Some optimistic souls, God bless ’em, are still holding out hope that the upcoming Synod will ultimately uphold Catholic tradition. Now, I don’t mean to be pessimistic here, but I do intend to remain realistic:
We’ve seen this act before; namely, in the events that began to unfold in October of 1962, and just in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t end well…
Very good read on the upcoming Synod of Bishops.
However, what I would just like to draw your attention to is the fact that we are living in a new “theological structured” world. I did a piece on just this aspect of Francis’ reign in a post titled “Theological Structuring? Francis Don’t Need No Stinking Theological Structuring!”. The link is here: https://sarmaticusblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/16/t-149-theological-structuring-francis-dont-need-no-stinking-theological-structuring/
I think a case can be made that Francis has been relieved of his teaching office by Card. Muller. If this is in fact the case, then we can expect that doctrine will not be changed. What will happen is that doctrine will be undermined. Francis is in a very weak position and the numbers at the Synod are heavily against him. This time, they will not even be able to get a majority vote on their rubbish.
I see the release of OFFICIAL attendance figures for Francis’ audiences which were put out by the Vatican last week as supporting evidence of that written above. They could have waited to the end of the year to put out the disastrous figures for the full year, yet they felt that this information was needed to be put into the public domain one month before the Synod. And they put out all three years together.
Coincidence? I think not.
This time around we have Louie, Michael Matt, John Vennari and Chris Ferrara (and others!) to keep an eye out for us and keep us educated and informed. Thanks, guys!
I think there are some major differences between this Synod and VII
1.) Pope Francis is completely transparent whereas Paul VI played his cards close to his vest.
2.) We know their game plan. We know their existence, strategy, and tactics. In VII orthodox bishops were blindsided. We now have an organized resistance.
3.) The internet. We can now circumvent their gatekeepers and get info out.
4.) They lack talent. In VII the enemy had highly intelligent young scholars and clergy on their side. Now their leading intellectual is Kasper, an 80+ year old man. And they have to rely on complete morons like Card Marx for leadership. We have the talent they don’t.
5.) Liberal Christianity had proven to be a money loser. Pragmatic bishops know if the Church goes too liberal they will lose donations. This will temper some bishops.
6.) SSPX – they have to be worried about mass defections to the SSPX.
7.) Pope Francis is considered by most to be a vacuous clown whereas Paul VI carried himself with some gravitas and regalness.
There are probably others I forgot.
“We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair. We are hunted down, but never abandoned by God. We get knocked down, but we are not destroyed.”
2 Corinthians 4:8-9
Yes, I agree that doctrine will be maintained but horribly weakened. It doesn’t matter, really, what the formal outcome is. Remember the fuss when Paul VI actually came out and said contraception was a no-no? Within minutes there were statements issued from all over the world saying yes-yes.
Now that we have worldwide disobedience on many fronts – contraception, divorce, attempted ‘re-marriage,’ abortion, sexual deviance, sacrilegious reception of Holy Communion, almost complete collapse of Confession – to simply repeat the doctrines of the Church really is a waste of time. The genie won’t go back into the lamp.
Louie is right. What we desperately need are good priests to come up and help us. We know we are sinking but if only we had a few good men to LEAD!!! Boy, we would follow, and take courage, and have a reason to move forward.
I get a sense, in myself anyway, that we are going around in circles. Louie puts up well thought out posts and many of us comment. At times we get into he-said/she-said tussles but for the most part we are able to express ourselves. But to what end?
There must be a way forward, and that does not mean just repeating that the boat is sinking. This is NOT a criticism of Louie or anyone else!!! I’m expressing my personal frustration.
There is a writer/teacher named John Senior who taught and wrote in the ’70s – his idea was that in order to build a new Christendom we needed to do the same things that were done to built the original model. His idea was to bring back monasticism into daily life. It is not necessary nor possible for everyone to live and work in the shadow of a monastery, but we can all look into this to see if there is a fit in our lives. It’s sort of like The Benedict Option but it is really much simpler – if we thought of becoming Benedictine Oblates we would go far to realizing the Christendom of the past. The radiance coming from powerhouses of prayer like Clear Creek and Norcia can be the light we need to see our way forward.
