As I am certain most everyone here already knows, Michael Voris (STB, no less) has graced the worldwide web with yet another rant concerning the Society of St. Pius X; in this case, as it relates to their stark warnings about the dangers of the Novus Ordo.
I’ve lost track of the number of messages and emails I’ve received from people, priests included, suggesting that they’re looking forward to my response to this latest Boretex.
Yea, I get it, I suppose… Voris and I did that program on the SSPX back in 2012; before he was motivated to treat them as if they are the greatest threat facing the Church in our day. Maybe that lends some intrigue, but that was a long time ago.
I’d rather think that people are interested in how I’ll respond because I’m unbiased.
For one, I have no affiliation with the Society. I don’t frequent their chapels; I don’t routinely receive the sacraments from their priests, nor do I receive their spiritual direction, etc.
Furthermore, the content posted on this blog isn’t shaded by a need to placate any behind the scenes figures; i.e., no one bought a building for me; much less did anyone buy me for a building.
The approach taken to very serious matters concerning the Catholic faith here – not just by me, but by our commenters as well – is driven by just one thing; the desire to discover the truth.
Sure, we make room for levity here and there, and sometimes things get a bit heated and we veer a little off course, but finding the truth is the priority.
I’d also like to think that people visit this space because once that truth is discovered, I’ll do my best to deliver and defend it in the face of all attacks, including those that come from the very top; even if doing so comes at considerable cost (and I can assure you, it has).
On a closely related note, I think readers realize that none of us are complacent when it comes to such things; i.e., by necessity, we’ll roll up our sleeves and dig for the truth, knowing that it might not be what we presently believe or even what the men who have the duty of speaking in the name of the Church are telling us.
For me personally, I know that I don’t always get things right, but I’m not going to be whisked away by the undertow of someone else’s opinion when it comes to important Catholic matters; accepting their word as true simply because they wear a collar, or put a few letters after their name, or otherwise present themselves as some sort of authority figure.
I spent way too many years being misled by such persons, including popes, to go down that road ever again. (It’s that old adage at play, “Fool me once…”)
I tell you these things because herein lies the key to attaining authentic sensus Catholicus, and specifically, in the present case, this also happens to be the only way to get one’s hands around the Society’s view of the Novus Ordo, the same that Special Prosecutor Voris entered into evidence as the quintessential smoking gun in his case against them.
In short, it’s pretty simple folks:
Those who are too damned lazy to explore things for themselves; or who allow themselves to be driven more by emotion than by intellect; or happen to be too weak to believe their “lyin’ eyes” when their opinions are clearly challenged by reality; or have an inclination toward engaging in cult-like hero worship of mere men who enjoy the public spotlight… such persons will always find the truth elusive.
To grasp the matter under discussion here, it’s necessary to consider primary sources, like the original, unedited General Instruction for the Roman Missal of 1969 for the Novus Ordo Missae, wherein the authors of that infelicitous rite plainly expressed the purposes for which it is crafted as it is; further explaining what the new rite intends to communicate, and just as importantly, what it does not intend to convey, etc.
It’s also going to be necessary to avail oneself of the insights of impeccably honorable men like Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci, Michael Davies, and certainly not least among them, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
These men were considered giants in the Catholic Church by clergy and laity alike (including popes) for very good reason, both before and after the Council, and their treatments of the new Mass are dismissed out of hand only by fools, some willing, others perhaps not so much.
Look, my opinion of the new Mass doesn’t really matter very much; neither does Michael Voris’ or the Society’s for that matter. What matters in all things is the truth, and that’s another reason why people visit this space.
Neither I, nor any other lay “traditionalist” (aka Catholic) worth a wooden nickel wants anyone to simply take their word for anything pertaining the Faith; rather, we desire nothing more than for the truth to be known and embraced for its own sake.
That’s the Catholic way, and yet, one cannot but recognize that when it comes to all things SSPX, it’s not the way Michael Voris operates.
Why do I say that?
It’s obvious given the fact that the man steadfastly refuses to allow a priest-representative of the SSPX to come on air to be challenged directly, so that he might speak for the Society firsthand; explaining their positions fully in their own words.
Rather, Voris clearly wants his viewers to form an opinion of the SSPX based simply on what he and selected others have to say about them (even going so far as to twist their words when his opinion is challenged).
He’s shown no interest whatsoever in assisting his viewers in forming an opinion based upon the unadulterated truth; who the SSPX truly is and what they have to say for themselves, and even more importantly, the contribution they have to make in defense of the faith during what all concerned recognize as a terrible crisis.
And please, don’t be so naive as to believe that lifting selected quotes from a 5 minute video is enough to explain what the Society is all about; it’s not, especially when it comes to a topic as complex and unprecedented as the issues surrounding the new Mass.
In any case, those of you who are regular CMTV viewers and/or subscribers, tell me:
How interested would you be in watching Michael Voris interview a priest of the SSPX, live on air, for an hour or more?
I’m not talking about a cat fight here, but rather a straight forward, no holds barred, yet charitable, face to face conversation ordered toward discovering the truth and defending the faith.
I can’t speak for the Society, but knowing some of their priests as I do, I would venture to say that the only thing that they would ask in return is for a real opportunity to speak.
Does that sound like a program you’d like to watch?
If so, let Michael Voris know just how interested you are in that program. He may not accede to your wishes, but at the very least you’ll learn a thing or two about his make-up and his motives.
Remember who we’re talking about here:
This is the same Michael Voris who boldly challenged Cardinal Dolan face to face, without any fear that putting His Buffoonery on camera to answer for his behavior in his own words, in spite of his considerable charisma and stage presence, would somehow endanger the souls of impressionable viewers.
So don’t let him make that lame excuse for not challenging the SSPX face to face as, clearly, that dog won’t hunt.
At this, I ask your forgiveness… This rather general reaction to Voris’ latest anti-Society rant has gone a bit longer than expected, so much so that I will save more specific commentary relative to the points and counterpoints raised by both the Society and by Voris as it concerns the Novus Ordo for another post.
In the meantime, if you haven’t already seen this, please, do yourself a favor and watch John Vennari’s outstanding video below. It’s loaded with very important references that shed bright Catholic light on the situation:
Church_Militant_Moderator Mod Louie_Verrecchio • an hour ago You know our policy. Stop complaining about it. You were already blocked under one of your other aliases. It can happen again.
Church_Militant_Moderator Mod Louie_Verrecchio • an hour ago Oops. Too quick on the keyboard. Please disregard above threat. Thought I was on our own site.
Church_Militant_Moderator Mod Louie_Verrecchio • an hour ago UPDATE: Was informed that our site was hacked. Believed to be SSSPX! (SchismaticSSPX)
“I’d also like to think that people visit this space because once that truth is discovered, I’ll do my best to deliver and defend it in the face of all attacks, ”
And that you do, Louie, DEFEND the Faith and souls! For that, I thank you. Also you don’t BLOCK us. My goodness, I’ve been blocked on making ANY comments on CM.com, no one can disagree even in a charitable way when Voris makes outlandish and many times untruthful statements.
