By now, most readers have begun digesting the Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report that provides details concerning “301 predator priests” who abused minors over the course of many years, as well as outing the bishops and others that covered for them.
The horror of it all goes without say. Every decent human being finds the activities of these men utterly disgusting. That’s a given. Likewise, does every decent human being’s heart break for the victims of this abuse, and the terrible impact it has had on their lives and the lives of their loved ones.
For so-called “traditionalists” (aka Catholics), who know what the Church is and what her churchmen are called to be, the disgust runs all the deeper and provides a perspective that others (e.g., neo-conservatives, progressives, non-Catholics, etc.) likely do not have and, at times, may even find offensive.
On that note, having watched the Pennsylvania Attorney General’s press conference that introduced the Grand Jury Report to the media on Tuesday, here I will offer some initial observations, unpopular though they may be.
As I’ve written in this space before, the root problem before us concerns not just “predator priests,” but the abandonment of tradition at Vatican II when the “windows of the Church” were opened to the world – or more accurately stated, that disastrous event whereby our churchmen, including the popes that presided over and implemented the Council, chose to get in bed with the world rather than attempting to convert it to Christ.
And now what have we to show for it?
The Catholic Church – or at least what the wider world believes to be the Catholic Church (more on that momentarily) – finds itself standing trial before the State.
The Prosecutor in this case? A Democrat Party rising star, Josh Shapiro – a staunch defender of a woman’s “right” to slaughter her offspring in utero and a vocal advocate of homo-deviant “marriage;” in other words, an enemy of Jesus Christ and His Holy Catholic Church.
Do the collared creeps that molested so many victims and their protectors – men who are also to be numbered among the enemies of Christ – deserve to be pilloried by such a one? Hell yes, and so much worse. This is what they and the organization they represent get for dethroning, as it were, Christ the King.
The Holy Catholic Church, which is not to be confused with what Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre called the conciliar church and the counterfeit church, by contrast, deserves no such thing.
(Readers will do well to read Bishop Tissier de Mallerais’ article on this topic.)
In his press conference of August 14, Attorney General Shapiro repeatedly made reference to the diabolical behavior of the molesters and the “Church leaders” who covered for them. On numerous occasions, he said that these men “chose their institution over the safety of the children.”
Even though it is more the case that they prioritized their own careers, this statement is true enough; provided, however, that one understands that “their institution” is not the Catholic Church.
While it is far too much for us to expect Shapiro (a Jew) to acknowledge a distinction that most Catholics are either too weak or too stupid to make for themselves, it bears noting the degree to which his comments lead one to believe otherwise.
For instance, he spoke of “the lengths to which the Catholic Church would go to cover [the abuse] up.” He claimed that “the Church showed complete disdain for the victims,” and he assured them that “unlike the Catholic Church and some in law enforcement, we hear you.”
Not all that the Attorney General did that day was done in innocence, however.
In the early stages of his forty-plus minute presentation, Shapiro urged his audience to read the actual Grand Jury Report, which runs over 1,300 pages.
On Page 4, we are told, “Most of the victims were boys; but there were girls too.”
While I’ve not taken the time to scour the entire text, one can be fairly confident that the relative number of male victims in this case is very close to the figure published in the 2004 John Jay Report that was commissioned by the USCCB – 81%; i.e., over four times as many male victims as female.
[NOTE: Given that the John Jay researchers were clearly at pains to deny the role played by homo-deviance, this figure may very well be unreliable on the low side.]
Throughout the press conference, Shapiro chose not only to speak often of cases involving the abuse of “boys and girls” or of “children” generically; he also made it a point to intersperse references to cases of abuse involving female victims.
By my count, for every two cases involving male victims, he cited another involving females; as if to give the impression that just two-thirds of the victims (or roughly 16% over half) were abused at the hands of homo-deviants. And of all the cases of abuse that were specifically mentioned by Shapiro, the one that received the most airtime concerned the case of a priest who molested five girls from the same family.
Was Shapiro’s presentation skewed in this manner with the deliberate intent of downplaying the undeniable role of homo-deviance in this scandal, or was it done just to make for “good theater” in an attempt to keep the audience engaged?
You tell me.
Speaking of theater: Shapiro pointed out that “several dozen survivors are here with us today,” some of whom were seated on the dais behind him. Now, take a good look at the screenshot at the top of this post.
What do we see? Fourteen female “survivors” of abuse at the hands of predator priests, and just three males.
As the antics of Jorge Bergoglio and his PR team have amply demonstrated over the last five years, the power of imagery is not lost on the enemies of Christ and His Church.
In conclusion:
Those who do not appreciate the root cause of the Pennsylvania “predator priest” and related scandals – namely, the uncrowning of Christ and the abandonment of tradition, as well as the Church’s authentic identity and mission, at Vatican II – are destined to be flummoxed and may even lose their faith, such as it may be.
So-called “traditionalists” (aka Catholics) on the other hand, although pleased to see the perpetrators of abuse called to account by the civil authorities, will be keenly aware of the dynamics at play as the godless representatives of the Christ-the-Kingless State go about playing the role of knights in shining armor.
In fairness Louie, knowing victims myself, males are loathe to come forward much less sit in front of a television camera as a victim of sodomy. I was informed by two Catholic lawyer ,one a Traditionalist , that 90% of abused males will NOT report.
Yesterday the mother of two little male victims who are now in their fifties told me when she read her oldest son’r testimony in the report before the Grand Jury, she was sad he did not tell everything that was done to him. He was twelve when his abuse occurred. She also realized that these events colored his life and his failed relationships with women.
Okay , so maybe Shapiro is a Jew and holds animosity for Catholicism , I believe he is still being used by God as tool to punish a Faithless clergy that is Catholic in name ONLY.
