Neo-conservative prelates Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are calling for a forty-day “Crusade of Prayer and Fasting,” beginning today. The stated purpose of the Crusade is “To implore God that error and heresy do not pervert the coming Special Assembly of the Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon.”
In announcing the Crusade, Burke and Schneider are alleging that “the authors of the Instrumentum Laboris [for the Amazonian Synod] … have inserted serious theological errors and heresies into the document.”
They write as if these unnamed scribes have taken it upon themselves to insert said errors and heresies into the text without the approval of the Heretic-in-Chief, Jorge Bergoglio.
Among the Crusade’s specific intentions as proposed by Burke and Schneider are:
– that the theological errors and heresies inserted in the Instrumentum Laboris may not be approved during the synodal assembly;
– that particularly Pope Francis, in the exercise of the Petrine ministry, may confirm his brethren in the faith by an unambiguous rejection of the errors of the Instrumentum Laboris.
As for why they are taking this step, the prelates state:
It is our duty to make the faithful aware of some of the main errors that are being spread through the Instrumentum Laboris… for the eternal good of [the Church’s] members who risk being scandalized.
That the Instrumentum Laboris contains errors and heresies is beyond dispute, but are they really being spread? To a degree, I suppose they are, but it’s not as if they have been “officially” deemed “authentic magisterium,” much less have they been entered into the Acta Apostolicae Sedis.
Now, don’t get me wrong; regardless of how few Catholics have read or even heard of the document, it should be condemned loudly and clearly (along with the humble heretic-in-white who is driving the effort) if for no other reason than it is a grave offense against Christ. Even so, let’s keep its effect on the Church in perspective.
At this, let’s briefly recap:
Burke and Schneider are making this public plea for prayer and fasting because the working document that was prepared for a Synod that has yet to take place is rife with error and heresy. They are concerned that the text just might be adopted by the Synod, and that “Francis” may not only fail to reject it, but just might even approve of it! Duty, therefore, urges them to act “for the eternal good” of souls.
How positively courageous, you say?
Look, there’s no denying that more prayer and fasting is needed in our day. Even if the effort is somehow misguided, God will respond to our sincere offerings with His grace toward some good end. Even so, what this Crusade says about its authors isn’t entirely flattering; in fact, it shines a light on what has every appearance of rank hypocrisy.
All indications are that both of these men have made their peace with Amoris Laetitia, a text that already is everything they fear the Instrumentum Laboris might eventually be!
If either one of them had any real sense of duty to the Church, her life-giving Truth, and innocent souls, they would at this very moment be on a relentless crusade to call Jorge Bergoglio to account for his blasphemy, condemning, daily if necessary, the errors and heresies in Amoris Laetitia.
That they are not – and have grown practically silent on the matter – is a sure indication that they are heroes-of-convenience, pleased to occasionally pick the low hanging fruit of potential threats, but utterly unwilling to risk losing their benefices by engaging in any meaningful opposition to the clear and present danger right in our very midst.
There are some who, in light of this Crusade, imagine that the Amazonian Synod might be the catalyst that finally leads to a formal schism, forcing those neo-conservatives who wish to identify as Catholic to choose between adhering to Bergoglian Rome or…
This is where the picture gets a little murky. It is unclear what the forecasters of schism believe lurks behind door #2.
Whatever the case may be, just for fun, let’s consider what would happen if Francis “officially” approves some of the worst-case-scenarios outlined by Burke and Schneider. In other words, imagine him issuing an Apostolic Exhortation (so-called) that:
– Anoints pagan superstitions as expressions of Divine Revelation
– Grants official ministries to women
– Calls for the ordination of married community leaders as second-class priests
Even if Bergoglio was to order that these abominations be entered into the AAS and accepted as “authentic magisterium,” guess what would happen? If recent history is any indication, at most we might expect that:
– Burke and perhaps a few other hero-prelate types will initially express outrage, perhaps even going so far as to issue another dubia that, ultimately, will be totally ignored.
– The SSPX will undertake a detailed study of the new Exhortation, only to conclude that we mustn’t apply the dreaded “H” word to the text, much less to the “Holy Father” who authored it.
– A certain number of theologians and other notables will make headlines by publishing yet more statements and petitions calling on Francis to correct his errors, some may even accuse him of heresy.
Then, in short order, after so much bluster, every last one of these parties will eventually slip into silence on the matter and just continue going about their business.
As for schism? It already exists, even if only materially and apart from the explicit knowledge of the neo-conservative schismatics.
