The Tradition in Action website has published a very interesting article by Dr. Marian T. Horvat on the recently concluded twenty-year long study of the Vatican secret archives on the Inquisition – the 4,500 volumes of documents of which were opened to scholars by order of the CDF back in 1998.
As Dr. Horvat points out, Cardinal Ratzinger at the time (more than two decades into John Paul II’s traveling pontifical apology tour) seemed to assume the worst, saying, “We know all the sins of the Church, and I hope more will not be added to them.”
Oh, yes, the sins of the Church – the arrogant pre-conciliar Church, that is, the same that did not hesitate to insist upon its unique rights as the one true Church of Christ the King; He who reigns over all things as Sovereign and Lord – these offenses against humanity are all-too-well known by such men as Josef Ratzinger and those who have an equal disdain for authentic Catholic tradition.
Dr. Horvat writes:
Since the 16th century, the Inquisition in genere, with no objection from the Vatican II Church, has been presented unrelentingly by Protestants, Illuminati and their cohorts as a Church organ with enormous powers that tortured its victims to get forced confessions and then burned those she called heretics at the stake. According to this Black Legend the main targets of this monstrous institution were Protestants, Jews and scientists like Galileo. The invention of the printing press came at the right time to facilitate the spread of this harmful reputation everywhere.
Indeed, disciples of the Council not only fail to object to claims of a monstrous (pre-conciliar) Church, they have been pleased to perpetuate the lie at every possible turn.
In writing a premature obituary for The Catholic Inquisitor, conciliar apologist extraordinaire and aposto-business tycoon Karl Keating opined:
The publication’s name may delight a few Traditionalist guys who sit around having beers and wondering why they can’t get dates, but in terms of marketing it will be a turn-off, even to many who otherwise might take an interest in such a publication. It’s the kind of name chosen by the tone deaf. True believers don’t need such an in-your-face title, and Traditionalists who don’t want to read only harangues (yes, such people exist) will be turned off. But the title is a minor point.
You see, for Keating & Co., in addition to preferring Chartreuse and cheese to beer and peanuts (how pedestrian!), “true believers” are those who keep telling themselves that we are basking in the early days of a “New Springtime” – even as the visible structures of the Church are crumbling at their very feet.
Such persons as these are just too busy keepin’ it real (or keepin’ it profitable, as the case may be) to consider anything that even dares to hint that the reality of the Inquisition (or the Faith itself, for that matter) is anything other than what their vaunted patron “Saint” said it was:
Another painful chapter of history to which the sons and daughters of the Church must return with a spirit of repentance is that of the acquiescence given, especially in certain centuries, to intolerance and even the use of violence in the service of the truth. (John Paul II, Address to the International Symposium on the Inquisition, citing Tertio millennio adveniente – 35)
This is why the results of the two-decade long examination of the Vatican secret archives on the Inquisition are receiving so little attention in official Roman circles and elsewhere; specifically, members of the santo subito club simply cannot bear to consider such scholarly findings as those that expose the Catholic incompetence of the “Great One” (with apologies to Wayne Gretzky).
Dr. Horvat writes:
Now finally, after 20 years of meticulous study, the results of 40 scholars delving into the archives of the real, not imaginary, Inquisition were released in an 800-page tome. The startling news published in a discreet article in L’Osservatore Romano (May 19, 2018, p. 5) was that the Inquisition was in fact a good and fair tribunal, not the dark horror chamber invented by the Black Legend.
At this I will invite you to read Dr. Horvat’s article in full (HERE). It’s well worth your while.
In the inaugural issue of The Catholic Inquisitor, readers will be treated to a robust defense of the Inquisition written by history professor Dr. Jesse Russell. If you haven’t done so already, please consider subscribing today.
You might even consider sending a gift subscription to a santo subito club member near you; along with a note, How do you like me now?
Thanks for this.
I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to read Dr Russel’s information.
May God Bless this new venture……
TRUTH is a welcomed change after all the LIES!
Dr. Horvat writes:
“Now finally, after 20 years of meticulous study, the results of 40 scholars delving into the archives of the real, not imaginary, Inquisition were released in an 800-page tome. The startling news published in a discreet article in L’Osservatore Romano (May 19, 2018, p. 5) was that the Inquisition was in fact a good and fair tribunal, not the dark horror chamber invented by the Black Legend.”
Hear, hear!!!!!!!
Talking about The Catholic Inquisitor, Karl Keating said: “… in terms of marketing it will be a turn-off …”. In terms of marketing ??? What a dead give away! Tells you all you need to know about the conciliar apologist and his ilk. As if Jesus had said, Seek ye first marketing that is not a turn-off …
But seriously, when Jesus died on the Cross, He was nothing – absolutely nothing – in terms of marketing.
MS…..”marketing” note to Francis and the Vatancistas also
https://thefederalist.com/2018/05/30/wim-wenders-pope-francis-documentary-political-pornography/
They made lots of money on PJP2. his popularity engine was the marketers in the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi along with Opus Dei.
The sky was the limit with pilgrims flocking to Vatican City. Vatican pilgrim planes ,a Vatican pilgrim credit card etc. Even evictions of the elderly and disabled with lifetime leases from Vatican owned apartment houses in order to build five star hotels for pilgrims. But the pilgrim numbers have nose dived thanks to the economy , the abuse scandals and the import of muslim immigrants as have the marketing apologists like Karl Keating.
Just maybe they should focus on Jesus Christ and His visible Church instead.
The Holy Inquisition needs to be brought back with a vengeance.
To heck with all the softies who think the name sounds ‘unappealing’ and need to change it to ‘The Panda Bears’ or whatever…
The Inquisition, I’ll remind you all, did us a great service when they recognized the threat of modernism beginning with the Galileo Affair, for which these Holy Men are much maligned by the propagandised today.
Something which Karl Keating himself seems desperate to maintain given he made it a personal mission to attack those upholding Geocentrism, not by touching upon the science, which he doesn’t at all understand, but instead by going on character-assassination crusades.
That tells us everything we need to know about Keating Corp.
I’ll always be grateful for what Keating built with Catholic Answers as it was very useful for me as I was rediscovering the Catholic Faith I was never taught. But I owe as much to him as I owe as much to the efforts of other Protestant/non-Catholic writers and apologists whom I also learned much from. They are useful to a good extent, but at some point do not possess the full truth, and at some point will even become harmful to continue following their advice.
Keating’s role is to be a Catholic PR agent. And likewise with the PR industry, Truth and consistency needs to take a back seat in favour of present-day optics. This is how the world is run – based on perception – even erroneous – so long as it seems positive, in theory it should attract the customers to what you’re selling.
Hence why the name ‘Inquisitor’ has a bad rep with this marketing crowd. Why couldn’t it be ‘Care Bears’?
But the times they are a-changin, and men are beginning to find their testicles for the hard truths even amongst the secularists. That why Americans voted for Trump’s brashness, and why Dr. Jordan Peterson speaks to sold-out crowds.
Meanwhile, our Church is filled with men of questionably soft character. And sometimes Fr. Smiley and no frowns just makes you want to punch him back into reality.
Nice men don’t get crucified or martyred. And the lukewarm non-committal usually live but are detested by both sides as men lacking honour.
From Quito, I exhort you all: pray to Our Lady of the Buen Suceso of the Purification.
I wouldn’t necessarily call for a return to the Inquisition that St. JP2 rightly condemned. Having said that, His Holiness SHOULD start to ex-communicate the rightist dissenters.
Now some will say, on what basis could the Pope excommunicate rightist dissenters? Look up the Savonarola case, he doesn’t need a basis.
I think thats a great idea Gang. The neo cons and semi trads hold a different faith than that of the v2 NO magesterium. There is a definite reason why the NO sect has never excommunicated abortionists and only excommunicated Lefebrve and a few who advocated womyn priestess.