More ROSARIES prayed in Faith and Reparation are needed before any miraculous cleansing will be accomplished.
Spot on, Louie. The wider culture has enshrined sodomy. There are not enough truly virtuous civilians to bring down the ape church (as Father Linus Clovis calls it). They will continue to occupy the parishes, Cathedrals, etc. The faithful Church may eventually go underground at the hands of ape church catholics.
This provides the perfidious likes of (((Josh Shapiro))) another perfect opportunity to attack what they think is the Catholic Church. These (((deicidal maniacs))) will never stop, cursed as they are (1 Thess. 2).
+Williamson speaks of (((their))) rabid opposition here:
The Fundamental Opposition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNcge-ne08Q
“Ape church.” I like that. As liberalism is a diabolical aping of Christianity (Christianity without Christ and thus a grotesque distortion), so is the “church” of the Judas Council a diabolical aping of the real Church and is thus a nonstop parade of the grotesque.
So now the Pope is the head of two churches-the Catholic Church (with a capital C) and the conciliar church????
In other words, he has two heads working in opposition with each the enemy of the other.
I have never heard of anything so bizarre. Where is this idea found in any Church document?
As taught by the Holy Ghost through St. Paul at Romans 1:32, both sodomites AND their supporters are worthy of death. No wonder Francis has changed the Judas Council Catechism on capital punishment. Just think of how many heads would, in a just order, otherwise roll within the Conciliar Structure.
I imagine the “Church” is very happy that the authority they deny Christ was given to the State in this situation. 🙂
It seems so. This schizophrenia is consistent with the diabolical infusion, as the devil is both one and many (“I am legion”).
You need to get out more.
Yes the ape church co-occupies the physical, liturgical and juridical space of the True Church. Father Linus Clovis presented this concept and Ann Barnhardt has run with it.
I don’t think that God is using Shapiro as a tool at all, I think the conciliar cult is. Sweep, you are well aware of why all these sodomites were placed in the seminaries. Yes, they were the only communists that were willing to foresake a family but I think it was much more than that. They planted the virus of sodomy bc their depraved behavior when made manifest to the faithful would scandalize them, would “tempt them to turn their backs on God.” We just heard one of these guys say this. The depraved behavior was fun for them but at some point it had to be made manifest because they weren’t doing this just for the fun of it. Shapiro is doing his job as an enemy of Christ, he’s NOT doing God’s work. This conciliar cult is what is visible to normal everyone as the Catholic Church and now the teaching is inconsistent and rather sentimental liberal stuff that one can get from Oprah and Oprah is not a known raper of baby boys. Never hear about Oprah desecrating the Holy Eucharist even. How could God have let this happen that the Church would be formless, leaderless, Pope-less, I dare say invisible? How can anybody look at what has been happening and conclude, oh this is not Catholic, it’s conciliar. It’s just not evident, it isn’t what we learned. We learned that if we stayed in unity with the Pope that we believed the truth. I don’t understand how God could expect us to navigate this, to identify a fake church when that isn’t supposed to be able to happen. I’ve figured that there was some giant conspiracy, a fraud that secretly deprived us of a Pope but put in his place an imposter but WHY would God allow this? It’s such an outrageously unlikely and difficult obstacle and seems so terribly tricky and unfair. If there was to be no Pope for us in end times, fine, but couldn’t his demise be visible, like exhile or martyrdom? None of this makes sense to me. Please don’t tell me to take a deep breath, I AM calm.
Melanie ,
God allows for the correction of the origin of all sin which is rooted in pride.
It is also the position of the Great Leader of the Toiling Masses, the downtrodden Peasant and Factory Worker.
sweep-I agree that men who suffered this abuse as young boys would be more hesitant to come forward than the women. Perhaps it is because men preying on boys is totally disordered and therefore more shameful. It’s only a guess on my part. I don’t know much about Mr. Shapiro, but if exposing this disgust makes him a hero than so be it. I’m so disheartened by this horror that I can’t absorb the enormity of it. However, it only confirms that what the world sees as the catholic church is no longer an instrument of the CATHOLIC FAITH. Therefore, it is totally useless.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-11
3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. 5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,
10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.”
Do these Scripture verses describe the Vatican II revolt and the taking away of the pope (ie. period of Sedevacante)?
Yes my 2 Cents, I have been literally very sick and I knew what was coming ! Still it hurts really bad not only for the poor victims and their families but for the Church at large .
That smug face on the effeminate so called Cardinal in DC who refuses to budge reminds me of the pride of false Princes whom Jesus never told his Apostles they should be.
Katherine , they use the state which steps up to the plate to deny justice to decent men in their church who report the child grooming perverts among them.
Fr John Gallagher denied justice after reporting an Indian priest in his rectory grooming a 14 yr old for sodomy by showing him homosexual pornography.
The priest was arrested and confessed stating it was “normal in his culture” . Bishop Barbarito sent a letter to be read at every mass accusing Fr Gallagher of insanity. The Sheriff of the County even wrote to the Vatican praising Fr Gallagher. Fr Gallgher won the right to sue the Bishop for slander but the Diocesan lawyers appealed claiming it was only because the priest was angry about not being promoted and the court concluded they could not interfere with the First Ammendment for freedom of a religious institution.
The same thing happened to this poor seminarian who sued Diocesan priests and St Charles Borromeo seminary because he was hounded by rabid homosexuals who are still in place. He showed the seminary brochure which stated chastity was required but the court ruled they could not interfere with
the policies of a religious institution even if they violated knowingly their own required terms.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/nj-superior-court-appellate-division/1137557.html
The Church has been getting rich through the Fed by servicing illegal immigrants in clinics and through their resettlement programs.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/?s=catholic+bishops
Now they see the State works both ways.
Shapiro’s name could be Jones for all I care! Bravo on a job well done.
