At Holy Mass yesterday, the sermon delivered by Fr. Joel Kiefer, FSSP (a gifted preacher) was focused on the evil of lying as discussed in the Roman Catechism’s treatment of the Eighth Commandment, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
The Roman Catechism, quoting the words of Solomon, reminds us that the Lord “hateth” six things, but there is a seventh that He “despiseth” (i.e., that which He finds especially repugnant), and that is “a deceitful witness that uttereth lies.”
Considering recent news out of Rome, the timing of yesterday’s sermon was remarkable if not providential.
It has come to light (see Edward Pentin’s report) that the now infamous letter of Benedict the Abdicator commenting on the series of books, Theology of Pope Francis, includes the following paragraph that the Vatican deliberately attempted to hide from public view:
Only as an aside, I would like to note my surprise at the fact that among the authors is also Professor Hünermann, who during my pontificate had distinguished himself by leading anti-papal initiatives. He played a major part in the release of the “Kölner Erklärung”, which, in relation to the encyclical “Veritatis splendour”, virulently attacked the magisterial authority of the Pope, especially on questions of moral theology. Also the “Europaische Theologengesellschaft”, which he founded, was initially conceived by him as an organization in opposition to the papal magisterium. Later, the ecclesial sentiment of many theologians prevented this orientation, allowing that organization to become a normal instrument of encounter among theologians.”
So, let’s engage in a little deductive reasoning, shall we:
God despiseth a deceitful witness that uttereth lies. By hiding the aforementioned portion of Benedict’s letter in order to make it appear as an endorsement for the books they hope to sell, the Vatican’s PR team is clearly guilty of propagating a deceitful witness that uttereth lies. Therefore, God despiseth the behavior of the Vatican’s PR team.
The Roman Catechism is a wonderful resource, but let’s be honest:
By the light of the natural law alone even a heathen can discern that the Creator despises such wickedness as that which has been perpetrated by the Vatican.
In a futile attempt to explain away its deceitfulness, the Vatican issued a statement that served only to deepen the hole by divulging that Benedict’s letter “was confidential.”
Yes, you read that correctly:
No portion of Benedict’s letter, which was addressed directly to Msgr. Dario Viganò, Prefect of the Secretariat for Communications, was ever supposed to be made public.
In spite of having violated Benedict’s confidence, given that this was done in order to burnish the image of the Heretic-in-Chief, one assumes that Viganò’s position is still safe; unless, of course, he is made a bishop and given a promotion.
In any case, what may not be so evident is the wickedness of the man that most people seem to consider the victim.
As made evident in his confidential letter, Benedict is deeply dismayed that the likes of Professor Peter Hünermann are included among the authors of Theology of Pope Francis.
Note well the reason:
He played a major part in virulently attacking the magisterial authority of the Pope, especially on questions of moral theology in relation to the encyclical Veritatis Splendor.
Readers may recall that the Dubia cites Veritatis Splendor in no less than three of its five yes/no questions, and it does so in such a way as to attest to the heretical nature of the so-called “theology of Francis” as made plain in Amoris Laetitia.
And now we find Benedict rightly pointing out, not only the scandal of giving Peter Hünermann a quasi-official platform from which to broadcast his anti-magisterial views, but even more importantly, the danger of attacking the immutable “moral truths” reiterated in Veritatis Splendor!
This is the same letter in which Benedict hails the “profound philosophical and theological formation” of Francis – the author of Amoris Laetitia – while declaring the “interior continuity” that exists between their two pontificates.
At this, let us consider yet again the Roman Catechism, which tells us that the Eighth Commandment “forbids hypocrisy” and “prohibits dissimulation;” the latter referring to “actions, as well as words,” that serve to conceal “what is in our mind.”
With this in our mind, it is clear that the most important revelation to emerge from the Vatican letter fiasco isn’t so much that Benedict was victimized by duplicitous men who betrayed his confidence, but rather that Benedict is actively victimizing the entire Church by virtue of his own hypocrisy and dissimulation.
No real shocker here, I suppose. After all, this is the same Josef Ratzinger who has long played a major role in the Vatican’s deception surrounding the Third Secret of Fatima, and, according to the Roman Catechism, lying “is an almost incurable disease.”
The Roman Catechism goes on to denounce as violations of the Eighth Commandment “flattery and insincere praise;” ultimately stating that the “most impious lies of all” are those “uttered against or regarding religion.”
In the end, we – that is, people the world over – are the victims of the Vatican’s latest act of fakery; though it must be said that Jesus Christ alone is worthy of much better.
As for Ratzinger, Viganò, and Bergoglio; they deserve one another as each one, in their own way, is a liar of the most detestable kind.
It must be painful to have to put up with this nagging question, but who ordained Fr. Joel Kiefer, FSSP?
Was the bishop who ordained him consecrated in the traditional rite? Or was he consecrated the new 1968 rite of Paul VI?
This new rite of episcopal Consecration does not appear to meet the minimum necessary criteria for validity, which is easily found in Pius XII’s Sacramentum Ordinis, 1947.
I don’t mean to derail your article Louie, but this issue, larger than any latest Vatican fiasco of the week, simply won’t go away.
No, painful is having to repeat myself: Stay on topic.
Would you consider writing a piece on this issue sometime, based on your own research (ie not what many do by just quoting a Fr Hesse or somebody), the way you have well handled the new mass and the Council?
It would be a great topic.
Now, back to the article.
Hello The Papal Subject,
Louie is simply not following his trail of reasoning back to its wellspring. While he routinely identifies Mr. Bergoglio as being something other than Catholic and therefore correctly concluding that he simply cannot be the Pope and he is now also identifying Fr. Ratzinger in a similar light, he does not then draw the clear line of right reasoning back into his own sphere of what he believes to be his own “Catholic reality”. Apparently, he doesn’t want to believe that if Bergoglio is not the Pope and Ratzinger was not the Pope before him, on down the line all the way to Roncalli who called the false council, which Louie correctly points out over time that this same false council teaches heresy and therefore it is not Catholic, that somehow in light of this reality, his own “priest” can somehow truly be a Catholic priest who has undergone a change in his very ontology through the Sacrament of Holy Orders. Louie’s line of reasoning suggests that this Sacrament could somehow be validly conferred without having had a true Pope in decades to select his Shepherds, the Bishops, as only the Successor of Peter can do. In truth, this is all quite simple. The questions for Louie are simple: Can the Catholic Church hold and teach heresy? Can the Successor of Peter then hold the heretical teaching from a “Council”, any iota of it or all of it, as being the teaching of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church? There are many examples, as Louie himself has pointed out over time, that are heretical in VCII. Those examples place an absolute affront to the perennial teaching of Holy Mother Church and in the case of Lumen Gentium (the so called, “Dogmatic Constitution on the Church”) paragraph 16, it invokes a blasphemy of blasphemies, while placing an affront to divine Revelation, as it literally as actually denies the divine Triune Person hood of Almighty God Himself, reducing the most Holy Trinity to the equivalence of Allah, the demon demi-god of the Mohammedan. You cannot make this stuff up. The servants of Lucifer, dressed in the “robes of the Church”, crafted the language at the “Council” and every “Pope” since has embraced it as authentic Catholic teaching, because they endorse it as an authentic, Catholic, Ecumenical Council.