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I worship with the SSPX and find them to be spot-on in their Lefebvreian views. My only concern is that Bishop Fellay seems to want recognition from Rome. Rome is in apostasy and doesn’t know it. In my view the SSPX together with other Traditionalists ARE the Catholic Church today. Rome MUST return to the Traditional Church before we can even give them the time of day. Francis is either a Freemason or has been brainwashed by Freemasons. He doesn’t seem to know his ABCs of true Catholicism. Down deep he believes he will become New World Leader of the One World Religion. At least he presents himself in that manner.
Ken, as bad as it is, it is impossible for there to be a “church,” as the Catholic Church has ALWAYS defined Herself, without a pope.
We’re stuck. Period.
Your sentiments about the orientation of the current occupant are spot on but everyone has to accept that he IS the pope, for good or ill.
Abp LeFebvre was very upfront about that. He specifically said that the SSPX is IN the Catholic Church (as even Pope Benedict XVI affirmed), even if everyone else was running around “trying to find it” by looking in all the wrong places and doing all the wrong things.
It’s a critical distinction to keep in mind.
I’ve never heard anyone associated with the SSPX say “Lefebvreian views.” I have heard those hostile to the SSPX say it. Strange.
Geoffrey M. you are spot on, F.S.S.P X member, God Bless Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre/ Bishop Antonio de Castro Mater. ssoldie
“I’d also like to think that people visit this space because once that truth is discovered, I’ll do my best to deliver and defend it in the face of all attacks, including those that come from the very top; even if doing so comes at considerable cost (and I can assure you, it has).”
That is EXACTLY why I visit this site every day, more than once a day.
God bless you and reward you in this life and the next, Mr. Verrecchio!!!!!
“I spent way too many years being misled by such persons, including popes, to go down that road ever again. (It’s that old adage at play, “Fool me once…”)”
And that is the OTHER reason why I frequent this site!!!
This is an awesome article!
Could someone please explain this comment to me?
This makes absolutely no sense to me. Help!
And the word “worship” — Strange.
Sounds odd but it is correct put that way…The good Bishop Lefebvre’s views are his own, and are pretty reasonable too.
CMTV also appears to buy into the Party Line of Fatima and the Conseration of RUssia hook, line & sinker. Their evidence being the already-debunked Sr. Lucia letter on EWTN.
Michael Voris in a Q&A question, I believe in Manilla, also refused to entertain a question about the failure of the Popes to Consecrate Russia, dismissing Fatima as merely another private revelation.
I believe the Remnant got it right, in that CMTV and Mr. Voris adhere to Papal Positivism. But in a way they are selective. Mr. Voris in the past has no problem pointing out the weaknesses of Popes in the far past of Church History, or with regards to Paul VI’s shortcomings. Not to mention his quotations of Cardinal Burke’s criticisms before the 360.
Now all of a sudden, when it comes to the conciliar Popes, he will not criticize, the fear apparently being that he doesn’t want to say something that will lead someone to walk away from the Catholic Church due to criticism of the Pope. I don’t buy this, but maybe he’s experienced some personal situation that makes him take this stance. But that still doesn’t excuse him for going on the offensive against others who do, and allowing CMTV to label them as he did.
I don’t understand why Michael Voris has gone off the rails to such an extent. The SSPX has no intention of separating themselves from the One True Church. In fact they make this clear at every opportunity.
They are in an irregular situation and we all hope someday they will be allowed to just be Catholic without having to sign on to documents that as Bishop Schneider says will drift into nothingness in mere decades.
To state that “schism” is worse than abortion or sodomy as Church Militant has done is to reveal oneself woefully ignorant of what constitutes mortal sin. INTENT must be there. Where is the intent? Even for Bishop Lefebvre the intent was to preserve traditional training for seminarians until sanity prevailed once again in Rome. Even when he consecrated bishops without permission his intent was to preserve – again until wiser heads came to power.
Abortion is the deliberate murder of an innocent child. There is no doubt that the intent is to kill. Sodomy is the use of sexual faculties in a dis-ordered way – there is no doubt about this intent – it’s inherent in the act.
Unfortunately Michael Voris may be convincing the ignorant on this issue, but anyone who gives actual Catholic teaching about sin is laughing at him.
I cannot adequately express my admiration for your courage and integrity in what you have written:
“… once that truth is discovered, I’ll do my best to deliver and defend it in the face of all attacks, including those that come from the very top; even if doing so comes at considerable cost (and I can assure you, it has).”
(I’m told Tom Drolesky was nearly bankrupted for writing truth.)
“The approach taken to very serious matters concerning the Catholic faith here – not just by me, but by our commenters as well – is driven by just one thing; the desire to discover the truth.”
“Those who are too damned lazy to explore things for themselves; or who allow themselves to be driven more by emotion than by intellect; or happen to be too weak to believe their “lyin’ eyes” when their opinions are clearly challenged by reality; or have an inclination toward engaging in cult-like hero worship of mere men who enjoy the public spotlight… such persons will always find the truth elusive.”
“… we desire nothing more than for the truth to be known and embraced for its own sake.”
I’ve found some more back up for ipso facto loss of office:
Canon 2200.2 (1917):
“When an external violation of the Law has been committed, malice is presumed in the external forum until the contrary is proven.”
Canon 192 (1917.):
“A person may be unwillingly deprived of, or removed from, an office, either by operation of law or an act of the lawful superior.”
(Exactly what you said.)
Canon 1884.4 (1917.):
“All offices whatsoever fall vacant and without any declaration if the cleric … publicly defects from the Catholic faith.”
( And who would doubt that the conciliar popes have publicly defected from the Catholic faith?)
(The footnote to C1884 refers us to Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio.)
Canon 2314 (1917.):
“All apostates from the Christian faith and each and every heretic or schismatic incurs ipso facto automatic excommunication.”
Pope Pius VI, Auctorem fidei, 1794:
“Likewise the proposition which teaches that it is necessary, according to the natural and divine laws, for either excommunication or for suspension, that a personal examination should precede, and that, therefore, sentences called ‘ipso facto’ have no other force than that of a serious threat without any actual effect.”
False, rash, pernicious, injurious to the power of the Church, erroneous.
( The notion that we need a council to judge is condemned by Pope Pius VI.)
1. Pope Pius IV teaches that Canons are for the use of all the faithful to reliably recognize Catholic truth from all errors that may arise.
2. No declaration means no trials. All persons who recede from Catholic teaching in the least degree remove themselves from the Church.
3. What man in his right mind would still contend that the conciliar popes are valid popes, or that Catholics should continue to seek canonical recognition from them???