“I’ve asked the question in the recent past, “Is the pope Catholic?” It is being asked by others frequently now. Perhaps it’s time to ask a more generic question: “Is the pope Christian?”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/the-pope-vs-the-bible-and-catholic-catechism/#DHTiYOZ02QswFvac.99“
Vatican Secret Archivist Historian, Barbara Frale, while doing her PhD Thesis for the University of Venice , discovered some interesting documents in the Vatican Secret Library related to the schism between the West and the Eastern Church.
Having studied both sides of the events that led to the schism and blocked over four failed attempts by the Papacy to reunite the Church, I have been sorely disgusted with the one sided condemnations minus the documented actual facts . Every Catholic should read this book noting the letters and documents she came across in the Vatican Secret Library. I wish someone would use the actual documents therein and write a referenced book to explain what really brought about the schism because a lot of what I read about then is certainly is repeating itself now, as is the propaganda which was, is and never ends.
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Templars_and_the_Shroud_of_Christ.html?id=GWS4CgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false
Er…back here on Planet Earth, if there were an Inquisition in the USA, it would be run by evangelical Protestants, as Catholics are a minority. I have no desire to see converts like Scott Hahn burned for apostasy, nor do I have any interest in being drawn and quartered for “worshipping” Mary and statues.
Sure, it wasn’t as bad as the stereotypical image some have. But if you were one of be wrongly condemned and executed, I don’t think that was very much comfort to you and yours.
If you want to be part of a global faith that has religious police and tribunals watching people and meting out harsh sentences for heresy, you’ve already got ISIS where you can also have many wives and carry a machine gun.
The difference of course being that the Catholic Inqusition was morally justified since it was defending the True Religion from heresy. Of course those false religions have no right from God to teach their errors. So if there were ever a Catholic state again, I would hope it would institute an Inquisition to root out heresies before they fester and destroy Christendom like Luther. I am sure you would agree Blunder or do you believe other sects have a moral right to teach their errors (even with good intentions).
Blunder and Gang along with the heretics mentioned here …..
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…would like to see us all burned at the stake for opposing the infiltrated V2 Church and speaking the TRUTH
No, sweep. I have no desire to be burned myself, based upon the accusations of a few very vocal nutcases. And therefore no desire to see anyone else burn.
Ganganelli’s point is different. Folks like you are every bit as dissident as the left-leaning dissidents. You claim Traditon as justification. They claim reason and development of doctrine. Inquisition doesn’t distinguish, and if you’re calling for it, you’re calling for your own demise as you’re outside the Church. Savonarola was a bit “too Catholic” and met the same end.
Or perhaps you plan to yell,as the flames get closer, “Fools! I am the only true Catholic! You all have been deceived! Hashtag not my pope!” Sadly, nobody will listen and your astoundingly painful death will have been completely in vain.
Still want an Inquisiton?
“vocal nutcases”……I have no doubt that is what the followers of Our Lord Jesus Christ have always been called.
Who is that you are protecting in this child raping v2 religion? Let it go man. It will be your demise if you dont.
I just want to say, and I know I run the risk of being labelled a troll, I appreciate Blunder’s contributions around here and I hope he isn’t run off the site/banned, as I’ve see happen on other sites when things get heated. At the very least he makes me think of things through a different lens.
But I also have to say I respect and admire pretty much everyone here. I’m in awe at the level of faith some have and I sincerely wish I had it. There are times I feel I have it and then I sway to the modern side of things. Back and forth I go. Unfortunately, I’m late to the party I guess lol. I rediscovered Catholicism at a very confusing time. I can’t help being drawn to tradition and doctrine, it’s literally what drew me back, yet the visible church around me looks nothing like what brought me here. How can this be? I feel like I’m in a nightmare.
How can doctrine have been so important for 2000 years, and the faith was so strong, people died for it. And now I’m too rigid for holding to it? Or maybe I am too rigid and the Holy Spirit is ushering some sort of new era. I’m just so confused. I’m sorry to ramble lol but I really am going crazy over this and do appreciate every little bit I can learn
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*BREAKING NEWS FLASH*
*BREAKING NEWS TO BLUNDERBUTT*
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The Protestant Inquisition in the U.S.A. and much of the Western World never went away.
It goes by many new names now! Such as…
The LGBTQIA++
The ACLU
The Southern Poverty Law Center
The Corporate Military Mainstream Media
The Democrat Party
The Human Rights Tribunals
The Department of Homeland Security
Guantanamo Bay
Google
Twitter
Facebook
The Department of Education
Freedom From Religion Foundation
And as for the possibilities of being “wrongly condemned and executed” by the Holy Inquisition as being sooooo very baaaaad… I’d dearly like to know Blunderdumb… as opposed to what…?
The American Secular Courts? The Corporate Prison System? The Canadian Human Rights Tribunals? The ones where you accept the minimum sentencing despite your innocence because you can’t afford to defend yourself without going into permanent bankruptcy against fixed odds and bullshit evidence that is classified and confidential and solely on the word of FBI agents and Traffic cops?
What planet are YOU living on Stupidbuss???
Is it the real one the Church and Scripture teaches you about that is the center of the Universe and does not move?
Or is it the imaginary one that spins on its axis and moves through space at a speed that just magically enough matches the Relativity formulas to the precise degree that no instrument is able to measure it because space is folding and time dilates and mass changes to mask it to Zero with the help of a super over-abundance of more imaginary invisible energy and matter that exceeds the known visible measurable universe around us?
I would easily take my chances under the just watch of the Holy Inquisition than any of the secular courts, thank you very much, and it looks like many in fact did precisely that back during the days of the Inquisition by blaspheming solely to get their trial handed to the Inquisitors rather than face the much harsher more abusive secular systems of their day; where all they had to do was recant on the spot and then receive a fairer trial under the Catholic Inquisition. The Protestant Inquisition is another story, where those fools were too busy burning women accused of imaginary witchcraft. And the witch-hunt continues to this day under new forms.
And no blundermoron – I DON’T WANT TO BE PART OF A ‘GLOBAL FAITH’ – I WANT TO BE PART OF THE TRUE FAITH – UNLIKE A GLOBALIST LIKE YOU! Especially when the secular globalist system you admire so much is itself throwing Christians to the dogs while accommodating the presence of many unofficial Shariah Courts within their own borders and throwing people like Tommy Robinson in prison for exposing it.
And there should be some kind of ‘law’ coined like Godwin’s Law, which we shall now term ‘Blunder’s Law’ where it might be defined as –
“As an online discussion about consistent application of Catholic belief, and the role the state should play in accordance with this reality, takes place; the probability of a comparison involving ISIS and Islamic Fundamentalism approaches.”
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If you want to see what I think of that comedy routine, then please consult a previous comment I made, that was featured on Ann Barnhardt’s site here (since it’s easier to link to this than the actual comment) –
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2016/07/28/comment-of-the-year-satan-using-islam-to-shut-up-christians/
But we now have on display here, through Blunder, precisely an example of why the Keating method fails and why Louie Verrichio’s
call for a proper fully Catholic non-compromising approach is needed – To help poor disoriented folks like Blunder and co. actually learn what the true faith is, and what the true faith SHOULD PRODUCE in anyone who professes to believe it, and thus order their lives, dialogue and action consistently with what they profess. EVEN UNTO POLITICAL AND SOCIO-ECONOMIC ENDS. Ol’ Francis isn’t wrong about that… he’s just been reading the Gospel according to Marx rather than St. Mark.
Blunder and the rest of the confused crowd are precisely the sort who naively buy into the LIE, that they can make a fair deal with the world (aka the devil) and imagine the other side will play fair and square.
The Devil appears to Blunder under the guise of the World and says to Blunder – “Let’s set up fair rules for both of us. You get rid of the Inquisition, and all that other hard, radical, harsh old-Catholic stuff, and give everything over to me to manage… and in exchange I promise to give you your fair share of religious freedom, freedom of speech, liberty, equality, wealth, and an equal playing field with all the other religions and non-religious of the world. We shall call this land – America! How about it?”
And Blunder said, “Yes sir, Mr. Satan! That sounds like a good deal! Let me just put that offensive crucifix and statue of Mary in the corner, out of the public eye; and every time we meet I can be assured we will exchange pleasantries, and even if we agree to disagree every time, we can both go home safe in the knowledge that our Earthly belongings and relationships and wealth and job security and rights over our children will remain intact! It’s a great deal! Please give me my green card and I’ll set the barque on course to that new city of equal men and women set on a hill!”