In the final analysis, if the Catholic Church can hold anywhere in its teaching, heresy as Truth, then the Son of God failed when He commanded His Church to prevail against the gates of Hell unto the consummation of the world. Since the Son of God cannot fail, this creature beast thing from hell that calls itself the Catholic Church, since the “Council” which teaches heresy, by placing an affront to divine Revelation, simply cannot be the Catholic Church which Christ our Lord and God commanded into being. Why? Because the Catholic Church cannot both teach heresy and be the “Catholic Church” at the same time that the Catholic Church cannot teach heresy and be the Catholic Church, which the Son of God commanded into being. To suggest otherwise is to cause an absurdity by placing an affront to the metaphysical law of non-contradiction, which God cannot do, as an absurdity is not real, therefore it cannot exist, because it has non-being and Almighty God is the Author of being as Being Himself. All of the semantics about validity of Sacraments matters not when you know with divine certitude that the church which confers those sacraments in question simply cannot be the Catholic Church which Christ established. As it cannot be the Catholic Church, its sacraments simply cannot be the Sacraments. I pray this helps. In caritas.
No good deed goes unpunished, Louie. Will Christ judge along “camp” lines? I doubt it. Keep up the good work.
If you can’t trust someone with small trivial things, how can they be trusted with larger important matters. This episode concerns such a minor trivial and inconsequential matter. Yet the powers to be occupying the Vatican felt it necessary to lie. Why would anyone trust these liars with their eternal soul?
Because, Tom, as you surely know, the faithful only have “authority” to judge what is the Catholic Church; none whatsoever to judge what isn’t.
I hope this helps.
Sorry to sound obtuse, but how can you find out who ordained a priest, or where/when they went to seminary, where they graduates, etc… So you can tell what rite was used by their bishop. I have had great difficulty learning this about most priests without asking then point blank.
I am concerned regarding the fact that devout traditional Catholics cannot find agreement because it seems to me that regardless of the perspective there is always ONE peice of the puzzle that each perspective is missing, where we have to draw a logical conclusion as best we can, but there is never complete certainty for me that any one is right. I accept all the heresy, but the specific consequences (ordinations, validity of the NO [as in does consecration occur or not], does the validity depend on the form or the intention of the priest, or both, similar with confessions) but I can’t seem to find the last definitive piece of the puzzle that has me 100% sure, so it leaves me consistently in a moral quandry over which side to err on because THAT is not even clear to me. Maybe I am alone in feeling such confusion, but I know this chaos is not from God, so it makes me concerned that all the complexity we are trying to figure out is somehow not from God either. This is certainly a chastisement. I guess my original point is that, I am not confident that I can tell people the CONSEQUENCE of the heresy, or of the deviations in form, I am only morally comfortable sharing with people the root problem, I always feel like I have to leave it to them to, with prayer, draw their own conclusion, because I so strongly fear misguiding people and the consequences if I do to their soul. So, if Louie is choosing to not connect all the dots in his public writings, it may be for good reason.
I apologize for the spelling and grammatical errors, its been a long day I hope I was coherent enough that my point came across.
Yes. Incredible sermon. God feeds His sheep through the great prayers, sacrifices, and sermons of such a priest. God is so good to us. My cup is overflowing with the many graces and rich gifts sent directly from Our Lord lately in my life. I, for one, greatfully thank God for this recent gift. God is extremely generous, beyond anything I could have ever imagined. It is overwhelmingly magnificent. The Mass is the greatest prayer….I finally get what that means. I finally see it. Yes. It is true.
All the rest is something He will take care of, no need to worry.
I’ll try to keep this as short as I can for simplicity.
The teaching of the Church is not hard to understand.
Any person with the use of reason must presume that Her magisterium is understandable, since the command to teach all nations is of Divine origin. God doesn’t command the impossible! The Church teaches, we learn…
Minister, matter, form and intention.
Those four things are necessary for validity.
Leo XIII said in Apostolicae Curae that “when a minister has used the requisite matter and form to effect and confer a sacrament is presumed for that very reason to have intended to do what the Church does.”
Pius XII laid down, in Sacramentum Ordinis, the exact form for Holy Orders, and said that the form must mention the order being conferred, and the grace of the Holy Ghost. Also, he said that if anyone changes the words of the form, and the new words fail to mean the same thing as the traditional form, the sacrament is invalid.
You can look this up further for yourself and compare the old rite and the new.
Pius V laid out, in De Defectibus, the exact form for the consecration of the Host and the Chalice. “Of this Form there can be no doubt”. He said, just like Pius XII regarding Holy Orders, that if anyone changes the words of the form, and the new words fail to mean the same thing as the traditional form, the sacrament is invalid.
I go to the SSPX, because they have not changed any of the rites of Orders or the Mass. There are a handful of priests who have joined the Society who were ordained in the new rite, and in the unlikely case I should happen across one of these, I won’t be going to his mass or confession.
The talmudic and masonic approach to public relations (and teaching) employed by the Vatican is being exposed for all to see as God allows, even for the blindly obedient sheep. It will take strong words and actions by local Bishops and clergy to finally get the people in the pews to change their minds.
The Leo XIII quote finishes with “provided a Catholic Rite is used”. In context, that means that the intention to do what the Church does is made manifest by the surrounding ceremonial Catholic Rite, that is, a rite which expresses the essential nature of the sacrament it surrounds. Without such a rite surrounding the sacrament, the intention is defective, and the sacrament is invalid. That’s the teaching of the Church.
John314, you labor under the false assumption that the local bishops and clergy are indeed Catholic. They were all formed in NO V2 seminaries by dissident heretical professors who bear their fair share of the responsibility of destroying the Catholic faith. You can wish and hope all you want that there is some cadre of orthodox bishops and clergy out there who will finally muster enough courage to come to the resuce. It is sort of like the delusion that Hitler had at the end thinking there was a couple German division still able to come to his rescue. Like those phantom divisions, the cadre of orthodox bishops and clergy you await does not exist. No one from inside the NO V2 sect is going to right the ship. The true Catholic faith is held by those outside the NO V2 sect and therefore there also is Christ’s Church. For His Church does not reside with those who do not profess the faith He handed to His Apostles. Vatican 2 destroyed dogma. Both the liberals and conservatives had no problem with destroying Church dogma on ecumenism and religious liberty. Yet the liberals wanted to also destroy the moral teachings of the Church as well. The conservatives knew this would be too abrubt a change so they continued to profess the moral truths of the Church while abandoning the ecclesial dogmas. That is the battle we are witnessing right now. Will the NO V2 sect abandon the moral teachings right now or will they continue the charade. The liberals feel embolden and will use praxis to undermine the moral dogmas while the conservatives will continue to bleat out the mantra that no church teachings have officially changed. This is how the modernist game is played. By sticking with these apostates you play your part in their scheme as the controlled opposition.
