The make-a-mess pope has struck again; this time by expressing a desire to “constitute an official commission to study the question” of possibly ordaining female deacons.
Since this news was first reported, Catholic media has been all abuzz with dread on the part of so-called “traditionalists” (aka Catholics), glee on the part of progressives, and various degrees of denial from our pusillanimous pals in the lifeless middle.
A few observations…
Francis made the comment in response to a question that was apparently put forth during a Q&A session with the International Union of Superiors General (UISG) – an organization of Superiors General of Institutes of Catholic Women Religious.
According to a video statement (below) provided by Sr. Carmen Sammut, President of the UISG, the questions were composed well in advance of yesterday’s papal audience.
This is important; it means that either the pope himself, or his able handlers, deliberately chose to address the matter of female deacons.
What’s more, Sr. Sammut went on to reveal (~3:55 mark of the video) that it was the UISG itself that had proposed the formation of a commission to study the question concerning female deacons; Francis simply accepted their proposal.
That is the context for Francis’ response:
So, with regard to the diaconate, yes, I agree and it seems to me it would be useful to have a commission to clarify this well, especially with regard to the early times of the Church.
How very humble! So, is the tail is wagging the dog here, or is the dog just looking for another excuse to relieve himself all over our Catholic carpet?
Let’s not be naïve – no one is wagging Francis’ tail; the man is a dictator.
He wants to open this can of worms; in spite of the fact that the International Theological Commission (ITC) had already conducted an in-depth study (carried out over a five year period, no less) concerning the diaconate such as it was in “the early times of the Church.”
In other words, those worms are most certainly dead.
Now, there are those who will allege that the matter is not truly settled in light of the fact that the ITC document (2002) states:
In the light of these elements which have been set out in the present historico-theological research document, it pertains to the ministry of discernment which the Lord established in his Church to pronounce authoritatively on this question.
Setting aside any debate concerning the relative wisdom of such a statement, this does not mean that the ITC considers the matter open for discussion; rather, it simply indicates that an “authoritative pronouncement” has yet to have been given, which is true.
This does not suggest that the question is unanswered; no more than the matter of female ordination to the priesthood was unanswered prior to the motu proprio of John Paul II, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.
When a dubium was sent to the CDF asking if the teaching in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is infallible, the answer given was, yes, it is, not in and of itself, however, but by virtue of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium.
As a thorough reading of the ITC document strongly suggests, the same is true of the ordination of women to the diaconate. In other words, the matter is settled.
That, however, doesn’t constitute an insurmountable impediment for Francis, but rather a challenge; one that he is eager to embrace, and the challenge in his mind is essentially this:
How do I best go about asserting my will on the entire Church?
This is the same challenge Francis faced with respect to the matter of access to the sacraments for unrepentant public adulterers and fornicators, and we all know how that went.
First, he called for the Synod of Bishops to take up a “question” that has already been answered in order to A) give the appearance of openness, and B) to prepare the faithful for the bomb that he intended to drop all along.
Something similar may well be afoot in this case as well.
Another of the common threads running through both the Synod fiasco and the so-called “question” of female deacons concerns the fact that both of the issues under discussion were addressed in a noteworthy manner during the pontificate of Pope John Paul the Great Ecumenist.
This is just one more indication that “canonization” post-Vatican II style is a joke even to its chief antagonists; “sainthood” being but a mere shell of what it used to represent. Clearly, Francis doesn’t understand it (or much of anything else, for that matter) in the same way that the Church traditionally has.
Think about it: If the Qur’an kissing pope from Poland is so much a model of heroic virtue that he is worthy of emulation as a “Saint” as such was well understood prior to the Council, then why is Francis so quick to ignore (and to overturn in the case of Familiaris Consortio) his legacy with respect to matters that were well and truly settled during his pontificate?
The answer is twofold:
First and most obvious, Karol Wojtyła simply doesn’t qualify for canonization according to the traditional standard; rather, his legacy invites far more condemnation than emulation.
Secondly, in the minds of modernists like Francis, the pontificate itself isn’t understood according to the mind of the Church.
Rather than recognizing the pope as he who is charged with acting as Supreme Guardian of the immutable doctrines of the one true faith; Francis thinks of the Petrine Office as something more akin to that of Chief Administrator of an earthbound institution that is called to render services relative to the ever-changing circumstances of man.
This being the case, his predecessors can be applauded on the one hand and ignored on the other. As for tradition? That belongs in the history books.