No Katherine. Bergolio is head of the conciliar church since he adheres and professes the false Vatican 2 modernist religion. There is no Pope currently that I know of that professes the Catholic faith. Some guy in Kansas claims he is Pope and he does profess the Catholic Faith as revealed by the Apostles, but his election is highly doubtful. Even though he was elected, Bergolio cannot possibly be Pope since it is apparent to all readers on this blog that he does not profess the Catholic faith. He teaches a man centered humanist faith that leads to damnation. Past traditional teachings of the Church state that in order to be saved we must be in union with the Pope. No one on this blog is in union with the faith and teachings of Bergolio so either we are all damned for that reason, or Bergolio is not Pope as we are free to reject his heresies.
The majority here rightfully damn the false vatican 2 church….but the vatican 2 church was only possible thanks to the seeds that were planted decades before. Vatican 2 wasnt the start of the false church, it was simply its completion. Lots of men were asleep at the switch for the first half of the 20th century.
YES! While they were looking for more and more luxuries.
Those are understandable questions, I’m asking them, in the nature of how children can be corrupted and harmed, etc. Very reasonable. Tell me when you have an answer, but I have a feeling it all falls under the realm of, that evil exists. This is fallout, a crisis of faith, that seems inevitable given what we are experiencing.
Your point is where it gets extremely tricky for me. The longer this goes on the more unavoidable it is to ask, why, why would God expect us to comprehend which way to turn, and haven’t the gates of hell prevailed? In my worst moments I say to myself, well if this continues, one would have to reasonable conclude either there is no God or He is all in for Francismercy and everything else. That is a very bad moment, and I don’t stay there long, thank God.
Louie, I wish I could “like” your point about the obvious desire for the media and many pundits to avoid that uncomfortable (for them) topic, the fact that this is clearly a homosexual predator priest problem. I keep shouting the John Jay study wherever I can, and reminding people this is NOT pedophilia! I was dismayed at the mention of female victims, and I can’t understand at all why anyone would want to sit on a stage, presented as a victim. What a weird culture we have now! Fame of any kind is all. I am waiting for someone to crunch the numbers and come out with it, this is most definitely a homosexual priest problem and as long as we avoid that, we are never going to see one iota of “improvement” whatever that looks like.
How many Catholics have ever even heard of the word “pederasty”, and if they possibly have, know what the definition of the word is? Im guessing less than 5%.
As long as the vatican 2 faith is given credence by good people and not condemned for what it truly is, the REAL Catholic Church will continue to be ridiculed.
Its not a pedophile problem and its not a Catholic problem…its a vatican 2 problem. Homosexual PEDERASTS rule the vatican 2 church while falsely claiming to be Catholic. THAT is the problem.
Rich, Hi there. Before I comment, I’d like to apologise to you for my rudeness several threads ago. It wasn’t in any way justified and I won’t let it happen again. I’m very sorry for it.
I just wanted to say that the first signs of this homo abuse plague were seen by Fr. Gerald Fitzgerald In the late 1940s and early ’50s, before the Council. It’s my conjecture that these early cases were the first.fruits of the active placement of Communist queers into the.seminaries by Bella Dodd and her colleagues, on orders from Moscow as she later testified. Once In, they built their networks and the result is what we now see.
Modernism grew independently of this, and gave us the perfect storm of Vatican II. After the Council, the two elements coalesced into the nu-Church of today.
This is absolutely correct.
Let us always stand for truth and justice. There have been many falsely-accused priests. There have been priests accused after death or many decades later in infirmity; these priests cannot defend themselves. Everyone must be treated justly and given due process when accused of terrible crimes. Let us also pray for the innocent priests and others who have suffered false accusations, false prosecutions, or even false conviction and sentence, as in the case of Fr Gordon MacRae who has spent over 25 years in prison to date as a result of a most blatant miscarriage of justice. It is unfathomable that he has not yet had any justice from the legal system of NH or the USA (and even more so when I look at the case through the lens of a qualified lawyer). His case is a very harsh teminder of the need always to be prudent and cautious and avoid injustice where such accusations are concerned, including, or perhaps most especially where bishops implicitly find priests guilty despite no reliable evidence against them by paying out sums in settlement to the accusers. Fr MacRae’s typewritten articles from prison can be found on the website called “These Stone Walls”. Lord have mercy upon us as we suffer the dire consequences of rampant sin and apostasy in our world.
TGS, your conjecture to Rich about Dodd is correct but dodd’s orders came through four or five Communist Party Cardinals already within the Vatican. I was sent a copy of the notarized document in ’03 signed by the Leningers in Texas from a friend who also added a post it note that said .”Alice wants you to know the only Party members who would take the assignment were homosexuals.” TW apparently got a copy too.
http://www.inatoday.com/20030728.htm
I don’t think he mentions the Cardinals but it is in the document minus their identities.
Someone isolates who they possibly were here……
https://opportuneimportune.blogspot.com/2016/12/bella-dodds-four-cardinals-here-names.html
TGS, I believe the Orders from Moscow were initiated against the Catholic Church during Andropov’s time as head of the KGB.
https://www.macon.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article157704774.html
You could say they are still doing this .Only this time they are getting top dollar for the properties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEftJc31ZB4
I am not aware of any statement from the new leadership of the SSPX regarding this horrendous scandal which has been exposed in PA. Remaining silent is equivalent to hiding under a rock. I hope this is not the case. Does anyone know if anything has been said. I certainly hope so.
Correction above not Andropov , Stalin.
