With the appointment of Blasé Cupich to the Archdiocese of Chicago, so-called “conservatives” are lamenting the departure of Cardinal Francis George as if he’s a modern day St. Augustine.
He’s not.
At a recent speech to the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago, Cardinal George revealed himself to be just another blathering Judas in red, not entirely unlike the pandering paliaccio in New York, who also enjoys basking in the fleeting earthly rewards that come from forming chummy relationships with Our Blessed Lord’s enemies.
Throughout his speech (excerpted below), Cardinal George dutifully played the role of the contrite little goy, no doubt to the utter delight of his audience.
Those with eyes to see, however, cannot but be disgusted by the realization that Cardinal George is as much a part of the present day crisis in the Church as his successor.
… I’m going to make reference to a document that some of you have heard of and, perhaps, some have not. In Latin, its official title is Nostra Aetate. Sometimes people outside the Church don’t understand what is stable and what is policies. A document from an ecumenical council is not just a statement of policies, it’s not even midrash. It is perhaps closer to Torah.
Torah, for those who do not know, refers to the first five books of the Old Testament; it’s Sacred Scripture, the divinely inspired Word of God. This is what Cardinal George considers an apt comparison to the decrees of Vatican II!
As such, he explains:
It is something that we have to make reference to not only when it is published but for generations to come. It is a constant part now of a rather small book that contains the decrees of ecumenical councils from the fourth century up to the present time. Those aren’t reformable – they can be interpreted – but they are always there as a constant point of reference.
This is unadulterated hogwash. The text of Vatican II cannot be lumped together with the decrees of the other ecumenical councils, like Nicaea, Constantinople and Trent, as if to suggest that all are of equal, or even similar, weight.
The idea is so entirely ludicrous as to effectively discount everything that follows, but let’s continue just the same…
So it’s not a question of examining a policy statement that can be reversed. Nostra Aetate can’t change as a point of reference.
OK, so let me get this straight…
Nostra Aetate could change that which predated it (as the cardinal will explain in a moment), but this particular text from a council that produced exactly zero binding statements and de fide definitions is the irreplaceable be-all-end-all position paper to which all are bound in perpetuity, and this in spite of the fact that the document makes no such lofty claim for itself.
Further tickling the assembly’s itchy ears with what amounts to a mea culpa for the Church’s sinful past, the cardinal continues:
I say that because sometimes people remain uneasy: “We’re fine right now. What happens in the future? Will the Catholic Church change back to its being a carrier of anti-Semitism as it has been in some places over many years?” Should that happen, then it will happen in some group that is no longer living within the terms of Catholic identity as it has been defined for us by Vatican II.
Cardinal George is essentially saying that Jewish allegations of an institutionalized Catholic anti-Semitism are accurate! The man is either an ignoramus, a liar, or some miserable combination of both.
And what exactly are the “terms of Catholic identity” to which he refers?
They are the terms of the Apostolic cease fire set in motion at Vatican II wherein the Jews are no longer called to conversion. (Neither is anyone else, for that matter.)
While much of the work of the Council was aimed, therefore, at the renewal of the inner life of the Church: “Who are we?” – other aspects, equally important, involved turning the Church toward an engagement with the world in both mission and service. Who are we vis.-a-vis. others? We don’t know who we are as Catholics unless, in some fashion, we talk to everybody else.
I smell a load of Argentinian horse dung. He sounds remarkably like another Francis, does he not?
How pathetic. Here’s a supposed “Prince of the Church” effectively whimpering in self-doubt like a pimple faced college kid about to go backpacking through Europe on a journey to find himself.
I have a radical idea for Cardinal George…
Imagine a Church confident in her self-identity as the Mystical Body of Christ; a confidence reinforced every time she ponders her Founder and her Head (remember Him?) and sets about carrying out her divinely given mission to invite “everybody else” to embrace Him and the salvation that He alone offers.
Or would that be considered just a bit too “triumphalistic” under the current regime?