You see, behind Door #2 is exactly the same thing that lurks behind Bergoglian Door #1; namely, the “conciliar church.” This is where Burke and Schneider and all of the neo-cons dwell. It is the same institution that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre rightly labeled a “counterfeit church,” and he declared it as such because there is “a radical incompatibility between the Catholic Church and the conciliar church.”
What many sincere neo-conservatives don’t realize, however, is that there is a Door #3 – the only safe choice – behind which is the Church of tradition, one that has no part in the poisonous Novus Ordo, the error-ridden content of Vatican II, the ramblings of the heretic Bergoglio and his fake “magisterium,” etc.
If the Amazonian Synod opens the eyes of those presently blind and moves some to reject the counterfeit church and its empty offerings, thank God! I pray that it does.
That said, I for one don’t expect it to set in motion any widespread awakening, no matter how far afield it should go, much less do I expect it to cause the formal schism that some are predicting.
What many sincere neo-conservatives don’t realize, however, is that there is a Door #3 – the only safe choice – behind which is the Church of tradition, one that has no part in the poisonous Novus Ordo, the error-ridden content of Vatican II, the ramblings of the heretic Bergoglio and his fake “magisterium,” etc.
So where can we find this “Church of tradition”? Where is its pope? Where is it visibly discernible? Benedict? Sede?
I just listened to the below Youtube video.
How is this priest different from Fr. Luther and his 95 theses, besides only having 6 of his own?
“…that particularly Pope Francis, in the exercise of the Petrine ministry, may confirm his brethren in the faith by an unambiguous rejection of the errors of the Instrumentum Laboris.”
Error and heresy has already perverted the entire N.O institution of which they are a part of. Pray that Our Lord rescues us from this nightmare.
Oh, they don’t mind little ‘s’ schism… so long as it remains behind either closet door #1 or #2.
No, it’s what’s behind door #3, with the surprise jack-in-the-box that has a more noticeable capital- ‘S’ schism. The one that isn’t just in the closet but is out, proud and spreading confetti and marching through the streets like a parade in July.
The fact that Francis is using and talking about possible ‘schism’ out in the open, reminds me of the same signalling the U.S. administrations and Israelis were making about concerns that Assad will cross red lines and set off non-approved chemical weapons *wink* upon his people *wink wink*, and then surprise-surprise! There’s white puff clouds over a certain area, and little men in white helmets are on the ground filming people wondering what is going on and who are these people spraying water at them?
Essentially, I believe Francis and co. have their minds made up about the Amazon outcome, and are setting us up for a false-flag. They intend to enact BIG FORMAL SCHISM themselves, but claim it is Burke and Schneider who are in schism.
So someone tell Burke and Schneider, that they are being set up like Assad and are going to find themselves and their groupies in even more ‘schism’ hot water than the SSPX, which I’m sure will make things very very awkward. And there isn’t going to be any Vladimir Putin to intervene on their behalf.
The Western Press, as was their duty to the USA, will be happy to propagandise on Francis’ behalf. Heck, they’ve already been warming up the pyres for a little while.
Burke and Schneider need to strike pre-emptively and hard. Not twiddle their thumbs while the enemy surrounds them and sanctions their supplies.
The feeling of impotence is horrendous as I cringe watching the Vatican II duo blow hot air. A little remnant is all that remains. The vast majority of the baptised are now Protestant thanks to dereliction of duty by priests, bishops, and cardinals.
“What many sincere neo-conservatives don’t realize, however, is that there is a Door #3 – the only safe choice – behind which is the Church of tradition, one that has no part in the poisonous Novus Ordo, the error-ridden content of Vatican II, the ramblings of the heretic Bergoglio and his fake “magisterium,” etc.” YES, correct, there is such a “Door”, behind which is ONLY SAFE CHOISE – Sedevacantism.
Quite right, Louie.
This constant petitioning and fraternal correcting and warning and worrying serves only to keep people in the counterfeit church: giving them heroic paper tigers to rally around. Over the years ‘conservatives’ have set many lines in the sand, only for them to be washed away by the rising tide of Modernism. Paul VI could never be beatified or declared a Saint, for example. Then it happened and the ‘conservatives’ quietly forgot about it. These things never have any consequences and the circus just moves on to a new location.
The Amazon synod will be the same. Whatever heresy it declares and however much Francis openly uses his (bogus) authority to endorse it, the neo-Conservatives and neo-Trads will find a way of dodging the logical end result. This man spouts heresy and apostasy on a daily basis (see his latest message https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-09/pope-francis-message-participants-world-meeting-for-peace.html) but still we hear about ‘advisors’ being to blame.