There is going to be a collapse of our beloved Church, just like there was in the dark ages. The monks of that time kept our Faith alive, within their walls, and without. I urge as many as are interested to look into this and see if it might be an option for your family. I will put up some links and books later.
I don’t want to just talk about this crisis and collapse I want to do something in my personal life, and build up a new Culture to replace the one falling down around our ears.
Louie is right, as usual. Just read “The Rhine Flows Into the Tiber” to see why I prefer to refer to V2 as a “Latrocinium”– a robber council. Cdl. Baldiserri, buddies with Kasper and the Pope, committed a crime by intercepting the shipment of the five Cardinals’ book to the Synod fathers in a blatant manipulation of the proceedings. Just a few weeks ago yet another shadow meeting took place. These men are devils and usurpers in the house of God. Kaspar and his fellow Germans are firmly in the Protestant camp and are perfectly content to see the Church go down in flames right along with the heretics.
You are 150% right. We must work for the renewal of the monasteries. I personally have been in touch with Clear Creek and am considering becoming an oblate. So long as men and women live the purity of the Faith as monastics, however cloistered, hope remains. Consider the immense power wielded by monks and religious in the past– for good: S. Benedict, S. Dominic, S. Therese of Lisieux; for evil: Augustinian monk Martin Luther.
I reckon that at this stage, the outcome of the sin-nod is largely irrelevant.
Ever since the infamous, “Who am I to judge” and the appointment of the scandalous sodomite Fr Ricca to head the Vatican bank (what better cleric to choose for such a post eh?) the genie has been out of the bottle.
Change is in the air, and the world’s bishops know it.
The world’s “catholics” are imbibing the new “springtime of Vatican II” reloaded and many of them are loving it.
Homosexuality, cohabitation, moral laxity… Don’t worry folks! We can all forget about all those pesky commandments now with Francis at the helm.
We don’t even need the faith to get to heaven now! So unless we happen to be some evil capitalist or member of the Italian mafia (remember they are “Excommunicated”), and perhaps a very strict, stubborn, proud, legalistic, and pharisaical promothean neo-pelagian we are ALL going to “heaven” folks (oh – and if you’re a really really really evil person like Hitler your soul will be “annihilated” at your death so no need to worry about being roasted alive in the fires of hell due to your wickedness)!!!
Phew… That really takes a load of my chest!
By the way, the infamous anti-Catholic paragraphs in the sin-nod of 2014 DID receive a majority, just not the required 60 something %.
Sure, Francis will ruffle a few feathers during the sin-nod from the more conservative clergy, but hey (so these clergy will say): this man Francis is orthodox after all – see he has “Canonized” the parents of a true saint, St Therese of Lisieux, so no need to worry!
And cohabitation – see now we can bless fornication too, it just doesn’t happen to have the “fullness” of matrimony (as per Vatican II theology?)
Oh and don’t forget promoters of sodomy – what a GREAT idea to promote a publisher of books promoting unnatural vice (I’m sure those backward Ruskies will soon join the rest of the civilized world in lifting their prohibition of sodomite propaganda for children)
Ahead with the revolution!
Down with the promothean neo-pelagians!!!
Regarding 5), in Germany at least I think it’s the other way around – the bishops are trying to accommodate increasingly liberal “Catholics” who flout the Church’s moral teaching on marriage and chastity etc in order to keep the coffers of the SUPER-rich “German Church” (hey, I think we can all stop calling it Catholic Church at this stage) as full as ever.
In one “Mic’d Up” interview with the editor of the “Regina” trad magazine (who lives in Germany), she claimed (half-jokingly) that if the “Catholics” of that country starting accepting bestiality as something normal, that the bishops would happily accommodate the apostates in order to maintain their coffers full.