Inside baseball: This comment is in no way intended to defend or to minimize the horror associated any crimes actually committed in Pennsylvania. Remember, a Grand Jury deals with CRIMINAL ACCUSATIONS and INDICTMENTS, not CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS. A Grand Jury may be used as a preliminary proceeding to a criminal trial to determine whether, and for what crimes, a person should be indicted. The Grand Jury is not presided over by a judge, but by a prosecutor and evidence may be considered that would not be admissible at trial. Repeating, the ACCUSATIONS in the Grand Jury Report are not CONVICTIONS. Those accused in the Grand Jury Report are still presumed innocent until found guilty at trial.
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Further, many of these ACCUSATIONS date from many decades ago, and if they indeed occurred, they would seem to be moot either because the accused may be deceased, or because the statute of limitations may have run. This possibility caused me to wonder why a Grand Jury was convened AT ALL, because in the past in other states many of these situations were not handled as criminal matters, but as civil matters where the alleged victims sought monetary damages.
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I also wondered about whether any of these ACCUSATIONS were fresh and actionable, because the Church has put into place safeguards to protect the young
from predator clergy.
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In order to answer some of these questions, I did on line research and found this article:
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http://www.post-gazette.com/news/faith-religion/2018/06/12/Massive-Minnesota-settlement-Catholic-sex-abuse-statute-of-limitations-grand-jury-dioceses/stories/201806120083
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So what answers does this article provide? There is a dispute in Pennsylvania about the CIVIL STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS applicable to these cases. Apparently, Pennsylvania’s current statute of limitations prevents many of these cases from being brought as CIVIL SUITS seeking MONETARY DAMAGES. So what happened? The non-catholic Attorney General who works for a non-catholic governor (they are non-catholic in the same way) did the plaintiff’s bar (attorneys who bring civil suits against deep pockets, i.e., ambulance chasers) a favor by convening a grand jury to investigate and to publish admittedly scurrilous allegations not so that the accused could be tried and convicted of a CRIME, but so that the Church could be sued for MONETARY DAMAGES. The plaintiff’s bar is lobbying for an exception to the statute of limitations – a so-called “window” – so that the cases that cannot be brought due to the statute of limitations currently can be brought during the “window”. In other words with all due respect to any victims the Grand Jury Report has nothing to with the crimes involved, but is a POLITICAL STUNT performed by a politically motivated AG who is trying to pressure the Legislature of Pennsylvania to change the law so that civil suits for MONETARY DAMAGES may be brought.
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I am all for CRIMINALLY PUNISHING THE WICKED, but I am definitely against robbing the laity of the patrimony they have provided the Church through CIVIL SUITS FOR MONETARY DAMAGES.
I don’t know if any of you have ever listened to the many offerings of WCBOHIO – which is an online teaching ministry of the Society of St. Pius V. The Society of St. Pius V is made up of priests, who left the Society of St. Pius X as it started to become liberal leaning. One of the priests of the Society of St. Pius V, Fr. William Jenkins, has just posted a very helpful video on this whole mess, which we are enduring — much of what Louie has written is supported and expanded by Fr. Jenkins’ teaching. I was very helped by Fr. Jenkins words tonight – as I was struggling with all of this as we all are — I’ll put the link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rAdELDBkeI
May it be a help to all who view it!
P.S. The video last a little over an hour — about half-way through, a bell rings, and an address pops up for those wanting to send a donation. Hold on — this is only the half-way point — the video keeps going — watch it to the end — it really is a blessing!
SC,
I disagree. First of all the Diocese has insurance for sexual abuse cases now. Secondly, any damages are divided up between the victims. If you look at the final settlements in Camden Diocese the amounts were
not large at all in fact ,many were under one thousand dollars.
Settlements with mandatory secrecy clauses are much larger and are settled one on one when a victim hires their own attorney. The secrecy is what needs to stop. Victims should go directly to law enforcement and hire their own attorney immediately.
Accusations deemed credible were paid out by the Bishops and the perps were transferred to other parishes or schools and even children’s homes where they could prey on more victims.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-priests-hid-sex-abuse-for-decades-attorney-general-says-grand-jury-report-press-conference-2018-08-14/
Only six years ago I sat right behind Fr Conner an infamous Pittsburgh and Camden Diocese sodomite bounced back and forth. by the bishops. He was retired from Ministry but still wears his black clerical garb and cross minus the white collar. He was on his way to his shore home with a young man who obviously had some mental disability and he laughingly discussed church sales and closings. When he started to bemoan the fate of Bill Cosby because ,”police get too fired up about what they call sex crimes “, I thought I would jump on him with my hands around his neck or start flinging pieces of sharp flatware at him. Fortunately my daughter quickly alerted the waitress to wrap our unfinished lunch because we had to leave right away.
I resent Catholic pew sitters donations going to support perverts in their mandatory or otherwise retirements.
Rep Mark Rozzi who was himself abused as an altar server by a priest , helped to initiate the PA Grand Jury Investigation. He is not Jewish.
Your argument is shared by the half million dollar a year salaried Bishop’s lap dog Bill Donahue of the so called Catholic League.
Whatever one thinks about Cardinal Wuerl’s track record he still has a long way’s to go to reach sainthood. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2010/03_04/2010_04_04_Pancevski_JohnPaul.htm
Who exactly are you trying to fool? Did you even read the Post-Gazette article?:
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“The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis on May 31 reached at $210 million settlement with about 450 victims of abuse by clergy and others associated with the church.
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That followed the archdiocese’s 2015 bankruptcy filing, which itself followed an avalanche of lawsuits made possible by a 2013 Child Victim’s Act. That Minnesota law provided a three-year window in the statute of limitations that otherwise had barred lawsuits over long-ago abuse.”
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That’s what the plaintiff’s bar in PA is hoping is in store for them. What percentage of the settlements do you think the lawyers get?
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And who do you think pays for the insurance premiums, the bishop himself? It’s the laity!