We all know how that story turns out… Suckers fall for it every. Single. Time.
And I too was a sucker once! But then… a radical thought occurred to me…
What if the Catholic Faith was… you know… actually true? And I mean… ALL OF IT???!!!
Hopefully one day that actual thought occurs to the Blunders of the world… most especially in that land of milk and honey – the U.S.A.! At least it’s not Britain and Canada… not yet!
So you’re lukewarm.
Got it.
Well, it is certainly true that ‘St.’ John Paul II would condemn a faithful arm of the Church that years ago would’ve condemned him!
It must have really ground his gears when he wanted to life the sentence against Galileo, and the Commission told him that he couldn’t… So instead he resorted to appeals to Relativity instead and made some general vague apologies for vague ‘mistakes’ on behalf of those in the Church of the past he couldn’t at all name. But how about that Council huh! Look at all them open windows and such!
No Inquisition is how stuff like Fr. Marcial Maciel happens…
Say what you want about the Spanish Inquisition, they at least produced good results.
Whereas the post-Inquisition Church that the Lady Gaganelli loves have produced pedarest after pedarest.
John Paul II condemned the hounds, for the sake of the foxes. And Gags is a cat person, recommending placing pussycats for the job.
It should also be noted again that PR and optics matter to Blunder as much as to Keating, hence the uncomfortable comparisons to the Islamic State… because Blunder only knows how to think in terms of what other people will think about him… and not about the capital ‘T’ TRUTH, and especially that Jesus Christ fella…
No, noooo… we can’t have that! There’s a rival religion going around pretending to be us! So we have to make sure that we look as much like the other rival religion – secularism – in order to avoid comparisons to that other rival religion and its not-secular friendly prophet… even though that other rival religion gains followers for pointing out so often how our religion is simply trying too much to be like that other godless religion!!! Think of the OPTICS people!!! What will people think??? They’re judging us you know! We want to look our best! We need pretty dresses! We need soft appreciable language! We need humbleness! We need to care for the poor and show how much more caring we are for the poor than the other poor-carers! This is a beauty competition! Get rid of those old-fashioned Traddy clothing and put on some mini-skirts ladies! That stuff is trendy! Grab a guitar! Recycle your bottles! Stop with the gossiping! Think positive! Be open to da spirit of the surprising times! And remember above all to SMILE! SMILE!! SMILE!!! Preferably holding a bottle of Coca-Cola! Or better yet – *New* Coke II. This is what sells to the youth! And if they don’t like that we got Catholic Zero. Get some nice ladies in the picture to show that the Church appreciates women, just ask Dolan, he’ll show you how it’s done!
That’s quite a reply. I think I detected some geocentrism in there? And that traffic cops are conspiring with the FBI against you? Well, that certainly explains why I got that ticket. Wasn’t because I was illegally parked. Global conspiracy.
Theocracy in the modern world doesn’t work to the advantage of the Catholic Church or individual Catholics.
Boy, you really love Galileo. Please, please, please quote Sungenis so people know that the source of this nonsense is a fake PhD with an axe to grind with Jews and a fairly loose relationship with the truth. The Church’s position regarding Galileo wasn’t a matter of faith and morals, any more than were the actions of he rapey and stabby and “make my nephew the next one” Popes.
As for Maciel and the like, I’m going to turn around and toss in St. Peter Damian, a favorite source for Trads. He lived a thousand years ago. You can’t blame child-molesting priests on Vatican II.
Johno – when people talk about being “on fire” regarding their faith, they don’t mean literally being burned at the stake. In quite content remaining room temperature. That’s being rational, not lukewarm.
Sweep, I would encourage you to research what happens when theocracies enforce religion with the weight of civil authority and harsh penalties. It doesn’t end well. Whether it’s an obese syphilitic monarch deciding he wants a son, a neighbor who wants your land, or a true servant of Allah who doesn’t like your lack of support for his local office, it seems like a lot of innocent people are put to death. I’ll take a jury of my peers over that any time.
Rich, I’m no theologian, but I’m fairly certain that calling the Catholic Church a “child raping V2 religion” is going to get you in hot water with the Almighty. According to Sweep’s personal experiences, amply documented here, all of the Trad factions and splinter groups are filled with perverts. So in the event of a fantasy Inquisition run by, say, the SSPX, you’ll be judged a heretic and condemned by a bunch of perverts anyway.
Dear Isles–You don’t sound confused to me. What you say makes so much sense. Many of us are confused to find ourselves in a position where the True Catholic faith must be defended from the evil Modernist take-over. May I suggest that you read Catholic books written before the V2 council especially the Baltimore Catechism. Also, subscribing to Louie’s The Catholic Inquisitor is a promising publication which will give you much food for thought. Your comment about the Trolls having their place here also is a good point. It allows others to respond which also gives much food for thought. May the Holy Ghost be at your side as you continue this journey. Our Lady brings all Her children to Her Son. We may be confused, but we are not abandoned.
This is where being too “non rigid” is heading.This is what we are embracing in the church……Perhaps Blunder fits right in?
http://josephsciambra.com/drag-performer-is-contact-person-for-archdiocese-of-new-york-lgbt-outreach/
So where in this step by step deChristianization process would you hold the line ,Blunder?
http://angelqueen.org/2018/06/01/ireland-a-chronology-of-de-christianization/
Blunder, Read and tell me which Pope in recent memory has addressed this and is holding the line? For that matter tell which priest ,aside from Fr John O Conner of Blessed memory is currently holding the line ? What Bishop ? What Cardinal?
maybe we all need to be more open minded and less rigid like you?
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No Blunder , We can blame much of it on Communism .
Dodd testified she assigned over 1000 CPUSA homosexuals into seminaries in order to subvert the church and ONLY homosexual Party members signed on. Now we see the fruits of their labors.
She also testified in 1939 she answered to four Cardinal Communist Party bosses already in the Vatican…….Alice von Hildebrand has notarized copies of her testimonials . I was sent a copy in ’03 and I know Westerman of INA was also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyw-M8k9UEw
IslesRoo1, I think you’ve got the gist of it as much as any of us. Is the Holy Spirit ushering in some sort of new era? Now, it’s important to notice that the new era is without Judgement. So we can embrace this new era as presented and hope its true or assume that Jesus Christ was telling the truth and that there is Death, Judgement, Heaven and Hell. We can see death but the rest we have to rely on the word of God or the word of Jorge.
“As for Maciel and the like, I’m going to turn around and toss in St. Peter Damian, a favorite source for Trads. He lived a thousand years ago. You can’t blame child-molesting priests on Vatican II.”
That was a time when people recognized sodomy as both a crime , serious mortal sin and deep perversion ,Blunder .But now your pope and these Bishops and the vast majority of priests actually believe they were born that way ,thanks to YOUR Pope.
We live in vastly different times and you Blunder are the one from another planet.
Blunder, again you deflect the issue. How is the faith prior to 1958 the same as the one taught now? Stick to this topic, answer that question, and maybe you can help many souls return to the Church. The fact that you ignore this challenge speaks volumes.
Thank you. It’s just horrible that it’s like I have to “pick a side”. How amazing for people from years ago to be able to have no doubts about entering a Catholic Church, knowing your getting the Catholic Church. And I think Melanie hits right to the heart of it for me… When I get upset i try to remember where my faith has to rest on… Truth cannot change
Blunder, you are misreading Johnno’s comment. He does not “really like Galileo.” He is a proponent of geocentricism (which I appreciate). What I don’t appreciate is your ad hominem comments toward Robert Sungenis whose good work I am familiar with. Your comments show a lack of Catholic charity.
Johnno, perhaps your best rant ever. You are exactly right in pointing out that inquisitions are nothing new and continue to this day under many different names. Catholics should never be ashamed of Catholic inquisitions since we hold the only True Faith, all others being false and from Satan. Only the Catholic Faith has the moral right from God to exist. All others should be attacked by whatever means necessary and moral. No error should ever be allowed to stand unchallenged.