Good Tuesday morning The Papal Subject,
You have missed the most glaring error that exists in the realm of objective reality. That is, a church which teaches heresy from its “Ecumenical Council” or anywhere from its “Universal Magisterium”, which encompasses all that the Shepherds hold and teach as that which the Church has always held and taught, simply CANNOT be the Catholic Church, One, Holy, and Apostolic. Think of the Anglican church in this context. It doesn’t matter what this church, which holds and teaches heresy, professes to be its sacraments, because they simply CANNOT be the Sacraments of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, which was established as the Society of Heaven here on earth by the Son of God made true Man, at the same time that this creature beast imposter church thing from the mind of Lucifer himself, teaches heresy as blasphemy. See Lumen Gentium 16, period and end. You fall into Lucifer’s trap of debating the absurd as being cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and under the same respect. The Papal Subject, this church called “Catholic” is simply not the Catholic Church which Christ established. Christ’s Church simply CANNOT hold heresy as Truth, as Christ the King cannot be in opposition to Himself, as the true Head of His Church. That which is truly Catholic cannot at once “teach heresy and be Catholic”, while at the same time, “not teach heresy and be Catholic”, period and end. We know His Church cannot fail unto the consummation of the world as He commanded into being. Hold fast to holy Tradition as Saint Paul proclaimed in 2 Thes 2, 14: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”
All but all of the 1.2 billion baptized Catholics the world over are in apostasy and don’t even known, as Saint Paul proclaimed would occur by virtue of living a life which pleases the flesh in iniquity and Almighty God would send them then, the “operation of error to believe lying”. It is not within the realm of human potential to see the Truth and hold it as True, while at once receiving from God Himself the operation of error to believe lying. Any Society, Sect, approved Rite of celebration of the Mass under the Papal Magisterium since Saint Pope Pius V codified them, which proclaims this church that holds and teaches heresy as the Church which Christ our Lord Himself established as Her Head, is in apostasy, period and end, as it denies the teaching of Jesus the Christ and His holy Gospels and Tradition. Saint Paul proclaimed that anyone who brings a Gospel other than that given by the Holy Apostles, be it one of them or even an angel from Heaven, let him be anathema. This church called “Catholic” is the church of the Antichrist as it teaches an antithetical Gospel and Tradition to that of the Church which Christ our Lord commanded into being, to remain unto the consummation of the world, unblemished. The so called “Society of Saint Pius X” is in apostasy, as it holds the conciliar popes as being true popes and the church which they call “Catholic” as being the Catholic Church. There is a glaring error that exists in the Society which no one ever mentions. So called “Archbishop Lefebvre” performed his “consecration” of 4 purported “Bishops” with only one other bishop, whose name escapes me. He may have been a Spaniard. The “Roman Catechism” of the Council of Trent teaches, under the Sacrament of Holy Orders, the following from page 358 of TAN BOOKS copyright 1976: “To ordain subdeacons, deacons (sic) and priests, one Bishop suffices; but in accordance with an Apostolic tradition that has been always observed in the Church, Bishops are consecrated by three Bishops.” Therefore, Lefebvre simply did NOT consecrate as the Church has always consecrated, and as you know, he did not then have, in the objective realm of reality, the intent of the One, Holy, Catholic Church in consecrating Her Bishops, thus it invalidated his so called consecrations. So why is it that the “Society” allows “conciliar church” (the church of the Antichrist) ordinates into their fold without “conditional ordination”, because the “Society’s own ordinations are not valid, as their “bishops” are not “Bishops” of the Catholic Church, period and end.
Further, even if he would have consecrated as the Church has always consecrated since the Apostolic Age, according to Trent, the society would be in schism as they would have illicitly consecrated without Papal authority. Pope Pius XII taught in 1958, soon before his death, in, “Ad Apostolorum Principus”, that any bishop anywhere in the world, under any circumstance whatsoever, who is consecrated without specific approval of the Holy Roman Pontiff, is ex-communicated latae sententiae, as are his consecrating bishops, therefore outside the Church, where there is no salvation, deFide. Therefore, even if the consecrations were valid by Lefebvre, it would be sacrilegious for any Catholic to attend the Mass of any Bishop of the Society or of any priest ordained by any Bishop who was illicitly but validly consecrated, period and end. That is the teaching of the Holy Catholic Church. Know the Gospel of Matthew 24, with particular attention to verse 15, where our Blessed Lord commands that the time will come when it will be as the Prophet Daniel prophesied. Therefore, know Daniel, chapter 9, with particular attention to the final verse, 27, where Daniel prophesies the day will come when, “…the victim and the sacrifice shall fail: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.” For what greater desolation could there be, then not to have a true Pope for decades, therefore not to have licit bishops, therefore not to have licit priests, therefore not to have the “HOLY” Sacrifice of the Mass, as the “abomination of desolation”. Couple this reality with the “change”, which simply CANNOT occur in the true Sacraments established by the Son of God, of the false pope Paul VI, which exist to this day, in the false church of the Antichrist which blasphemes God as it holds and teaches heresy, and you have our time, devoid of all things Catholic in the natural realm.
In closing, the Church has always taught that God does not require the external signs of the Sacraments to offer His Sacramental Grace to any soul, as occurs in “ordinary times”, with the external signs, which are a consolation to us, knowing in a sensate manner that the Sacrament and its immanent grace is there. We do not live in ordinary times. Amen. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Good points , Tom A. I especially agree with your point that we who remain in the NO are controlled oppostion. My view of the solution to this dilemma, as you know, is much different. I understand, and acknowledge, papal documents regarding the Mass (Pius V and Leo XIII). I do not acknowledge the pronouncement of Pius XII on ordination. I suspect it was promulgated to cause heightened doubt about changes he knew were coming. He would have done that intenionally because he was a mason and was following their agenda. In theory he should be correct but if he was an imposter pope, he has no jurisdiction to make such a pronouncement.
Recently Toronto Catholic Witness blog posted a mea culpa towards anyone he has mocked or derided on his blog posts.
Apparently he was struck by conscience that he has posted truths about this pope and other prelates priests etc.
This is a real dilemma for the Catholic conscience.
At the same time we live in the age of electronic communications where news travels at the speed of light and we also live in a most confusing time , especially when it comes to the oft repeated call for Unity in the Church.
How can there be unity after Vatican Two when no two NO parishes are operating on the same wave length and everything is about either defending or promoting the Faith through the various specters of the New Evangelization?
For example :
So in an effort to fight back the Vatican employs Opus Dei communication personal and a PR firm that promotes the LGBTQ agenda too.
Are we surprised that they published this alleged letter from Benedict to support Borgoglio?
I mean by this time , why do we even care?
Pray the Rosary and put it all in Her Hands……..
Why do we even care?…..that is a good question. We should expect nothing good to come out of Modernist Rome. The Father of Lies is in control of the Vatican. It can’t be fixed, humanly speaking. How do you stop an avalanche? The cesspool gets filthier by the minute. There are no Super Heroes to turn this mess around. I firmly believe that exposing these scandals makes them laugh with delight. They know there are no consequences and they will not be stopped. The consequences will come in eternity. Pray, Pray, Pray.
Well here’s the rub Tom A, unless you want to say that Fatima is finished, we need a Pope, from somewhere, and somehow. Our Lady put a huge emphasis on this one man to make the right moves and turn things around. There is not an even a remote alternative on the horizon, so I’m keeping my guarded hope on the current “system.” There are devout and religious Catholics in the N.O., how many and how far up the ladder they go is anyone’s guess.
” I firmly believe that exposing these scandals makes them laugh with delight. ”
But, you know what 2 Cents ? I think exposing these and all the scandalous acts of Church leadership at least gives the converts and the youth one step up into understanding what those of us lived through and experienced pre and post Vat 2.
Otherwise, for many, Mass and the Sacraments is just a game in socialization entertainment and feeling good and holy about oneself.
