This from JTA, which bills itself as “The Global Jewish News Source.” (HT to Chris Ferrara)
Pope, Peres discuss ‘U.N. of religions’ at Vatican meeting
ROME (JTA) – Former Israeli President Shimon Peres met with Pope Francis at the Vatican and proposed a “U.N. of religions” to fight terrorism.
The Vatican said the pope and Peres held a “long” and “very cordial” discussion on Thursday.
During the 45-minute meeting, Peres described his idea to the pontiff about his organization of religions modeled after the United Nations. The motivation, Peres told the Catholic weekly Famiglia Cristiana, is that religion is the prime trigger for world conflicts today.
“The U.N. has had its time,” Peres said, according to Famiglia Cristiana. “What we need is an organization of United Religions, the U.N. of religions. It would be the best way to combat these terrorists who kill in the name of their faith because most people are not like them, they practice their religions without killing anyone, without even thinking about it.”
The Vatican news service said the pope “listened attentively and with interest” to Peres’ proposal.
Also Thursday, the pope met for 30 minutes with Jordanian Prince El Hassan Bin Talal and also discussed interfaith cooperation. The prince is the founder of the Royal Institute for Interfaith Studies in Amman.
Francis last met with Peres June 8, when he hosted the then-Israeli president, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople at an unprecedented prayer meeting in the Vatican garden.
I’d say that Mr. Peres has chosen wisely. Pope Francis is not only the figurehead of the Church-of-Man wherein every religion is treated as a pathway to peace (not to mention Almighty God); he is its greatest anthropologian.
I can imagine Pope Francis doing this, but I can also imagine that he may decide that his schedule is too dense, you know… with soccer games to plan and trees to plant and all… that he might just appoint Cardinal Kasper in his stead.
Queue up Frankie Blue Eyes: And now, the end is near…
–in 1996,Cardinal Arinze’s Council for Inter-Rel. Dialogue- met with the Unite Religions leader- “Bishop” Swing and “said– “a United Religions would give the appearance of syncretism and it would water down our need to evangelize. It would force authentic religions to be on equal footing with spurious religions.”
-in 1999 that Council reiterated: “Religious syncretism is a theological error. That is why the Pontifical Council does not approve of the U R I and does not work with it. As the U R I develops, the reasons for not collaborating with it become more evident.”
” Bishop” Swing said: “As for the Roman Catholic Church, we have got an awful lot of support from various individual Roman Catholic lay people, nuns, monks, priests, bishops, archbishops, and one cardinal, as a matter of fact.”
“One was Fr. Luis Dolan (died.in 2000) who wrote in 1997: “I believe the UN offers us the first scripture written by communities rather than by a single inspired author, the composite of all the basic documents of the UN, starting with the Charter” — has become ‘a cathedral where we can worship what is best in each other.” ..a planetary prayer book is being composed by an increasingly united humanity seeking its oneness’.”
He called for a new vision “there is no alternative to working together to create the kind of world wanted… This “religious ideal” will not be traditional Christianity. “the Church of the future needs to come across as a community of believers, rather than as an institution with a hierarchical structure”. “Before the 21st century begins we need a congress–not just members of the hierarchy but representatives of the common folk who in their daily devotional life may be practicing syncretism or irenicism” (heresy) Let no one fear the supernatural power of such a conference- it will give an essential element to the future world order that only religions can give.” Dolan stated the Church should provide “more future-oriented norms on human sexuality” as “the new world order takes concrete forms”. His fellow priests and bishops promoted an end to “proselytizing” especially regarding fellow “Christians”.
The “Remnant” says ” Pope Francis, while still Cardinal Bergoglio, was reportedly a friend and supporter of the San Francisco-based URI” . http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/511-pope-francis-and-the-united-religions-initiative
The only thing really standing in their way is Christ and His Church, with our swords of division-the Truths about Salvation: Sin, Judgment,Heaven, Hell. The big question is, will Pope Francis join Cardinal Arinze on the right road? Still Praying daily for these miracles…..