Again, it seems that Blunderful is not living on Earth.
Blunder lives on a planet – a wandering star – which is a reality far different where details about the complex system of Justice in America is swell and perfect.
Maybe someone ought to recommend Blunder stop posting, and go check out documented evidence, such as those found in books such as ‘The Tyranny of Good Intentions’ by Lawrence M. Stratton and Paul Craig Roberts. Or ‘Just Mercy’ by lawyer Bryan Stevenson about the frame-up of an innocent man by Blunder’s favourite utterly corrupt secular law system. Or even the better known ‘Three Laws a Day’ by Harvey Silverglate where the average American is guilty of at least 3 federal criminal violations a day.
Forget about the rest of the ‘planet’, Blunder doesn’t know what is occurring within the borders of his own nation! He’s probably still wondering how that nice lady Hillary Clinton could lose the election. After all she was the Novus Ordo Bishop’s favourite candidate!
But no, Blunder doesn’t want to talk about that, he wants to denounce the Inquisition, he wants to use words like “Theocracy” in a BAD WAY! Because according to him, secularism somehow avoids all these problems under the doctrine of ‘religious freedom’! Despite ALL the evidence and organizations I listed above in my ‘quite a reply’ that demonstrate every day that we already live in a Freemasonic Theocracy, where Man is at the Center and the only law is to Do What Thou Wilt, so long as those in positions of power are not impeded.
The Catholic Church and individual Catholics standing up against abortion and homosexuality are sure having a swell time. Just so long as they agree to make the wedding cakes, and sign on the dotted line that they accept the Values of the Liberal Government in return for federal benefits.
Blunder, continues to blunder around on another planet, which is not the location we are living on.
No, that’s called fearing man more than God.
I am well aware that such a thing is not easy, and I myself do not imagine I’m some blessed courageous holy martyr.
But the fact is that we must be prepared to be burnt for the sake of the Truth, who is Jesus Christ when we are blatantly confronted.
It’s one thing to go around looking for trouble. But trouble is at our doorstep, and demanding we kiss their ring and trample on the image of Christ and the Truth, or suffer and/or die.
Many Americans have already made a stand. Would you bake the gay wedding cakes for the sake of religious tolerance, Blunder? Are you still so deluded to imagine that the enemy is avoiding the rules he expects you to follow in his fixed game where we pretend there is no objective truth?
Nobody is asking you to put together an army and revolt. We are asking you to be philosophically consistent with what you profess to believe in – which means there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. And that government is OBLIGATED to defend and promote the Truth of the True Religion.
By the way, I have an “axe to grind” against the Jews as well. They killed Jesus Christ and continue to persecute Christ and His Church to this day. I can’t quite seem to get over this. As far as geocentricism is concerned, it certainly is not “nonsense.” If you accept Einstein’s Theory of Relativity then you have to accept an immovable Earth as a valid inertial frame. Heliocentrism is preferred and promoted by scientists for philosophical reasons only.
Generations of Catholics had it easy. Those generations lived off the fruits of the early martyrs. Yet man being a fallen creature, he became lazy and now faith is hard to find. So we modern day Catholics are again forced to bear witness like earlier Catholics and make a hard choice. The world or the Faith. This choice is not new. It is the fundamental question aksed of all. Whom do yo say that I am? Jesus asked Peter and He asks us. Our answer has tremendous, serious, and eternal consequences. It is not easy to say He is God and then act like we mean it. It is very easy to pay lipservice to Christ by saying He is God but then acting in our daily lives like He is just a man. IsleRoos1, it is not horrible that we have to pick sides, it is what is asked of all us.
John314, I thought Einstein’s ToR was conjurred up to help explain why science could not prove the Earth was in motion?
Blunder once again shows his dishonest self, considering I’ve already provided Blunder the evidence against Keating Corp’s slander in previous comment sections, where Blunder ran away.
One need only pick up the 1000+ page book ‘Galileo Was Wrong, The Church Was Right’ and glance at its contents to know whether or not Sungenis somehow obtained a “fake PhD” over the course of a weekend from a “diploma mill.” Especially considering the final product, based on Sungenis’ thesis for his accreditation, was also co-authored by another fully accredited PhD, Dr. Robert Bennet, from a source more to Blunder and Keating’s liking.
And the Church’s position regarding Galileo WAS A MATTER OF FAITH considering the sentencing against him and his two propositions was defined and declared as “FORMALLY HERETICAL” under the strongest possible language and then imposed with FULL PAPAL BACKING upon the entire Christian World, where even the Catholic editors of Newton’s book had to distance themselves from his views out of obedience to the Roman Pontiffs. But Isaac Newton himself in an unpublished proposition admitted the Geocentric model was viable. And even Galileo himself had recanted and defended the Church against heliocentric proponents seeking to use him again in the latter days of his life.
But it seems that Blunder and Keating are more worried about the PR and optics and would rather protect the Jews before they protect the Catholic Church. Which is why Keating threatened Sungenis by getting his ecumenical friends over at B’nai Brith to attack him. And Keating certainly loves his own loose relationship with the Truth, given the lengths he had to go to distort Sungenis’ criticisms of ecumenism, Talmudic Judaism, and inquiries about the precise number of dead during the Holocaust in order to turn him into some anti-semite holocaust denier, first and foremost because Keating himself is fully on board the new orientation where we play nicely with the Jews, to the point where many bishops believe the Jews don’t need to convert and can retain their own old separate covenant, outside of the Catholic Church, which Sungenis criticized, and Keating did not like very much, and it seems likely that neither does Blunder, least the world of public opinion think he is anti-Semitic for daring to say the Jews need to convert and be baptised Catholics.
Let’s see how far Blunder can go if he were to suggest that maybe it wasn’t 6 million Jews who died, but probably more like 5 million 9 hundred 99 thousand… based on the book-keeping of the actual concentration camps. I wonder how the secular world would treat him for such academic freedom?!
And Blunder thinks there is no other ‘Inquisition’ any more!
Well it’s all well and good with Blunder, so long as that New Inquisition is not run by the Catholics! But if it’s run by the Jews, the Liberals, the sexually degenerate, the military industrial complex… then everything is fine! Just not the Catholics… otherwise *gasp*shock*horror* people will compare us to Islam!
TomA
The Special Theory of Relativity (STR) was conjured up to deny the Geocentric model. But that theory had problems and didn’t account for several things, such as Gravity etc.
Einsteain later modified it to present us with the new General Theory of Realitivity (GTR). But in this one, he had to admit that both heliocentric and geocentric models were equally valid coordinate systems according to the mathematics, but proposed we could never know for certain as far as evidence was concerned, and thus heliocentricity was accepted purely on faith alone. Because when your worldview is evolutionary and based on chance rather than on God as a Creator, then the odds of a Geocentric system coming about are heavily unlikely. So if Geocentrism was true, it would more strongly point towards Intelligent Design rather than a product of random happenstance.
The mystic St. Hildegard of Bigen described the entire universe as an intricate clockwork mechanism where everything plays its part to maintain an extraordinarily incredible ecosystem that maintains and regulated everything on the Earth. To a point where she stated mankind would never ever be capable of fully comprehending God’s work. To consider it all would bring one to his knees in absolute holy terror of God’s awful majesty and power!
Cardinal Ratzinger was aware of all this, as was Cardinal Poupard, who wrote John Paul II’s speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences for his Galileo ‘apology.’ Hence, while being both heliocentrists themselves, instead of upholding the Church’s definition of heresy against Galileo’s propositions, they relied on the ambiguity of Einstein’s General Relativity to declare that Science was tricky and nobody could declare the Truth one way or another, and every PhD sitting there knew what JPII and Ratzinger were talking about, whereas the Blunderbusses and regular people of the world and schoolchildren are never informed about this sacred mystery of science. Just how bad and backward that there Bible, and Catholic Church, and silly Popes and very very bad torturous Inquisitors were. The actual Truth is only for the initiate at the higher levels of scientific gnostic mystic learning. Can’t allow the common man to find out! That would upset the apple cart! They might actually take the Church seriously again!