That is why I and so many other commentators , reminded “Barona” of TCW , that publishing the TRUTH is so important and one should not feel guilty in doing so even if it relates to persons in clerical authority.
I know first hand how certain sodomite priests used the St Vianney homily about spreading rumors equating to pillow feathers in order to absolve themselves of the well founded reports they labeled “sinful gossip” .
We live in terribly deceptive times.
We know for certain that Masonic Communists have entered in along with pederasts , sodomites and anti Catholics of all stripes. It is our duty to sound the warnings concerning those in authority who distort the Faith. Sincere Traditionally minded Catholics like Louie , Randy Engel and even TCW should be encouraged in these efforts .
By now we are not shocked, just continually disgusted and yet we should not become angry, but these revelations should just bolster us to pray more as you say .
We realize most of what comes out of the Vatican is constructed as public relations puff pieces.
Yes, we don’t live in ordinary times, so currently, there are various opinions on these matters, and unless we are at the end of the age, they will be sorted out by the Church in God’s time. Until then, we just keep doing what Catholics have always done. While the Sacraments are available from Catholic clergy, I will continue to receive them. This is the best I can do in 2018. You can probably get to heaven without them, as you are far holier than I, but I am not able to do so as far as I know, and while they are available, I’ll take that as Divine Providence.
In Caritas, your posts are very long, so I’ll try to balance that out.
Only the consecrating Bishop pronounces the Form for Orders while imposing his hands. That’s according to the rubrics. The other two Bishops are attendants, but they don’t confer the sacrament. The SSPX Bishops are Bishops.
It is possible we are living the chastisement promised by Fatima. The other thing to remember here is that Fatima is not dogma. Here’s just one scenario I can think of to fulfill Fatima’s promise that a Pope will consecrate Russia. The SSPX wises up and goes sede. The SSPX along with all the other sede clergy gather and elect a true Pope. The new Pope in union with the small number of true Bishops consecrates Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. There is no rub. Many other scenarios are possible. One scenario that will not happen is that heretical NO V2 fake clergy will be able to fulfill Our Lady’s request. They cannot since they are not Catholic. Also you are correct that there are many devout people in the NO V2 sect but you err in calling them Catholic. To accept V2 as an authentic council is to accept heresy and seperates one from the Catholic Church.
These are the objective truths John314. Subjectively, no one other than God Himself knows the state of any of our souls.
The movie “Spotlight” exposed the horrendous sex abuse scandal in Boston under Cardinal Law who was actually promoted by the Vatican after his role in this horror was made public. I recommend this movie for those who are unaware of the magnitude of these evil perverts posing as priests. Yet, the church goes on and on without fear of any reprisals. The institutional church has lost the faith, but the faith remains for those who cherish it. I believe, in the end, it will be the laity who will finally demand justice and work to cleanse the church of this filth.
Tom A, The last time I attended SSPX, the Priest chastised parishioners who would dare present themselves for Holy Communion & then go out and call Bergoglio, “Frankie.” Isn’t just being a Catholic right now chastisement enough? I don’t even know how to avoid Hell & if only I didn’t stubornly cling to being Catholic, I’d be fine because everyone else’s Hell is empty. FSSP is a reverent liturgy but it’s the same religion as Bergoglio’s and it has an empty Hell except for my spot. Bergoglio would surely say I’m heading there; I don’t even recycle because I don’t want to. SSPX is not showing signs of wising up. Sorry to rant, I’m a little upset by all this. I was not expecting any of this, at all.
Melanie, none of us suspected any of this would happen on our lifetimes. To remain in the NO requires I compromise at least one article of faith. Because I will not compromise, I am left as an orphan with no earthly home. The price of admission to belong to the NO V2 sect is too high. You cannot retain the Catholic faith while associated with a false religion. I really wish the SSPX would see the light.
Good evening The Papal Subject,
You are simply as objectively wrong, as you stand in opposition to Trent, which clearly stated in the “Roman Catechism”: “To ordain subdeacons, deacons (sic) and priests, one Bishop suffices; but in accordance with an Apostolic tradition that has been always observed in the Church, Bishops are consecrated by three Bishops.” You see The Papal Subject, this stands objectively as infallible Church teaching in Her Rite of the Consecration of Bishops. Trent commands that which the Church has always done in the consecration of Her Bishops since the Apostolic Age and the Church doesn’t go back any farther than that. Trent proclaimed, “Bishops are CONSECRATED by three Bishops.”, period and end. Your own personal and emotive belief can take you, as mine can take me, to Hell all day everyday. Saint Paul commanded in 2 Thes 2, to hold fast to Tradition, which means we are commanded to submit to what Holy Church has always done regardless of the season, period and end. Trent did NOT command what you suggest, that one bishop does the consecration, as it clearly commanded, “Bishops are consecrated by three Bishops.” The imposition of the principle Bishops hands is the matter, the words of consecration are the form, and the accompaniment of the 2 other Bishops are part of the essential Rite, in accordance with an Apostolic Tradition. There is no way around this reality as Truth, The Papal Subject. You choose to go to what you freely assent to believe is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, while the objective reality clearly commands that it is not. Anyone can dress as a priest, perform the rubrics, render a sermon, and as his ontology is not marked as priest, you may as well be in his place. The Truth is hard. Read again the Gospel of John, chapter 6 to remind yourself of just how hard the Truth is. Incidentally The Papal Subject, opinions get not one soul to Heaven, only love of the Truth as He is the Christ. Opinions take souls to Hell all day and everywhere. The objective reality is as only the objective reality is and as it speaks, as res ipsa loquitur. Remember what Saint Paul commanded in Romans, chapter one, “there is no excuse”. To suggest that any of us have an excuse is a literal as actual denial of grace, blasphemy. God always provides the sanctifying grace in superabundance but we must be receptive, as Christ commanded in John 14: He who knows My commands and follows them, loves Me, and as I am in the Father, you are in Me and I in you. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Dear Caritas, in fraternal Charity I think you tend towards fanaticism. I read your posts and think that’s a fair and objective assessment. I know no one likes to be told that. No one likes to be told something about himself which is apparent to others but not himself. You have latched onto one quote from the Roman Catechism and built a dogma upon it. It is right, but it is not the whole picture.
Here is the Catholic Encyclopaedia, 1919, on the same subject to shed more light.
“Besides the consecrator, the ancient canons and the general practice of the Church require two assistant bishops. This is not of Divine but of Apostolic institution (Santi, “Praelectiones Juris Canonici”, Vol. I, Tit. vi, n. 49), and hence in cases of necessity, when it is impossible to procure three bishops, the places of the two assistant bishops may, by Apostolic favour, be filled by priests, who should be dignitaries (Cong. Sac. Rit., 16 July, 1605).”
Divine law is above ecclesial law in cases of unforeseen necessity. You are quite wrong about this my friend. No one gets it right all the time.
The SSPX orders are valid yet.
Pittsburgh GJ ArchDiocesan Investigation has been going on now for over a year listening to testimonies from victims and their families.I know some of the victims and am anxious to read their findings.