The fact that the Holy See Press Office issued a statement that inter alia the Pope discussed such an evil proposal with Mr Peres for so long, says it all. The Holy See is not currently about the preservation and propagation of the One True Faith and the condemnation of that which conflicts with the Deposit of Faith.
Dear Indignus. From the Remnant article you linked to:
[Picture caption] In 2007 URI celebrated its 10th anniversary in the Metropolitan Cathedral in Buenos Aires, Argentina. On the far-right is Jorge Mario Bergoglio.
Pope Francis, while still Cardinal Bergoglio, was reportedly a friend and supporter of the San Francisco-based URI, which has regional offices in 83 countries and seems to have as its ultimate objective the establishment of what conspiracy theorists used to call the One World Religion, whereby Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Shintoists, Bahá’is, Sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, New Agers, Wiccans, representatives of aboriginal religions, etc., would set aside all doctrinal differences or claims of religious supremacy in order to engender universal peaceful coexistence.
In 2007, URI celebrated its 10th anniversary in the Metropolitan Cathedral in Buenos Aires, Argentina. And guess who was there. “Little did we know,” writes an enthusiastic Maria Eugenia Crespo of URI in Argentina that “one of our esteemed participants and friends, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, would be named Pope just five years later! Felicitations, Papa Francis!”
URI leaders say “proselytizing” is the work of “fundamentalists,” and Paul Chafee (who was then a URI board member) said at a URI forum in 1997, “We can’t afford fundamentalists in a world this small.” (2) If the URI vision prevails, Christian evangelism based on the unique, saving identity and acts of Christ would be ruled out.
Could this provide context for Pope Francis’ famous quip “Proselytism is solemn nonsense. It makes no sense”? (See Eugenio Scalfari interview) Might it even explain our Holy Father’s not infrequent scolding of “fundamentalist” and “neo-pelagian” Catholics? Is the Holy Father still somehow committed to the vision of the URI—an organization opposed by the Church…
I hope his Holiness takes up this position. Can you imagine such an offer being made to the Archbishop of Canterbury or the President of the Southern Baptist Conference? Ha! Only the Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Roman Catholic Church has the moral authority to take on such a role. And he would be following in the footsteps of his predecessors like Pope Benedict XV and Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII who always used their moral authority to fight for peace.
..Bishop Swing-founder and head of URI, could be the key to the “great deception”/diabolic disorientation of our time, and possibly Matthew 24. which could “fool even the elect.”…..
–These First 4 points: =our simplified version from a Catholic perspective, of the 4 heady-quotes below them, from his writings about the beginning of United Religions and his two differing key concepts-ecumenism and inter-faith. .
–(1) He was a protestant who asked his superiors about the idea of sharing the Christian Faith (episcopal version) with non-Christians; got strictly put off (confused?) and completely supressed the idea for over 16 years.
–(2) 16 years later, one night in bed, he was TEMPTED by the devil with an ANTI-CHRIST/(& ANTI-OUR LADY OF FATIMA) DELUSION, but mistook it for A DIVINE INSPIRATION, to PERSONALLY BECOME THE SOLUTION TO the ages-old problem of WAR, and thus CREATE WORLD PEACE by uniting the human hunger for it- under his own leadership skills:
(“means of expression, organizational design, to capture and challenge their primitive desire to take action”) thus completely replacing the entire plan of God for Salvation by Faith and acceptance of Revealed Truth, with stirred- up emotion (leading not from doctrine but from the heart).
The next day he vowed to make that his life’s work putting it side by side with his vows of marriage and the priesthood–a third vow–unknowingly committed to destroying the Church, thinking he’s following God’s lead.
–(3) The ECUMENICAL challenge = by-pass all the differences between The Catholic Church and all Christian sects. Become one in Christ (disregarding doctrine working from desire/emotions)
–(4) The INTERFAITH challenge= by-pass all the difference between everyone an everything created. Become one with nature and all non-Christian men (disregarding all that divides believer in God from non-believer and even from things pantheist/universalist)
His 4 Quotes from “Laboring in the Soil of Interfaith, Searching for the Soul of Interfaith” March 2013 reflections by Bishop Swing:
–1. “Here is how far I have come in Interfaith. When I was in seminary back in the late ’50s, I asked some of my professors about people of other religions. Could they be saved? The answer was always the same: “Don’t go there. If you do, you’ll probably end in universalism or syncretism – and you’ll end up denying the scandal of particularity, that God was in Christ.” So I just didn’t think about it for decades.”