The FSSP/ICKSP/SSPX etc are all part of the novus ordo institution. The only way to remain Catholic is to accept that the See is vacant and act in accordance with Catholic teaching on the nature of the Church and the Papacy.
I know. But no one pointed a .357 magnum at the “baptised”, Tony. They were derelict themselves.
>>>What many sincere neo-conservatives don’t realize, however, is that there is a Door #3 – the only safe choice – behind which is the Church of tradition, one that has no part in the poisonous Novus Ordo, the error-ridden content of Vatican II, the ramblings of the heretic Bergoglio and his fake “magisterium,” etc.<<<
So who IS the pope of Door #3?
Because the sede position is really starting to make some sense here, folks.
Door number three is the best option, but in order to unlock the door and enter you must “Unite the clans” with Our Lady as our leader. Only she holds the supernatural means to break the spell of Satan over the Pontiff and Rome through her Fatima message. Watch this movie clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6wE2W3ag1g We humans do not possess the power no matter how hard we “Will” to keep the faith and spread the truth. Pray the Rosary, spread the message of Fatima, and stop trying to promote your own ideological perspective through the use of Church doctrine, Tradition and Theology. Everyone here knows that stuff already.
Based on past performance Mr. Verrecchio is 100% correct in his conclusions in this article.
When Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider are excommunicated, they can put Pope Benedict XVI to the test to see if he is Catholic, by simply asking him if Pope John Paul II is right or the other bishop in white is right concerning the ordination of women (bishop in white, against bishop in white).They will only do that after they are excomunicated. That will be interesting, because Pope Benedict XVI led the dogma denying scam, that gave life and hope to the modernists on this subject long ago, despite both conclusions being infallible! How is it that popes can use infallible language and not be infallible? It boils down to whether all the conditions for infallibility were met or not. Pope John Paul II,s intent is derived from Pope Benedict XVI’s statement, not his proof demonstrating Pope John Paul II’s intent by Pope John Paul II’s statements. But sure the modernists will try to make a distinction between the ordination of women deacons and women priests!
All who say Vatican II or Francis is heretical will be excommunicated. The only door of any interest to us is if Benedict flees Rome or dies first! The answers are coming, be patient and keep the faith!
I believe it is imprudent to say “…stop trying to promote your own ideological perspective through the use of Church doctrine, Tradition and theology. Everyone here knows that stuff already.”
This I think we can agree is not so. I don’t agree that all those who visits this aka site are completely straight on Catholic doctrines. Did not our Lord say..
“And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them.  And seeing him they adored: but some doubted.  And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.  Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
Don’t get me wrong. Prayer is indeed necessary. Our goal is to get to heaven by KNOWING, loving and serving God. But in order to love and serve God we have to KNOW Him. And to know Him comes not only through baptism alone but through His teachings past down to us from the apostles. This above verse from Matthew says to TEACH twice! Teach BEFORE they are baptized and CONTINUE to teach AFTER baptism.
Keep up the great work Louie. I for one can never hear enough of your reminders and warnings and I consider myself somewhat well informed on the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Ora et labora ( Pray and Labor -yes do Pray but Labor also and teaching and studying is a form of labor.)
Will these bishops and cardinals pray and fast as they live the life of luxury in their mansions?
What would it take for Bergoglio to excommunicate Burke and Schneider? Ratzinger lifted the excommunication of four SSPX bishops in 2009. “Father Lombardi said it would be wrong to see the lifting of the excommunication as a rejection of Vatican II. “On the contrary, I think it is a beautiful thing that the council is no longer considered an element of division, but as an element in which every member of the church can meet,” he said.”
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Jorge to bother excommunicating anyone! It’s all controlled opposition within the NO Dioceses at this point. The only real question is whether Fr. Davide Pagliarani is bold enough to lead by going FULL SEDEVACANTE. Will the SSPX be wise as serpents and conspire with Sede elements of the SSP/ICKSP/Istituto Mater Boni Consilii to hold a conclave in Rome to elect a Catholic Pope? Is the time yet ripe to gird up thy loins, and take up Tradition to expose for all the world to see that Jorge is not Catholic but just the Soros backed leader of a Counterfeit V2 Church? What is should really be behind Door 3?
“Pope John Paul II,s intent is derived from Pope Benedict XVI’s statement, not his proof demonstrating Pope John Paul II’s intent by Pope John Paul II’s statements.” So, are you saying that since JPII’s intent is derived from BXVI’s statement, we cannot therefore know for sure what JPII’s intent was? Please give a clarification.