This way of seeing the world [at the Council] through these circles of dialogue provided a basis for the Fathers when they went on to express the religious significance of the Catholic Church’s relationship to the Jewish people. You have to understand that, from the beginning of the time of modernity and even a little before that, the stance of the Church vis.-a-vis. Others was much more defensive. It wasn’t dialogical. It was a stance generated by fears from the French Revolution and other movements that were obviously anti-Catholic and had resulted in persecution. This defensive reaction to the development of atheistic modernity had to be broken down.
To hear Cardinal George speak one would imagine that the Church never pronounced a single anathema prior to 1789 when it got all defensive up in here.
This garbage might sell well in room full of Jews looking for confirmation that the Catholic Church no longer imagines herself to be the voice of Him who said, “He who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me,” but no one with even a shred of sensus Catholicus is buying it.
The movement from defensiveness to dialogue was the purpose of the Council. Of particular importance was dialogue with the Jewish people, because that is a unique relationship. It always will be unique even though we ourselves haven’t totally determined it because we haven’t talked enough, even, perhaps, to one another.
We haven’t talked enough? He can’t be serious.
In any event, apart from his choice of words, Cardinal George is right about one thing: The Council did indeed have as its purpose the creation of a newchurch that would cease speaking in the name of Christ who calls all men to conversion. As a result, spineless churchmen of today, like himself, are content to chat it up with heathens, heretics and Jews in the language of humanism.
One of the elements of Nostra Aetate is its intentional focus on remembering. When applied to the Jewish people, Catholics are called upon to remember the anti-Judaism which was often customary among Christians throughout history, to remember anti-Semitism as a racist philosophy, and, of course, most profoundly, to return to the Shoah itself, which must never be forgotten.
Oh, yes, one must ever remember the Shoah, especially when pandering to a gathering of people whose common identity revolves around but one non-negotiable article of faith that must be embraced by all who call themselves “Jewish;” a belief not in God, but in the Holocaust.
Funny how the call to “remember” never seems to include the cries of the Jewish people for the death of their Messiah as recorded in Sacred Scripture. This, we must forget.
Nostra Aetate also extends the notion of remembering in another direction, calling on Catholics to remember the spiritual bonds which unite Jews and Christians. That remains the basis of our ongoing conversation, ensuring that neither party co-opts the other.
Exactly what “spiritual bonds” is Cardinal George talking about?
The overwhelming majority of self-identified Jews in this country, and no doubt in that very room, have exactly no spiritual patrimony with authentic Judaism much less the Holy Catholic Church.
In addition to plainly rejecting Christ (oh, yea, there’s that insignificant detail…) most modern day Jews have effectively renounced the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as evidenced by their overwhelming support for abortion-on-demand, LGBT activism and earth worship.
As for the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago itself, with its nearly $1.5 billion in assets, this is a group that leverages its considerable influence in such laudable ways as joining Planned Parenthood as cosignatories to an ACLU appeal to the U.S. Senate to block increased funding for abstinence-only-until-marriage programs.
And yet, Cardinal George continues:
You can be yourselves without us; we can’t be ourselves without you.
Speak for yourself, Eminence.
But who are you, and is our understanding of you your own understanding of yourselves? If it’s not, and in some areas of our lives and beliefs there cannot be a shared understanding, nonetheless, how can we respect that difference and even rejoice in it?
Respect and rejoice in what, the perfidy of a people whose most noteworthy distinguishing characteristic is their rejection of Christ?
This is what passes for a champion for the Faith in the eyes of most “conservative” Catholics.
A second phase involved rethinking the relationship of Jews and Christians in the light of renewed biblical studies … Biblical scholarship has helped us to understand more clearly that the first century of the Common Era was more complex than either Jewish or Christian writers of that age usually admit.
Isn’t that cute how Cardinal George so politely refers to the Year of Our Lord, Anno Domini, as the “common era” so as not to offend the sensibilities of his esteemed hosts?
Cardinal George then gets to the punchline:
Rather than the simplistic framework which saw Christianity replacing Judaism, the historical fact was that Rabbinic Judaism was already evolving, so that when the destruction of the Temple occurred in 70 C.E., Rabbinic Judaism became the form of Judaism for the new millennia and the form that we live with now and what we understand as Judaism.
Allow me to give a Catholic understanding of what Cardinal George is talking about.