Dear The Papal Subject,
As is always the case for someone who has lost their ability to construct an argument founded in reality as truth, you attack the character of the person whose argument you cannot see through . And so The Papal Subject deems me to be a “fanatic”, while he remains blind to the truth of the teaching of Holy Mother Church. The “Catholic Encyclopedia”, although an authoritative source, is not an Ecumenical Council carrying the charism of Ecclesiastical Infallibility. Further, Lefebvre did not use priests to accompany him, rather he chose one Bishop. And again, even if he had validly consecrated those 4 bishops, they would have all been excommunicated, latae sententiae, in the very act of the illicit consecrations, even though they would have been valid. You then, would be guilty of the mortal sin of sacrilege each time you attend any of their Masses, should they have been valid, consequent to the illicit nature of the consecrations and all subsequent ordinations, no different than the Orthodox, who outside the Church, have no means for salvation, as the SSPX, even had the consecrations been valid. Lucifer has it all covered, The Papal Subject. Perhaps you should pray for the grace to see the Truth of the real fanatic here, the Evil One. This has precious nothing to do with you being wrong or me being right. All that matters in the end is holding the Truth, as He is the Person of the Son of God and He commanded that we are either with Him or against Him. There can be no middle ground. Christ commanded that he who seeks the Truth shall find it and further that He came to bring not peace but the sword, as it is in division where the truth springs forth and is plainly seen. In closing, the Son of God commanded that son would turn against father and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law, etc. Would you call that “fanaticism”, The Papal Subject? In light of that, your turning against me in your ad hominem, personal attack on my character, is at once expected and a walk in the park. One of us holds the Truth and the other simply cannot. I pray this helps. In caritas.
But for acceptance of V2 as an authentic council to constitute heresy, one must know that V2 contradicts the teachings of the church, or else it isn’t the sin of heresy that separates one from the Church. Natural Law is all we are held to understanding without being taught. Until recently, it was clear what the Church taught, but now people, especially those born after V2, listen to their priests who say they are Catholic, read their Catholic Catechism from after V2, read “catholic” books with imprimaturs’, and make efforts to understand and avoid sin based on the resources they have. Many have no idea what they are taught is not the true Catholic Faith. It took me probably about 7 -8 years of trying my best to learn and understand my faith fully before I ever came across the resources that exposed the inconsistencies. Well, the Holy Spirit led me to them, but I was trying very hard and it still took me that long. (I was born in ’81) My point being, I think having people who identify as “catholic” who do not holding the true faith is a recent problem, for what its worth. If one is baptized after V2, confirmed after V2, attend NO mass, try to avoid what they have learned are sins, and believe they are fully following the One True Faith instituted by Christ, are they not catholic if they have never intended to separate themselves? Only God knows their hearts, but I don’t know if in the current climate of confusion and misinformation, that I am confortable saying that most devout NO Catholics are heretics themselves.
Ive seen it. Its a very well done movie. The bad thing though, AS USUAL, is that the normal person seeing the movie will think that “THIS is the Catholic Church”.
I cant tell you how aggravating it is (actually most posters here probably go through the same thing as I do) explaining that these things (pederasty) are NOT Catholic….and that the v2 church that has been doing this for decades is NOT the Catholic Church. This sexual depravity among those who I thought were priests, bishops, and cardinals, is what ultimately led me to where I am now. I had basically abandoned the Church not even a decade ago over this sickening nonsense….thanks to my ignorance. Luckily for me I have a good dad who set me straight and got me back on the right path.
I think you’ve drawn too long a bow on this. That’s all. You’ve not regarded the wider context. That’s extreme.
The Catholic Encyclopaedia, or at least serious errors such as I quoted, would have been suppressed and condemned by the Holy Office if it had misrepresented sacramental theology. The Church can protect her members from heresy and error. That suppression and condemnation didn’t happen. The encyclopaedia quotes the source reference of the canon law of the day. Your position goes against it. You are simply wrong in this, and I doubt you will acknowledge it.
Your line of reasoning on this subject is the first I’ve ever heard.
Sorry for the ad hominem. It was wrong of me. I retract it and I sincerely apologise. It is frustrating sometimes and I let loose. It’s not about you. It’s your argument which is st fault. I should have kept it that way.
Yes Rich the priesthood has been infested by design. Anything the diabolical attacks like it has done to the Vatican and seminaries you know is hated by the evil one for a very important reason. The battle for the salvation of souls.
Hello again The Papal Subject,
What you choose to call, “your [my] line of reasoning on this subject”, simply IS the teaching of Trent. Again, Lefebvre did not do as you suggest from your citation. He chose one, as singular, other bishop, period. That is not what the Church has “always done”, according to the infallible Council of Trent, in consecrating Her Bishops. “Always” simply means “always”, as in never any other way. And again, you have not addressed the reality of schism by virtue of the illicit consecrations had they been valid. Your attendance then, if they had been valid, is sacrilegious and not holy, therefore leading to your damnation and not your salvation, as you suggested earlier. The Truth is hard. I pray this helps. In caritas.
To suggest that someone is not guilty because they are somehow “ignorant” is a patent denial of grace, which God in His infinite mercy always provides in superabundance for each and every soul that has or will live unto the consummation of the world, whether infidel, pagan, Catholic, or atheist. As the Angelic Doctor taught, the intellect must first inform the free will but it is not the intellect then that allows for the choice of the good over the privation of the good which is due (the evil), rather the will makes its assent into the choice of the good by virtue of its reception of grace alone. That is why the power of one’s intellect will never accomplish his salvation, ever, as if that were true, Lucifer would be in Heaven with his intellect the likes of which is beyond even the human person’s imagination to contemplate. Read very carefully Saint Paul’s teaching in Romans, chapter one, and in 2 Thes 2, as he commands, “there is no excuse” in Romans and they will “receive the operation of error to believe lying” in 2 Thes 2. Reception of grace alone protects the human person from their assent into heresy, which is in opposition to the Faith, not intellect. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Yes, but Trent is not here giving the full teaching on the subject, as I have pointed out with reference to the Catholic Encyclopaedia of 1919.
Do you trust in the capacity of the Ordinary Universal Magisterium, and the pre-Vatican II Holy Office, to protect the Church from error and heresy, or not?
Who was Lefebvre was in schism with in 1988?
In Caritas, I am not suggesting someone is not guilty for ignorance if they have actually satisfied the requirements of heresy, which based on what the Catholic Encyclopedia explains as basically an intention after being corrected to persist in your belief of false doctrine with the knowledge its false and to separate oneself for it to escalate to apostasy. To suggest I am patently denying grace is also an extreme and unwarranted statement given my actual comment, and if you note, my statement did not indicate I believed intellect reined supreme. If people didn’t have to be told and taught the true faith, then why did the evangelist travel the world teaching it following Christ’s resurrection? It can be difficult for one to follow and give proper consideration to your posts when you aren’t responding to what they are actually saying. Please understand, I am not trying to throw out a free pass to all NO Catholics that fail to inform themselves about their faith by any means nor am I giving people in willful ignorance or ignorance from negligence of their own making a free pass either. I am also not speaking about clergy teaching heretical doctrines either, so I agree with Tom A about not counting on them to fulfill Our Lady’s request to consecrate Russia.
