Several months ago, I wrote in reaction to the now infamous Scalfari interview,”We have entered a new phase in the post-conciliar destruction of the Church. The days of pretense and nuance are over.”
Well, I hate to say “I told you so,” but Evangelii Gaudium offers any number of gems that serve to confirm precisely this.
If it’s at all possible to sum up the general theme of this 50,000 word tome in just a couple of sentences, Pope Francis himself seems to have done so back on August 7th when he said (as reported by CNS):
Do you need to convince the other to become Catholic? No, no, no! Go out and meet him, he is your brother. This is enough. Go out and help him and Jesus will do the rest.
You see, at the very heart of Pope Francis’ vision for the Church lies an impoverished notion of her mission, one that reflects no desire whatsoever to seek converts to the Holy Catholic faith, be it among the heathens, the heretics or the Jews.
Now, let’s not pretend that his immediate predecessors were any different; they weren’t, but Francis does appear to be blazing new trails as it relates to the candor with which he makes the case for abandoning the mission of the Church as Our Blessed Lord gave it.
Non-Christians, by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences, can live “justified by the grace of God”, and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”. But due to the sacramental dimension of sanctifying grace, God’s working in them tends to produce signs and rites, sacred expressions which in turn bring others to a communitarian experience of journeying towards God. While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. (EG 254)
Think about what we’re being told…
The invincibly ignorant non-Christian, moved by grace to seek God and yet embracing a false religion just the same, tends to engage in pagan rituals that serve to create a community of pagans. So far so good, but notice exactly who, at least insofar as the pope believes, “raises up” these so-called “sacred expressions,” it’s the Holy Spirit!
If that’s not troubling enough, we are told that this urge to engage in pagan rites is “due to the sacramental dimension of sanctifying grace.” Sanctifying grace!
While Pope Francis’ post-conciliar predecessors were content to behave as if all roads lead to God, Baptism or not, this pope is willing to put his cards face-up on the table: There is no urgency to Baptize non-Christians for the simple reason that sanctifying grace is already operative in their lives!
This explains a lot, doesn’t it?
This is why the pope feels justified in calling religious diversity “a gift” and can write about a “healthy religious pluralism” (cf EG 255).
As he sees it, from the earth worshipers to the humanists and everyone in between, the whole kit and kabodle is nothing less than the Holy Spirit moving the whole of mankind toward God; a process that takes place quite apart from the participation of modern day churchmen whose primary concern is social justice; having long since outgrown the Great Commission.
And this is the man chosen by the College of Cardinals to “reform the Roman Curia,” or to borrow an ominous phrase from Evangelii Gaudium, to “open us up to the future, lest we cling to a nostalgia for structures and customs which are no longer life-giving in today’s world” (EV 108).
God help us.
Yeah, we are in deep trouble. I blogged on that same paragraph, as well. It is incredibly troubling. So, when pagan animists sacrifice a chicken (or a child) in what many Saints have described as demonic rituals, it’s Grace in action!
So, curse all those missionaries of old who converted the Aztecs and their human blood cult? It was an act of Grace when the still beating heart was cut out of a live human sacrifice on top of an Aztec pyramid?
Is there any consideration given to what this rhetoric, taken to its logical conclusion, will mean for the Church and its already decrepit evangelizing efforts? What, exactly, is the attraction of the Church? As a medium for social justice, as you say? But I thought we were to be more than just another NGO?
So, we’re a lefty NGO with a little Jesus thrown in?
God help us indeed! The thought behind that paragraph (EG 254) are especially worrisome, though other statements in EG are as well, such as his assessment of the followers of Islam (that most peaceful of religions) who “profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,” or his statement that the old covenant with the Jewish people was never revoked. It seems as if Pope Francis has no trouble with anyone except the self-absorbed promethean neopelagians “who remain intransigently faithful to a particular Catholic style from the past” and who maintain an “ostentatious preoccupation for the liturgy, for doctrine and for the Church’s prestige.”
And so the Church was a Mother, the Mother of more children, of many children. It became more and more of a Mother. A Mother who gives us the faith, a Mother who gives us an identity. But the Christian identity is not an identity card: Christian identity is belonging to the Church, because all of these belonged to the Church, the Mother Church. Because it is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church. The great Paul VI said: “Wanting to live with Jesus without the Church, following Jesus outside of the Church, loving Jesus without the Church is an absurd dichotomy.” And the Mother Church that gives us Jesus gives us our identity that is not only a seal, it is a belonging. Identity means belonging. This belonging to the Church is beautiful.”