–2. “One night in bed, I thought about all of the killing in God’s name, I imagined on the other hand that there must be billions of people the world over who had an interfaith instinct for peacemaking but who lacked a means of expression and an organizational design to capture and channel their religiously primitive desire to take positive action together…leading not from doctrine but from the heart. So I woke up the next day and committed the rest of my life to being a catalyst for the creation of…something. Here I was, an ecumenical veteran and an invincibly ignorant interfaith want-to-be, deeply promised to God, to create an interfaith community, discover an interfaith vocation, to devise an appropriate interfaith organizational design, and raise interfaith money. Starting from zero. My vow to God took its place along with my vow to Mary (his wife) and my ordination vows.”
–3.”Jesus praying that his followers might become One. The ecumenical challenge is to grow a heart for that prayer and a readiness for Oneness amidst all of the varied followers of Jesus.”
–4. “The interfaith challenge is to grow a heart for the Oneness that exists in atoms and Muslims, galaxies and Buddhists, nature and Jews, universes and Universalists. The giant Oneness that exists in the mind of God and throbs in the heart of God. Kinship…In all things and through all things and beyond all things. Interfaith kinship that is not born of the flesh, or culture, or faith’s commands, but born of echoes and whispers. Echoes of mercy and whispers of love.” http://www.uri.org/the_latest/2013/03/laboring_in_the_soil_of_interfaith_searching_for_the_soul_of_interfaith
It seems to explain that and a lot more, when you realize that Rome had completely rejected any participation in the URI, and here we see, 10 years later, Bergoglio not only participating but celebrating it’s 10-year anniversary in the Catholic Cathedral, thus fully embracing its anti-Catholic essence.
A bit off topic, but….
One for the “viva la revolution” category. Regardless of what you think about Voris, a must see.
This is how modernists subvert the strong.
…. and this is how the modernists deal with the weak:
Visitation on the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate:
“Sister, you really should get out more” said the modernist to the cloistered nun. 😉
…. and tying up potential scenarios for the upcoming Muller/Fellay get together, here is Mundabor’s take:
Link here: http://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/curb-your-enthusiasm/
“Nor have we had signs of a devilish offensive of the Unholy Father against them. Francis is weak with the strong, and does not look for conflicts. He never picked a fight with the SSPX in Buenos Aires, it’s not clear to me why he would want to pick it now. He would be ridiculed and exposed as utterly and completely incompetent. He would have nothing to gain as the leftist, socialist, dissenting side is already supporting him. There is no upside.”
I don’t think the SSPX will cave either. 🙂
You had a post about the upcomming meeting between Fellay and Mueller….what happened to it?
I sure hope one side or the other did not threaten you to remove it….the comments on it when I last read it were sensible and obvious…
I am always sadden to see one side or the other pressuring the faithful to remove common sense observations about their own activities…
Bonus for today from the EOTT blog via Fr. Z: “Requiem for a dead ideology”
Money quote (the entire post actually):
“CINCINNATI, OH- A Solemn High Requiem Mass was held Thursday at St. Martura Church in downtown Cincinnati for the Spirit of Vatican II, aged 52. After suffering a progressively debilitating illness for the last ten years of its life as a new generation of priests re-examined the Council in light of Sacred Tradition, the Spirit of Vatican II passed away quietly in its sleep last Tuesday.
“The Requiem Mass really brought closure to the community,” said 26-year old Father David Flannigan, FSSP, who celebrated the Mass with Deacon Brady Schwartz, 32, and Subdeacon Anthony LaViera, 23. “While the death of the Spirit of Vatican II was certainly expected, we were glad to offer Mass for its repose.” [I would like to have been the celebrant for that one. Perhaps I’ll schedule my own.]