Johnno and or John314, can you explain to us the experiments in the 1800s that tried to prove the earth was on motion. I can’t remember the name. I am in no way a heliocentrist. It makes more sense that Christ would incarnate himself at the center of the Universe. I just dont agree that its an article of faith necessary for salvation. A future Pope will have to address the matter. But on the science, I agree with you.
An interview with someone who knew Bella Dodd and the author of “The Last Roman Catholic”, a book about our last pastor who was head of Ecclesia Dei at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-bVkUlNFfw
A real university where you can get a PhD: https://www.princeton.edu
Where Robert Sungenis got his “PhD”: http://www.unicalamus.org
So typical of the left. Deflect from what is actually proposed by attacking an external. Where this guy went to school has no bearing on the legitimacy of the propositions proposed. You fall back on ad hominem attacks because it is all you have left after being totally defeated intellectually.
Tom A – I don’t do ad hominem. A person claiming expertise in astronomy and astrophysics and using a PhD in his name is claiming to be an expert in the field. If the degree is phony, it certainly calls into question their credibility. You would not trust a doctor with a fake MD to do surgery on you. You would not allow a lawyer with a fake JD to represent you in court. Not should you trust the opinions of a man touting a fake PhD, especially in areas touching your faith.
Blunder I just noticed above your statement that I advocate for a Theocracy. Where the heck did I say that? We live under a humanistic Gnostic Freemasonic society mainly because Catholics do NOT know the Faith. I should know because for years after my in laws died the Freemasons sent us their “Master Mason” ragazine .
I especially enjoyed reading the section on Catholic saints and how they held up the principles of Gnostcism in their lives. All essays alleged to have been written by novus ordo katholic Free Masons. Or how about this direct mocking of Our Lady, in one section about Masonic family life wherein they use the motto ,”The Family that PLAYS together Stays Together”. Yes Blunder it was an eye opener about what kind of REAL government philosophy we live under. Take a trip to DC to see the George Washington Masonic memorial, then zip down to Georgia to see the Georgia Guidestones and tell me why anyone would spend so much effort and money just on a conspiracy theory. You blunder are under the illusion.
Didn’t vote for Hillary (though I have no idea what that has to do with anything) and the secular law system we have is far from perfect. But if it’s that or mass murder of anyone who isn’t Catholic and any Catholic deemed not sufficiently Catholic – what you’re proposing – I’m pretty sure any sane person would choose our current system.
I told you already. Different language for Mass in the Latin Rite, most priests don’t wear dresses anymore, and we don’t do religious wars anymore because in 2000 years they accomplished nothing. Faith still the same as it was.
Well, you hate Jews, deny that the Holocaust happened, want to burn apostates (as you define them) and gays. Sounds exactly like radical Islam sans suicide attacks.
You can find plenty of Sungenis videos on YouTube. See the phoniness for yourself.
Blunder, did you just call cassocks “dresses”?
This vast, all-controlling Masonic Communist conspiracy that runs the world showed their hand in 1859 in the Alta Vendita. Plans were already well underway to destroy the Churh, the Rothschild/Rockefeller/Soros axis of evil was about to rise and the Church was about to collapse. The world’s population was to be decimated by (take your pick) vaccines, fake diseases, suppressed cancer cures, whatever.
Yes.
But over the subsequent 150 years…
The world went from just about 1 billion to over 7 billion.
The Catholic population went from under 250 million to over 1.2 billion.
Is there evil in the world? Yes. Is everything wonderful? No. Georgia Guidestones? Creepy. But nobody would put giant announcements of their diabolical plans for world-domination up like that. Not even a Bond villain or Bond villain parody like Dr. Evil.
How can you possibly believe the conspiracy stupidity peddled on YouTube by flim-flammers? If it’s true, it’s got to be the absolute worst and least effective conspiracy ever.
Guessing you’re also into 9/11 “Truther” stuff too?
I had access to all the Freemasonic books my grand pooba father and mother in law owned including their little medals they carried and got in little plastic envelopes as we do with Holy Medals. I read them and know they are a satanic ape on catholicism, only diabolically Gnostic. They were pro abortion and the Lodge was filled with adulterers and pornographic exchanges. One religion was their target to be abolished….Catholicism.
I suggest you listen to the interview the author has with a priest at the end of this article. Very matter of factly discussing how Doctrine ( “now fuzzy along the edges”) is going to be changed once enough Katholics in the NO pews ( like yourself) will accept it.
https://usa.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/pope-francis-raises-the-white-flag/
Furthermore, Jesus tells us clearly that in the End Times there will be scoffers like Blunderbuss pointing out how prophecies have not yet happened. Blunder you would not know what the Apostasy really is if it hit you on the head.
I lost a relative in 9/11 and do not appreciate that snarky comment and yes the family would like to know much more about the horror because it was extremely surreal .
Just pray you never have to endure the same Blunder Boy.
Blunder, so typical in your deflection. You have addresses accidentals and have purposely avoided the substance. Tell us if we worship the same merciful god as the muslims worship?
Fair enough Blunder, where he got his PhD is an issue as to credibility. Though mainstream universitites are no more credible these days with their theories of evolution, climate warming, etc. And associations of professionals are no longer trustworthy. At one time sodomites were considered disordered, now they are born that way. Mr. Sugenis would be better served by dropping the “Dr” prefix. However, his propositions concerning geocentrism should be addressed scientifically and not simply dismissed because he got his PhD off the internet.
I’m not scoffing at the Faith. I’m scoffing at absurd conspiracy theories and the highly questionable characters (or rather, caricatures) who promote them. If you are agitating for 700MM global population, you control everything (media, government, economy, etc.) and on your watch the population grows 7x, you’re terrible at your job/conspiracy.
The people promoting this stuff also always seem to ask for money…but that’s another topic.
I’m open-minded. Show us these Masonic materials you have and l’ll believe you.
I’m sorry for your loss. I know people who died too. I’m not mocking their deaths. I do think it’s absurd to believe that fake planes, false flag operations with no purpose, planted explosives, etc. were involved. And that the people promoting this sort of stuff are sketchy, to put it mildly. But there are plenty of other examples – lines of poisoned Popes, fake Moon landings, Pizzagate – pick a different one.
Okay I’ll pick one for you , the Bible , that you claimed on another post here that you do not read because you are not a Protestant .
Blunder ,here’s another conspiracy theory for you……………
“4.2 Million Americans Abandon The Catholic Church In Protest Of Pope Francis”
http://www.neonnettle.com/news/4244-4-2-million-americans-abandon-catholic-church-in-protest-of-pope-francis
…and then when I corrected you and said reading the Scriptures is an officially Indulgenced Prayer as proclaimed by the Church an.d that the Catholic faith is founded on scripture and Tradition as taught in any Theology 101 class, providing you with over twenty quotes from both the OT and NT condemning sodomy ………..you backtracked
Give us a break here Blunder ,you are just a TROLL
I would suggest everyone read the Apocalypse and go back and read the OT and NT prophetic words concerning the End Times. Unlike blunder who believes i make up my own interpretations, read the commentaries for the passages. I have a Bible which uses the ancient teaching commentaries from St John Chrysostom for one and he stated that when Jesus said it would be worse in the End Times than it was in Sodom and Gomorrah he explained Jesus was referring to a time when even many of His ministers would become sexually perverted. Read about the Great Apostasy and know that thanks to this Pope and the Homosexual agenda MOST millennials believe homosexuality is a normal alternate life style. We can thank the Borg and his Cardinals and Bishops and priests for this false belief which blatantly contradicts the Word of God . In case anyone was unaware the Bible is Doctrinal in that regard.