The Pope said these words in April.
Either he has changed his mind or is seriously confused.
What a mess …
Well, does a Frankistan even need the Church? No. The Bible? No. The Lord of History? No.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it terribly dodgy for one’s immortal soul to attribute to the Holy Ghost ungodly things?
we need a new dictionary – Pope Francis speak. “conversion’ = become more worldly. ‘worship’ – when directed at the Faithful = idolatry; when directed at the unfaithful = who am I to judge?
Fill in the blank: Pinpointing [……………..] beliefs is difficult, as [it] appears philosophical in nature and ideologically complex.
Answer: The Satanic Temple’s…
Please, Pope Francis tread carefully. You are supposed to crush the head of the serpent, not the sheep.
outstanding piece of analysis and writing….from both Louie and the commentors.
Indeed the words quoted in this article are ominous…’ lest we cling to a nostalgia for structures and customs which are no longer life giving in today’s world.’ Is he talking about the Mass and adoration of the Holy Eucharist? Bergoglio and his ‘gang of eight’ is just getting warmed up. Each of us will have to face the fact that he and they are in the process of destroying the Church– literally and totally and creating a ‘new church’ composed of many religions. Each of us will have to answer the question , ‘Who am I serving?’ and there will be no way any one of us will be able to carry water on both shoulders. We will be confronted with following the Church underground or allying with the evil one. Let u stay very close to our Eucharistic Kin.
Lat word of last line in comment above is ‘g’.
Mr. Verrecchio, a while back you wrote that Pope Francis is a “material heretic”, in orther words, his verbal comments contained de facto heresy, but the formality of enunciation was not “formal”, just “off-tjhe-cuff” as one says.
Well, in this article you cite from Pope Francis’s EG, i.e., page 254.
Question: Does not EG constitute a document formally expressing papal teachings? If this is so, are you now read to declare Pope Francis a FORMAL heretic? I would like to request that you consider my question, offer an answer (which could be a “yes” or “no” or “maybe”) and then offer reasonings explaing your response.
I, for one, find “formal” heresy to be a valid designation. I simply do not recognize Pope F’s Church as a continuation (using Cardinal Newman’s notion of development) of Catholicism and to entail a radicalization of the Vat II popes.
Last question: If Pope F is in formal heresy, what does this imply the magesterial implications of Peter receiving the “Keys” to the Heavens?
Destruction of the Church: the bishop of Rome is going for the gold:
Burn, baby burn.!
PS: Eponymous Flower is the second website I open after opening Mundabor. It gives one a good lay of the land in the Germanic part of the Church where the rebellion against the true Faith is most pronounced. The manner in which the pan-Germans are suppressing the Faith would make their recent ancestors proud.
Not all keepers of the keys are ‘promethean’ stewards. Regarding the Arian heresy:
“In that time of immense confusion the divine dogma of Our Lord’s divinity was still proclaimed, enforced, maintained, and (humanly speaking) preserved, far more by the Ecclesia docta (“the taught Church”—the faithful) than by the Ecclesia docens (“the teaching Church”—the Magisterium); that the body of the Episcopate was unfaithful to its commission, while the body of the laity was faithful to its baptism; that at one time the pope, at other times a patriarchal, metropolitan, or other great sees, at other times general councils said what they should not have said, or did what obscured and compromised revealed truth while, on the other hand, it was the Christian people who, under Providence, were the ecclesiastical strength of Athanasius, Eusebius of Vercelli, and other great solitary confessors, who would have failed without them… On the one hand, then, I say that there was a temporary suspense of the functions of the Ecclesia docens.The body of the bishops failed in their confession of the faith.” – Michael Davies: Saint Athanasius: Defender of the Faith. Angelus Press.
Has the Pope ‘failed in his confession of faith?’ If he preaches that paganism is a sanctified and justified path to beatitude then most certainly. These days the majority of catechists, priest and bishops have a big smile while they ‘fail in their confession of faith.’ Without the Church, however, the infallible Church, there’s no confession to make or fail to make.
Ecclesia docta (“the taught Church”—the faithful) must uphold, then, what too many shepherds will not.