Rabbinic Judaism, before Christ, grew out of the faithlessness of those stiff necked people who found themselves, as a matter of justice, in exile; removed from the Holy Land and the Temple of sacrifice that was entirely central to their covenant relationship with God.
Today, rabbinic Judaism continues to be nothing more than a dead monument attesting to the infidelity of these same people who are as yet in an infinitely greater exile; this one born of their rejection of Christ and hence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The bottom line is that rabbinic Judaism never was, and never will be, God’s will for His people; it is a manmade twist on what was once the one true faith but is no more.
The only “form of Judaism for the new millennia” ordained by God is the Holy Catholic faith, the same that the likes of Cardinal Francis George haven’t the wherewithal to preach.
Is it any wonder that a parish in the Archdiocese of Chicago, Holy Family in Inverness, recently made news by covering every image of Christ therein so Jews could use the facility for their High Holy Day liturgies?
So long, Eminence. May you be granted the grace to repent of your denial of Christ before it’s too late.
We have to remember that this poor man is dying. So prayers for his conversion are a must.
As for the rest: it’s so mind-blowingly terrifying – that my Church as sunk this low. And so fast.
Remember Jacinta and Francisco of Fatima. A 7 year old and a 9 year old gave up drinking water when they cared for their sheep for the entire month of August – in stiflingly hot Portugal – to make reparation for sins against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
I urge all of us to make sacrifices (not just prayer, as important as that is) for this pathetic man and for his salvation. The dragon’s tail swept 1/3 of the stars from heaven….and some say these stars are priests/Bishops/religious. Stars guide travellers to home port – priests/Bishops are supposed to guide us to our Home Port. I would suggest 1/3 is way low!
Great post Mr. V.
Got to hand it to cardinal George, when he goes revisionist, he goes the full nine yards.
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Bizarre statement:
“Rather than the simplistic framework which saw Christianity replacing Judaism, the historical fact was that Rabbinic Judaism was already evolving, so that when the destruction of the Temple occurred in 70 C.E., Rabbinic Judaism became the form of Judaism for the new millennia and the form that we live with now and what we understand as Judaism.”
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Bad theology is one thing, but bad history is indefensible.
Speaking of bad history, here’s a whopper.
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Historian can’t find references to Jesus anywhere in the writings of 1st to 3rd century Anno Domini writers…. despite the fact that references to Jesus are abundant.
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Story here:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/historian-declares-jesus-a-myth-despite-many-historical-references
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And they used to laugh at the Soviets for doing the same thing. 😉
And one for the out with the old (George) and in with the new (Spanish Latin NO Mass) category.
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Fr. Z has the link here.http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/10/san-diego-brick-by-brick-with-latin-novus-ordo-with-spanish-speakers/
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I know it’s NO, but hey, you got to start somewhere. 🙂
Dear Louie, Great job exposing what needs to be exposed.
Parental emotions well up reading attempts to remove the right fear of the Lord from souls with words that tickle ears. The victims become our children in that moment, and we feel caught somewhere between Jesus with the whip in His hand in the Temple, and Jesus weeping over Jerusalem.
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But then we remember to call on Our Lord, Our Lady, and the many faithful who did not fail to pass on the truths of salvation to all souls; who let the dogmatic teachings of the Church, including the revelation of the future conversion of the Jews, and the Scriptural reminder that Jesus will come suddenly; spur them on to work and pray even harder, rather than imitating shepherds who act and speak like Cardinal George did here. We pray for him, especially now, but we also need to acknowledge his errors.
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Justin Martyr (100-165A.D.) demonstrated a dialougue with the Jews based on honest concern for their salvation:
“For the circumcision according to the flesh, which is from Abraham, was given for a sign; that you may be separated from other nations, and from us; and that you alone may suffer that which you now justly suffer…For you are not recognised among the rest of men by any other mark than your fleshly circumcision….These things have happened to you in fairness and justice, for you have slain the Just One, and His prophets before Him; and now you reject those who hope in Him, and in Him who sent Him —God the Almighty and Maker of all things— cursing in your synagogues those that believe on Christ. [Dialogue with Trypho, a Jew Chapter XVI].