BTW, Vatican II and Francis are heretical.
Can we all start facing facts? We have been trying to save/fix something that is not the Catholic Church established by Our Lord. It has become a new sect (there is only one True Church). I cringe at talk of Burke and Schneider being “excommunicated” by a man who has already excommunicated himself…as have most of the rest of the hierarchy who now only happen to occupy traditionally Catholic real estate. Even Benedict predicted a very small Church of the truly faithful at the end. In retrospect, it appears all those who swerved off the path of redemption with Vatican II are no more Catholic than those who went the way of the Reformation. How will the VII popes face judgement after contributing to all the errors and heresies?
I am sickened by your blatantly vicious implication. Please reconsider your hatred for Our Lord’s Holy Church. If your love for Jorge Bergoglio exceeds your love for Jesus Christ, you are a worldling. Nothing more nor less.
It was not my intent to sicken you, and I do apologize for leading you on with the way I worded my post. My love for Bergoglio does not exceed my love for Christ. I wish I can say I am not a wordling, but I can say I aspire to not be of this world. It is difficult these days.
Wrest assured that I do not advocate for the Novus Ordo Circus. My post was to point out the ridiculous position of the R&R camp and to see if Louie would come clean with where he stands on the papacy. That was it. Louie does a great job exposing the issues and pointing out the obvious but I have yet to see him come out and say if he believes the See of Rome is vacant or if it is validly occupied by Benedict. I imagine there are a number of reasons for his silence and I don’t want to rush him. However, it never hurts to ask. He is free to answer or not.
Be at peace pearl87.
“What would it take for Bergoglio to excommunicate Burke and Schneider?”
What’s the only think they will never do?
These guys keep ignoring/avoiding the fact that the “schism” happened decades ago. ….a schism that they promote.
The SSPX are not in union with the Novus Ordo church, even if some members would like to be.
Hopefully that will not happen.
They are not like the FSSP and ICKSP at all, who have sided with the appearance of Communion, at the expense of Faith.
pigg0214: If you have facebook you can see Louie’s reply which I paste here: Louie Verrecchio Thank you, Laure and Charmaine. One would think (God forbid) that you ladies sincerely believe that the conciliar church over which BXVI reigned is the “true Church” and not a counterfeit! Sorry, but turning the clock back to 2013 in no way makes the See of Rome wherein “faithlessness cannot gain access” any more present and visible than it is today.
Remember, BXVI was delighted to offer the N.O., demand that the SSPX confirm Vatican II as “an integral part of Catholic tradition,” convoke Assisi III, defend man’s “right” to pick and chose and change whatever religion he happens to believe, reassure the Jews that they are A-OK apart from the Church, declare with joy that Gaudium et Spes is an anti-syllabus of errors… Need I go on?
And a reply from Charmaine: “One would think (God forbid) that **Father Gruner** sincerely believed that the conciliar church over which BXVI reigned was the “true Church” and not a counterfeit!”
No, Louie… by all means, thank YOU! Finally, FINALLY you lay your cards on the table once and for all, instead of continuously writing these cryptic blog posts, wherein visitors to your combox are confused and wondering just exactly where you stand. I can only be pleased to have assisted you in your “coming out” soiree, so to speak; if not only for the sense of relief it must surely bring you, but also for your readers who no longer have to play this worn-out guessing game any longer.
Thanks for sharing these Facebook posts, but I don’t know that this clears it up completely.
If I remember correctly, Louie has said in the past that the VII popes before Bergoglio were in material heresy. He did not think they rose to the level of formal heresy (where he believes that Bergoglio does). He also doesn’t say here that he believes that the See was and is still vacant. Also, all R&R folks would speak the same way when speaking of a counterfeit vs the true/Catholic church.
These Facebook posts do seem to suggest, however, that he is not a Resignationist/Bennyvacantist since he speaks of Ratzinger’s “reign” in the past tense.
It would be great if he would speak more plainly though. He seems like the kind of guy that will do just that when he is ready to do so.
If Bergoglio is their pope, then they are objectively in union with the Novus Ordo church.
SSPX Masses are offered in union with Francis and the local novus ordo diocesan ‘bishop’. So they are in union with the Novus Ordo.
I agree that, historically, they have paid little attention to the men they claim as their superiors but today they are ingratiating themselves as much as possible. The local ‘bishop’ was guest of honour at St Michael’s SSPX school in England, earlier this year.