For the over fifty years, Arianism tried to upend the barque of Peter, like all things that are not nurtured by the Holy Ghost, Arianism, ‘as an intellectual movement spent its force.’ Heresy and Truth cannot co-exist in the Body of Christ; therefore, the Church will find an even keel again.
the bulldozing continues:
interesting talk on the ages of the Church:
Ahh, dear brethren here and Mr.V.,– keep it up–your stalwart defense of the Faith. You give this week ignorant soul a backbone and help me prepare for the daily battle I face.
St. Joseph, pray for us.
St. Louis de Montfort, pray for us.
EG 254 sank my heart as well. But who can blame Francis? – it’s all in the “spirit of Vatican II.” There’s no hermeneutics of continuity whatsoever with Nostra Aetate.
Lord, help us!
pray, pray, pray. if possible, 15 decades a day that the shepherds and the successor are given the grace to front up to the reality of hell…then, pray God, they might just discover how to lead people to heaven. the gospel, good news, after all, is that we are no longer bound to go to hell because of our first parents sin. the good news was never, there is no hell, and if there is nobody goes there.
Lord Have Mercy, us being send horrible Bishops’ is a sign of God’s wrath.
Have you ever considered why Our Lord used Samaritans as examples?
…..from The Transalpine Redemptorist Christmas Book…..
+ “Come and say to Him: ‘Ah, beautiful Infant! tell me whose child art Thou?’
He replies: ‘My Mother is this pure and lovely Virgin who is standing by Me.’
‘And who is thy Father?’
“My Father, ‘ He says, ‘is GOD.’
‘How is this? Thou art the Son of God, and art so poor; and why? Who will acknowledge Thee in such a condition? Who will respect Thee?’
‘No,’ replies Jesus, ‘holy faith will make know Who I am, and will make Me loved by those souls whom I came to redeem and to inflame with love, I am not come,’ says He, ‘to make Myself feared, but to make Myself loved; and therefore I wished to show Myself to you for the first time as a poor and humble Infant, that seeing to what My love for you has reduced Me, you might love Me the more.’
‘But tell me, my sweet Infant, why doest Thou turn Thine eyes on every side? What art Thou looking for? I hear Thee sigh; tell me wherefore are these sighs? O God! I hear Thee weep; tell me wherefore dost Thou weep?’
‘Yes,’ replies Jesus, ‘I turn my eyes around; for I am seeking for some soul that desires Me. I sigh out of desire to see Myself near to a heart that burns for Me, as I burn with love for it. But I weep; and it is because I do not see, or I see but few souls, who seek Me and wish to love Me.” +
An ancient echo is still true, and will till the end of times……St. Francis of Assisi lamenting at the town-square……’LOVE is not loved!’……..this is the true problem with the establishment of the Church of Men……..and the pagan world!
Have mercy upon us, O Infant Jesus, have mercy upon us!
“While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. (EG 254)
notice exactly who, at least insofar as the pope believes, “raises up” these so-called “sacred expressions,” it’s the Holy Spirit!”
Of course it’s the Holy Spirit. Any work of moving a soul towards God in any authentic way, even if it is not the fullness of the Catholic Faith, is still the work of the same Holy Spirit. There is only one God. If there is anything good or holy, it is of Him.
“For now we have no one to help us; God has sold us into their hands, to strew us on the ground before them with thirst and utter destruction.” (Judith 7:25)
I don’t meant to pluck a Scripture verse out of context and apply it to any circumstance in the present day that I see fit–or to be hyperbolic. But liberal Catholic preachers in this age do it, so what the he**, why shouldn’t I. I couldn’t be much further off than they typically are. In any case, this verse from Judith, a book I’m presently reading, whatever its proper interpretation, will resonate with many of like minds here.
We are in deep trouble aren’t we? Great work Louie, I’m a 19 year old traditional Catholic, and I LOVE reading your commentaries. Keep up the great work, tell it like it is, and never back down. You have some great commenters as well! God Bless everyone.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, nor only pagans but also Jews or heretics or schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives…” Teaching that contradicts this and what the Church taught before 1958, is heresy which incurs “ispo facto” excommunication, loss of office and loss of jurisdiction.
Ecumenism is the Universal Solvent of Tradition and the end of the dissolution of Tradition is the oasis-free desert of Indifferentism.
Every single document of Vatican Two was baptised in Ecumenism and since then every single aspect of Catholic Tradition has been submitted to the sacramental of defenestration and yet the revolutionaries of this indefensible praxis of rupture demand we praise them for a praxis they claim is a virtual prelapsarian return to the putatively pristine nascent church.