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19762878/ns/us_news-life/t/la-archdiocese-settle-suits-million/#.W3ZKfLj0Xb0
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From the article:
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“Cardinal Roger Mahony recently told parishioners in an open letter that the archdiocese was selling its high-rise administrative building and considering the sale of about 50 other nonessential church properties to raise funds for a settlement.”
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Who do you think paid for the buildings in California, Cardinal Mahoney?
To repeat: I am all for punishing the wicked where that is possible. I am against the patrimony of the Church that has been purchased for the Church through the past sacrifices of the faithful being sold to settle claims for pervert priests. If the priests themselves were the only ones financially accountable for the crimes I can guarantee you that no Grand Jury would have been convened, because there would have been no money in the resulting civil suits!
SC,
Your anger is misdirected.
You should not be angry with the AG or Rep Rizzo.
You should be disgusted and angry with the Prelates who foisted and perpetrated this mess to hide their own lack of interest in the Faith and their callous disregard for the Flock.
The latter being we stinkin dirty sheople.
The “priest” we encountered in the diner.
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2005_09_21_Philly_GrandJury/Philly_05_08_Connor.pdf
Oe FYI .Cardinal Sodano’s nephew working for the Folieri Group was doing a double dip while taking bribes from Maciel. The FG was buying and selling church properties in the US on the cheap and selling high. Some of the properties turned into ale houses.
Raphaelo went off to prison while Sodano’s nephew made an easy exit back to Italy.
I thank God for the GJ exposing the transfers of these demonic men we seem to think are priests Bishops included !
Old claims are not quite as much as I said . Usually the attorney has multiple victims he represents and the claim is divided up. I have researched these claims and the settlements. They are quite a lot less now because of the insurance and proof the Diocese has put safeguards into place.
SC,
What can I say ? No one was guarding the Patrimonial hen house. The keepers of the coffers could have cared less as long s they had their mansions, trips, boyfriends and retirements all in place.
That is where your anger should be placed.
That was VERY enlightening Johnbilbee……
I’m sorry, but I am absolutely hard-nosed about this. The Catholic laity in Pennsylvania should recognize that ultimately the money for the settlements is coming out of their pockets and it may be their Church that is sold off to pay the settlements. They should say “We regret the crimes done, but we had nothing to do with them and will not VOTE FOR ANY POLITICIAN who thinks OUR PROPERTY should be sold off to pay off settlements in civil suits.”
I think this was also interesting.
https://stumblingblock.org/
And btw, what exactly is a statute of limitations when a bunch of deviance-supporting democrats can change it at their whim to attack one of their hated institutions? The whole purpose of a statute of limitations is to cut off claims that could have been brought but were not. A “statute of limitations” that can be opened with a “window” is just another example of modernism in action!
Ultimately, just the mere fact of the allegations in the Grand Jury report are a great chastisement and humiliation for the faithful. It is likely that more than a few of them are true. However, it may be in the hands of the faithful to ameliorate the consequences by NOT SUPPORTING POLITICIANS WHO MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE LAW BY INTRODUCING A ”WINDOW” IN A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS so that their property – their patrimony – can be sold to pay off settlements. This situation reminds me of the parable of the shrewd steward who marked down debts owed to his master when he was told that he would be let go. The current situations is admittedly horrific, but the materials means of the Church should be retained and held onto in the hope of better days.
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BTW, those on the other side – the plaintiff’s bar – would NEVER vote for a politician who could do them a great financial harm and laugh at the naivete of the Catholic faithful who think this is about criminally prosecuting the wicked when it is all about getting their hands on the wealth of the Church – wealth that really belongs to the faithful!
TGS
No need to apologize. I agree, the Bella Dodd story needs to be promoted. She basically told us 60+ years ago what we were going to be dealing with presently.
Is there an online source with her full Senate hearing evidence? It would be very good to see an accurate transcript. There are so many claims about what she said, but I’ve never seen the full session presented anywhere.
Thank you, Louie, for presenting your observations, “unpopular though they may be.” I have a feeling that such observations are becoming less unpopular as the sheer enormity of what is happening in the Church jolts the faithful awake and impels them to ‘join the dots’ more diligently than before in their search for the truth.
I wonder, did Josh Shapiro allude to the fact that is has now become clear that the majority of the perpetrators of the abuses are homosexuals, and that the scandal has only got to such a point because a homosexual cabal now has a stranglehold on the Church, and has had for some time? I think I know the answer to that one.
I also wonder how Shapiro sees some particular high prelate who is guilty of abuse: if his victim is an underage boy then it’s bad, bad, bad, but if he is a seminarian who has attained majority, it’s all good? This is cognitive dissonance with bells on it.
In all the pros and cons of this debacle I think Lynda makes a good point about innocent priests who have been unjustly accused. That their bishops did/do nothing to support and vindicate them only highlights the extent of their corruption.
I also think St Cyprian is right about there being a push to deprive the faithful of their patrimony by using property that essentially belongs to them to pay off settlements. Yes, it’s about getting hands on the wealth of the Church – like in the days of King Henry VIII.
No, not officially. I see nothing on the SSPX website and I have seen nothing from Bishop Williamson of “The Resistance”. The latter seems to be too busy opining on the General Chapter of the SSPX. I wonder if it’s because they’ve had their own run-in with this sort of problem.
I have also not seen anything from either of them about Francis’ change to the Vatican II catechism re: the death penalty.
I would suggest that even calling sodomites “homosexual” is to somewhat give legitimacy to the deeds which they indulge themselves in. The words “homosexual” and conversely “heterosexual” makes it seem like there’s some legitimate and equivalent “choice” where there isn’t…as if one were to choose buying a Ford over a Toyota.
Better to refer to them as sodomites/pederasts. That’s what they are. They’re mentally, morally and spiritually ill.
I think of George Gilder in his book “Sexual Suicide” because he sums it up very succinctly: “There are only men and women”.