Good early Wednesday morning The Papal Subject,
In Truth, no Pope, no new Bishops, as the Pope must singularly approve any new Shepherd, as that is what the Church holds as Truth and as thus immutable, under any and all conditions, and Lucifer knows that perfectly well. Hence, he chose this as his mode of attack as the penultimate, summa and summit of deception, yet the Church cannot be destroyed as our Blessed Dominus Deus Sabbaoth, and Savior, Jesus the Christ commanded into being. We do not have to understand how that is, yet we must freely assent to the reality of that command by Christ Jesus our Lord and God. See, “Ad Apostolorum Principis”, by Pius XII, particularly paragraphs 36-51, to know how the Church has always viewed the implacable necessity of the Holy Roman Pontiff as being the singular man who can give ultimate approval for any new Shepherd without any possible exceptions. To make exception is to be Orthodox and not Catholic, outside the Holy Church thus, where there is simply no possibility of salvation, deFide. We fully assent to that Reality as it is Christ the King’s command. We do that without necessary having full understanding, period and end.
In the case of Lefebvre, he held the false popes as true Popes, as you know, the same as the so called “SSPX” does today, as he and they continue to appeal to the church of the Antichrist for their acceptance, which is inexcusable evil, blaspheming God and His Holy Church. This sets the SSPX up for defying the teaching of Holy Mother Church in resisting the Holy Father, which in Truth can never be done, as that act itself immanently induces schism, as with the Orthodox. Right reasoning then can only draw the conclusion logically that the SSPX is a conciliar church (aka: church of the Antichrist) body member, as only a false church body member can hold the false church as true. This while it both appeals to it for acceptance and resists it at the same time. This is as it can only ever remain an utter absurdity, believing that a true Church Body member holding the true Catholic Faith thus, as that gift of the Holy Ghost both freely given and completely undeserved, could possibly view and give assent to the false church as being the Church which Jesus the Christ Himself established upon Blessed Peter and his Successors. If Lefebvre would have been a true Bishop, he would have announced this creature beast thing from Hell itself, as being what it indeed is, the church of the Antichrist, while screaming this from the highest mountaintop, but he did NOT, and therefore neither have his predecessors, nor will they ever. The SSPX is Lucifer’s pious deception, period. The novus ordo is the Prince of this world’s profane deception, while both can only remain as deception in Truth. I pray this helps. In caritas.
In Caritas and Papal Subject, in reference to your discussion about the required number of bishops needed for consecration, it is my opinion that Trent was merely codifying an ecclesial law and not making a declaration of faith. It is not a matter of faith that it takes three bishops to ordain a new bishop. It only takes one. In times of necessity one consecrating bishop can confer the sacrament licitly or illicitly.
I believe that is why the Diocese of Pittsburgh has been preparing for a massive liquidation of “assets” to pay out settlements in how they have structured parish ownership. In the late 70s I believe it was, under civil law all parish buildings began being titled not in the name of the congregation or people of a parish, but as a Pennsylvania Trust owned by the Diocese. The Diocese has been “merging” churches and closing those whose real estate they don’t own under civil law under the authority of the pastor of the merged churches and leaving the ones they own open. The funds went to the churches they owned. Now, they are undergoing a massive project of church closings, even churches having no financial trouble, against the wishes of parishioners, under the ruse of “priest shortage” (which is not valid grounds alone for closing a parish). They can do this under civil law because they have title, and by the time its appealed to the Vatican (which would be pointless anyway), the land will be sold and the building demolished by developers. The Diocese is slated to announce closings/mergers of 75% of the churches in the Diocese on April 26th. Some areas in rural counties around Pittsburgh will have to travel an extra 20-30 minutes to get to mass and confession. To warrant these kinds of decisions on a massive and not an individualized scale indicates to me that something is about to really hit the fan. In 2015 they began a Campaign called “Church Alive” promising parishioners 40% of what they gave would come back to their parishes for special projects selected by each church’s pastoral councils. Then after people pledged and gave money for a year, they announced all the closings and mergers would come, leaving that 40% NOT going back for ANY special projects. No church will be unchanged, every parish is merging to form a new parish. So I guess they are keeping those extra funds for what? Hmm. Pledges totaled $230 million.
I applaud the auto demolition of the NO false church. I would welcome the sale and demolition of every NO owned church in the entire world if it would hasten the demise of this heretical sect. Maybe then the world would stop equating these apostates with the Catholic Church.
Good morning VRasz,
Please don’t personalize the argument. I am approaching your argument as it stands, not attacking you. The Holy Gospel of Jesus the Christ has been disseminated throughout the globe. We have 2,000 years of authentic Magisterium guiding all who are interested in the salvation of their eternal souls into the Truth, as that is God’s Will. That is the objective reality which is irrefutable. We know as a matter of divine Revelation that the time was to come when all but all of those who professed to hold the Catholic Faith would be in apostasy, rejecting that same Faith and not even knowing that they are, as the operation of error sent by God to believe lying is received within the will, freely, in lieu of God’s grace, fully rejected by virtue of the embrace of iniquity, as they then have no love for Truth, Whose name is Jesus the Christ. We have to first believe ourselves to be authentically Christian to then be in apostasy, as that is the only way apostasy works, as the rejection of all things Christ Jesus. See 2 Thes 2 and pray for the intellective Light to see. Saint Paul makes it patently clear that the day would come of the “revolt” (Douay-Rheims copy) and in this revolt would be the apostasy as they would be sent by Almighty God, the “operation of error to believe lying”. Understand this as it is written. All those who embrace the pleasure of the flesh and the world, while under the deception of the Evil One, are in apostasy as they believe the lie as though it is Truth; “Therefore God shall send them the operation of error to believe lying.”
It is humanly as naturally impossible to receive the Truth while one is receiving the operation of error freely into their will, to believe lying. Not because I, as the perfectly miserable creature that I am and can only ever remain, this side the veil, says so, rather because the Holy Writ does from the mouth of the Apostle, Saint Paul. Saint Paul also proclaims there in 2 Thes 2 that, “…he who now holdeth do hold, until he be taken out of the way.
And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the Spirit of His mouth;…” Who, ask yourself VRasz, has been on this earth for 2,000 years since just after the time our Blessed Lord and Savior walked this earth establishing His Church as the supernatural Society of Heaven on earth, holding back the mystery of Iniquity from bringing forth the person of the Antichrist, as the man of sin to eventually rule the world? There is only one man, as the third person, singular pronoun “he” can intone, and that is the very person of the Vicar of Christ Jesus on this earth, as no singular man has lived 2,000 years since Christ. Saint Paul proclaimed that after, “he”, the one who holds the mystery of Iniquity from bringing forth the person of the Antichrist until it is his time, is taken out of the way, in comes the person of the Antichrist through all the power and deceitful workings of Satan.
You see VRasz, there simply, “is no excuse” as Saint Paul proclaims in Romans 1, to not know God as He commands Himself to be known. No one can get to Heaven believing that which is in opposition to the Faith (aka: heresy) as being true, as Christ commanded: “I Am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by Me.” It is all quite clear, that which a 12 year old receiving God’s grace can know. Regardless of one’s station in life and the particularly gifts God has given him, everyone must receive God’s grace freely to believe Him as Truth, period and end. How that occurs for each and every human person is Almighty God’s business, not ours, as His ways are both immutable and inscrutable. Anyone as everyone who holds the so called, “conciliar church” or “Vatican II church”, which in truth is the church of the Antichrist as it is fully antichrist, as being the Church which the Son of God made true Man commanded into being, is simply as utterly in apostasy. Amen. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Tom, you seem very well versed in the Sede position. One question I have that really vexes me is:
Since no bishop of the current SSPX holds or held the office of cardinal, who or what prelate in the Sede movement or the SSPX will call a conclave? Who possesses that authority?