The disorientation is diabolical.
We are getting the leaders we deserve. Most of the laity apostatized a long time ago. I am so sick at heart I can hardly make a comment on the new things happening. We need to pray more.
I do not understand slang, so I do not know what the reader above meant by bulldozing. All I know is that the TLM is being suppressed.
bulldozing = horitzontializing, destruction of elevated anything. God Bless.
God has been helping but people don’t listen to Him to their own misfortune.
For how can Bergoglio or Ratzinger or Wojtyla etc., men with finished theological studies and consequently with full knowledge of Catholic doctrine, not be outside of The Catholic Church and without papal office and authority for all the heresies and apostasies each of them has committed?
This is absurd and false: to claim that Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyla etc. didn’t know that they had spoke against Catholic dogmas, that is, that their heresies have only been material (in non-culpable ignorance and thus not culpable) and not formal (conscious or in culpable ignorance and thus culpable).
And there is even no non-culpable (material) act of apostasy as were Bergoglio’s or Wojtyla’s or Ratzinger’s acts of respect towards Islam. Simply no one can show praise to any non-Christian religion and another god (read: demon) and remain Catholic.
Equally absurd and false is to claim that Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyla etc. is/was a modernist, that is, a heretic (since modernism is the synthesis of all heresies, according to St. Pius X) or even an apostate and at the same time still the Pope of The Catholic Church.
For heretic or anyone else who is by definition outside The Catholic Church cannot at the same time be inside The Catholic Church as its very head.
One has to consciously reject the truth to believe that Bergoglio or Ratzinger or Wojtyla etc. is/was the Pope.
This pope needs to study his catechism…he either didn’t learn it or forgot most off it. Then again, he’s a Jesuit. He should know that sanctifying grace comes first through baptism, then the soul can receive either an increase in grace or that grace anew in the other sacraments. While God’s prevenient grace may move certain non believers to seek Him “in Spirit and in Truth” , the Truth of which the Catholic Church is the sole possessor and guardian. they are, by no means, somehow moved by their own communal awareness of themselves or by any attachment to false religions and the various so-called “sacred expressions”, rites, prayers, or dervish whirling connected to them and they certainly don’t have sanctifying grace. Thus to say that the Holy Ghost somehow sanctifies these things or as the Pope says, “lifts them up” is beyond belief and borderline blasphemous and to say that somehow a quasi-sacramental grace is imparted to them is ludicrous. If any pagan,Jew, Mohamatan, or otherwise happen to be saved in the end,and that’s a big if, it is certainly in spite of any attachment they have to their false religion, or rite, or communal consciousness of themselves somehow journeying towards God.
It really is to weep….
….from ‘No King but Caesar” by Hugh Akins….
‘When John XXIII threw open the windows of the Church, supposedly to let in the fresh air of the outside world (in truth, what he let in was the polluted stench of the garbage dump, or, as Pope Paul VI admitted……’the smoke of Satan’), the first four things to be thrown ‘out’ were the Catholic concepts of authority and hierarchy, the idea of the sacred and the reality of the supernatural. With the Magisterium targeted by those endeavoring to uncrown Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Primacy of Peter, that is, the supreme authority of the pope, became its first victim. The episcopacy the second. The priesthood the third.
To put this in the right perspective in keeping with the theme of our treatise: WHERE THE REFORMATION INTRODUCED PROTESTANTISM TO THE WORLD, LIBERALISM AND MODERNISM INTRODUCED PROTESTANTISM TO THE CHURCH. DEMOCRACY—AMERICANISM—WAS THE MOST DECISIVE INTERMEDIARY IN EFFECTUATING THIS PROTESTANTIZATION OF CATHOLICISM, AND THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL GREATLY ACCELERATED THE DRIVE, WHICH UP TO THAT TIME WAS MOVING IN SLOW GEAR AND MOSTLY BEHIND THE SCENES. INDIVIDUAL CONSCIENCE REPLACED THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH, WHICH IS BUT AN EXTENSION OR MANIFESTATION OF DIVINE AUTHORITY. OPINION REPLACED DOGMA. THE RIGHTS OF MAN, WHICH HAD BEEN GRADUALLY EATING AWAY AT THE RIGHTS OF GOD FOR 500 YEARS WERE NOW ATTACKING LIKE A FRENZIED BLOOD ORGY OF KILLER SHARKS.’