It’s ironic that I came to find out about your site in the spring of ’13 from watching one of the “Mic’d Up” shows wherein you were interviewed by Mr Voris. I think there’s a good chance a good many of your current readers came to know you through ChurchMilitant.tv too. To me, Fr Nicholson (opus dei priest) is the heart and mind of the Church Militant operation and Terry the one financing the entire operation. I believe Voris’ heart is in the right place but his mind (wittingly or unwittingly) has been hijacked by Fr Nicholson, an opus dei priest. IOW – I do believe Voris is under the sinister influence of opus dei – which explains his absolute refusal to criticize Francis no matter what outrageous things he may say (his de facto papalotry), and his strong opposition to the SSPX. Not saying Voris isn’t culpable of the outrageous things he’s been saying lately, but I think it can be helpful to understand why he’s been acting thus.
It’s interesting that the CMTV gang adheres to the Fatima “Party Line” (aka “FatimaLite rt.”)
There always infallibly seems to be an opposition between true adherents to Tradition and faux traditionalists when it comes to Fatima. The real Fatima message, in effect, always seems to be the dividing line between these two groups.
CMTV is pretty much an Opus Dei operation. That explains pretty much everything going on there – a refusal to criticize the Novus Ordo, the papalotry, adhering to the Party Line on Fatima etc (See my comments below).
Unfortunately, I don’t buy your blather that you will go with the truth when you discover it. Especially when you then post Vennari’s video that states he never goes to the new mass, but won’t tell other people what to do because he’s a lay man. This is a direct quote from Voris’ site: “Do they really expect that these prelates would support the notion that you must stay at home on Sunday and refuse to go to Mass and just say a private Rosary because the Mass you would be attending is the New Mass? Really? Would these prelates that they pretend are all in on the SSPX — would they really say that the New Mass is an offense — an offense — against God?”
You, Vennari, and Michael Matt constantly indicate that it is not a question of style why you don’t go to the new mass, but of substance. You all indicate the VC2 sect is teaching heresy – (Vennari has a video out where he states he would not allow the man he calls Pope (i.e. the Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth) the Pope to teach his child) but then you state you all belong to this VC2 sect and go to their ‘traditional latin masses’ and their priests which as Voris states ALL SAY THE NEW MASS and TEACH THE DOCTRINAL HERESIES you all write about (yet their audience is much bigger than yours and supposably (sic) they are not laymen, but priests, bishops, cardinals and popes!!!!! Further in this post you state that you don’t buy what someone says just because he is a bishop — does that mean you don’t obey him? That you decide the faith for yourself?
According to you, Voris’ big backer is Fraternity of St. Peter — so that person supports the traditional Latin Mass as much as you Vennari, Matt, and CF do! Those priests broke away from the SSPX (or never joined) but took JP2’s offer to have the traditional Latin Mass w/in the VC2 sect — these are no doubt the masses you all attend and perhaps receive hosts consecrated at a VC2 offense against God mass in holy communion (and also walk around on the crumbs that fall from those who take ‘holy communion’ in the hand etc.)! FSSP would never state what the SSPX does state: do not go to FSSP masses, do not go to VC2 masses — in fact FSSP priests could be ordained in the new rite, by bishops ordained in the new rite and say the VC2 mass or the traditional Latin mass as ordered by their VC2 bishop.
To me it is NOT Voris who is being inconsistent here, but you, Vennari, Michael Matt, Rorate and Chris Ferrara.
(1) If the new mass is an offense against God and the VC2 sect is teaching heresy (i.e. something that you would not allow your own child to receive lest he lose his immortal soul and burn in hell for all eternity), and the Holy Ghost has revealed that to you, then YOU are blaspheming the Holy Ghost by remaining in the VC2 sect and attending FSSP masses.
(2) SSPX is in schism if the pope is the pope, i.e. the Vicar of Christ on earth (and like I say when you state on the one hand that he teaches heresy (those who don’t believe in Jesus Christ go to heaven, while at the same time no-one goes to hell, that Mary blasphemed God at the foot of the cross, that Jesus Christ did not multiply the loaves and fishes, that He didn’t die for our sins, that He didn’t resurrect from the dead on the third day and ascend into heaven, that man is at the center of the universe, not God, that we need to pray to Gaia), has lost the faith and celebrates ‘a liturgy’ that you wouldn’t attend and on the other hand ‘recognize’ him as the Representative of Jesus Christ on earth you risk (ARE) blaspheming the Holy Ghost–see (1) above). Rorate states the question isn’t important, but the TRUTH is what you claim to be seeking here. And when you discover you will state it. In my view the truth is always of paramount importance. Rather than Voris interviewing a priest of the SSPX, I personally would like to see you, LV, give your (honest) answers (and MM, Vennari, & CF’s if you can get them), to questions Voris’ raises in the link above.
P.S. I would also like to refer people again to the video at vaticancatholic.com on what is wrong w/basing your views on what you should do in 2015 on what a man who died in 1989 did. What is BL’s claim to respect –that he has bishop after his name or that he died excommunicate from the VC2 sect in order to pass on the Catholic Faith and the Priesthood by consecrating bishops and ordaining priests? I post the link to this video again to show you that Lefebvre did not reject the sedevacantist position and did raise the serious sin of (NB! LV, MM, CF, JV, Rorate) ascribing to the inspiration of the Holy Ghost the actions of a man you KNOW is a heretic by calling him ‘pope’.
P.P.S. Also to bring up your favorite quote from 2 Tim 3:7 – beware that in your (so-called) pursuit of the truth you do not become (a foolish harlot) “always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” OR that you do not become Pontius Pilate who washes his hands of the truth and asks “What is Truth?” while the Truth is staring right at him.
I think that the old saying of “you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink” is apropos here. While I personally agree with your base beliefs, I also believe that most of those here including the author are very sincere in their search for truth and their desire to do the right thing. Sometimes its appropriate to hound someone on a point, sometimes it just becomes counterproductive to do so. V2 has done nothing other than to sow discord and confusion among good people, as was its goal in the first place. Not everyone will come to the same conclusions that people like you and I did, but its not because they are not good people. Like I said on another post somewhere on this blog, when the few remaining of the remnant argue among themselves the devil is surely pleased. I understand that certain stances have to be taken but I also think that a good and sincere Catholic soul will always be moved in the right direction and that not everyone will cross the finish line at the same time.
I think what you have said is very mature, charitable and Catholic.
Thank you for the correction, Barbara.
I apologize for my lack of understanding.
Actually, the Church has on many occasions functioned without a real pope. Anti-popes, sometimes multiples at the same time, really aren’t that uncommon. I used the word “aren’t” instead of “weren’t” because it denotes present and future tense. The Church has also functioned with some really bad popes.
I also attend an SSPX chapel, in fact the one shown in the photo that accompanies Louie’s as usual excellent article. It is Our Lady of Sorrows parish in Phoenix. That location will see Bishop Fellay consecrate the huge, new, beautiful (TRADITIONAL) church building in September. That location now has FIVE priests, two brothers, the new church, a retreat center and an academy.
The explosive growth would seem to indicate Catholics are increasingly recognizing what Cardinal Burke recognizes: “The (SSPX) people HAVE the Catholic faith along with the sacred liturgy…”
I also agree with the earlier poster who said the SSPX along with other traditionalists ARE the True Church today. That will, I fear, become even more clear come October.