Tom A–I am in agreement with this comment. I, along with others who post here, put much faith in the SSPX to be the standard bearers to fight Modernist Rome. Instead, they are “going along to get along”. It’s a betrayal to so many who supported the SSPX only to see it cave in.
“Wuerl The Girl” is responsible for sheltering so many of these clerics from the horrible acts of sexual abuse of minors. Gee, let’s see…oh, the Holy See promoted him too! Well, well, well, I guess Wuerl did something right in the eyes of the Holy See…NOT.
…but always validly as long as the consecrating bishop has the intention of doing what the Church does.
Vrasz, Very thoughtful information, thanks.
I do know of one person who ran a large charitable effort out of her parish in NY. It was slated for closing but after much publicity and appeals to the Vatican she won the case to keep it going.
Then there was the Folieri Group scandal. Cdl Sodano’s nephew was involved and was a VP in the Madison Ave real estate company. They mainly handled Church property buy ups at the time. Churches were turned into beer gardens and other secular institutions. They got access to the Bishops by saying they were connected to the Vatican . Fr Hodge from Camden
diocese was implicated as having dressed in his clerical robes and present in the NY office. Raffhaelo Folieri was caught in a financial scandal and went to jail but Sodano’s nephew went back to Italy unscathed and neither he or the priest from NJ faced any retribution for having been involved.
“The Vati-Con Scandal involved accusations that Italian real estate developer Raffaello Follieri misappropriated a $50 million investment from Bill Clinton and billionaire Ronald Burkle meant to buy Roman Catholic churches in the United States. Follieri ultimately pleaded guilty to federal criminal charges in the U.S. and was sentenced to prison.”
VRaz, read this and remember Cdl Sodano was Vatican Sec of State at the time and his nephew was part of the Follieri Group.
Vatican Sec of State is considered by most to be the most powerful position in the Vatican, even more powerful than the Papacy itself. Cd Sodano took bribes from Maciel including a Mercedes. It was he and Cdl Bertone who replaced him who rolled out to us the alleged Third Secret of Fatima.
Profiteers or Priests ? You tell me.
No, Tom A., The only people hurt by this auto-demolition are those of simple faith in the One, Holy, Catholic , Apostolic Church. If you think the Pope and the Vatican bureaucracy are materially hurt by this, you’re not paying attention. They have other sources of money. They are supported by their mason friends in the EU, banking and probably Jerusalem. Even if every Catholic Church in the world were to go under, the Vatican would still remain standing because of the tribute they demand from local dioceses, tribute from various countries and tribute from the elites who do not want to use them for their own purposes.
When the Catholic Church was led by the heretic Anacletus II, Sts. Bernard and Norbert did not advocate that Catholics stop going to mass, stop supporting the Church and only pray for a solution while waiting for God to act. NO. They sought help from the kings of France, Spain and the Holy Roman Empire. According to “The Story of the Church” by Dr. Johnson, TAN books, “Whenever the pope was in difficulty, he sent for St. Bernard who succeeded in winning for the Holy See the support of kings.” St. Bernard sought the help of Emperor Lothair to evict the papal usurper and install the true pope, Innocent II.
I realize we don’t have an Innocent II waiting in the wings. We have had a series of heretic freemason popes who have changed the sacraments, changed the mass, corrupted morals and even if possible tried to change the very words of Jesus Himself. Evil beyond measure, to be sure. . . And yet I still propose that these hidiously compromised churches still pray the Nicene creed. There remains an Act of Penitance at the beginning of Mass, An Offertory of our gifts, A Consecration of bread and wine to Jesus’ Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, An Our Father and finally A Communion. This Mass is supposed to be The unbloody sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. You say all validity in the mass has been lost. And Yet you say that the conclaves of the 20th century used to elect the popes, which rules violate the old canon law and the moral law are valid. The new mass does not violate moral law, while yes it does violate the norms set by Pius V for the conduct of the mass. How then can you consider the NO mass to be invalid , while the conclaves, which clearly violate canon law, God’s laws and logic to be valid???
Error: the elites who do not want to use them for their own purposes.
Corrected: the elites who want to use them for their own purposes.
That intention manifests itself objectively in the words of the Rite, not in the interior motives of the consecrating bishop. Good intentions do not correct defects in form or matter.
Hello Tom A,
Our “opinions” will take us to Hell everyday and all day. The Truth which Holy Mother Church is founded in and by, has precious nothing to do with human opinion. We are called to know the Truth as Christ commanded and for instance in John 14, 21: “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them; he it is that loveth me. And he that loveth me, shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” Christ the King did not say, seek human opinion and you shall find Truth, rather and as you know, “seek the Truth and ye shall find it.” Truth is of God and infinitely apart from miserable creaturely opinion. The world seeks miserable human opinion which takes most souls to Hell, as our Blessed Lord commanded, as in Matthew 7. Further in John 14, 17: “The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you.” Again Tom A, it is the world which seeks human opinion, as, “The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him:…”, must seek human opinion in perfect misery, as that is all it can see, according to our Blessed Lord Himself. To suggest as you have, that it is somehow lawful, licit, to be unlawful, illicit, is a patent absurdity and places an affront to Truth, as we can NEVER invoke the privation of the due good for the sake of the good, as if we do, we maybe damned. That is the teaching of the Angelic Doctor, the General Doctor of Holy Mother Church. Again, the “Roman Catechism” according to Trent: “To ordain subdeacons, deacons (sic) and priest, one Bishop suffices; but in accordance with an Apostolic tradition that has been always observed in the Church, Bishops are consecrated by three Bishops.”, period and end Tom A. If you choose to opine that the infallible Council of Trent meant to say, when they said, “has been always observed in the Church,” and this, “…in accordance with an Apostolic tradition that has been always observed in the Church, Bishops are consecrated by three Bishops.”, somehow translates into and instead of the words, “always observed in the Church”, Trent actually and according to Tom A, meant to say: always means only when the Church is in season and when times which have been prophesied in the Holy Writ come to pass, God didn’t really intend to allow it to occur as it is in objective reality and as foretold in the Holy Writ, well then you have at it. Saint Paul commanded in 2 Thes 2, as he spoke of the time of the coming of the person of the Antichrist specifically, the following at verse 14, “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” Trent commanded what Trent commanded Tom A, it is Modernist poison to read into such a clear command as, in what the Church has ALWAYS observed and in an APOSTOLIC tradition, to mean something other than what a 12 year old receiving God’s intellective Light would know with certitude. I pray this helps. In caritas.
There is no Victim offered to God in the Novus Ordo. It’s a memorial.
Benedict XVI needs to come to terms with the fact that as he himself admitted, the entire Vatican II paradigm is built on the idea that the Church and the Holy Spirit erred when they adopted Geocentrism as a formal heresy, against the enlightenment scientific consensus, and thus the Church had to reorient itself with the modern world and learn and adopt from it jsut as much as the world had to learn from the Church.
But as Benedict XVI also admitted, the scientific establishment could not at all prove the Church was wrong, because the establishment’s failure to prove Heliocentrism, forced it to adopt Relativity as an escape hatch whereby both systems were mathematically and physically possible, leaving Heliocentrim to be adopted by consensus decision out of philosophical biases against the Catholic Church, and the Book of Genesis, period.