……Liberty for everyone and everything……. BUT ERROR AND SIN!
It seems to me that EG paragraph referred to is the very definition of Universalism.
We are saved by Grace,
Grace is available by any and all means to everyone = Universalism.
Instead the pope should be reiterating Catholic teaching and not Universalism.
@James : Your point about the current pope and his two immediate predecessors is well made. I am at the stage where I am trying to separate my respect for the office (of pope) from the occupant of that same office. It is the only way, I think, any faithful Catholic can try to resolve the demarcation that has existed between what the pope says and what the pope ought say.
@Halina : your quotation from The Transalpine Redemptorist Christmas Book
@Louis : another superb blog entry. Your wise words and analysis provide succour in these dark and confusing times. God Bless You.
If I am Charitable I would say they honestly think saying these things is ok. I’ve read a lot of neocatholic stuff and been friends with many. They all talk like this. I asked one guy if he prayed for his friend who left the church for eastern orthodoxy to come back and he said no. He thought the guy would be fine even if he left the church. Of course they think people are ok who don’t believe in the church. This is the superdogma of vat 2.
saluto wrote: “Not all keepers of the keys are ‘promethean’ stewards. Regarding the Arian heresy: “In that time of immense confusion the divine dogma of Our Lord’s divinity was still proclaimed, enforced, maintained, and (humanly speaking) preserved, far more by the Ecclesia docta (“the taught Church”—the faithful) than by the Ecclesia docens (“the teaching Church”—the Magisterium); that the body of the Episcopate was unfaithful to its commission, while the body of the laity was faithful to its baptism; that at one time the pope, at other times a patriarchal, metropolitan, or other great sees, at other times general councils said what they should not have said, or did what obscured and compromised revealed truth while, on the other hand, it was the Christian people who, under Providence, were the ecclesiastical strength of Athanasius, Eusebius of Vercelli, and other great solitary confessors, who would have failed without them.”
Excellent passage. The above passage clearly indicates that at the root of the heresy was a question of a theological variety. Both sides, in good faith tried to develop an understanding based on dogma and reasoning, but this heresy never crossed the line into apostasy. Proof: “In that time of immense confusion the divine dogma of Our Lord’s divinity was still proclaimed, enforced, maintained, and (humanly speaking) preserved…”
This is vastly different from the animal that we face at present. What we have at present is the total subversion of the Faith by secular revolutionaries (Via Che), who are not really concerned with the finer aspect of dogma or theology, but rather of the subversion of an INSTITUTION that is the Church. They see the INSTITUTION as a threat to their ‘personal world order”, and therefore this INSTITUTION must be crushed.
Anyone not cognizant to this fact poses both a danger to himself as well as to others.
Remember sports fans, if the INSTITUTION of the CHURCH is completely subverted to becoming “just another NGO” but with “a little invisible friend” a la Dawkins Disciples (a very poignant observation actually, almost prophesising the reign of Francis), and the Magisterium is “changed” to reflect the contemporary trend that our pop culture promotes, then we Faithful Catholics will find ourselves in the same situation as that of the Christians circa 200 A.D. That which Jesus taught his disciples and has been passed down to us will be considered a hate crime. We might not be fed to the lions, but will definitely face prison time (like the pastor in Sweden for his anti homosexual sermon), our children will be taken away ( like the home schoolers in Germany), and re-education camps with sensitivity training for anyone who errs.
This is the brave new world that we are entering. And the modernists are working hand in hand with the secular leftists to make this happen. Looking at this big picture, explains the reason why no leftist lunatic within the church espousing heresy has ever had a problem with the Church hierarchy since VII, and how diametrically opposite the reaction has been to the Franciscans of the Immaculate. On an aside, please pray for the FII. They desperately need our prayer!!!!!!
Summa sumarum, we can squabble amongst ourselves, debating whether the pope is the pope or an antipope. But the end result will be similar to that of the communist faithful during Soviet times, who were sent to the Gulag’s on a frivolous denunciation, but couldn’t come to terms with the fact that the system was rotten. They rationalized their injustice as a mistake, while spending their free time writing to Stalin in the hopes that he will recognize the terrible mistake that had been made in their case. When they weren’t writing to Stalin, and working 12 hour shifts in the uranium mines, they debated amongst themselves the finer points of materialistic socialism to gain a deeper understanding.