Immaculate heart of mary
Pope Leo XIII, Dall’ Alto, 1890:
“It is needless now to put the Masonic sects upon their trial. They are already judged; their ends, their means, their doctrines, and their actions are all known with indisputable certainty. Possessed by the spirit of Satan, whose instrument they are, they burn like him with a deadly and implacable hatred of Jesus Christ and of His work; and they endeavour by every means to overthrow and fetter it.”
Bergoglio, like all his conciliar predecessors, is a judeo-mason.
If only the SSPX would drop their so untenable R&R position, which has no basis whatever in Catholic doctrine, sever all ties with the NO church of darkness and stop saying the una cum Mass, the Remnant would take such a huge leap forward. Please God they will after October.
This evening I saw a photo of Benedict giving Bp. Fellay a masonic handshake. I only hope he is not part of that “false right” recently reffered to.
This topic is pertinent to me.
Let me explain.
In disgust at my novus ordo’s parish omission of the Roman Canon for over two years I searched for a Mass to attend.I found a Latin Mass and off I went!
I went to confession and enjoyed Benediction very much then the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass began.
It was not what I expected.It was mostly silent.I tossed the Missal in the pew and prayed and watched.
It broke my heart.I cried.I felt like it was the first time I had been to Mass since the 60’s.I was so repentant I had forgotten what it was like!!!!
It was miraculous…I was a little boy again…my innocence restored!I thanked God for the gift of the Mass.
My life will never be the same.I will still attend the novus ordo…but my prayer will be focused on reparation for the abuses and sacrilege that occur there.
I was born in 61…When I went to that Mass I recognized instantly the Faith I was raised in…and was so sad I had forgotten it.
It is a shame many in the pews today have never prayed it.
As for Voris and the SSPX…….the SSPX is EXACTLY the same as the Faith I was raised in…and believe with my entire heart and soul.
Anybody that attacks that is clearly a heretic or enemy of Christ.
Dear Cistercian, Thank you for your loving witness to truth.
Outside pressure on CMTV to interview SSPX representatives is not going to be successful. There must be a sincere desire to find and report the truth about the 45 year old priestly society, which has kept the Traditional Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the Church. There must be an openness to grace. Pray for that grace. Pray that people will not continue to be led astray by apostate prelates.
It is the least I can do.The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is truly the summit and apex of our faith.
The degree to which it has been diluted is truly offensive.I am frankly appalled at how long it took me to realize this.
Please remember me at Mass.I will do the same for you.
Dear Cistercian, I don’t often get to Mass because of my chronic illness, but I will remember you in my next few rosaries. God bless. Your sister in Christ, Lynda.
I sometimes think Catholics underestimate the harm that the N Ordo mass has done not only to the church body, but to the world. The world needs the catholic church in its true form The world needs Catholics, not protestants posing as Catholics. Catholics are the light-bearers and when I hear Michael Voris carrying on against the likes of SSPX, I can only think that he’s afflicted somehow; that he thinks that being right about this matters more than the restoration of the mass, the true sacrifice which is needed by the whole world. We see what has happened without it. Does he think that you can have the NO mass as the ‘ordinary’, and not expect the church to fall on its knees?
I agree.The fruits are obvious.
The world needs the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
The horrible effects of the council are obvious to those who can see.
Padre Pio greatly emphasized how powerful and good the Mass is!!!
I will take his word for it!!!
CMTV’s attacks on the SSPX are demonic. This is evil we are dealing with. If we use the rules for discerning spirits Father Paul Nicholson would be given an exorcism. What happened when Father Gruner died should make this clear as clear can be. Voris is hissing like Satan at the SSPX. Voris may also have a demonic problem.
Father Phil Wolfe FSSP has acted in a demonic manner towards Catholics in the SSPX & others. Bishop Morlino (who does ordinations for the FSSP and supports opus dei) has also been acting in a demonic manner towards the SSPX. The authorities have been running Good cop Bad cop on the SSPX. The SSPX is under attack from within and from without. BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE DOCTRINE.
This is all about doctrine. The reason the devil has confused churchmen and laymen hissing at the SSPX is because of the doctrine. For those just don’t understand why Voris is doing this please read the books of Archbishop lefebvre. Please look into the SSPX and understand why they fight for the doctrine. They say the new mass is evil for a reason. Look into why. Turn this attack of the devil around on him. Ave maria!
On his website, Michael Voris frequently criticizes bad ordinaries (except for the sacred cow at the top). In contrast, no criticism of any ordinaries appears on the Opus Dei website. Instead of stories of sensational hypocrisy so common among Catholics in public life, Opus Dei focuses on finding God in the ordinary things of daily life.
How is it you claim CMTV is an Opus Dei operation? Does Michael Voris work for Opus Dei? What proof do you have?
The attacks on the faith are out of control and made even more odious by claiming to be in communion.
I answer that a picnic cannot save…only the meritorious Sacrifice Of Christ can save.The Mass of the Ages is unassailable.The current picnic of fail is not sufficient.
Voris is wrong.
Actually the discernment is pretty easy.On one hand we have the Mass of the Ages.On the other hand a banal fabrication sketched on a napkin in a trattoria in Rome.
But yes it is demonic.The enemies hand is easy to see here.
On the upside ignoring voris is a totally guilt free and dissonance free exercise in avoiding sin/scandal.
Dealing with the persecution of the faithful in the SSPX and other orders is much harder.
We must pray and fast for them.
They need our prayers and penances.
I notice that you have a big problem with the FSSP. If you would, id like to know what has led you to have the contempt for them that you do.
The SSPX position on R & R is don’t listen to it…
… or did you mean Rest & Rec… they’re too busy hearing confessions for that…
… or did you mean…
I am still learning and have no fix position on Sedevacantist. I think for now my opinion is identical to Fr. William Jenkins. It is very interesting that often when I debate neo Catholics they quote Sedevacantist’s sites to support their support of Pope Francis. So it seems to me liberal Catholics and Sedevacantist hold the same position, the Pope is always right so 1) for liberals Pope Francis is right 2) for Sedevacantist he is not the Pope because he is a heretic.
I think they are good people and I attend many of their Mass. I think the problem is they just don’t criticize Vatican II. I guess if they do they would be treated like SSPX by Rome.
“I understand that certain stances have to be taken but I also think that a good and sincere Catholic soul will always be moved in the right direction and that not everyone will cross the finish line at the same time.”
Finish line? I am still trying to discern the starting line…
A Russian Orthodox perspective:
“Until a man’s earthly life finishes its course, up to the very departure of the soul from the body, the struggle between sin and righteousness continues within him. However, high a spiritual and moral state one might achieve, a gradual or even headlong and deep fall into the abyss of sin is always possible. Therefore, communion of the holy Body and Blood of Christ, which strengthens our contact with Him and refreshes us with the living streams of the grace of the Holy Spirit flowing through the Body of the Church, is necessary for everyone.”
St John the Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco
Either you’ve been paying no attention to previous combox comments regarding the opus dei-CMTV connection (by myself and other commenters as well) or you’re being flat out disingenuous.