“What a beautiful Mass!” commented long-time parishioner Gladys O’Neal. “I hadn’t seen black vestments since I was a little girl. And as much as I love the song On Eagle’s Wings, the Dies Irae sequence really got me thinking about the Four Last Things.”
The Spirit of Vatican II is survived by a dwindling number of aging hippies who dropped out of seminary in the ‘70’s, some faded felt banners, and tambourines presently gathering dust in storage.”
With the current bishop of Rome, it’s hard to distinguish parody from reality. 🙂
Ut oh– Mike Voris isn’t gonna be too happy about THIS Dolanism:
Pat Archbold doesn’t like it, either:
An essential question in all this is whether being a practicing, faithful Catholic is a matter of eternal life and eternal death. The Church has always taught that the answer is yes, absent invincible ignorance.
For Bergoglio, however, it apparently doesn’t matter whether one is Catholic or not. He’s wildly popular because he implicitly teaches that being Catholic, or even moral, is irrelevant to one’s salvation — a message most people want to hear, since it affirms them in their complacency, prejudices, and bad habits.
The only requirement for salvation is being “tolerant,” above any other personal religious or moral convictions. Tolerance is the great virtue, and intolerance the great sin.
Curiously, however, Church leaders practice intolerance of intolerance. The “sin” of the SSPX is intolerance of the errors of Vatican II. This intolerance should not be tolerated.
There’s great hypocrisy among the Conciliar Church’s leaders. Publicly, they have lost moral authority and express opinions considered to be no better than anyone else’s. Occasionally, however, one slips up and says something “intolerant.” But hey, it’s still okay to have them around — they wear quaint outfits and it shows how tolerant we are!
Burke b***h slaps Francis: “We don’t judge people, we judge acts”
What part of that doesn’t Francis understand? 😉
God: “Why hast thou done this”?
Eve: “The serpent deceived me”.
How much clearer can this be as evidence for the False Prophet, who sets up the one world religion?
Dear S. Armaticus, Thank you for this link to words SO LONG OVERDUE:
From Cardinal Raymond Burke,
head of the Apostolic Signatura..- (the Vatican’s highest court)
“We have to judge acts, we have to,” … “All day long we make judgments with regards to certain acts; this is what the natural law is: to choose good and to avoid evil.”
“. while we can judge acts as gravely sinful we can’t say that a particular person is in grave sin, since “perhaps you are committing them without even knowing that they are gravely sinful, or perhaps you are committing them without fully consenting, who knows?”
“..but the acts themselves we have to judge, we couldn’t live a good and moral life otherwise,” he added.
On same-sex attraction versus sexual sins:
_” there is much misunderstanding about the matter today “and sadly it leads to a lot of good people not doing what they should do, to help someone who is suffering in this condition.”
“.. of people of same-sex attraction:”
“I have great compassion for them and especially in our society today where many young people are led into the same-sex activity where they might not have been in the past because of complete relaxation of morals and a corruption.”
—“I have great compassion for them but that compassion means that I want them to know the truth to avoid sinful acts for the sake of their own good for their own salvation and so you try to help the person,” . “Now that today isn’t well received by an aggressive homosexual agenda but that doesn’t mean that it’s not the right approach to take.” ” should we remain silent due to pressure from the aggressive homosexual agenda, we would be “presiding over the destruction of our society.”
You moron. I would use stronger words to describe your idiocy but I don’t want to smear Louie’s fórum with such language. I can almost see you worshipping the image of the Beast together with the false prophet sometime possibly within our very own lifetimes. It is in part because of neo-catholic idiots such as yourself that the church finds itself in such a horrible mess. I’m not going to waste time arguing such beastly idiocy, I just want to put the spotlight fully clear on this fórum for everyone to see on such an assisine comment for your shame.
God help you.
It’s also very odd when Muslims complain you’re not defending them enough: http://eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/popes-turkey-trip-and-absurd-attack-on.html
How can you think this is anti-Catholic? Jesus came into the world for all the world.
To In Hoc Signo Vinces: “You moron”, what a way for one Catholic to address another human, let alone another Catholic. Jesus said: “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”