Mary Help of Christians, ora pro nobis.
Archbishop Lefebvre,ora pro nobis.
‘S.Armarticus said: ‘That which Jesus taught his disciples and passed down to us will be considered a hate crime.’
it’s certainly already a thought-crime…the guilt of the gullible prevents far too many faithful from even thinking Truth. peace-peace-joy-peace-joy-joy-i’m-ok-you’re-ok (Truth and souls be damned). if only the ‘world peace’-at-the-exspense-of-Truth-adherent knew how unnatural and sedated that state is in the ‘valley of the shadow of death’.
there is Real joy in Truth – this is the world so it’s not 24-7. those who sow in tears shall reap in joy.
Another compelling & succinct offering. Thank you. Please offer an Ave, if you think of it, for my four adult children.
Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us.
This is probably the last post of this thread, so I would just like to leave off with ++Burke’s take on the EG, which is that the bishop of Rome did not intend that the EG be part of the Magisterium. (Thank God) The docs is just some reflections (lose reflections?)… Minute 21:00 of the interview has the detail:
Which leaves one with the following question: why do these lose reflections need to be put into any form of document?
“Non-Christians, by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences, can live “justified by the grace of God”, and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”.”-Pope Francis
“Of anyone says that the Sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation but are superfluous, and that without them or without the desire for them men obtain from God through faith alone the grace of justification, though all are not necessary for each one, let him be anathema.” Council of Trent, Session 7, Canon 4.
Seems Pope Francis is not only saying the Sacraments are not necessary, but even faith alone is not necessary.
He goes further than Luther.
Linda – God bless, and will do.
Come on people…didn’t you see this post from Branch? “Of course it’s the Holy Spirit. Any work of moving a soul towards God in any authentic way, even if it is not the fullness of the Catholic Faith, is still the work of the same Holy Spirit. There is only one God. If there is anything good or holy, it is of Him.” Branch- if someone is moved “toward God” by the Holy Spirit via actual grace why would the Holy Spirit, who is all truth, lead them to a religion that is a lie. All other religions are DEMONIC. Truth is not half full, or mostly full, it is ALL full. The only time the Holy Spirit is actually working is when someone is led to His Church, His Truth; i.e. Traditional Catholicism. Why would He waste his time sending people somewhere else? God bless~
There is nothing “good or holy” about Islam…it is based on the incoherent ramblings of an illiterate who wanted power, money and women. The Jews refuse to believe in Christ, the Trinity, and are now thus following a god of their own creation which is a lie. Wicca? Demonic. New Age? Demonic. Buddhism? Demonic. Hindu? Demonic. Mormonism? Man made…demonic. Same with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The ONLY religion that you could make the claim that they are not acting in the “fullness” of truth are people born into a Protestant sect. But I’m sure the HS is trying to wake them up 24/7 to lead them home. Maybe we are His wake up call army:+) God bless~
From the profession of the faith of 1st Vatican Council: “Hanc veram catholicam fidem, extra quam nemo salvus esse potest” or “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved”.
Bergoglio is bound to know 1st Vatican Council and still professes against it => no Catholic nor Pope.
Bergoglio is no different now than before his election: eg he celebrated Hanukkah (act of apostasy) in December 2012. Ratzinger, Wojtyla, Montini etc. were also deviating from the Catholic faith before their election. And The Catholic Church has defined as the permanent law that such a person cannot be pope when elected and is deprived automatically without need for any further declaration (“Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio”, 3., 6., 7.).
Due to all that considering Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyla, Montini etc. as ‘Pope’ can be fatal for eternal salvation.
By the way, note that at the 1st Vatican Council The Catholic Church professes that no one can be saved outside the Catholic faith. Thus even those whose ignorance of the Catholic faith is not culpable, that is, who are invincibly ignorant of the Catholic faith, nevertheless cannot be saved as such, that is, without the Catholic faith. It’s because God is all-powerful and can reveal the Catholic faith to such people in extraordinary ways if ordinary ways don’t suffice. Hence claiming that invincibly ignorant can be saved as such, that is, without the Catholic faith is against the Catholic faith and fatal for eternal salvation.
MMC – agree. pagans and Trinity denying religions seem willing to worship their demons with a ‘gravitas’ that most bishops and priests these days would baulk at if that virtue had to be applied at Mass.