In the present case, Francis isn’t going to decree that Holy Orders be conferred upon women, even if limited exclusively to the diaconate. He can’t – no more than he could issue a binding decree stating that marriage is suddenly dissolvable.
Precisely what he will do in this case, no one but the “God of Surprises” (aka Jorge Bergoglio) knows for certain.
That said, I suspect that whatever he ends up doing with respect to “female deacons” will in some way involve an elevation of the lay condition as opposed to an expansion of the clerical state.
Remember, to Francis, clerics are configured not so much to Christ the King as to an itinerant social worker from Nazareth. In other words, ordination just ain’t that big a deal to him.
Those of us who are inclined to treat the ordained with high esteem are trapped in the old way of thinking; Francis, however, is all about newchurch.
He signaled his preferences in the matter much earlier in the Q&A session when he said:
In Buenos Aires, I had this experience three or four times: a good priest came to me and said, “I have a very good layperson in my parish: he does this and that, he knows how to organise things, he gets things done. … Shall we make him a deacon?” Or rather: shall we “clericalise” him? “No! Let him remain a layperson. Don’t make him a deacon”. This is important. It often happens to you that clericalism obstructs the correct development of something.
Keep in mind that he said this knowing that the “question” about female deacons was on the agenda; i.e., he was tipping is hand.
In any case, the one thing I do know about the destruction to come is this:
Those who believe that this “female deacon” dustup is the point where Francis finally “goes too far” and incites to action at long last the relative handful of remaining faithful bishops (whomever and wherever they may be) to oppose him are kidding themselves.
As I wrote several weeks ago with respect to Amoris Laetita and the nonresponse of so many bishops:
There can be no doubt that Francis is now more convinced than ever that he can do whatever the Hell he wants to do. The deposit of faith is like clay in his humble little hands. The Holy Catholic Church is his personal playground, and he’s the bully who gets to make up the rules.
Bergoglio’s papacy could also be referred to as “the camel’s nose under the tent” papacy. Anything is possible…and I mean ANYTHING!! All he has to do is open his mouth (does he ever NOT??) and the possibilities are endless. Of course, none of these possibilities will be (aka) Catholic. I fear he has only just begun. Watch out for the camels coming our way.
Compare photos above with this. Makes you want to cry! http://www.churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/1458411_745733162107520_1599772440_n.jpg
Another installment of the auto-demolition derby.
It seems to me that Jorge Bergoglio and Barack INSANE Obama have a lot in common.
Will Pope Francis make an exception for cases of abortion? Will he actually come out and say in another in-flight press interview that abortion is allowed in limited circumstances? Will he say that it’s sometimes okay in cases of rape or incest, and that all a woman has to do is pray to God and go ask her priest for advice?
I don’t think it’s far removed at this point that he could possibly do this…
Will the bishops and priests stand up to this evil pope? Will they? Or will they cower down in fear of (false) disobedience?
Many of the bishops and priests will be “riding the camels toward the tents”!
Surprised?? All this was seen coming a century ago by Saint Pope Pius X – a fully grown Modernist heresy now infects the entire Church, top to bottom. Nothing is sacred to these scumbags. The beliefs of the past are as vapor to them. Even the very words of the Lord are routinely ignored with absolutely no sense of shame either. Sons of Satan all of them I say. Now I hear the anti-celibacy and married-priest crowd is emboldened and stirring the pot again.
Saint Pope Pius X described the enemy and their MO:
“First of all they lay down the general principle that in a living religion everything is subject to change, and must in fact be changed. In this way they pass to what is practically their principal doctrine, namely, evolution. To the laws of evolution everything is subject under penalty of death–dogma, Church, worship, the Books we revere as sacred, even faith itself.”
“It is thus, Venerable Brethren, that for the Modernists, whether as authors or propagandists, there is to be nothing stable, nothing immutable in the Church. ”
“Dogma is not only able, but ought to evolve and to be changed. This is strongly affirmed by the Modernists, and clearly flows from their principles. For among the chief points of their teaching is the following, which they deduce from the principle of vital immanence, namely, that religious formulas if they are to be really religious and not merely intellectual speculations, ought to be living and to live the life of the religious sense.”
” it is abundantly clear how great and how eager is the passion of such men for innovation. In all Catholicism there is absolutely nothing on which it does not fasten. ”
” no dogmas are to be inserted except those that have been reformed and are within the capacity of the people”
Encyclical on the Doctrine of the Modernists His Holiness Pope Pius X September 8, 1907
I often wonder if the Pope was a secret band member for In Living Colour “The Cult of Personality.” Maybe that could be a future video Mr. V?