Look – I have close family members who are associated/are members of opus dei, and I know very well their modus operandi and mentality/way of thinking (including their utterly uncatholic coercive measures to recruit people into their ranks). And, “oh, but those are abuses/exceptions” won’t cut it friend. This is exactly the same experience of 1000’s of catholics worldwide.
“Follow the money trail.”
One doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to connect the dots.
I don’t go so far as saying that Fr Nicholson would need an exorcism etc, but I agree with your previous comments regarding opus dei.
I think opus dei can be viewed as the right flank of the conciliar church, whilst the Jesuits would be its left flank.
“[a] headlong and deep fall into the abyss of sin is always possible.”
Is that a subtle reference to the new Voris “Party Line” regarding the SSPX, the new mass etc…? 😉
The above was meant as a reply to E.M.’s comment.
Thanks, Peter. The article I quoted discussed the law as it subsisted shortly before the promulgation of the 1917 Code. These statements appear to be consistent with the author’s analysis.
If anything I have learned over the Years, that in addition to the Tridentine Latin Mass, I also have crossed over into the Byzantine Rite. I do, occassionally head to the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom(Bishop, Confessor, Doctor of The Catholic Church & Patron Saint of Preachers, with Feast Days on the Two Calendars of The Roman/Latin Rite), where the Sacrifice is Presented. The Priest Faces East. The Cantor & Lector, often the same person, also faces East. The Cantor and Lector read & chant the Epistle, Gradual, & Alleluia from The NAVE, NOT The Sanctuary.
I know a few Ukrainian Greek Catholics & they do the Crossover and head to the Tridentine Latin Mass, while Younger Traditional Catholics do make the Crossover to the Byzantine Rite.
And Mr Voris is confused for he confuses the SSPX with the SSPV. The SSPV are Sedevacantists and Schismatic, while the SSPX are NEITHER.
I do not have contempt for the members of the FSSP or the laymen who attend their masses. I hate the doctrinal compromise that made with modernist Rome in 1988 and in 2000. My problem with them is doctrinal. The issue is a matter of doctrine,principles and the new mass.
In short the FSSP is part of the novus ordo. In my judgement the FSSP is the most dangerous group confusing Catholics today. Clearly they mean well but they are a hybrid of trad and Vatican II. Catholics should avoid the new mass and the FSSP masses for doctrinal reasons.
The FSSP sends mixed messages to the authorities and the faithful. I spent 6 years with the FSSP. I have seen the damage they are doing to families and to Tradition. The FSSP is bad news. I say they are the most dangerous group confusing Catholics today because it is very hard to see their error on doctrine,principles and the new mass. This is because they look like Traditionalist but they are part of new church. Look past the smells and bells and look at the doctrine. They are wolves.
Take note: Voris often uses and quotes FSSP Priests & Bishops who support the FSSP in his attacks on the SSPX. This is all bout doctrine. This link may help you better understand the matter:
You assert that CMTV and Michael Voris somehow operate under the auspices or control of Opus Dei, although you provide no proof that Michael Voris belongs to Opus Dei. In fact, I recall a Vortex episode extolling Opus Dei, where I believe he explicitly stated he is not a member. Just because he likes Opus Dei doesn’t mean he’s an agent carrying out their commands. It’s my personal observation the purpose and content of his web site bear little resemblance to what’s on Opus Dei’s website. Your unsubstantiated assertions that CMTV is some sort of organ of Opus Dei don’t ring true. It doesn’t explain anything and comes across as detraction, if not calumny.
In Hoc Signo Vinces,
So hissing at the casket of a dead cleric on the night of his death is not a sign of the demonic? Father Gruner stood up for Our Lady more than any churchmen in our age bar none. Fr Nicholson needs help.
Fr Nicholson and the whole lot of these agents of Satan need to see an exorcist. I am not being cute they are obsessing on this topic. Before Christine Niles took her job at CMTV she would spend 8 to 12 hours a day on facebook obsessing on attacking the SSPX. Sorry this is evil.
I agree with you about opus dei & the Jesuits. They form the Masonic Marxist hammer of the Zionists (the synagogue of Satan) The SSPX is taking fire from all angles.
I once had a holy Priest tell me “you know you are over the target when they are attacking you” This is all about the doctrine the devil knows the doctrine will restore order once it gets back into the minds of Catholics. The SSPX has the doctrine right this is why the devil has his agents attack.
Do you have the option of a SSPX mass?
Actually, sedes are not schismatic. They do not refuse complete submission to he whom they acknowledge as Pope, whilst the SSPX do.
The “recognize-but-resist” position of the SSPX affords no possible solution to our current situation, even in principle. The final ecclesiastical authority, the Pope, is eschewed by them at will, according to their own selection of what constitutes Catholic Faith and Sacred Tradition. They neutralize and castrate the Pope, making him subject to themselves, rather than they being subject to the Pope.
The Pope “is judged by no one”, (Canon 1556). This does not mean that one cannot discern that a particular person’s claim to the papacy is false, but rather that any judgment made by the Pope is final and admits of no appeal, revision, disagreement, or “loyal opposition.” That’s how submission and obedience work in the Catholic Church. Otherwise, chaos reigns and the Vicar of Christ is deprived of the power to settle disputes and rein in wayward sheep. He can no longer be what he was constituted by Christ to be – the principle of unity in the Church (cf. Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum, par. 13). In short, the sheepfold cannot be kept as one, unless the shepherd has authority over the sheep and this authority may not be diminished, neutralized, minimized, or usurped by the sheep (cf. Jn 10:16). It’s really not that complicated, once you know how to think about it and simply apply established Catholic doctrine.
It is possible that anybody may fall into heresy.
It is possible that a heretic usurp the Papal Throne, (hence Pope Paul IV’s Bull Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio, promulgated to prevent a protestant becoming Pope.)
It is possible that a validly-elected Pope may become a heretic — thereby forfeiting his pontificate. These scenarios are possible.
However, it is not possible that a Pope lose the Faith and remain Pope – a non-Catholic Pope, a Pope deprived of authority to whom submission may not be permitted, a Pope who could teach error. The Holy Ghost will not permit it!
It is not possible that the Church should cease to be true to her Founder, Our Lord, Jesus Christ!
It is not possible that the spotless Bride of Christ be turned into the Whore of Babylon!
It is not possible that the true Church teach error!
It is not possible that the Church which Our Lord instituted as our necessary means of salvation should become the means of our damnation!
These things are not possible!
So, we sedevacantists choose the possible over the impossible, the irreconcilable and the antithetical.
Our position is possible; the alternatives are impossible.
There are numerous phony reasons to reject sedevacantism and only one to embrace it – it is Catholic and truth. Christ is the Truth, and “the truth shall make you free” (Jn 8:32; cf. Jn 14:6).
P.S. It is not possible that the Gates of Hell, (i.e. heretics and heresy), will prevail against the Catholic Church!!!
Peter: The key word here is [prevail]. Rome is in apostasy and many of her prelates are apostates, heretics, or schismatic.