If you ask the SSPX they will say they are in union with what they call the ‘mainstream’ or ‘official’ church.
The whole thing is false and perverted in itself and cannot be made right in any way. It is anathema to Faith, morals, the truth ab initio. It is a lie to pretend it is not inherently false and evil and a grave danger to the Faith and morals of souls and the good of the True Church. Lord, give us strength and consolation as we cry to you for mercy in our sinful desolation. Viva Cristo Rey.
There are not adequate words to describe the awful evil situatt of mass apostasy from top down. We are without our clerical fathers, abandoned.
The silence of the SSPX in face of so much that they ought to be officially condemning and warning the Faithful about has been so distressing these past six years especially. Lord have mercy. God’s wrath is great.
Well said. We are so few and isolated, in the temporal sense. Let Dear God use our imperfect suffering for repentance and conversion of the heretics, apostates, those obstinately in public mortal sin.
I almost feel sorry for you all. One indisputable truth that *nobody* here can deny. God could take out Francis tonight if he wanted to.
So? What does that prove, that God approves of Francis’ deeds?
Not necessarily although the fact that he created 6 popes in a row who are virtually indistinguishable from each other lends credence to the theory.
But I mostly just love the idea that all the debates will end at the Last Judgment and *nobody* will be able to stand up to God and disagree with Him. I personally think it is right wing Catholics who Our Lord is talking about Matthew 7:21-23(and it *can’t* be Jews, Muslims, Atheists or Progressive Christians he is talking about *by definition*)
It’s not for the SSPX to declare they are in union. They’re actually not, even if they want to be.
Is it the will of God that the baptized abandon Faith and tradition?
Ganganelli, in one sense brings up a valid point. There are only two logical positions to hold in this present time. First, if V2 and the Conciliar Popes are protected by the Holy Ghost, then any resistance to the changes is disobedient and we should simply go along with them, allowing the Church to form us and not trying to impose our traditional notion of Catholicism on the Church. If you cannot accept that, then the only position possible is that the V2 sect is not the Catholic Church and one should have nothing to do with them. All this recognizing but resisting nonsense is contradictory to the Catholic Faith plus it’s futile.
Awwww… don’t cry Gaggy baby… there there…
God could’ve taken out Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin and also the scheduled AntiChrist within minutes of their being born… if he wanted to!
Heck, God could’ve ended every AntiPope era within a night’s sleep… if He wanted to!
But the fact these men were allowed to operate as Francis does and the AntiChrist inevitably will, and that confusing times fall upon the people as they did then and do today… reaaaalllllyyyy tells us something now, doesn’t it?
Not necessarily, Ganganelli? When someone says “not necessarily” they are implicitly saying that it may be so or it may not be so. Therefore, what you are saying is that God MAY approve of Francis’s deeds. And that tells me that you and I do not have the same God. I believe in the Catholic God; you believe in the god of Bergoglio: “I don’t believe in a Catholic God. There is no Catholic God.” Jorge Bergoglio. Bergoglio’s god approves of his blasphemy, and you just said on this blog that it is “Not necessarily…” true that (the Catholic) God disapproves of it.
Whoa whoa whoa there Gaggynuts!
He ‘created’??? How do you know?
What if God just… ‘allowed’… by just sitting back and letting the heretics come out into the open. A nice phenomenon that’s not only occurring in the Church, but also in politics and on message boards around the world where certain *ahem* hypocrites who love to emotionally proclaim their moral superiority but end up having a black face past come out and tell the world how “sorry” they are for the rest of us…
You might probably want to read all of Matthew 7 – particularly starting from oh… verse 1… and all the way down to verse 29… aka – the whole thing (it’s not long, you can do it!).
Then there’s a very nice discussion to be had on which side of your favourite political aisle actually follows the whole of Matthew 7 more closely. And not just isolated verses that can be interpreted outside of the context, that you just tried to pull off here like the good little Protestant that we’ve long suspected you of being!
And given you’ve had a long storied history of laughable things here, it continues to amaze that you deliberately always miss Louie’s main point that is repeated throughout this blog – There are NO left or right Catholics – there is only Catholic and NOT-Catholic. The end.
P.S. – Christ is also and up-front including the Jews in Matthew 7. *By definition* and by *consequence*. And of course he intends the Progressive Christians *By definition* and by *consequence*. How you could screw that up so laughably goes to show how much honesty you possess… but let’s be fair… considering some of the shady things you’ve posted and said here that are so easily discreditable, you could just be an idiot.