Yes. Here’s a review from Amazon on “The Restoration of Catholic Culture”:
“In this second book on the cultural crisis of Christendom, Senior gives some great advice for those who are seeking a way beyond the current cultural demolition, from “smash the TV” to the importance of prayer and monasteries as the very core of our civilization. The depiction of his visit to a French Benedictine monastery, by itself, would be worth reading the book, but there’s much more to it. As someone who for many years taught what he preaches in this work, Senior is able to shed light on a wide range of areas of knowledge, from philosophy and theology to literature and education. The book reads like a conversation with an older, wiser friend who dedicated his life to the pursuit of truth. There is also some repetition of points and insights from his previous book, “The Death of Christian Culture”, but repetition comes naturally with speaking the truth, as many times as necessary. Published originally in 1983, this book retains the freshness of its insights and helps us understand the roots of many present evils.”
Here’s a bit on what John Senior was all about:
This is a reading of a chapter of The Restoration of Christian Culture by Senior. It’s a bit depressing but you’ll get a sense of his style
I’d be interested in taking a discussion of Benedictine Oblature to the Forum – will see if there is a space for it. This kind of adventure is a way to link to our past – Christendom! Imagine a renewal, beginning with just folks living the life as it was lived when all was dark centuries ago! Benedict was the answer then, maybe he’s the answer now.
Modern Vandals sweeping down from northern Europe, just as before.
“You have fed them with the bread of tears,
And given them tears to drink in great measure.”
“I do not doubt that you would correct yourself more earnestly if you would think more of an early death than of a long life.
And if you pondered in your heart the future pains of hell or of purgatory, I believe you would willingly endure labour and trouble and would fear no hardship.
But since these thoughts never pierce the heart and since we are enamoured of flattering pleasure, we remain very cold and indifferent. Our wretched body complains so easily because our soul is altogether too lifeless.
Pray humbly to the Lord, therefore, that He may give you the spirit of contrition and say with the Prophet: “Feed me, Lord, with the bread of mourning and give me to drink of tears in full measure.”
Imitation of Christ
Book 1; Chapter 21
Thomas a Kempis
A VORTEX YOU WILL NEVER SEE !
The fact that such scandalous, gravely sinful and sacrilegious things are being discussed, and voted on, nay, pushed, ad nauseam, at a meeting of bishops headed by the apparent pope, is more than enough to show the evil that Pope Francis and his supporters are responsible for. The whole “Synod” has been about attacking the natural and supernatural truths of marriage, family and the inextricable bonds between marriage and sexual intercourse. The whole thing is a defiant mockery of God and His Holy Laws written on man’s “heart”. If one does not recognise the apostasy from the top in this egregiously evil “Synod”, then one is culpably blind to the truth.
I strongly recommend everyone (who hasn’t already done so) read Roberto de Mattei on this matter of subverting and destroying Faith and morals through Council of VII and the Synod “on the Family” (really “against the Family”):
It’s on Lifesitenews from 1st July. (I can’t paste the link, unfortunately.)
Inspiring quote – thank you EM.
dear In Hoc,
“Reloaded ” alright-to say with what, now that would be inappropriate language. Another awsome comment from you. God love you.
In the 9th century, there was a precedent – a “Synod of Adultery” (didn’t include the perversion of sodomy though as the current one does):
Rorate Coeli has it on its blog from a few days ago – yes, it’s by Roberto de Mattei again.
dear S. Armaticus,
I hope you saw my tribute to you & A Catholic Thinker here late last Spring. If not, and you’d like to, I’ll repost it in a place in the Forum where it’ll be easy to find.
May She Who is the Seat of Wisdom protect you & yours always.
Another difference is that the heretics and apostates have been running the institutions of the Church for 50 years, and the heresies and moral evils have become “mainstreamed” in the institutional Church and across the baptised and those who purport to “practise” the Faith.
No matter what storms snarl around you, you always have Christ with you. You can strive to be a saint in the worst possible conditions. The martyrs persevered through the worst- and we will too. Have no fear and do not lose Hope. The worldly church may collapse, but your faith can never lapse unless you allow it.
” I cannot be a soldier. Cutoff my head; I cannot be a soldier of this world. I must serve only under my God.” …”I will not receive the seal of the world. If you put it around my neck I will break it, for I put no value on it. I am a Christian; I cannot carry a leaden seal (the imperial effigy) at my neck for I already carry the sacred seal of Christ.”