I too am beginning to be troubled by the fact that by accepting Francis’ permission to marry and hear Confessions, the Society has to some extent painted itself into a corner re the Conciliar Church. Very clever move by Bergoglio IF the Society’s silence was what he was trying to achieve.
Having said that, to be left alone to grow and thrive in this era of utter meltdown is no bad thing …. .
TGS: “I too am beginning to be troubled by the fact that by accepting Francis’ permission to marry and hear Confessions, the Society has to some extent painted itself into a corner re the Conciliar Church. ”
I hadn’t thought of that. I think this is always the risk a group takes when it remains “in communion” with the false pope/church. They will forever be compromised.
The truly independent clergy (such as Bp Sanborn) have no problem at all in reminding the faithful of the proper Church teachings on death penalty etc. Yes, it seems like the change of leadership has not yet resulted in a change of direction for the SSPX. Sad. So many people look to them as the last great hope for Catholicism. They could be, but not by accomodating Rome.
I am amazed that fellow Catholics are clueless as to what motivated Benedict’s retirement from the Papacy and why he does not leave Vatican City which has no extradition . Have they forgotten the ” Rights of the Child Treaty” the Vatican naivly signed with the UN back in the 90s?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/02/22/the-skeletons-in-benedicts-closet/
“2001 Letter to Bishops
After being tasked in 2001 by Pope John Paul II to assume responsibility for sex abuse allegations, and after gaining access to a trove of documents that laid out allegations against abusive priests, Ratzinger took action. He did so in a 2001 letter sent to every one of the church’s bishops. In it, Ratzinger laid out the church’s guidelines for investigating claims of sexual abuse, which asserted that the church — and not civil authorities — still held primary authority over investigations and that the church had a right to keep evidence in such cases confidential until 10 years after a minor turned 18. That assertion led to charges by victims’ rights advocates that Ratzinger had committed worldwide gross obstruction of justice, a charge that critics saw as compounded by Ratzinger’s assertion in the letter that such cases required absolute secrecy. Breaking the code of silence carried a range of penalties, among them excommunication. Ratzinger’s order effectively removed the possibility that sex abusers would be brought to justice in lay courts and guaranteed that the church would retain its investigatory prerogative. “
St Cyprian,
I am just as hard nosed in my belief that the Catholic Faithful were stupid to trust their Prelates to do the right thing in cases of abuse or with the money they put in the baskets.
Please cite me one Scriptural passage wherein Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said to His Apostles build my Kingdom on earth by living like Princes and ruling like Kings over the Faithful with all the pomp and ceremony of a worldly ruler.
I’m with Dowd who once stated on another blog that the Church should go back to it’s pre Constantine days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine
TGS—Thank you for your response. “the Society has to some extent painted itself into a corner re the OFFICIAL church.” The SSPX no longer refers to the V2 church as the “conciliar” church. Apparently, the SSPX feels that the V2 church has authority. I find that very, very, disturbing.
Also, do you really think the SSPX will be left alone to grow and thrive while the OFFICIAL church is in this era of utter meltdown? I hope you are correct. However, the SSPX chapel in my area is down to one Mass on Sunday because many parishioners,who have lost trust, have walked away. Does silence show courage and fortitude?
US Bishops need a refresher course:
http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/18
Sounds like Capital Punishment to me.
As Louie and others intimate or state, the grand jury report is war-time propaganda. That is not to say that it is false or that a war is not needed. It is to say, however, that it is an attack on the Church, rather than on crimes that can actually be prosecuted. Just read the first page of the report to see for yourselves.
Some states, however, have solved this latter problem of non-prosecutable, by specially extending the statute of limitations. This tells us more about the criminality of the justice system than it does about the criminality of those who have been dead for decades without any way to defend themselves against claims having no evidence except for supposed memories decades later. In my own state, it is curious to note that the extension of the statute of limitations was sponsored in both house and senate by Jews. In New York, as I understand, it was also played out as a war of Jewish interests vs. Catholic hierarchy.
@Sweepoutthefilth: Let me get this straight. You have not attacked my characterization of the events, that the non-Catholic AG is apparently using a Grand Jury Proceeding to embarrass the Legislature into amending the statute of limitations. Instead you argue that I should be angry at the bishops who let this happen. Who said I wasn’t angry at the bishops? I was just seeking to bring to the attention of the faithful an under-reported aspect of the story that they may not have been aware of. An aspect that the faithful in Pennsylvania may suffer from, e.g., their parish church may have to be sold to satisfy the settlements.
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So sweep, do you fully support the apparent effort of the plaintiff’s bar in Pennsylvania to force the Legislature through a hard-nosed brutal political stunt (the Grand Jury Report) to make an exception to the statute of limitations so that the Church may be sued in civil proceedings for monetary damages? Are you happy that the money paid to the attorneys involved which could have been used for the work of the Church, will likely be spent by the attorneys on luxury cars or vacation homes on the Jersey shore?
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I don’t trust the bishops for another reason. I believe at least a few of them are enemies of the Church who wish its destruction. The forced sale of properties and the resultant impoverishing of the Church may be what those clerical enemies of the Church have in mind! That is why I am counseling the faithful in Pennsylvania to call their representatives and to voice their alarm that the statute of limitations is being amended only so that Church property can be plundered by the plaintiff’s bar!
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If you argue much more about this I may suspect that you are a paralegal working for the plaintiff’s bar!
Well well it looks like at at least one person’s eyes have been opened (St. Cyprian) to what sweepINthefilth is really all about (LIES and SLANDER and arguments). I’m not sure I agree with you and Louie 100%, but it’s really making me think – why indeed would you have this report and circus when a really good thing would have been indictments of the guilty which is a prosecutors job and not just rants and reports and theater shows.