It will take an enormous “Road to Damascus” event to bring Rome back to her Traditions, Doctrines, and Dogmas. Otherwise the Consecration of Russia to Our Blessed Mother’s Heart can’t happen without a Devout Pope and Bishops in concert. I’m already 78years old, but, I expect to live long enough to see this happen.
Forget them! They are not apostate by mistake, or through ignorance. They are doing exactly what they intend to do – to destroy the Catholic Church. This is their mission! They have spent more than a century getting here and now is the finale. Our Lord is in control and we don’t know His time line, but I reckon the time for execution of Our Lady’s wish for the consecration of Russia has passed. She said not later than 1960 and it has still not been done by how many popes and it’s now 2015. She gave us the chance and we ignored it. Who knows? But I think next stop, the Damascus moment, is the Chastisement in maybe 2017 – a century after Fatima. One thing I do know is that the NO church is not the Catholic Church and those goons are not going to convert any time soon, or ever.
Don’t lose heart…for you(and all), a poem called The Mending…
There is no shattering love cannot mend,
No shards its gentle hands shall not make whole.
Healing, its glances brush like wings across
The deepest rawness of the heart, and leave
At last, at last no trace of briney woe.
What though we walked in ruins of a dream,
What though our tears had faded out the rose
And gold of what was once a splendid bond?
There is no shattering love cannot mend,
No shards its gentle hands shall not make whole.
Sweet is the love that never knew a wound,
But deeper that which died and rose again.
Mother Mary Francis
Dear Ever Mindful,
What a beautiful poem. Thank you. 🙂
A true Pope is the proximate rule of faith and visible sign of unity in the Church. Do you believe this? How does an apparently heretical papal claimant practically function as the proximate rule of faith and visible sign of unity in the Church? You can’t deny the objective facts – a papal claimant who is professing/teaching heresy from the papal seat is not any kind of rule of faith, never mind a proximate (second only to Our Lord) rule of faith. Neither is the apparently heretical papal claimant a visible sign of unity for the Church, when there is a strong possibility that he isn’t even IN the Church. How can someone outside the Church function as a unifying sign within it?
All these cute little insinuations that some like to make that the Church must have failed if the Pope is, in fact, an heretic don’t bother me in the LEAST. I take Our Lord at his word. All the Kaspers and Bergoglios in the world don’t stand a chance against Our Lord’s Church!
Lefebvre’s views are with the mind of the Church. The one and only Church founded by Christ Himself. The good Bishop always said he was only handing down what he had received—the teachings of Christ. He may not be a “canonized” saint, but I believe he is a saint—-or very close to it!
Right on Cistercian. I was born in 1961 also. What the Church taught in 61AD, 1061AD and 1961AD cannot be abrogated in 2015AD. We need to not be lazy and learn what the Church taught in order to recognize the errors of the Modernist heresy. This can easily be done today with a bit of effort from the comfort of home. Then we can return to fully praise God for healing our leprosy.
Recommend article “The Way It Used to Be” by Anne Roche 1982 and republished by the Remnant for those our age who can hardly remember what once was .
Michael F Poulin
This is true. He said several times that the ideas regarding the training and vocation of priests were not his, but those of the Church.
I reckon people gather around sites like Louie’s because in the wilderness of the GREAT APOSTASY the few who evince any sense of the Catholic Faith permitting – even encouraging – ‘truth as the priority’, are an absolute necessity. It is only with Truth as THE priority that any worth can come from anything. It doesn’t take much honest investigation to know for sure where the Catholic Church is not. Likewise the same sort of honest assesment of what the Church teaches about where she is and who represents her leaves little room for doubt. But an honest assessment of what the Church teaches is non-negotiable.
Well, tomorrow afternoon Fr. Francis Miller O.F.M. arrives at my home from America. I can go to Confession and he will say 3 Masses here before flying to Durban on Thursday to spend some time with 2 sede families there before returning to America. Just shows what lengths a real Priest will go to, to bring the Blessed Sacrament to a hand full of souls. Makes one think.
I can identify 100% with how you felt. I was an altar boy in the 50’s. I grew up in a military parish. Fr. Mac Fadden, the chaplain received an allowance from the army for altar servers of half a crown (25 cents) per Mass. I remember me and my pal getting on our bikes and racing to the church at sparrow fart on a Sunday morning so as to be the first there so we could serve – for half a crown naturally! I don’t suppose little boys will ever change. My Dad told me about Fr. Mac in the war in north Africa. His convoy stopped in the desert for cha. He dropped the tail gate of a truck to use as an altar and started saying Mass for the Catholic troops. Suddenly the column was strafed by an enemy plane and the troops scattered. Fr. Mac calmly continued with Mass and the altar candles were shot off on either side of him. He has ever since been my hero – may he R.I.P. I know I’ve told the story before, but it bears repeating. 🙂 Fr. Miller’s first visit here was my first Tridentine Mass for 46 years. I couldn’t remember everything, but when he bowed for the consecration, my hand just automatically shot out to lift the tail of his chasuble. The flood of emotion was incredible. I could not hold back the tears either. The real thing, pure and unadulterated is the real thing and every fibre of one’s being just knows it.
The Way It Used To Be: yes. We are told flat-out lies these days about what the Church in North America used to be. From what I can remember the Sunday Mass(es) used to be packed so that ushers would have to urge people to come up front if there was a seat to be squeezed into…and then there would still be men standing in back – these were the days when no ladies were left standing because the gentlemen would give up their seats.
The lie we are now supposed to swallow is that we were all sitting there completely ignorant of what was “going on” at the Altar because the priest had his back to us, and the whole thing (sic) was in Latin! Oh the boredom, oh the lack of understanding, oh the lack of participation, oh those old ladies mumbling the Rosary…oh.
Lovely story and good to hear in this darkness.
The FSSP don’t criticize the Pope? Why would they, and when would they? They are a society of parish priests. Is it being suggested that instead of using Sermon time for preaching they spend it criticizing the Pope and Bishops? Our parish priest speaks about principles that are being abused, but he never mentions the Pope or any Bishop by name.
The rest of the time the FSSP pastors are praying, visiting the sick, hearing confessions, running the men’s group, the young adults group, training the altar boys, doing what’s necessary around the rectory, and studying. The opportunities for criticism are few and far between.
And while we’re thinking about it the SSPX doesn’t spend much time criticizing the Pope either. There are some SSPX priests who do use Sermon time for this but in general the SSPX superiors make statements when there is something to say, or in periodical reports to the faithful.
Are you quoting the Russian Orthodox who are in formal schism with the Roman Catholic Church? Especially this: “…communion of the holy Body and Blood of Christ…” If they are in formal schism they are not in the Mystical Body of Christ, but outside it.
Am I missing something here?
With all the deadly sin we see going on everywhere these days, our continued efforts to pray, make sacrifices, and persevere in speaking the Truth -especially regarding sin and salvation-are more important than ever. In one of her last unrestricted interviews (with Father Fuentes) Sister Lucy pleaded for us not wait for the call to do penance to come from Rome or from our local Bishops. We can all understand why.