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Clement of Alexandria (150-215) wrote: “..the fear of the Lord was called the beginning of wisdom, being given by the Lord, through Moses, to the disobedient and hard of heart. For those whom reason convinces not, fear tames..” (The Stromata- BkII, Ch.VIII).
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Tertullian (160-225A.D.) said to the Jews: “For God, foreseeing that He was about to give this circumcision to the people of Israel for “a sign,” not for salvation, urges the circumcision of the son of Moses, their future leader…(Chapter III.—Of Circumcision and the Supercession of the Old Law)
-He also wrote: ” although the gate of forgiveness has been shut and fastened up with the bar of baptism, [God]has permitted it still to stand somewhat open. (Chapter VII.—Of Repentance, in the Case of Such as Have Lapsed After Baptism.)
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And Dogmatic Council of Trent affirmed (Jan. 13, 1547): “.. the justification of a sinner is-a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam to the state of grace and of the “adoption of the sons” of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Savior; and this translation after the promulgation of the Gospel cannot be effected except through the laver of regeneration, or a desire for it, as it is written: “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5) (DS, 796). (Decree on Justification, chapter 4).
— a rash presumptuousness in the matter of Predestination is to be avoided. No one, moreover, so long as he is in this mortal life, ought so far to presume as regards the secret mystery of divine predestination, as to determine for certain that he is assuredly in the number of the predestinate; as if it were true, that he that is justified, either cannot sin any more, or, if he do sin, that he ought to promise himself an assured repentance; for except by special revelation, it cannot be known whom God hath chosen unto Himself. (Ch XII)
Lou,
Amazing, you’ve now given me consolation to see the man go…he is a raving theological nut case…A council something like the Torah….what a buch of chestnuts…
The best part of the speech is how Cardinal George describes how Rabbinic Judaism developed after the destruction of second temple, and yet persists in calling Rabbinic Jews the elder sibling of Catholicism.
How can Rabbinic Judaism be older than the Church if the Church was founded by Christ who lived his earthly life before the destruction of the second temple?
Is it fair to say then that either Cardinal George is lying to his audience or he doesn’t believe that the Church came from Christ?
We’re sure the devil will continue till the end of time to cast absurd doubts like these into the minds of any potential followers of Christ. But for those who believe in the existence of St. Peter, the transformation of a frightened fisherman, who denied knowing Christ and ran away from the Jews to save his own life; into the leader of those who established the Church and willingly went through torture and death in His Name, leaves a monument to truth based on human nature itself. For how can a reasonable person explain that complete a change unless Peter actually witnessed the risen Lord.
Sounds like Mundabor appreciates Catholics like Mr. V, too. 🙂
From his Oct 2nd Blog : “Resistere!”
“.. Catholic laymen on the Internet are giving an example of militant orthodoxy that utterly shames those who should, in fact, be their shepherds. As most pulpits stay silent, an awful lot of keyboards are getting very, very vocal. One is reminded of the time of Athanasius:,when…it was the laity who fought against heresy with a determination that was nowhere to be seen among the clergy at large.”
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“Keep up the good work, brave Catholic men and women. Keep going to the Internet and valiantly defend the Truth. It costs time, effort and adrenalines; but all your efforts and sacrifices – and loss of friends, and mockery, and hostility of various kind – will be as many deposits on your heavenly deposit account, and bear a very rich interest one day..”
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“As our ranks become thinner… as the tireless rhetoric of easy “mercy” carries away all but the most solidly instructed and most solidly motivated – we must become even more vocal. As we are more and more insulted, we must grow in stamina and readiness to give battle…you, my dear soldiers of Christ, never forget the words calling us to action…Resist! Resist! Resist!”
http://mundabor.wordpress.com/
Cardinal George comes across as a self-loathing Catholic.
Keep up the prayers with us, please, fellow Catholics:
As ISIS is about to enter Bagdad, Canon Andrew White Delivers an Alarming Message…Horror.
–He says the air strikes are doing nothing to stop ISIS, and are killing innocent people, that only boots on the ground will help.
–He asks a soldier who is protecting the Christians, what he would do if ISIS comes. Answer: I’d take off my uniform….I’m just in this for the money.