The Great Apsotasy has arrived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNzoVYNa8Zw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrpR6obK2FI
I agree Sweep. I think that is why good men are so unreasonably holding crazy ideas like, SSPX is in Communion w/Rome, an apostate is a bad Pope, like if the Ten Commandments are “loosened” more people will go to Heaven (I’d hope that one’s retroactive), like the only belief the Catholic faith ever taught infallibly was the Assumption. Who thinks they are cut out for living during the Great Apostasy, the mind rebels at the idea and comes up with less logical conclusions but more palatable ones. I think I keep reading comment sections like this in hopes someone will actually convince of one of these totally illogical conclusions because I don’t want to live through the Apocalypse. I really really don’t.
Blunder, “you don’t do “ad hominem”? Your post implies that Sungenis is a fraud. Nothing could be further from the truth. His phd is in Religious Studies and he has never claimed otherwise. Formal schooling is not the only way to learn. Seriously, do you read books? My take on Sungenis is that he is an original and logical thinker, and very adept at figuring things out and asking the right questions. His partner, Rick Delano, has no letters after his name but he is obviously a genius at physics/astronomy.
Tom A. – the experiment you are referring to is the Michelson-Morley experiment in 1887. Before that in 1871 George Airy performed an experiment with telescopes, also called “Airy’s Failure.” You can go on YouTube and find some decent graphics on how these experiments worked. Beware of the interpretations though as most of them are trying to “shill” for the “Copernican Principle”.
You can find more info at https://www.theprinciplemovie.com
When one is honest with the facts, one quickly realizes that much of what science says is settled science actually isnt. Science has become more than just a method for making measurements. It has replaced religion and tries to answer questions it has no capacity to answer.
Deep breaths Melanie, Remember there is a caveat, the AntiChrist will not appear until first the great Apostasy comes to pass.
I believe we’ve stepped into the Apostasy and that the general acceptance of homosexuality as a natural occurrence is the first step. ( Note Blunderpuss I said “I believe” ) because the great Apostasy is a general turning away from Belief in God’s Truth. As evidenced by numbers leaving the Faith in gallop poll above , the Borg is doing a good job.
Fr O’Conner rightly points out that the full fledge slaughter of infants is another sign because Satan always requires human sacrifice.
Our Holy Mother told us what our weapon was ……….The Rosary
Melanie , the aborted babies are already experiencing the Apocalypse. Their own.
sweep–What really bothers me about abortion (so many things, of course) is that the first and worst sin is on the soul of the mother–unless, of course, she is a victim herself and this dreadful act is forced on her.
Also, I have a question for Melanie. Do you believe the SSPX is in communion with Rome? Personally, I don’t think a “deal” has been announced, but their behavior says differently. Just wanting to be in communion is a BIG BIG MISTAKE—and an act of betrayal to Archbishop Lefebfvre, their parishioners and Christ.
Those of us who live sheltered lives, more or less, couldn’t possibly realize the evil in this world. For one thing, the MS-13 gangs across the world kill and torture for pleasure and offer their victims to Satan. This is only one example–I’m sure there are many. Yes, we are in the End Times.
Sweep says “general acceptance of homosexuality as a natural occurrence is the first step”
Lol. AT MOST, 3-4 percent of the population are homosexual. Up to 90 percent of straight Catholics practice contraception. A huge number are involved in heterosexual oral sodomy. Another huge percentage watch pornography and masturbate.
And then you have the spectacle of almost universal rightist approval of a president of the US who had sex with a porn star while his 3rd “wife” was nursing his youngest son.
God is allowing the sifting of the wheat in our time. Poor rightists have eyes but they can’t see.
My2cents, I don’t think they are in communion with Rome. I know how you feel, like they are about to make a deal w/the devil. But, their very existence really doesn’t make sense to me. Catholics have to be in union with the Holy See. I know that Papolatry is extremely out of favor because the Pope isn’t Catholic and I don’t think I do suffer from Papolatry but I am a Papist. I know a Priest offers valid and licit Sacraments because he is in union w/Rome. So, I don’t know, I hope Archbishop Lefebvre did the right think but I don’t know for sure that he did. I just still worry about being obedient even though I am unsure about where the proper authority lies.
Bible is not a Masonic text. I don’t think you have Masonic texts proving your point that you claimed to have.
Not sure what your point is. Everything you just mentioned is celebrated, or at the very least, accepted by modern society as normal. Naturalistic reasons for it all. No more sin, no more hell, no fear of God…no more faith.
Wasn’t always like this, I’m sure you would agree. What is your theory on how things changed so drastically? So rapidly? And no, I’m not saying these things didn’t occur generations ago. I’m saying it was at least considered shameful to the point people wouldn’t celebrate it. That people had a real and genuine fear of offending God with real consequences for it.
One of the most significant ways of being in communion with another is to share a unity of faith. If you believe x and the other person believes y, well you are not in communion with that person on that issue. The Catholic Faith dictates that we believe x in regards to faith and morals because the Pope and bishops teach x in regards to faith and morals. Currently, the pope and bishops (who many assume are Catholic) are teaching y in regards to faith and morals and the SSPX and many others who claim they are in union with the pope and bishops still believe x in regards to faith and morals. Their “communion” is nothing more than lipservice. It is simply absurd when I hear some traditionally oriented Catholic claim he is in union with Rome. Have you been paying attention to what has been coming out of Rome since V2? Heresy, blasphemy, and apostasy. I am in no way, shape, or form in union with those heretics, blasphemers, and apostates. Neither is Blunder, Gang, or Ignatio no matter what they claim. Their self proclaimed union is a sham because they are cowards, in fear of losing human respect.
Exactly IslesRoo1 , There is a general falling away and even more frightening , an absolute diminishing of Fear of the Lord.
Ganganelli seems to think this is funny.He has souls divided into left and right as if he is God Himself.
The Psalmist writes, “Arise Oh Lord and let those who hate they Commandments flee before Thy Face.” St Paul tells us not to be mistaken, neither fornicators ,adulterers or the effeminate will go to heaven.
We are watching a general acceptance of mortal sin becoming the norm. That is frightening to anyone who truly has Fear of the Lord. Understand what most men found so revolting ,that it was once a crime , is now being accepted by a younger generation as normal. I hardly think this funny.
Well, Melanie, you’re hitting the wall many here hit a while ago, where you realize that the Sedevacantist position requires some insane stretches and squeezes to resemble anything credible.
You’re at a crossroads where you can realize that this is silly and find a good Catholic parish where you’re comfortable with the priests and the way Mass is celebrated and return to the Faith.
Or you can continue down this path, try finding priests that you can believe are validly ordained (you’ll learn what “Thuc line” means) and drift further and further from the Church until you join the Home Aloners here.
What are you two taking about?
Catholic Church membership is slowly declining in Western Europe and North America – along with all religion.
Catholicism is growing in other parts of the world.
But I guess God only cares about what the white European and European-descendant folks do and is going to punish Africa for it along with everyone else.
I guess we just share different meanings of what the Catholic Church is. I don’t see it as some sort of card carrying club, where I simply declare an allegiance to modern man, and can now sit back and relax, and mock and laugh at those un-enlightened nut jobs who are still buying into silly superstitions.
Can you not grasp the magnitude of what has happened? Following Christ has ALWAYS been mocked. Nothing new, except it used to be the secular world. Now His very Church seems to be doing it and that scares me beyond belief.
Thank you for posting this, in time our Lord promised all will be revealed….
Our Lady of Good Success
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo0iHXUTu6g
Blessed Ann Catherine Emmerich appeared to see something similar.
https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2014/08/16/blessed-anne-catherine-emmerichs-prophecy-on-the-two-popes/
No doubt both will be mocked by Blunder and Gang.
According to radical Traditionalists, following Christ wasn’t mocked at all in the mythical good old pre-Vatican 2 days and was actually the norm. I don’t think that was the case in most of the world, but since true Catholicism is apparently solely a Western European and North American enterprise, I guess you’re right. Gregorian chant pleases God and African hymns disgust Him. The faith of a village of South American native converts is nothing to a deity that has a fancy cathedral somewhere else. Perhaps we do worship different gods after all.