Eponymous Flower reported yesterday on a Swiss Bishop, Hounder, who was threatened last month [in a letter containing a bullet], after giving a lecture in which he quoted the Old Testament on the sin of sodomy, which ” calls sexual acts between people of the same sex an “abomination” and that they are to be “put to death” He had commented: “These passages quoted alone, would be enough to give the issue of homosexuality a right turn from the perspective of faith.”
The report unfortunately also says: “Subsequently, the Bishop of Chur apologized “to all people” who “felt hurt” by his remarks on the subject of abberrosexuality. His lecture on marriage, family and sexuality was at one point, “not thought out,” he told the Swiss tabloid…. He will”comment in more detail on the whole presentation, when he submits it for further review.”
Our Lady, Jacinta, Francisco, Sister Lucia, and all the Holy angels and Saints, pray for us.
“The sins that lead most souls to hell are the sins of the flesh”
Our Lady of Fatima
“2) SSPX is in schism if the pope is the pope, i.e. the Vicar of Christ on earth (and like I say when you state on the one hand that he teaches heresy ”
I wonder if St. Athanasius was in schism also? Is schism ok when the Pope (Like Liberius) is wrong on doctrines either promote or not suppress heresy?
“Do you have the option of a SSPX mass?”
I have not decided to rule out Sedevacantist yet. Also I got confused now with Bishop Williamson (I think he is right). On top of that it seems a SSPX priest I talked to support the diocese demanding the faithful to get civil divorce before going through the church process to determine if a marriage is valid not after Vatican II(I don’t know if it is related to Vatican II or just the U.S. Bishops came up with this wicked idea). Before Vatican II it is the other way around, there is no way theologically to support what they are doing now.
Oh, I totally agree with you about them….I was just wondering if something specific had happened which led you to see them in the light in which you do.
I second the answer of TWN above. Below is the prophecy of Our Lady of Good Success in Quito which is coming true today. Everyone should think about their children or grandchildren and where they are going to school and to church and whose church they are supporting. They definitely should not go to the public school with its immoral sex education, evolution, etc. The same goes for the Novus Ordo schools because some teach immoral sex education, evolution, etc. also and they are infected with the new modernism of Vatican II.
My high school in Cleveland closed a few years ago and thank God. Actually, so did the Catholic school where I went to kindergarten and also my grade school, St. Peter and Paul.
15 or so years ago my Catholic HS sent me a slick magazine and in it they mentioned their summer reading list. I went to the library and found one of the books they listed and it was about a homosexual Jesuit in outer space complete with 4 letter dirty words. I wrote the principal and the editor saying that this book was totally immoral and their school was no longer Catholic and don’t send me any more of your magazines. By then the priests that taught this school had either retired or died. All the teachers were now lay teachers. The principal was a former student. I graduated in 1964 and the 1964 yearbook had some stupid immodest cartoons in it about our students at the beach complete with cartoon girls in bikinis. This was when half the faculty were still priests. In 1963 the yearbook was still modest and sober. The modernist virus was creeping in 1964 in my Catholic HS and even in 1960. In 1960 I graduated from a Catholic grade school and the nuns had a dance for us 8th graders. St. John Vianney, the Cure d’Ars, would not of approved. This was the time of Rock and Roll and the slow dance. Not good, but what did we 8th graders know?
I just moved to Phoenix and like the tradprof, I go to Our Lady of Sorrows SSPX Church. The SSPX chapels should be the only place to go as all the other traditional masses like the Novus Ordo diocesan ones, and the FSSP support the Novus Ordo diocese. These are the same dioceses that attack the old Mass and the SSPX. These are the same dioceses that have schools that may have the immoral sex education like the public schools and this sex education is perverting the little children so that there are no children left that are innocent unless they are homeschooled or attend the SSPX traditional school like Our Lady of Sorrows Academy in Phoenix. If you are not near a SSPX chapel then move to a city where there is one. That is my recommendation As for sedevacantism, I don’t believe anyone can claim which of the last few popes from John XXIII on are popes or not and that the see of Rome is vacant.
Below is the prophecy of Our Lady of Good Success:
During the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, Our Lady of Good Success appeared in Quito, Ecuador to a Spanish nun, Mother Mariana of Jesus Torres, whose little-known but extraordinary life has a direct connection with our days.
“Unbridled passions will give way to a total corruption of customs because Satan will reign through the Masonic sects, targeting the children in particular to insure general corruption.
“Unhappy, the children of those times! Seldom will they receive the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation. As for the sacrament of Penance, they will confess only while attending Catholic schools, which the devil will do his utmost to destroy by means of persons in authority.
“The same will occur with Holy Communion. Oh, how it hurts me to tell you that there will be many and enormous public and hidden sacrileges!
“Secular education will contribute to a scarcity of priestly and religious vocations.”
“At the end of the nineteenth century and throughout a great part of the twentieth, many heresies will be propagated in these lands.…
“The small number of souls who will secretly safeguard the treasure of Faith and virtues will suffer a cruel, unspeakable, and long martyrdom. Many will descend to their graves through the violence of suffering and will be counted among the martyrs who sacrificed themselves for the country and the Church.
“To be delivered from the slavery of these heresies, those whom the merciful love of my Son has destined for this restoration will need great will-power, perseverance, courage, and confidence in God. To try the faith and trust of these just ones, there will be times when all will seem lost and paralyzed. It will then be the happy beginning of the complete restoration….
“In those times the atmosphere will be saturated with the spirit of impurity which, like a filthy sea, will engulf the streets and public places with incredible license.… Innocence will scarcely be found in children, or modesty in women.
“There shall be scarcely any virgin souls in the world. The delicate flower of virginity will seek refuge in the cloisters.…Without virginity, fire from heaven will be needed to purify these lands.…
“Sects, having permeated all social classes, will find ways of introducing themselves into the very heart of homes to corrupt the innocence of children. The children’s hearts will be dainty morsels to regale the devil.…
“Religious communities will remain to sustain the Church (the SSPX?) and work with courage for the salvation of souls.… The secular clergy will fall far short of what is expected of them because they will not pursue their sacred duty. Losing the divine compass, they will stray from the way of priestly ministry mapped out for them by God and will become devoted to money, seeking it too earnestly.
“Pray constantly, implore tirelessly, and weep bitter tears in the seclusion of your heart, beseeching the Eucharistic Heart of my most holy Son to take pity on His ministers and to end as soon as possible these unhappy times by sending to His Church the Prelate who shall restore the spirit of her priests.”
I am going to try to answer you question, but there are others here who could do it better.
The Pope is not always right in everything he says. He is a man like us and has his private opinions on all sorts of things, but when he is 1. teaching the whole Church, 2. in his capacity as Pope, 3. on matters of faith and morals – then the Holy Ghost protects him from making mistakes. This is the dogma of Papal Infallibility. A true Pope cannot teach error to the whole Church concerning faith and morals. But note – this infallibility only applies under those specified conditions. If the Pope is writing a letter to his pal down the street, he can make big mistakes just like you and me.