Maximilian, martyr, son of Victor, at his interrogation before Proconsul Cassius Dio at Theveste Numidia March 12 295AD; age: 21 years.
Dear Barbara, Supertradmum has written much good practical advice on forming true Catholic communities in the physical world, on her blog, Etheldreda’s Place, over some years.
Wendy Cukierski talks about this too on her blog. It sounds as if she and her family are in an unusually good situation for living more independently of the immoral state and societal tyranny that we are becoming ever more subject to – particularly where young children are concerned, or indeed, almost any interaction with the state (the puppets of the NWO government).
From Dom Mark Kirby, prior of the new – and as yet, very small – Silverstream Benedictine priory in County Meath, Ireland
Who are we kidding that Paul VI did said no to contraception? After all that has been said about the troubling double speak tactics of Vatican II you appear to still be duped by them yourself. He, along with Pius XII both opened wide the door to endorsing doctrines contrary to the infalible doctrine of the primary purpose of marriage being the procreation and education of children for God’s glory and that the primary purpose of procreation can never be separated from the subordinate and secondary purpose of unity in thought word or deed. They both endorsed separating the primary purpose from the secondary purpose through their endorsement of NFP when it and they taught that one can exclusively have recourse to the infertile period in order to separate procreation from unity during conjugal relations in order to avoid having children. This double speak is exactly what is going to happen with the divorced and remarried being able to receive communion and everyone will use it for all its worth when it comes to accepting with open arms adultery and quick bailouts on marriage as not being sinful just as 90 percent of so called Catholics beleive in and practise contraception and see it not as a mortal sin. Pope Pius XII and Paul VI and the modern ecclesiastic’s endorsement of NFP was the ‘carte blanche’ from Rome to contracept. Who are we kidding?
Are you serious? I thought this time around Pope Francis has stacked the Synod with his supporters even he said Cardinal Burke would be allowed to attend. So I expect a decisive vote to support both agendas voted down last time, public adulterers and sodomites would be allowed to partake the Holy Eucharist.
John vennari & christopher ferrara talk on synod part 1 herehttp://youtu.be/4Y65H8c5ppQ
Part 2 here
“…people have a right to the truth.” (at the end of the vortex episode)
I think Voris has become trapped in his own “vortex”.
Who will pull him out?
Yes, you are correct. I left all that unsaid because it is obvious. However, my focus is on going forward. How do we restore, not our Faith, but Christian Culture?
As I said before, we can’t just spin our wheels by describing the problem, and discussing the ins and outs of this writing, this pope, this bishop.
We must study what made Christendom the force it was, and see how we can grow it again.
Canon 2200.2 (1917):
“When an external violation of the Law has been committed, malice is presumed in the external forum until the contrary is proven.”
Canon 192 (1917.):
“A person may be unwillingly deprived of, or removed from, an office, either by operation of law or an act of the lawful superior.”
Canon 1884.4 (1917.):
“All offices whatsoever fall vacant and without any declaration if the cleric … publicly defects from the Catholic faith.”
( And who would doubt that the conciliar popes have publicly defected from the Catholic faith?)
(The footnote to C1884 refers us to Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio.)
Canon 2314 (1917.):
“All apostates from the Christian faith and each and every heretic or schismatic incurs ipso facto automatic excommunication.”
Pope Pius VI, Auctorem fidei, 1794:
“Likewise the proposition which teaches that it is necessary, according to the natural and divine laws, for either excommunication or for suspension, that a personal examination should precede, and that, therefore, sentences called ‘ipso facto’ have no other force than that of a serious threat without any actual effect.”
False, rash, pernicious, injurious to the power of the Church, erroneous.
( The notion that we need a council to judge is condemned by Pope Pius VI.)
Thanks for posting that link.
I read the article and it has some interesting facts (such as that during the 1st millennium prior to the break with Rome the “Greeks” – as to be expected – mostly upheld the indissolubility of marriage, in theory at least), but I think De Mattei is drawing a wrong analogy with the Sin-Nod “against the family” of 2015 (and it does appear he is making such a comparison since he says, “we have been here before”).
I don’t think we’ve been here before. The 10th century robber synod of which he speaks had no authority from the vicar of Christ, the pope; the orientals were working entirely on their own separately from the authority of the Holy Father and so the result of the phony synod was to be expected.