I don’t understand your remarks about sitting back and relaxing. Being Catholic is difficult enough without inventing imaginary enemies, buying into vague and/or phony apocalyptic prophets and prophecies, and brainwashing yourself into paranoid hysteria with conspiracy theory YouTube videos. If Pope Francis did a 10-minute standup bit about the Dimond brothers or Father Paul “Aestuosus Maximus” Kramer, I’d be laughing right along with every other sane Catholic.
My faith doesn’t boil down to optics and having a proper representation of demographics as if it were a modern day Starbucks. Why is it such a problem for you that civilization flourished in certain areas that embraced Christ as their King?
A demographic perspective I do not think any Catholics can brag about.
The map is looking pretty green to me. Green symbolizing Islam.
https://brilliantmaps.com/fastest-religion/
Now maybe this does not bother some Catholics but it bothers me because I wonder where Catholicism is headed in our nation. Looks like the post V2 Church experiment has failed miserably and despite what is said about Africa, Islam is way ahead of Catholicism garnering adherents.
http://www.startribune.com/study-shows-why-young-catholics-leave-the-church/475709783/
“They stopped believing in God. They saw a disconnect between what Catholics say and what they do. They disagreed with the church’s stance on social issues such as homosexuality and birth control.
They are the growing numbers of young Catholics leaving the church — the focus of a new national study to examine why they’re departing and where they’re landing. It’s an issue that worries church leaders across the country.
“Leaving the [Catholic] church crosses all age groups, but the fastest growing demographic is age 18 to 29,” said John Vitek, president of Saint Mary’s Press in Winona, which commissioned the study.”
Thats right blinder, nothing to see here. The V2 church is fine, move along. Find yourself a nice little NO parish where Father Ted isnt too much of a flamer like the others. Thats your role Blunder, traffic cop. You know as well as we do that there’s been an horrific accident but its too much to bear so the people must be coaxed to just pass on by as if it weren’t a big deal. You are a shill for the status quo. You cannot face your own fears about the state of the Church so you urge others to keep their head in the sand like you. Safety in numbers, its a herd instinct when there is danger. You never accept my offer to discuss the contradictions of V2 and therefore show no charity toward confused Catholics who are looking for truth. You stand by the accident telling us to stay on track, nothing to see here, move along. Well guess what folks, the bridge is out down the road and if you take blunders advise and remain on the NO highway, you will be the next accident scene.
What I’m saying has nothing to do with demographics or optics. Many commenters, and this blog’s proprietor, present apocalyptic fringe theories as facts based upon personal interpretation of scripture and “revelations”, YouTube videos, and extremely selective statistical comparisons. The last is usually based upon a Euro- and North American-centric view of the Church, which is absurd considering the universal aspiration of the Church to baptize all people.
Civilization did flourish in Catholic countries. It flourished in Pagan countries before that. If you want to choose a faith based upon a European numbers and real estate game in the future, best throw your lot in with the “nones”.
I prefer to look at the Church as a whole realistically and it saddens me to see that many ex-Catholics here are so focused on drawing people away from the Church. At least a Protestant says “We have a better way to worship God. Join us.” The folks here just say “the Catholic Church is corrupt and must be destroyed. I am a wonderful Catholic.” You can EENS all day but I’m pretty sure the Protestant who lives a good life gets into heaven ahead of the other one.
Or perhaps I’m wrong and you’re actually creating saints (albeit inadvertently) because any rational non-Catholic who reviewed the ridiculous claims and links in this article’s combox alone could only reach the conclusion that Catholicism is a really strange and unhappy faith best avoided. Seriously, think about a Muslim who’s a good guy who reads this. You think he’s going to consider ditching his faith and signing up for a Church that is completely invisible, continually at war with itself, with a clergy that’s 99% pedophiles, and all this as God is about to destroy the world? I would say that that surely constitutes the most invincible of ignorance.
God does indeed work in mysterious ways…
Melanie–The SSPX is not “officially” in communion with Rome, but the current leadership wants to be regularized which means they desire this communion. Why? They should be fighting the enemy–not join the enemy. Where are the generals? Where are the soldiers? This is a war! I agree with Tom A. on this. See his response.
Hi Sweep! You referenced a bible commentary in a post above. Can you give me a name or two of good commentary Bibles? I would like to have at least a general one that I could use to properly interpret what is meant in what I read. Thanks so much!
Well blunder, if a protestant who leads a good life can get to heaven, why are you on this site pleading that we trads remain in your church? Can’t we be saved also if we lead good lives?
Not for me to judge. But it’s going to be pretty tough to explain why you left the Catholic Church.
Barring mental disease or defect, the people who led/urged you out will have much, much more to explain.
I use both the Douhay Rhiems translated from the Latin and it’s Concordance and I also use this Orthodox Study Bible translated from the Greek and recommended to me by two Catholic priests ,one a Archamandrite Melkite priest ,both were Eastern Catholic Byzantine priests. The latter relies heavily on references to passage commentaries from the Early Church Fathers who are considered both Catholic and Orthodox Saints.
https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Douay-Rheims-Version/dp/1935302051
https://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Study-Bible-Hardcover-Christianity/dp/0718003594/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528114296&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=orthodox+study+bible&psc=1
And you blunder will have to answer why you accepted a gospel different than the one handed down. I may have left a building and a hierarchy, but only to keep the Faith of my ancestors. You have sold out to keep the real estate and titles.
Why is it we have yet to read one post by Ganganelli OR Blunderbuss that condemns this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R8gtSP3Guk
Rather, both continue to post condemnations of Traditional Catholics and their views.
One of them even admitted in a post they are here to point out the errors of Traditional Catholics.
Ganganelli also posts as a Never Trumper, bringing politics into this conversational arena, despite the fact that President Trump has done more to inhibit Planned Parenthood abortionists than any other President we have had thus far.
Just who are you two guys trolling for anyway?
“According to radical Traditionalists, following Christ wasn’t mocked at all in the mythical good old pre-Vatican 2 days and was actually the norm.”
No Blunder Boy , you are NOT open minded but YOU are a Radical Modernist , just as you label Faithful Catholics here, “radical traditionalists”. Not one poster including the blog host ever said ,”the Holcaust never happened.” You do not read any references cited nor do you read any of Louie’s well reasoned analysis of the current state of affairs. How do you feel about CMtv? I am curious as to your opinion of Michael Voris’ site.
My2cents, ++Lefebvre did not say, hey we have no Pope so in this emergency, I am consecrating Bishops. He said, I am disobeying the Pope and will be excommunicated but I am going to consecrate Bishops on my own because the Pope is wrong and that is an emergency. I see a big problem with that. They maintain the position that Bergoglio is the Pope therefore, rightly seek regularization. Ofcourse, he isn’t the Pope but the problem stems from the beginning. They exist from disobedience to a Pope and if he wasn’t the Pope than they, ++Lefebvre should have warned the faithful, not slunk away and formed his own Catholic Church without a Pope. And TomA speaks of believing in x vs. y but SSPX believes in z because they teach that only a couple teachings, like the Assumption were infallibly taught by the Church and the Pope has no authority if he they think that he is wrong, including excommunications and beatifications. If it isn’t just the end of the world and there is someone left alive with the authority, they need to get us a Pope, not Bishops or Priests.
Blunderbuss and Ganganelli are likely perfidious Jews and/or perverts of the sodomite variety; most likely they’re both perfidious Jews and sodomite perverts. Thus their depravity knows no limits. Hence they have nothing but evil to say of actual (“traditional”) Catholics, but never fail to rush to the defense of perfidious Jews and stinking sodomite perverts. Such are the children of the devil.
Oy Vey ! Alphonse. Perfidy and depravity ? Have we succumbed to their talmudic conspiracy by attempting to communicate rationally with them ? Heavens no ! Corporal works of Mercy of instructing the ignorant has been for naught yet this “Radical Traditional” Eastern Byzantine Catholic has Faith that young lions go hungry but those who seek the Lord have want of no good thing. Prayers for Ganganelli and his friend Blunder.
Luke 18.8…..”I tell you, But when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”
2 Thess 2:10 “because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying”
Matthew 7:15,16…”Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their fruits you shall know them.”