2 Thessalonians 2 also comes to mind.
Oh Johnno boy, we’ve had our combox battles haven’t we?
Re: Matthew 7:21-23 it is simply a *fact* that Our Lord could not have been talking about Jews, Muslims, Atheists or progressive Catholics because *none* of them will say, “Lord, Lord haven’t we …”
And you can call me a Protestant all you want, it literally can’t bother me because your opinion simply doesn’t matter. None of our opinions do.
So if God truly is the God you imagine or more accurately the God you *want* and the last 6 Popes have been some kind of chastisement then in due time your position will be justified.
However if God is *not* the God you imagine or more accurately *want*….
People sometimes ask me how I can believe in Hell as a liberal Catholic and it’s a good question. I’ve been telling them recently, “Imagine the “hardest” trad you know. Imagine they die and go to their judgment and Fr. James Martin and Pope Francis are there in Heaven, God having pronounced them good and faithful servants. Now how will that trad react? With thankfulness? Or rather will he run, not walk, away from the merciful God that *actually exists*?
“…liberal Catholic…” That’s oxymoronic. You, like everyone else on the planet will be judged by God based upon, among other things, how honestly you sought the truth. You’re either ignorant of the 2000-year teaching of the Catholic Church or you DO know that teaching and seek, nevertheless, to subvert it. If it’s the latter, then you’re on your way to hell.
The sede position offers an explanation the crisis, but there is no consensus regarding a solution. There is no consensus in any other position either for that matter. The answer to your question is simply a very long interregnum. It’s possible that Paul VI thru Francis and their appointees are materially (or potentially) the Church hierarchy, but not formally (or actually), because they don’t appear to profess the Catholic Faith. I don’t know for sure.
Good Sunday evening, TomA,
In your comment, you evidence a non-sequitur, establishing a logical fallacy, the straw man, and you don’t know that you’ve done it. The true Catholic Church, established by the God-Man, Jesus the Christ, has always taught that true Catholics, those in their own personal pursuit of sanctity, who belong to the authentic Divine and Supernatural Society on earth, the Catholic Church now in eclipse, must not only assent into the One True Faith freely, as willfully, but they must also hold right reason in tandem. Faith and reason. Pure faith is an heresy, known as Fideism, and as thus it takes souls to Hell. Pure faith without reason, allows for the deceived to assent to the false church of Antichrist, established by Angelo Roncalli, the false pope John XXIII, in October, 1958, for instance, while at once believing that they adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church. Pure faith is evidence of sloth on one hand and it does not allow for the distinction of right from wrong on the other. While at once it has caused the willful adherence of hundreds of millions of would be Catholics, to clerics who deny the infallible and immutable as Magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church, while at the same time claiming not only to be Catholic but to be the Church’s Pontiffs, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, and Religious. Amen.
You wrote this: “First, if V2 and the Conciliar Popes are protected by the Holy Ghost, then any resistance to the changes is disobedient and we should simply go along with them, allowing the Church to form us and not trying to impose our traditional notion of Catholicism on the Church.
Hence, the straw man fallacy. Your non-sequitur is your suggestion, which is the conflation of the protection of the Holy Ghost with men who are heretics, as though God could protect heresy as heresy. It is utterly impossible, for what you refer to as the “Conciliar Popes”, to be protected by the Holy Ghost, as you even suggest the possibility. The fallacy is your notion that the Holy Ghost could possibly protect error, yet not just any iota of any error anywhere, but error as heresy within the Mystical Body of Christ, His Church. This is an ontological absurdity that literally rocks the cosmos. The Holy Ghost will protect error as heresy in the Catholic Church, you suggest as a plausible possibility. This is pure conjecture without reason and in fact is utterly contrary to reason. It is your straw-man. The possibility cannot exist and as thus it should not be proffered as a “possibility”, rather the Catholic thing to do is to utterly reject it outright, as to entertain the absurd, is to entertain that which simply cannot exist on one hand and when it pertains to the Faith, entertaining the possibility is itself, heresy, because it is a closed question. The Holy Ghost cannot “protect” heresy. Period and end. The suggestion itself utterly undermines what indeed the Holy Ghost does in His Church, which of course is to protect the Vicar of Christ from causing any, as any error, from ever entering the Deposit of Faith or equally important, from ever being taught from that same Deposit, by Christ’s Vicar or any Bishops in union with him. Amen.
You then wrote this:
” If you cannot accept that, then the only position possible is that the V2 sect is not the Catholic Church and one should have nothing to do with them. All this recognizing but resisting nonsense is contradictory to the Catholic Faith plus it’s futile.”