There have been other robber councils that did not have the approval of the Holy See – such as the council of Pistoia in late 18th century Italy that was later condemned vigorously by Pope Pius VI in the bull, “Auctor Fidei” (which incidentally has some huge bombshells against the insidious tactics of the modernists and other heretical reformers).
Regarding the Oktober Sin-Nod “Against the Family”, we are in entirely new territory, because the attacks against the faith are being made directly from THE TOP, i.e. from the man sitting in the chair of St Peter!!!
I don’t think this has ever happened before in the history of the church.
It is with good reason that after the release of the mid-term relatio (which had the approval of Francis) last year Bp Schneider claimed that never in Church history had such a heterodox document been produced.
Do not confuse the bishops that Francis appoints with those that the Bishop’s conferences are sending. The bishop’s conferences participants vastly outnumber the small number (6 at the last Synod) that Francis appoints.
Also please remember that according to the “Buenos Aires” school of theology, it is the “bishop of Rome with the other bishops” who “creates” novelty disguised as dogma. So Francis is at the mercy of the bishops conferences and who they send over. It needs to be kept in mind that the neo-modernists want to change the rules, i.e. that a simple majority will give Francis cover for change. But with the new delegate bishops at this upcoming synod, they will not be able to even get close.
On an aside, we were just informed that the bishops conference of the Philippines has come out against a law that would introduce divorce in that country. Keeping in mind that the Philippines is the home of the FrancisCardinal heir apparent and pretender to the Seat of St. Peter, i.e. one cardinal Tagle, you can almost feel how much opposition there is to FrancisChurch, even in the Asian Church which supposedly is the most heterodox.
This is not to say that it can’t go horribly wrong this year, but no reason to be despondent either.
Dear de Maria:
No I have not. But thank you for the thought.
And the prayers!
Dear In Hoc, Yes, of course. Nothing that has gone before has been so bad as what is happening now. As this is Apostasy from the top and centre of the Church – the heretics and apostates have all the power.
Dear Mr Lamb, On Canon 2200 – this is an iteration of the principle of Natural Justice, that at a certain point, the evidence against a person is so strong/persuasive, that the burden of proof shifts to the accused, to prove that he is not guilty of what he appears to be, on all the available evidence. We have certainly gone past this point with Pope Francis and that is why there is a duty on the bishops to act to demand that he show he is not in heresy on several points of doctrine, or be formally declared a heretic and outide of the Church.
You also are right. Enough complaining and pointing the finger. Time to start teaching.. I am hoping to make a document on the Churches teachings on the hierarchy of the purposes of marriage and I hope to present this in the forum. God bless you for the advice.
Good for you. I’ve been getting a blog ready for months and months but have not done the finishing yet. There is so much information – and really great blogs – out there that I may just do it for myself as an exercise in clear thinking on the issue of The Restoration of Christian Culture.
May God bless your efforts, and I look forward to reading your stuff.
Not sure can trust De Mattei as a historian. For instance: “What happened? A group of Council Fathers from Central Europe and Latin America, who had the principal representatives of the “nouvelle théologie” as their experts, had decided to reject the schemes prepared by the Roman commissions because they thought them too traditional.”
Here’s what happened according to the NYT: “Cardinal Suenens sent Pope John XXIII a critique of these texts and earned his approval to prepare an alternative agenda for the Council, focusing on a handful of key questions and dividing the work into internal church reform on the one hand and the church’s relations with the rest of the world on the other. The Belgian Cardinal’s presentation of this alternative approach during the Council’s first session was a turning point in the bishops’ deliberations. Pope John then appointed him to a new coordinating committee that reviewed all the preparatory material before the next session in 1963 and essentially set the agenda for the entire Council. Pope Paul VI, who succeeded Pope John in June 1963, made Cardinal Suenens one of the four moderators of the Council who presided over it.”