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2014/10/canon-andrew-white-delivers-alarming.html
And another two plagues: Texas confirmed Ebola -a man who just came from Liberia was sent home accidentally and came in contact with at least 80 people-now in Quarantine. And 500 current cases as of Wednesday, of Enterovirus 68 (looks like a bad cold with fever) but can cause sudden-onset paralysis and death. At least four Americans are dead. -severe respiratory illness, now spread to 42 states, The CDC confirmed 500 cases as of Wednesday but said the number of cases is probably much higher.
The first cases -in August at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Missouri. At Children’s Mercy Hospital, health officials treated about 850 children. This alert map had only a few biohazard icons a few months ago. Now it’s covered. Chastisements are ongoing. No doubt about it.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
THE
GOSPEL
NARRATIVES
For neurotic-psychotic
“Attached” to the old,
We give you a hireling
To take care your fold.
No need for the shepherds,
Who seem so much keener,
They’ll tempt you with dreams
Of pastures much greener
And say not to mimic
Past, tolerant-barters,
So heads were cut off,
Who could dialogue with martyrs?
The shepherds tell fables,
‘Bout a man, hated, hailed,
Like you, just “attached”,
Don’t believe He was nailed!
Unfortunately for the vatican II church, the idea is that the council is a super-council that bulldozes all that went before. So, to them, it is equal if not superior to Scripture and Tradition. This seems to me to be the smoke that clouds the thinking. This is seen by how easily the Cardinal can equate Nostra Aetate to Holy Scripture. Very few cardinals or bishops priests or deacons today seem to be even remotely aware of what the Church was before their sacred council. How very sad. As for me, mentally I have exited the VII church and I do not feel bound by an ecclesial community infected by modernist heretics, communists, and fairies. The current community is not the One that I was Baptized into in 1961AD. My St. Matthew’s Church in Indian Orchard MA is now a mosque.
Louie,
A comment from Cardinal George a dozen years ago or so: We should apologize to the Jews for ever saying the Old Covenant is not in effect. Got that? Cardinal George is among those who have endorsed this error, which is now assumed by many in the Church to be true.
And I am also reminded of the unfortunate comment of Cardinal O’Connor some years before that, who on the occasion of the reversion to his original Judaism of a 20-something Catholic man, said something like: The angels must be smiling up in Heaven tonight.
Two cardinals, both regarded as “conservatives.” One in effect says that Judaism is still a viable, salvific religion; the other praises an apostate.
Thank you, Louie for a great article. Mundabor has commented recently on his
blog how more and more the laity are speaking up on the internet and putting
up a fight for the Catholic Faith, when those who should be doing so are falling down on the job. You are one such member of the laity. May God bless you!
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So sad to read about Cardinal George. But when the princes of the Church
behave in such a manner what can you expect from the lower ranks? The
article below tells about a deplorable practice that has been going on in a
Catholic church for a long time.
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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140930/news/140939973/
updated: 9/30/2014 Jews observe High Holy Days in Catholic church
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This quote from the article says it all:
“The trickiest part about hosting Beth Tikvah’s Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur
in the sanctuary of the Holy Family Catholic Church in Inverness is finding a
discreet and sensitive way to hide Jesus.”
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Hiding Jesus in His own home in the Sanctuary? Heartbreaking!
“it got all defensive up in here” – LOL!
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Truly it is astounding, pathetic, tragic, and a sign of the *diabolical* that Cardinal George is one of the “‘conservative’ good guys”. And all of your observations are spot-on as usual.
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“You can be yourselves without us; we can’t be ourselves without you.” – truly puke-worthy. The lukewarm are spit out of His mouth; what of the wet noodles?
Off topic, but necessary.
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More on the FFI and Francis’s thuggish suppression of the order.
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Over at RC this: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/friars-of-immaculate-in-peace-peace-of.html#more
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Interesting observation:
” When he was Archbishop (of Buenos Aires) it seems that Bergoglio never much liked the Mass celebrated according to the Vetus Ordo. And perhaps we have here a hint as to why as Pope he is deeply adverse towards the Franciscans of the Immaculate, who celebrated Mass according to both rites. In the Diocese of San Justo, the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate regularly offered the Missa Antiqua for the faithful at Villa Celina. This is located no more than 500 meters from General Paz Avenue [the beltway around Buenos Aires], which is within the city and diocese of Buenos Aires, which is separate from the rest of the province and other dioceses. It was the only Traditional Mass in the whole metropolitan area, practically under the nose of the future Pope, who certainly was not happy with it. And perhaps we can find here the reason for his dislike (of the FFI) and for the extraordinary persecution of that order.