In truth TomA, none of this has one iota of anything to do simply with anyone’s “accept[ance]” of this or that. “Acceptance”, if you will, is understood as a willful assent. One does not willfully ascend until his intellect first informs his will, as Saint Thomas Aquinas taught. As the Angelic Doctor also taught, when the human intellect conforms to reality, as it is, this is truth. The only question is ever, “is this the truth?, which is reality, as it is, or is this deception-reality as any human person “thinks it is”, rather than reality “as it actually is”. This deception is taking legions of would be Catholics and the world writ large, to Hell. When the Son of Man comes again, will He find any faith left on earth? When the Son of Man comes again, it will be as the time of Noe. All of this profane chatter about “traditional Catholics”, “Novus Ordo Catholics”, “conservative Catholics”, “liberal Catholics”, etc., is not only profane, it is utterly dangerous to the One True Faith, as in reality, AS IT IS, in Truth thus, there is only, “Catholic”, and then everything, as “EVERYTHING ELSE”, which is taking countless souls to Hell. Amen. God bless you and yours’. In caritas.
It is simply a literary device that illustrates that if one were foolish to accept the notion that the Holy Ghost protected V2 and the conciliar false popes from error, then one would have to accept changing truth. Which is an impossible position. Just as resisting a council promulgated by a spotless Church is impossible. There is only one position that does not contradict Truth. Bergoglio and the modernist heretics are not the Catholic Church.
Dear In Caritas, You have convinced us of your deep holiness and absolute superior intelligence. Now could you shorten your responses and make them more readable to those of less intelligence like me. In Caritas.
Good Monday morning, My2cents,
Firstly, I am a perfectly miserable wretch, immanently deserving of Hell, and by the grace of Jesus the Christ alone, I pray one day that you and I enter the Beatific Vision. If I attain the Beatific Vision, it will have nothing to do with what little I’ve known, rather with how much I’ve loved, as the Apostle teaches. Amen. Aristotelian-Thomistic philosophy as metaphysics is an utterly necessary instrument to probe the deception, such as to arrive at truth. It is not for everyone My2cents, just as badminton or experimental physics isn’t for everyone. As you know, our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ commanded that it is utterly necessary to have the faith as a child to enter His Kingdom. If I can assist you in any way in better understanding something written, please let me know. As you also know, the length of a response has nothing to do with the validity of what is written, short or long. Proper philosophy simply requires a movement from question to question. If you don’t think so, read the Summa Theologiae. God bless you and yours’. In caritas.
OK–I give up! You could read my comments if you like. However, I will skip over yours. Your reasoning, wording and length of comment is way over my head. May we meet in Heaven, through the grace of God.
Why do people believe those who do not have the true Catholic faith can speak and act as though they do?
Rome abandoned Catholicism and invented another false religion, one more evil than any other man-invented religion in history and with each passing day where God is mocked, blasphemed and the most vile and Satanic sacrileges against His Being are made by the wolves in sheep’s clothing, the false prophets, so few care as they follow the same path to perdition that these men are taking.
It is a waste of time to listen to those who have joined the revolution against Christ and His Church while pretending to be His servants.
It is blasphemy to associate the Novus Ordo sect with The Roman Catholic Church, the Holy Spotless Bride of Christ. Yet this is exactly what the Matts, Skojecs, and countless others do on a daily basis. The V2 NO sect is a whore who has sold out to the secular world. Have nothing to do with them or their false sacraments.
As Pope Benedict XVI pontificated there is a hermeneutic of continuity without proving it, and the traditional tribes do prove there is a rupture. He stated it was not Pope John Paul II’s intent to move an infallible doctrine into the state of dogma, but to simply point out that the doctrine is infallible. (Ordinarily any questioning of an infallible doctrine by those who lack faith, should move it to the state of dogma!) One either has to ask someone what their intent is, or try to prove their intent by what they have said. What I say your intent is does not fly, especially if you alive and we can ask you, then quote you! Oddly, I am of the opinion in determining the intent of a pope, the pony airplane magisterium as personal opinion may be used to determine intent concerning something in a papal bull etc.
