Presentation given at the 2013 Catholic Family News Conference. John Courtney Murray: Broker of the Post-Conciliar Apostolic Cease Fire Run time is about 45 minutes with a 15 minute talk by Fr. Nicholas Gruner (from one of his Fatima Conferences) following.
Post-Conciliar Apostolic Cease Fire
February 1, 2014
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Great, Louie! I also listened to your interview on this topic with Voice of Catholic Tradition (www.voiceofcatholicradio.com). It is on this website’s 2013 archive. Recommended!
Me too, dear Catholic Militant and Mr. V. !
I also thought this and the talk on Voice of Catholic Tradition were succinct and compelling. Thank you Mr. V,
Louie,
I confess that I have not watched many of your videos. This one is outstanding, and you’re a wonderful proponent of Catholic Truth. You build your arguments systematically, block by block, so that even I could follow each one. By the end, you’ve constructed a house for the mind to inhabit. Outstanding! I have to listen to more of your talks…
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Murray is a relativist and his concept of public peace (in opposition to Pope Leo XIII’s common good) is completely devoid of charity; it confirms men in their errors. Thank you for explaining this. Keep up the good work!
Ven. Anna-Katrina Emmerick prophesied about a True Pope and a False (Anti) Pope
53.1 (Ven. Anna-Katrina Emmerick): “I saw also the relationship between the two popes. . . I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness…”
53.2 “Once more I saw that the Church of Peter was undermined by a plan evolved by the secret sect, while storms were damaging it.”
Comment: Many prophecies predict an anti-pope and a schism.
53.3 “I saw a strange church being built against every rule. . . No angels were supervising the building operations. In that church, nothing came from high above. . . There was only division and chaos. It is probably a church of human creation, following the latest fashion, as well as the new heterodox church of Rome, which seems of the same kind…”
53.4 “I saw again the strange big church that was being built there (in Rome). There was nothing holy in it. I saw this just as I saw a movement led by Ecclesiastics to which contributed angels, saints and other Christians. But there (in the strange big church) all the work was being done mechanically (i.e., according to set rules and formulae). Everything was being done, according to human reason…”
53.5 “I saw all sorts of people, things, doctrines, and opinions. There was something proud, presumptuous, and violent about it, and they seemed to be very successful. I did not see a single Angel nor a single saint helping in the work. But far away in the background, I saw the seat of a cruel people armed with spears, and I saw a laughing figure which said: ‘Do build it as solid as you can; we will put it to the ground.'”
Comment: Two different churches seem to be indicated in this passage. First, a puppet church set up by the Communists, and a “strange church” comprising “all sorts of people and doctrines” (perhaps in the name of Ecumenism), which will follow modern trends. This church is “unholy and humanistic,” but it is not Communist inspired, otherwise the Communists would not want to pull it to the ground. This church is either the true Catholic Church after it has bee completely subverted from within, or it is a new church claiming to be the true Catholic Church, if two popes are elected at the same time. Some prophecies seem to warrant the inference that the true Catholic Church will disappear completely for a while as an organization, but, although disorganized, it will survive in the persons of the faithful members of the clergy and laity who will go underground.
53.21 “Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering.”
53.23 “Then, I saw that everything that pertained to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upper hand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction.”
Pius IX: “There will be a great prodigy which will fill the world with awe. But this prodigy will be preceded by the triumph of a revolution during which the Church will go through ordeals that are beyond description.
May God Bless All Soldiers of Christ!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Lots of great quotes in this talk, God bless your apostolate, Louie.
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‘rights and duties always go together’.
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‘this (The Catholic Church) is the Universal sacrament of salvation’
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‘supernatural peace V natural peace’.
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Halina on Ven. Anna-Katrina Emmerick’s description of the bishops;“Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering.”
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This is the spiritual state of our leaders – ‘Their faults towards religion were shown by…dark clouds of fog.’
Another one for the “brick by brick” file and a big W: Priest discovers the TLM, via the Father Z blog:
http://www.shawnthebaptist.org/2014/01/an-extraordinary-day/
Deo Gratias.
And this. “Volksalter” removed in Italian church, NO OBJECTIONS 🙂 Story on the EP blog here:
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/02/pastor-removes-volksaltar-from-his.html
Can the Germanosphere be far behind?