I’m sure Smeary will call me some name now, she’s accused me of being Fleur over and over and now Blunderass but to be fair I thought she was Randy Engle. But maybe you’re right and she’s actually a paralegal spying! That would make sense why she is always talking about crazy people blogs as “proof”, she seems to be spying and gathering intel.
That’s right let’s blame the Jews and everyone else when as far back as the Crusades idiot parents canned their common sense for false piety and sent their children on the Children’s Crusade. Most died before they left the continent and the ones that made it were slain or made slaves and probably Bacha Bazi Boys for the Moslems.
How about the Castrati Choir for the Sistine Chapel?
The Catholic laity can blame their inherent overblown pride and idolatry of the priesthood and the Vatican for much of this.
Papolatrists are another lunatic fringe. Remember the cry of “John Paul Two ,we love you”? It worked well for Sodano and the pro Maciel crowd. The same is happening with the majority of Catholic media outlets largely owned by Opus Dei who play pro and anti Francis games waiting to see where the laity’s cards will fall.
In Boston, the churches of the faithful were sold off and one of them became a Dollar store. I’m sure the hippie priest, attendee of the very first NAMBLA meeting, Paul Shanley would be so sad to see the results of his deviance, NOT. That faggot molestor preached communism to my Grandfather while my father was fighting communism in Vietnam. Nobody needs to lecture me if they think we shouldn’t have been in Vietnam; no Catholic Priest should have been preaching the Satanic religion, communism, to mothers and fathers whose boys could be killed any day by the communists. Even +Sheen came out against the war, I just don’t think that’s the role of Churchmen. These damnable communist sodomites have abused the entire faithful in various ways and the worst has been robbing them of their faith. But, there can be no doubt that they do intend to steal Her property as well. I think Louie and St. Cyprian make very valid points. These men aren’t even Catholic, they’re committing crimes as representatives of the Catholic Church and they aren’t being prosecuted for them. Wuerl will maybe turn in his resignation again, but the faithful will lose churches their families attended for generations. This is nothing to be joyful over. My joy is reserved for when a Pope excommmunicates every one of them and then takes back our property and starts evangelizing. How can the Church evangelize when nobody even knows She exists and they think She is actually this other communist sodomy beast of a new religion? There is no way forward as long as we don’t have a Pope, oh darn it I don’t see how this can ever be fixed, it’s horrible. Maybe Satan’s minions are trying to make the Church look so criminal that Catholicism is criminalized worldwide. If it’s communism, human trafficking and sodomy that’s what a moral state would do.
Allow me to add that the “Plot against the Church”, the “Alta Vendita” and the real oral instructions in the “Talmud” were not unknown to the Hierarchy in the past.
Just writing Encyclicals never cut it and forming panels set up by homosexual prelates to review homosexual motivated crimes will NOT eliminate the effete predominance of those who control church policies.
Sweep, I can’t believe you would make this comment when you say you were so close to one of these families. That the father was rather absentee due to some type of addiction and psychological trauma, if I recall correctly. That mother wasn’t being proud, she probably desperately desired a good Catholic role model and mentor for her boys. Even McCarick, I believe, came from a not ideal and functional family. I had a friend who sent her boys off to overnight Catholic camp and I did think that she was completely off her nut, but I don’t think she was proud. She lived in a traditional Catholic bubble and she just wanted her sons to grow up to be healthy happy Catholic men and have some fun experiences with other kids while they were children for a very short time. I also am baffled by the Castrati Choir, that’s nuts, but you are kind of throwing that in there for effect. I keep my kids in a bubble but people are proud and evil to send their kids to school, to be altar boys, even to camp? No way.
St Cyprian, I think it is absolutely essential that the entire NO establishment come crumbling down and every church, rectory, and seminary be shuttered up and or sold. When the restoration occurs, traditional Catholics should not expect to simply walk into the old buildings of the past. Most likely it will be a scortched earth policy by the modernists. They will leave nothing for us standing. They rather the old buildings become mosques than once again house the Blessed Sacrament. This will most likely include St Peter’s, Notre Dame, St Patricks, etc. Do not count on ever using these structures again. The restoration will require a fresh start. I see and read so many comment by Catholics who are emotionally tied to real estate without a proper adherence to doctrine. Jesus had no problem knowing that the Temple in Jeruselem would soon be demolished. We too should fear not the destruction of our once holy places. We are a Church foremost from our unity of faith, not our bricks and mortar.
In fact Tom, you just basically said what Bl Anna Katerina also said.
Melanie the proud part of the point I was making is that no one believed children or their parents who said their children were abused. The police knew but the Bishops blew them off and the Catholic populace attacked the family.
“Pride”? Yes our damned demonic serving bishops and Popes protected their own and he image of what people thought the church is.The laity has been in a state of mind numbing happy somnambulance for a very long time.
And the trusted Church source for this is where and by whom?
I was commenting on what Bishop Tissier de Mallerias said in the link Louie provided. He did not simply say the ape church co-occupies the physical, liturgical and juridical space of the True Church. He said the Pope is head of two churches.
This is copied from the link:
This study was first published in French in the tri-monthly review of the Dominicans of Avrillé, Le Sel de la Terre n°85 (summer 2013).
It reflects Archbishop Lefebvre’s true way of thinking concerning the mystery of a Pope presiding over the destruction of the Church: the Pope remains the Pope, but he is at the head of two churches; the Catholic Church, of which he was elected the head, and another society, the “conciliar church”, which has its dogmas, its liturgy, its new institutions, etc. The conciliar church is not the Catholic Church, but a counterfeit “church”. We must separate ourselves from it if we want to keep the Catholic Faith.”