The problem with full sedevacantism is that their Masses are invalid because they changed the canon of the Mass. We know from history, the great western schism, that praying for a false claim-it, does not invalidate a Mass. But Catholic theology says to change the canon of the Mass does invalidate the Mass. To fail to pray for a claim-it changes the canon. From this we know all Sedevacantists are going to hell, they are not passing through purgatory, and they are not collecting any indulgences. I’m in the know on these theological things, and there can be no other way to understand Catholic theology, period. Or again the problem with full sedevacantism is expressed here in my imitation of them! There is a lack of Catholic humility in admitting what we really know and don’t know, and being honest about knowing and understanding other Catholic tribes positions and what Catholic theology they are derived from, and looking for the proper hierarchy of theology. We already know we have latched onto different theological points as the pinnacle of our tribal position. It’s the sin of rash suspicion to assume bad faith without substantial evidence. Look at how many in the various tribes come from the N.O., not just ignorance, but actual error.
You believe Sedevacantism will save the Church, Catholic prophesy implies SSPX priests will be compromised with the rest. If the full sedevacantists are too compromised, there will be a few diocesan and SSPX priests to join the ranks of the non-compermised. Else the remnant as far as clergy goes, looks to be established.
“Why do people believe those who do not have the true Catholic faith can speak and act as though they do?”
I don’t know. Maybe one of them will weigh-in and let us know. In the meantime I’ll pray for them that they ditch their worldliness, their laziness and their let’s-get-along-ism and turn to Truth with every fiber of their being.
The Apostle Paul tells us why, prophetically, in 2 Thess 2. Paraphrasing him, For God will send them the “operation of error to believe lying”, as they have no zeal nor love for the truth, rather they embrace a life of iniquity. He prefaces this with, “for those that will perish”. May Almighty God have mercy on His true children. Amen. In caritas
Every time a Pope dies, the Canon is altered and removes the name of the Pope. If changing the Canon invalidates the Mass, then your Novus Ordo is invalidated by your logic. Plus the Novus Ordo ordination rites. Please shows how changing the Canon invalidates the Mass. It only does so, if its essence is changed, like the Novus Ordo. You are woefully ignorant.
In caritas: I was referring to those like the R&R’s and other semi-traditional people who know the clergy are heretics and apostates and still plead with them to speak and act as if they are Catholic. Specifically, Burke and Schneider who, although they say and write some things in defense of the true faith, are members of the counterfeit church.
It’s “…their worldliness, their laziness and their let’s-get-along-ism…” That’s what it is.
‘Lord’ was a very common expression all over the place. And of course He was talking to and about the Jews dummy. They were all Jews until He fulfilled the Covenant. You know that whole curtain being torn in two thing? If you recall your Abraham, you’d get the message.
“None of our opinions do.”
Oh yes they do! And I’ll have you know I for one don’t care for ‘opinions’ I stick by dogma. And what’s all this falling back to discussing “‘the God you imagine or more accurately *want*”, how about we just stick to the revealed one that exists in the plain text you are trying to misread with gymnastic somersaulting all over the place around the rest of Matthew 7? Particularly the one about hearing the Lord’s words and DOING them and those who DO NOT DO THEM? Particularly that part about ‘the rock’? All there in Matthew 7 like lovely dressing on the cake. But I do like that you implicitly agree with the rest of us that ol’ Francis I and Paula Martin are obviously doing the opposite of all that! So now with all that in context, please tell us all again which ones are the “Lord-Lord”ers that Christ is referring to now?
And you wonder why we all call you ‘Protestant’… But we all have a clear idea of why the people at that Trad parish you went to and like to criticize were not very ‘welcoming’ towards you. I think they know an inebriated fox when they see one.
How can anyone who doesn’t appear to profess the Catholic Faith be Catholic, let alone the VICAR OF CHRIST? There is no confusion; those fools in Rome are purely evil agents of Satan. The rest of the conciliar church is either more agents of Satan, willfully ignorant or blissfully ignorant.
Burke and Schneider both have been long holding to such contradictory and untenable positions, going fully along and “in communion” with the N.O. church on one hand, but feigning “Catholic tradition” on the other. It’s hard not to believe that they are probably “controlled opposition”, and doing it on purpose. I mean how can anyone be that crazily inconsistent, and not be getting paid for it?
Moreover, Burke and Schneider are promoting and teaching by example the idea of a left/right paradigm in the pseudo “church”, when the genuine Catholic Church could never be anything else than just plain Catholic. There are no “parties” or “clans”. That’s just ugly worldly politics. Butt ugly.
But they are misleading many souls who are persuaded to stay within that false church, who continue to look up to them as “heroes” and “defenders” of the faith. It’s truly baffling.
But they know who signs their cheques.
If they were Catholics, they would condemn the rot that is the conciliar church—but they don’t. Ergo, they’re not Catholics.