And there’s more from Fr. Z. A twofer:
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/02/novus-ordo-priest-learns-the-tlm-holiness-ensues/.
TLM sighting in Texas this time.
Saluto my brother in Christ, it is only a question of time until a TLM comes to a parish near you. 🙂
Could also think about being proactive? 😉
Hi Louie,
Good talk. At around the 24 minute mark, however, you say you are quoting Leo XIII but in fact you are quoting Leo X’s Vehementer Nos.
One for the “with friends like this…” category. Link here:
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/02/she-wanted-to-convert-but-she-listened.html.
If this was Ratzinger’s advise, you just got to wonder what Bergoglio would have said. 🙁
Over at USC, newly translated “original schemas” from VII. These are the ones that the modernists trashed, and produced their own. Rest of the story is at the following link:
http://unamsanctamcatholicam.com/history/historia-ecclesiae/79-history/421-original-vatican-ii-schemas.html
Finally after 50 years, we are starting to see the evidence from the “scene of the VII crime”. Like they say, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Quote from above USC link:
“When the Council got underway, the progressive Council Fathers saw the schemas of Ottaviani as an obstacle to their program of reform. Cardinal Bea, one of the more influential Cardinals and a favorite of Pope John XXIII, explained to his progressive colleagues:
“We must help the Holy Father achieve his goals for the Council, the ones he expresses in his radio messages and in his exhortations. These are not the same as those of the schemas, either because the Theological Commission, which directs them, is closed to the world and to ideas of peace, justice, and unity, or because of the division of the work and a lack of co-ordination. They’ve made room for everything except the Holy Spirit.” [2]
Thus, these schemas, which were ‘closed to the world’, were replaced with what we currently have, and the defects of which we are all well aware. As they were never adopted, these schemas have no authority; but in reading them, one cannot help but contemplating the council that might have been.”
No comment is necessary.
S.Armaticus,’scuse my misdirecting ‘o’ on Saluto (I was going for a second person singular imperative blessing when I was deciding on the ‘handle’; that said, ‘saluto’, your sister in Christ – is willing to believe that indeed “a TLM will come to a parish near us all. I also know that those who sow may not necessarily reap, so as not to give up anyway.
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I could also think about being more proactive. I’ve gotten a bit jaded on that score. My corporal activities in that area sort of hit the fan when Fr. said no one was allowed to receive communion on the tongue – that was just plain icky; and then went on to explain his personal ailments; as for kneeling – well, that offended against local culture and local culture is often weighted with the indigenous peoples card – though about as indigenousness as my parish gets is Irish settlers from 150 years. I have been something of an offense in my new parish on account of my draconian dismay at women in the sanctuary, refusing to do the myriad ‘readings’ and prayers of the Faithful (what is the Mass?) because I believe that young men should be encouraged in these things in order to hear God calling them to the vocation of Priesthood. If Mum, Sis, and Granma are up there as ministers and reading, how could a young man think God needed him for something unique to his state in life?; and also, the teaching of unsuspecting little girls to serve at altar while at the same time, ‘no, darlin’ you won’t grow up and be a priest, we’re just totally screwing up your understanding of yourself as God made you, but nevermind, dear, you’ll get over it.’ I think priests and adults who encourage altar girls are basically lying to kids.
p.s. I was unfortunate enough to suffer through feminist swill whilst getting my degree (don’t hold it against me). I can state unequivocably that whatever wave of feminism we are in is illogical, a-historical, anti-christ, and something cooked up in the mind of moloch while he was exiled to the peripheries all these centuries.
That said i have complained to my bishop and others in the diocesan office about how unCatholic it all is. No reply. No one cares. But then our Bishop sits in the presidents chair and points at me – the only one at mass that day, to do the readings: we’d never met each other before – the GIRM says the priest is still the preferred reader; then he says, this is Jesus, when he raises the host?!
p.s. I have also declined to be a part of the liturgy of the word with communion run by uninhabited nuns of a Sunday. Yes, people, this is the state of NOwhereland.
Thank you, Georges. That was one of just several places where I misspoke in one way or another. Vehementer Nos was given by Pope St. Pius X.