The true traditional teaching of the Church is that she considers Herself pure of faith, indefectible in doctrine, and necessary for salvation. Clearly none of these apply to the conciliar false church aping the Catholic Church. This notion of a Church that can make huge errors concerning doctrine and morality is relatively new in Church history. The main promulgators of this notion of a defective Church were protestants, gallicans, and other enemies of the Faith. Why a traditional society of priests would adopt such an anti-Catholic position is beyond me.
Dear Mr Newtick, There is no such objective reality as a “homosexual” person. This is a lie imposed by powerful anti-God cabals whose aim os to destroy all truth, moral, spiritual, religious and material. Right teason tells us from childhood that we are men and women ordered to marriage and procreation. It is a perverse use of the will to assert that perversion of sexual relations is something natural. It is self-evident that “homosexuality” is a false notion contrived for the purpose of corrupting the minds and morals of a people so that they will accept the evil of the sin of sodomy, in thought, word or deed.
Hello Tom A,
Simply because as Lefebvre was an apostate to the One True Faith, his “Society”, although all dressed up “Catholic”, can be anything but Catholic in the objective realm of truth. His “Society” is a pious deception of Lucifer. That which a pious 12 year old in the state of grace simply must know to save his soul. Pope Paul IV taught this infallibly in his Apostolic Constitution, “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio”, in 1559, during the Council of Trent (http://www.dailycatholic.org/cumexapo.htm). As Lefebvre signed the heretical documents of the false, so called, “Vatican Council II”, in that very act, he not only left the One True Faith, as heresy is opposed to the Faith, but he in an ipso-facto act, thus abjured his Ecclesial office forever, never ,ever, again in his life able to resume any ecclesial position, greater or lesser, period and end. Therefore, as he freely assented to heresy, he freely left the Episcopacy in that very act of assenting to the heresy and to the false pope Paul VI, who himself as an heretic, could never have been Pope, as infallibly taught in the 4th and final Session of the Vatican Council, July, 1870. As Lefebvre left the Faith and the Episcopacy, he lost all juridical power to govern and teach. He therefore, held no power to consecrate Bishops, as that power unlike Orders, comes directly from the Vicar of Christ, who is the singular decision maker of those priests who can be consecrated into the Episcopacy, period and end. The fact that there was no Pontiff from whom the juridical power could flow, is simply yet another valid argument to Lefebvre’s detriment and hence the illusion of the “SSPX” as a “priestly society”, that which it simply cannot be in the objective realm of truth. Let the bullets fly. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Perhaps you missed the many passages in Sacred Scripture where God permits pagans and idolaters to punish His people for their sins – Assyrians, Moabites, Philistines, Babylonians, and so forth. Your logic is that of an Evangelical Protestant buffoon such as Gary North or Pat Robertson and not in line with the sensus Catholicus.
As for Williamson, let him repent of promoting homo-erotic garbage like Valtorta and writing effeminate little poems (“Eleison Comments”, what horrendous girly garbage) and then perhaps his words would be worth considering.
It’s worth noting that +Lefebvre was a missionary priest in Africa and, unlike his Judas Williamson, had nothing but respect for men of colour whom he saw as needing the Gospel, not the sleazy secular “sociobiology” and evolutionary heresies which Williamson and his friend Eugene Jones espouse. They are embracing a sack of manure, and unlike Lefebvre, the odds of their redemption are pretty low.
^Lynda- we are essentially saying the same thing in different ways. Thank you.
One quick note about Dr. E. (Eugene) Michael Jones:
I’ve read just about every book Dr. Jones has ever written and there’s much that can be said about his corpus. Volumes. But I’ll limit it to this:
His most massive and crippling blind spot is that he seems to have very little in the way of a genuinely Thomist intellectual foundation based on what is manifest in his books and articles.
I’m not suggesting he rejects Thomism because I simply do not know the man personally, but rather that like so many other fellow Novus Ordites, he simply never was exposed to much or any of it…or got some bad redaction of Thomism.
He’s yet another badly wounded victim of Modernism.
More sickness:
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2015/09/ny-bishop-rape-shames-abuse-victims/
Katherine. Our Lady of Fatima – as relayed by Sr Lucy – was quite explicit “The Great Apostasy will start at the top of the Church and millions of souls will go to hell daily because of bad pastors”.
The Great Chastisement will take the form of Diabolical Disorientation which we are now living in.
The holy Seers said that the worst thing about the Great Chastisement is that because of lukewarm, disinterested catholics , God will withdraw His Grace and allow bad pope, prelates and priests to abound; the Holy Mass; good priests; and true Catholics will be driven underground and if we can’t find a Mass we must rely totally on the Holy Rosary, miraculous medal, brown scapular, St Benedict medal and prayer. We must dedicate ourselves and our families to our Blessed Mother. What we NEVER do is lose Faith.
Melanie, you may be much closer to the truth than you think. The way is being prepared for the anti-Christ as we speak; and the primary objective is to render the Catholic Church anathema! Bergoglio’s “new and improved” protestant version of the Mass is a done deal. Tue Catholics will be shunned and persecuted by the “new and improved” false catholic rabble.
The GOOD news is that it won’t last long and we have been given the means to overcome the ‘odds’…….. The Holy Rosary, the underground Mass, the miraculous medal, the brown scapula, holy water, small acts of self-sacrifice and the Sacraments as long as we have them.
We should all dedicate our families to our Blessed Mother. And above all – be certain in the knowledge that “These thigs will pass” God bless you.
The Church needs to be purged from the top to the bottom. People Whore-Hey Bergoglio needs to go, and Ms. Rosica, the faith needs to be restored in every aspect, from Liturgy, to morality, from to theology, to devotion, ccd, and everything in between. The modernist homo fascists have been in hiding until Whore-Hey stole the throne. And all the rats came out of their holes. Prayer, fasting, penance, and good planning. We need to pull out all the stops to put an end to this evil heresy. “be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” Mt 10.16