St. Athanasius : “Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ
Prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi : There will be an uncanonically elected Pope who will cause a great schism
Prophecy of St. Nicholas of Fluh (1417-1487):The Church will sink deeper and deeper until she will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters
St. Robert Bellarmine: “It is granted to few to recognize the true Church amid the darkness of so many schisms and heresies, and to fewer still so to love the truth which they have seen as to fly to its embrace.”
Prophecy of Blessed Anna Maria Taigi “After the three days of darkness, St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and designate a new Pope. A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope”
Lady of La Salette…. “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. The Church will be in an eclipse”
Fulton Sheen in 1948: The 20th Century will See a Counter-Church that Resembles the Catholic Church
to deceive even the Elect”
Paul VI, 1972: “The Smoke of Satan has entered the Church.”
When dealing with reprobate scum like Blunderbuss and Ganganelli, it’s always good to remember that every word they say is meant to foster maximum moral license for themselves and their diabolical ilk.
Well it would seem Karl Keating was entirely too kind in his assessment of The Catholic Inquisitor’s subscriber base. Louie needs to make sure he can accept Reichsmarks as payment.
That, or some of the more vocal commenters here are some sort of bizarre performance art piece/social experiment. I’m hoping for the latter.
Believe it or not Alphonse I totally agree.
I have one last thing to say .
No one ,either Trad, NO or in between seems to realize that the policy of the Vatican CDF was to hide and cover up for pedophiles. It was and continues to be with many Bishops even after their exposure via their own secret Diocesan files in the Grand Jury Investigations.
So from the FSSPers to the Novus Ordite fools ,all of you just keep donating to this pedophile machine that produces sodomite perverts who rape your children and weak lily holier than thous who dare not open their mouths from Cardinals right on down to your parish priests. Nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING will improve until you sweepoutthefilth !
You can argue about the V2 mess and the loss of the Latin Mass OR the ” Love ” of the pervert protecting Borg you may call Pope or not . FYI Ratz was not one ounce better and neither was the stupid so called Saint before him whom Opus Dei got elected and canonized. Burke is a joke because he is positively no different.
But I tell you this ( and yes Blunder idiot and Gang) here I make my own prophecy……….only God and Our Holy Mother know the pain
each and every Catholic mother and father has felt whose child has been sodomized , whose child has been told to love and forgive those who truly have no remorse, and ONLY GOD will judge because the vast majority of those who call themselves Catholics cannot and will not understand this suffering and betrayal of the institutional Catholic Church. Keep fighting among yourselves, I promise you Our Father’s retribution in coming. You all better wake up and live in Fear of the Lord.
Still not seeing those Masonic documents you claimed to have….
Voris is quite a character. As he generally seems to not call for butchering gays or Jews, and is not calling for a Inquisiton to put lukewarm Catholics to death, I like him a lot better than several people here who do call for these things.
Thank you!
More virtue signaling from blunder. You need a new act. Simply tossing the mainstream virtue slurs at us right wing trads doesnt work anymore. Can you at least be creative and use another tack?
Exactly. Diabolical scum like the feculent Blunderbuss fail to understand that cries of RAAAAAACISSS are becoming increasingly ineffective as more and more European people throw off (((their))) programming of suicidally xenophilic white ethnomasochism and hence subscribe to such Youtube channels as VertigoPolitix, American Renaissance, and Black Pigeon Speaks, and read such websites as Vdare, The Occidental Observer, and American Renaissance, all of which enjoy the extreme distinction of being labeled by the perfidious (((SPLC))) as RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCISSSS and thus as “hate groups.” Wonderful! RAAAAAAACCCCISSSSSSS??? I just don’t give a damn.
“Not being a Nazi” isn’t a “mainstream virtue slur”, nor is it “virtue signaling”. It’s “being Catholic.”
It’s funny, striking, and telling how Trads here are unwilling to accept a Mass in English or versus populum orientation, but are willing to embrace people like Obergruppenfuhrer AdolphusJr and the positions they espouse.
To be fair, though, Adolphus’ YouTube channel isn’t nearly as offensive: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCPYoUeXM7MqknzbuGRgrU7g/videos
LOL
Really Blunder ?
You don’t think you will pay some price?
If it ain’t your kid who cares? What Unity ! what communion you have with your fellow Catholics who have and are suffering. remember this is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance according to the Church itself. In your silence towards your church leadership , you condemn yourself.
No your too busy attacking other Catholics on blogs.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. You’ve put links to many websites about many issues – seems like I missed one and somehow I’m in trouble for not responding to it?
You mentioned Church leadership. If you don’t acknowledge them as leaders, why would you care?
But I’m guessing this is somehow connected to priests who molest kids. If so, as far as I’m concerned, hang any priest convicted via due process of molesting a kid. Any rite, any time.
Hope that answers your question.
Do you also agree with the Holy Ghost, spoken through St. Paul at Romans 1:32, that both sodomites and their supporters are worthy of death?
Sure sure, you never speak out about this until put on the spot.It’s been rotting from the top down but i just bet you still add your dollars to the coverup cause .Your pope is just the greatest Blunder.
http://stumblingblock.org/?m=201806
Blunder since we were all subjected to your poll as to where we attend Mass …………
Do you pray the Rosary daily for the conversion of sinners and the intentions of Our Holy Mother?
I wonder since you mock prophecy at every step and apparently do not ascribe to St de Montfort’s prophetic words concerning the End Times.First the destruction of the visible institutional church to be followed by the Fire of the Holy Ghost on those people especially consecrated to Mary.
AdolphusJr, Romans 1 mentions many other things, including gossip and calumny. Hmmm.
Sweep, I don’t pray the Rosary every day and probably should more often. I respect and admire those who do. The Catholic Church says you need to go to weekly Mass, not pray a daily Rosary. And praying a daily Rosary is not an alternate option if you don’t attend Mass.
Last week, I contributed to my parish and to some sort of mission fund. There was no collection of “dollars to the coverup cause,” though perhaps this is something done in other parishes.
I don’t mock prophecy. I do call out patently false prophecies and mock self-appointed prophets who say that the proof of their nonsense in contained in secret, made-up sources or “unrevealed” Third Secrets whose content they’ve “logocally” determined.
I recall St. Louis referring to the destruction of the visible Church as the beginning of the end times, but as there are over a billion very visible Catholics today, it would seem that it’s not happening at the moment.
Blunder, it is a real fact of life that many Catholics living under corrupt Diocesan Bishops ,really do not have a reverent Liturgy to attend within driving distance .
Too bad your brain cannot comprehend that fact.
With his false compassion, constant defense of perfidious Jews and stinking sodomites, etc. etc. etc., Blunderbuss reeks of the raw sewage of hell’s deepest bowels. Engage with him no more.
I agree with Alphonsus, Jr. It’s impossible to play tennis if your opponent never hits the ball back to you. Don’t hit the ball back in Blunder’s side of the court.
Still waiting on those Masonic texts you claimed to have, Sweep….
Don’t worry , I’m finished arguing with the walking talking brainless.
I have no more time to spend on anyone who supports this faithless pro sodomite Hierarchy.
“How many of these free floating religious Movements in the Church can continue to operate before the Church cracks down on them? Wasn’t the SSJ episode enough?
Father Intriago is accused of having abused at least 10 adolescents in his parish in Guayaquil beginning about a dozen years ago. He was suspended in 2013.
Father Intriago founded the Christian Life Movement, an offshoot of Sodalitium, in Ecuador. Young men who are now in their 20s reported that the priest told them to strip naked or to their underwear and that he tied them with ropes and blindfolded them, dragged them across the floor, hung them from bars or administered electric shocks in a practice he called “the dynamic of sin.” ‘
Vatican denies protecting founder of Peruvian movement accused of abuse
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/06/05/vatican-denies-protecting-founder-of-peruvian-movement-accused-of-abuse/
My first instinct is to agree with you. My second instinct is to ask if he may be worth our effort still. Should we shake the dust off of our feet yet? I always look to try (maybe to a fault) to keep reaching out.
One only throws pearls to swine when dealing with the feculent likes of Blunderbuss and Ganganelli.