Here’s Mattei again: “The speech which caused the greatest sensation was that of Cardinal Leo Suenens (one of the 4 moderators appointed by Paul 6), Archbishop of Brussels, on 29 October 1964, who referred to birth control with these vehement words: “It could be that we have accentuated the words of Holy Scripture, ‘Go forth and multiply’, to the extent that the other divine words have been overshadowed, ‘The two will become one flesh’. Let us follow the progress of science. I implore you, brothers: let us avoid a new trial of Galileo. One is enough for the Church.” These words caused indignation among those Council Fathers who remained faithful to the teaching of the Church. They (those against BC!!) disconcerted Paul VI who decided to delete the issue of birth control from Gaudium et Spes, reserving discussion of it to the committee which Giovanni XXIII had created in 1963, ON THE ADVICE of Suenens (who made the speech in favor of BC!)… A group of protagonists of the Council who were against Paul VI’s encyclical, including the cardinals Suenens, Alfrink, Heenan, Döpfner (another moderator appointed by Paul6) and König, met in the German city of Essen to coordinate their opposition to Humanae Vitae. …pen dissent from the Pope, and from the traditional doctrine of the Church, did not come only from theologians and priests, but even from some episcopates, including the Belgian, headed by the cardinal primate Leo Suenens, and the German, chaired by Cardinal Julius August Döpfner (neither of these Church Fathers were Latin American or Central European!)… As a result, the post-conciliar period did not follow the instructions of Humanae Vitae, but instead those of Cardinal Suenens and the dissident theologians.”
De Mattei is especially coy because Suenens is the Church Father of perverse pedophile Danneels (appointed to last fall’s synod by bergoglio (in the belgium ped scandals suenens grave was searched cause thought ‘his son dan’ hid ped docs hid there!) and also the good friend (as was Paul 6 homo) of Luciani (murdered JP1 homo) — and probably key figure (Wojtyla helped) in getting Luciani elected. Paul 6 let Luciani give a speech favoring homo marriage while pope; in addition Lucy supported homo adoption, homo rights (and also divorce and remarriage) : “SEXUAL ORIENTATION In 1941, he wrote a thesis, Strategy of a Strange War (currently in the Apostolic Library), in which he discussed human sexuality after observing the sexual behavior of Italian prisoners. He concluded that sexual orientation was essentially unchangeable, and that it was not uncommon for heterosexual male prisoners to engage in same-sex acts, thus illustrating a distinction between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. During his time as Patriarch of Venice he became particularly outspoken on issues of sexuality, and controversially advocated greater tolerance and acceptance in the Church for gay men and women.
LGBT ADOPTION He permitted the adoption of children from orphanages in his diocese by homosexual couples reasoning in a letter to a colleague, “that we have found that homosexuals will take handicapped and less than healthy and attractive children. Most importantly they will take bastards.” It was his lobbying in the Italian Parliament that made it legal for single persons to adopt children in Italy, directly accepting that this would include homosexuals.In a letter to his mother he bemoaned that “There is something terribly wrong with a society that thinks one’s sex is what makes one a good parent”.
GAY CIVIL UNIONS Before his death Pope Paul VI even permitted Luciani to address the Vatican cardinals on the possibility the Church might encourage homosexuals to enter into long-term loving relationships. This received a poor reception, but in conclusion he stated that, “The day is not far off when we will have to answer to these people who through the years have been humiliated, whose rights have been ignored, whose human dignity has been offended, their identity denied and their liberty oppressed. What is more we will have to answer to the God who created them”
A spirited discussion of these quotes and their implications can be found at the Wild Reed Blog here.
de Mattei says nothing about the perverse homos who passed this perverse VC2 agenda, but their “sons” are the same ones now calling their vicious vice “a sacrament” (the ends of which can NEVER be procreation). Note how politic de Mattei says nuthin’ bout that either ’cause he knows the homos are in full control of both sides of the vc2 aisle (I’m talkin Ratz’ wing).
For more info on de Mattei false vc2 history search at http://www.traditioninaction.org
The heterodox church, planning it’s synod, in the real estate of the Catholic Church is like Elizabeth I pretending to be the new Madonna.
Peeps – read the above posted ‘bears repeating’, as if the Church tells the truth for cryin’ out loud.
But hey, the entire British Empire bought it! And then didn’t and so become non-Anglican Protestants.