A Catholic must submit to the Magisterial teaching and authority of the Pope. He has his authority from Our Lord and is the temporal (on Earth) head of the Church. Only God is above him. If one refuses obedience, or submission to the Pope, even on only a single point of doctrine, then one is a schismatic and no longer a member of the Church.
Sedevacantists are not schismatic because we do not recognize any of the “popes” after Pope Pius XII as being valid, true Popes – we see them as being false popes, or anti-popes.
SSPX are schismatics because they see the conciliar popes as valid, true popes yet they refuse complete obedience and submission to them. They pick and choose when they will obey the pope and when they won’t.
The FSSP and NO are not schismatics because they obey he whom they believe to be the true Pope.
I don’t know enough about Pope Liberius and St. Athanasius to be able to help you there.
Lynda, sorry you are laid up and can’t get to Mass. You are one of those who can receive Spiritual Communion – of course you know this, but many in the hierarchy are telling adulterers that THEY can participate in this instead of receiving at the altar. God help them!
Revolution: turning things on their heads. I’ll remember you health in our family Rosary today. God Bless you.
You are clearly confused. You attend FSSP masses yet you are open Sedevacantism yet you agree with Bishop Williamson. I get it. You are not alone I know many people that are seeing matters just as you do. I think matters become clearer if one rejects sedevacantism and Vatican II modernism. This leaves a Catholic with Eastern rite Catholicism (which can be tricky) and Latin rite Catholicism aka the SSPX & the Resistance.
I have to tell you in all honesty get away from the FSSP. I hope you find God’s will. God bless you.
The FSSP is part of novus ordo. The FSSP does not follow Catholic principles and are publicly compromised Catholic doctrine to be apart of new church.
The FSSP accepts the new mass as valid, licit and efficacious. The FSSP is gone. The FSSP are not Traditionalists. Run a mile. Beware of the wolves.
Yes I did personally see things with the FSSP and had 6 years with them I have seen very bad fruit indeed and much of it. I can not publicly discuss these things because it can be a sin to discuss certain things publicly without permission of those involved. Just know the FSSP is a hard RED LIGHT for Catholics. Tell every Catholic you about the FSSP. Run a mile. Beware of the wolves.
Glad to hear you have your head screwed on strait. You are very blessed Father Kevin Robinson is a great Priest. I hope to donate to your mission soon. How are things going with the building? Is it done?
For the same reasons I need to refrain from discussing certain specifics as well regarding the FSSP. I abhor them maybe even more than you do…..I am likely the last person you need to advise to stay away from them….hopefully others heed your important warning.
I know that Our Lady of Fatima school, in Pequannock NJ….an FSSP school….taught that evolution was an acceptable belief only 2-3 years ago. Thankfully this school, as far as I know, is now defunct. Good riddance.
God bless the itenerant priest, giving up so many comforts to bring the Body and Blood where He is craved.
I’m currently listening to a seminar, taught by David Rodriguez of SVFonline.org, on the Mass. It is outstanding and I can’t recommend it enough. In it, he compared the Novus Ordo to the sacrifice of Cain, while the TLM is the sacrifice of Abel.
He says much more about the Mass, but that stood out as I read your blog post.
Dear Barbara, Thanks a million for the prayers. The blessings of God on you.
Dear Danielpan, bishops or priests advising people whose marriage has not been found to be null, to get civil divorces is evil. And if found to be null, not to exist, then a civil annulment is what is to be sought, not a divorce, which is the termination of a true marriage.
Dear Joseph Arthur,
Thank you for what you have written about Our Lady of Good Success. My friend and her husband and one of their 9 children recently went to visit Our Lady of Good Success with an FSSP priest.
Since you seem to have good knowledge of the story, you probably also know that Our Lady of Good Success told Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres that there would be (until the end of time) in that convent in Quito, Ecuador, under Our Lady’s watchful eye (as She is Abbess of that community until the end of time) a “saint,” who is one of the nuns in that community. So even at this moment there is a nun there who is suffering as a expiratory victim for the sins of the world. Our Lady promised this in Her messages in the 1600’s.
What is most surprising and curious to me is that the nuns in that convent have only the daily Novus Ordo Mass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could you believe that?! There is a nun who remains unknown to the world (but known, of course, to Our Lady and Her Son) who is a saint (by Our Lady’s own words) and is daily attending the NO mass!!! The nuns in that convent only have access to the TLM only if a priest visits them and offers it and only if it fits their schedule.
That is difficult for me to understand, and it surprised me tremendously!
Dr. Marian Horvat confirms this fact in her answer to a reader on this link.
Scroll down to where the heading says “Info on the Latin Mass in Ecuador.”
I am trying to figure how this all fits in.
Why is it that Mr. Verrecchio, Mr. Matt, and Mr. Ferrara always throw in the caveat that “well, I/we don’t attend any SSPX Masses, nor are we affiliated with them? Yet, in spite of that the aforementioned writers will defend the Society’s positions. It appears as though these men are hedging their bets. Either you will fully support them by attending their Masses occasionally and demonstrate, REALLY, that you find no problem with them. Or, just simply stop play mind-games and quit talking about them period. The SSPX doesn’t need any Janus defenders of their positions.
Gwaredd Thomas –
I’m happy to assume that your question isn’t rhetorical and provide an answer (for myself, of course, but one that presumably applies to the aforementioned others).
I think I made it clear enough above that I make mention of this fact (my lack of affiliation with the Society) to preempt any suggestion that I have some personal fish to fry in this discussion beyond seeking, finding and spreading the truth.
I make no bones about the fact that I have attended many Society Masses over the years (at conferences since unfortunately there is no SSPX chapel near my home) and I’m looking forward to attending more in the next few months (at the Angelus Press Conference in Oct. and at an SSPX event in Portland where I will be speaking in Nov.)
I hope that helps clarify matters for you.
Dear Mr. Verrecchio,
Thank you for taking the time out of you busy schedule to respond to my comments. Since I’m rather new to this forum and after having watched many of your videos I was rather surprised to hear you make that statement regarding the SSPX. Fortunately, I stand corrected. I can see your point. Having said that, I did get he impression from your comment and those of Mr. Matt, who makes these “clarifications” quite often, that one could be left to believe that if the SSPX goes south Traditional writers can disavow any connection with them, thus the hedging of bets comment.
Again, I am grateful for your forthrightness and am please to say I was wrong.
Dduw bendithia chi!
On CMTV, Ryan, one of The Youngsters, reported on the Death of Fr Nicholas Nightingale Gruner as “The Suspended Priest.”
The Influence of Fr Nicholson, whose ORDINARY at the RC Diocese of London, ON, had ordered Fr Nicholson to sever ties with Michael Voris, is the Bad Influence here. Fr Nicholson is tied to Opus Dei, which is Left & Not Right, is present here.
Fr Nicholson, like Michael Voris, is into HIMSELF. These Two are “Birds of A Feather.”