Benedict XVI was COMPLETELY AWARE of these facts, and yet, he went along with the rodeo of appeasement and compromise and Hegelian dialogue. Rather than uphold the teachings of the Dogmatic Council of Trent, the unanimous consensus of the Fathers interpretation of Scripture concerning the movement of the Sun, Moon and the Earth over and against the pagan heliocentric notions which were not accomodated as possibilities but rejected based on the clear testimony of inerrant Scripture, and the Canonical Trial decisions by the Holy Inquisition, ratified by the full weight and authority of the Holy Roman Pontiffs spanning the 1600-1800s who took pains of their ordinary magisterial and supreme authority to condemn and censure all works to the contrary, decisions mocked by the enlightened secular world for 500 years, but now in 2018 A.D. have been vindicated by recent scientific findings to the extent that they must escape to the many-worlds interdimensional heresy held by the likes of Giordano Bruno… rather than consider all this, Benedict went along with the Council and the nouveau theologie so as to bring about more peaceful dialogue. So that the Church could rubn shoulders with the celebrated heretical and apostate and heathen thinkers of our times and appear more intellectual with open window dressing.
For those who know and appreciate very well the nature of Typology in the Bible, many underappreciate the Fatima apparitions, where for example, the trials underwent by the 3 little seers threatened to being boiled and burnt alive if they did not tell the Socialist authorities what they were up to at the Cova, was akin to the trials undergone by Sadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, threatened to be burnt in the furnace by Nebuchadnezzar for not worshipping his idol. Others have written about these remarkable events, but I’ll just move on to some observations –
– We have Sr. Lucia hidden from the world. Cut off from access except by certain officials and close family.
– We have Benedict XVI hidden from the world. Cut off from access except by certain officials and close family.
– Sr. Lucia writes the 3rd Secret down confidentially, apparently in two separate documents, of which only one purpoted vision is released with the other relevant key text hidden.
– Benedict XVI writes a confidential letter, of which a second page, with a key interpretation, is censored and buried under volumes of heretical nonsense.
– There are claims of two Sr. Lucias. A real one and a fake one presented to the world after the other one is hidden.
– There are claims of two Popes. A real one – Benedict XVI – who takes up a contemplative part of the munus, and a fake one – Francis – taking up the active public face role.
– We get fake interviews and letters of Sr. Lucia.
– We are getting altered letters, and selectively quoted statements coming from Benedict on a number of things, whether with regard to Lettergate, or even the attempts to silence OnePeterFive and Benedict’s old friend about the 3rd Secret referring to a bad council and a bad mass.
Ain’t this all interesting?
The point Sedes miss, and why they like to dismiss Fatima as not being dogmatically necessary for them to take into account, is that Lucia still treated the VII Popes as Popes, and obeyed them. And that all references to the 3rd Secret say Bad Council and Bad Mass… but doesn’t say it is not a Mass, nor a council not called by legitimate authority. But rather all reference is made to a state of Diabolical Disorientation. Which means that in all liklihood, outside of the obvious heretics like Francis and Kasper and Marx and co. there are the Benedicts who are likely under the pain of material heresy and in a state of invincible ignorance that they are. This is equally so for the majority of Catholics, poorly instructed, or raised on the VII paradigm. And is also equally so for the Sedes, many of whom here I have asked point blank as to whether or not they accept Geocentrism and the logical conclusion stemming from the authority of the 16th Century Pontiffs, their canonical trials and rulings by the Holy Inquisition formulating and defining certain explicit propositions as being “Formally Heretical” and using as their justification, ABSOLUTELY NO scientific criteria, but the plain sense of Scripture, the accounts of miracles in the Bible, the consensus of the Father’s interpretation, the long-standing Tradition of the Church, and the consistent application of the DOGMATIC Council of Trent that no-one can interpret the Scriptures apart from that interpretation given by the consensus of the Fathers, which indicated something directly received from the Apostles, of which on this topic was unanimous. But put this to the Sedes, and watch them all turn into Francis and refuse to answer this dubia. Naturally because the implication here is that there are circumstances into which the Popes are not immune from all possible error and even help institutionalize it, as it was done so from the 1800s, culminating in the Vatican II Council of our time. A bad Council and a Bad Mass, and the censorship of the 3rd Secret were made due to belief that the secular world said the Earth moved around the Sun against the Church. The Apparitions at Fatima warned of a bad council and a bad mass being institutionalized within the Church and then demonstrated a miracle whereby it was the Sun moving in all sorst of ways against the Earth, as the Church once taught and upheld in the face of the secular onslaught.
It is certain God is punishing us. And He is punishing us with precisely the same medicine we have been sniffing – ambiguity.
He has made ambigious for us every faucet of reality – ethics, sex, law, politics, race, gender, dogma, the mass, the priesthood. We, at this time, will never be sure of the answer. Welcome to a world without God and devoid of all Truth and foundation.
That’s the punishment. That’s the world we wanted. It won’t be lifted, except by HIM.
So suffer. Wrack your brains. Mourn. Wail. Gnash your teeth. Gaze upon mankind’s stupidity. Watch in terror as ambiguity begets lies, which begets more lies, which begets more lies, and soon we tear down all historical record, all law, all order, all civil life, all family life, all ecclesial life. Watch as Sampson pulls down the pillars upon our heads. Watch the seas and oceans of error and indistinction flood the Earth with calamity.
Without any intellectual assurance of the true sacraments, priesthood and , Mass, all you’re left with is absolute desperate faith. God is telling us, finally to throw away that human rationality we worship so much, because here, at this signpost, it’s not going to help you. The last vestige and shred of our pride needs to be cast away and we are to just fly to and lean on Him, until he steadies the boat, calsm the waters, and returns to us true rational intellect that puts Him first.
I beleive that’s the only ‘solution’ paradoxical as it sounds, considering that Catholicism is a rational faith and reason is necessary. But if even this becomes for us an idol, as it has in our times, and is the madness that leads to modernism and as we see even to intellectual suicide on the part of the extreme leftists who now label rational discourse and logical argumentation a ‘structure of oppression’ built by the ‘white man’, it’s time to cut it off, for better to enter the kingdom of God as a simpleton, than to be cast into Hell with our very clever intelligence to further torture us as we comprehend just what we’ve lost forever.
Perhaps it’s time to follow the example of the Mother of God, who was neitehr a blogger nor political activist, but spoke very little, leaving very few recorded words, but in her heart watched and contemplated all these things, right up to the cross. At some points of history, there are simply no words or clever speeches that can alter the course of events. This is not a recommendation that you say or do nothing within your ability, nor a license to sit out the war. Just that at the end of the day, this is what’s what, and where our priorities should lie if we want to get through this.
How about Pope Michael? Is he Catholic? Seems like he was elected by the 5 Catholics on Earth. Is he the Pope? I’d follow him if he is Catholic. I don’t care at all if he has no pretty stuff or relics or respect. Those 5 people who elected him had much more sense than I did. What is In caritas saying, that there literally are 0 Priests or Bishops, that we are literally all just standing outside the tomb waiting for the Resurrection of the Church and shouldn’t be attending any Mass at all because 0 are Catholic? What the Hell is going on?
This is certainly a chastisement. Lord, come to our aid.