The parallels between Pope Luther and GeneralissimObama are amazing…both dictators with no opposition from those who could stand up for the Church or Constitution.
Any response from a bishop to this renegade pope reminds me of Captain Renault’s “shocked, shocked” response to gambling in Rick’s casino…https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjQjfmk5NrMAhWIC8AKHfmbBI8QyCkIHjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSjbPi00k_ME&usg=AFQjCNHbwHT4dzKqdq9GDtTuaVmTzvmFqA&sig2=fvpV8ODuT-k_-ph3ZOxbww&bvm=bv.122129774,d.eWE
Just what the Church needs, more busy-body gossipy overweight short-haired frumpy feministas who resent authority but still want a piece of the power so they can wield it over their fellow parishioners like a Chinese re-education camp propagandist.
Of course the “leadership” will cave in to them because these fairies need the old gals around to validate their effete behavior – as opposed to the “disturbed, broken and angry” traditional Catholic man.
Oh ****. Bergoglio, just get it over with. Authorize women “deacons”. let the **** hit the fan already. We’re playing hanky panky. We all know who Bergoglio is and who he is NOT.
Just finish this once and for all.
Holy Spirit Reflections
” A monk complained to St. Arsenius that while reading Holy Scripture he does not feel, neither the power of the words read nor gentleness in his heart.
To that the great saint will reply to him: “My child, just read! I heard that the sorcerers of serpents, when they cast a spell upon the serpents, the sorcerers are uttering the words, which they themselves do not understand, but the serpents hearing the spoken words sense their power and become tamed.
An so, with us, when we continually hold in our mouths the words of Holy Scripture, but even though we do not feel the power of the words, evil spirits tremble and flee for they are unable to endure the words of the Holy Spirit.”
My child, just read!
The Holy Spirit Who, through inspired men, wrote these divine words, will hear, will understand and will hasten to your assistance; and the demons will understand will sense and will flee from you.
That is: He Whom you invoke for assistance will understand, and those whom you wish to drive away from yourself will understand. And both goals will be achieved.
+ St. Nikolai Velimirovich
This article identifies the disease of “diabolical narcissism”. Sound like any one we know???
This entire take has been called into question as the Vatican tries to walk back yesterday’s coverage. Translated that means they made it more confusing that it already was. But, then again, that’s the tactic heretics would use.
But I was looking for an article here doing some backing off of our own. Where’s the coverage of Cardinal Burke’s strong, orthodox statement regarding the excrementation, Eros Laetitia? Thank you Cardinal Burke…and the websites who wrote yesterday to recognize that this faithful man has demonstrated that fact again…perhaps, however, not in the timeframe expected by those who hungered for immediate approbation.
Argentina was the Place of the Charismatic Peron.
Papa Bergoglio is following The Peronist Footsteps.
Well SSPX needs new bishops – maybe they will be the 1st group to get a female (former Lutheran/Anglican) bishop – and that will make them in ‘full communion’ w/you, FSSP, Church Militant, Opus Dei, The Remnant, CFN, Rorate-Caeli & the ‘God of Surprises’ who dwells in Fran & his church which DOESN’T keep Jesus Christ’s commandments and thus doesn’t have the Spirit of Truth dwelling in it.
I started wanting to cry years ago!
A long time ago I was taken on a visit as a young non Catholic boy, to a local Catholic Church for “a look inside”, by a Catholic friend. To this day I remember the inside of that Church, dark, mysterious, red lamp near the tabernacle, statue of Our Lord in His agony with His Precious wounds to be touched by the faithful.
I literally didn’t see anything like that again. By the time I grew up, before I became a Catholic, all the Catholic Churches had become triangular shaped or round, open glass windows, few if any statues, weird distorted crucifixes, and devoid of any sense of mystery whatsoever.
It was only in recent years that, after careful searching, I could find any Catholic Churches that in any way reminded me of that Church from my distant memory.
And as for the Religious! Trying to find a nun that looks like a nun is almost impossible.
I am afraid I now regard the vast majority of nuns as a sisterhood of Satan.
I have said on another website that I now believe that this present Pope actually dislikes Christianity! He is gradually revealing this dislike in all sorts of subtle and not so subtle ways.
The way the Pope has now compared Our Lord’s command to spread the Gospel (by going out and baptising all nations) with the sick, brutal beheadings, bombings, rapings, torture and enslavement used by Islam, is just completely appalling!
He really dislikes the Christian Faith.