Don’t let these men scandalize you away from the Faith. If you can’t handle hearing about the escapades of various fallen humans, no matter how exalted their office, then you should turn off the TV. Hear instead Our Lord: Matthew 16:18.
The Psalms warn you not to trust in men. If you are fool enough to let the likes of Cardinal Bergoglio to chase you out of the Church, then you are a fool indeed. Please stop trying to take others as well. This is not Emmaus. Be humble enough to realize that Christ is not going to walk with you and explain all of this, Him having already done so. Also, we must be humble enough to concede that, though we may have to declare the Faith to the very pope, we are not his judges, and can in no way depose him.
Folks, you must stay within the Barque of Peter, outside of which there is no salvation.
Paul, is it so hard for you to read the papal constitution “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio” with both English and Latin text side by side? Or you read it and have disbelieved and rejected it?
Those who read it or will read it are/will be able to see the following:
1. that you falsely accuse the Pope Paul IV and the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church from the time of the glorious Council of Trent of ignorance, misinterpretation and incompetence regarding Matthew 16:18;
2. that you unjustly disobey ex-cathedra definition of Pope Paul IV obvious from the words “by the fulness of our Apostolic Power, We enact, determine, decree and DEFINE”;
3. that the constitution is valid till the Judgment day for it says “this Our Constitution which is to remain valid in perpetuity” and that you falsely treat it as if it were not valid today;
4. that the permanent purpose of the “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio” is as it says: “lest it may befall Us to see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place.” and that you by your disbelief falsely accuse The Bible, the Pope Paul IV and the Cardinals of the holy Roman Church as liars;
5. that you falsely accuse me of an alleged attempt to judge and depose a Pope while the “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio” speaks about automatic judgment and deposition of a man who has never been a Pope.
In sum, you falsely accuse us who only follow the Pope Paul IV whose papacy no one has ever doubted and his obvious ex-cathedra definition and oppose obedience to abomination of desolation in the holy place as “non-Catholics” and “seducers” while at the same time you who disbelieve the ex-cathedra definition, who blaspheme against The Bible, the Pope and the Cardinals from the glorious Tridentine era, who falsely accuse and who obey abomination of desolation in the holy place are “Catholics”.
If you are Catholics, then Pope Paul IV and the Cardinals of the Tridentine era who approved of the “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio” like Michele Ghisleri, future Pope St. Pius V, are non-Catholics and seducers before us.
We are Catholics – nothing more, nothing less and you aren’t Catholics if you’re not with us.
Lou, while I admire your courageous commentary, on this one I think you have copped out and run away from the obvious.
It is an infallible dogma, that without faith in Christ it is impossible to please God. And there is no justification after the Resurrection except in virtue of faith in Christ. Just reference what the doctors and fathers have said on the matter.
To say what is said in Evangelii gaudium, is rank heresy. You need to call a spade a spade: Bergoglio is a heretic who denies the absolute necessity of the Christian dispensation….
“Ecclesia docta (“the taught Church”—the faithful) must uphold, then, what too many shepherds will not.”
## This shows the bankruptcy of clericalism, especially the “Pope-centred” form of it, in which the Pope is (for all practical purposes) all-wise, sinless, never to be contradicted, incapable of being deceived or unwise or wrong. This exaltation of the Pope has been in the making for centuries, & it’s reached a point at which the Pope is no longer the guardian and servant of the Faith & Tradition, but their Creator & Lord. This exaltation (“superexaltation”, might be more accurate) is now deforming things in the Faith other than the Papacy – it’s become like a black hole, sucking Catholicism into itself and deforming & destroying it.
To be Catholics, we have to stop kow-towing to the Papacy, and start & continue to think of all the things which the Petrine office created by Christ is supposed to serve. Christ is Lord of the Church – the Pope is not, and cannot be. Popes should prayed for, just like any other Catholic or anyone else, but must never be flattered or glorified or superexalted. The Church in the 1st century insisted that “Jesus Christ is Lord”, against the claims of would-be Divine Caesars – it seems the same protest needs to be made against a would-be over-mighty Papacy, for the good of the Church & the Faith.
“peace-peace-joy-peace-joy-joy-i’m-ok-you’re-ok (Truth and souls be damned). if only the ‘world peace’-at-the-exspense-of-Truth-adherent knew how unnatural and sedated that state is in the ‘valley of the shadow of death’.”
## All hail, Ren & Stimpy ! (And Pinky and the Brain)