no surprise to me, if what might be considered a religious institute, the SSPX, was infiltrated by masons as well. The Catholic loyalists are jumping ship.
Looking back over this blog’s previous posts, I’m struggling to find a single one that does anything but blast the chosen subject/target. The SSPX is made up of human beings with reason. They can see the increasingly hostile tone and stance this blog has taken toward them over time. A reasonable person will not willingly encourage this, or provide the author with a club with which to beat him or her.
I’m not sure how disagreeing with you makes me a coward. If, as this blog and the commenters seem to indicate, every single clergyman has apostasized, hasn’t the Catholic Church ceased to exist? I don’t believe that.
Well, if the SSPX were to state that Amoris Laetitia is heretical, then it would follow that Pope Francis is a heretic. And of course that’s what Louie wants to prove above all else.
LONG before anyone even knew who Mr. Voris was ABS (using a different S/N) was publicly opposing the sspx schism at Free Republic
Be nice if you answered the questions put forward to you.
Regarding the pope can you give us concrete evidence that Francis is 100 % legit ?
Any pope that throws the Chinese Catholics under the bus of a godless regime surely isn’t a shepherd watching over his flock or condricting the Holy Ghost in such a way that clearly proves his revolution agianst Our Lord.
His actions n words make you out to be a blind fool.
Contradicting ( spell correct )