This, among other things, would drive the Pope to ask for the list of the bishops who are welcoming the Friars who are leaving the Order. And this might explain why the founder of the FFI would have been prevented from being allowed to pray at the tomb of his parents. Not even regarding the Legionaries of Maciel, or other situations that were truly problematical, have such steps been taken as they have been with respect to the FFI. And this under the banner of mercy.”
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Small, petty, vindictive man?
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If the shoe fits……
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PS Obedience is expected…. but when itcame to the SP, non was given in Buenos Aires.
And this….
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Proper Catholic Mass at Harvard…. and on the 440th anniversary of the victory at Lepanto no less.
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Link here: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/event-harvard-tlm-on-feast-of-our-lady.html
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Triumphalism in proper context. 😉
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PS Need to return to active commemoration of the battle of Lepanto (Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary) along with the battle of Vienna (Feast of The Most Holy Name of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Great Siege of Malta, since we soon might be reliving them.
And some eye candy.
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Over at Fr. Z’s blog: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/10/how-many-little-flowers-does-it-take-to-make-a-bouquet/
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Little flowers… everywhere. 🙂
In effect Vatican II has ‘disposed’ of the New Covenant, denied the Blood of Christ, denies divine revelation in favour of a story pounded by infidels of two millenia. How much infidel does anyone need before they start to call an infidel and infidel – as in not Catholic?
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In the Gospel, Christ speaks of two ‘end times’. In one instance He refers to ‘these days’ (that is the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple and the end of any vestige of the ‘old covenant’). The other is the mention of ‘those days’, that is the end of the world proper. With regard to the ‘these days’ He was clear, all Grace, all vestige of bond was dissolved between God and those people formerly known as the ‘Jews’ with their utter viscious rejection of their and our – everyone’s only and True Messiah, and the complete destruction of the Jerusalem Temple.
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So why do these liars speak in the robes of the Church?
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“The prophecies of the Apocalypse show that Satan will imitate the Church of Christ to deceive mankind; he will set up a church of Satan in opposition to the Church of Christ.
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“Antichrist will assume the role of Messias; his prophet will act the part of Pope, and there will be imitations of the Sacraments of the Church. There will also be lying wonders in imitation of the miracles wrought in the Church.
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“And, there seems to be no reason why a false Church might not become universal, even more universal than the true one, at least for a time.”
” The followers of Antichrist will be marked with a character in imitation of the sign that St. John saw upon the foreheads of the servants of God. This indicates that Antichrist and his prophet will introduce ceremonies to imitate the Sacraments of the Church. In fact there will be a complete organization ―― a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ. Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be honored as Saviour, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope. Their ceremonies will counterfeit the Sacraments and their works of magic be heralded as miracles. A similar project was attempted in the fourth century when Julian the Apostate counterfeited Catholic worship with pagan ceremonies in honor of Mithras and Cybele. He established a priesthood and instituted ceremonies in imitation of Baptism and Confirmation.”
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Rev. E. Sylvester Berry, D.D.
http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/Judaism%20vs%20Christianity%2003-10-96%20-%20Bp%20Sanborn.mp3
The True Church is always the immovable object and/or the irresitable force – in other words, all else must adjust to Her Truth. The Vatican II Church is the movable object and the resistable force; it has ‘adjusted’ to all manner of error, the dead convenant being one amongst many, therefore it is not Church.
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“Only until all schismatics and Protestants profess the Catholic Creed with conviction, when all Jews voluntarily ask for Holy Baptism – only then will the Immaculata have reached its goals.” St Maximilian Kolbe.
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“Put down heresy so far as you can, and hold in especial abhorrence Jews, and all sorts of people who are hostile to the Faith, so that your land may be well purged of them, in such manner as, by the sage counsel of good people, may appear to you advisable.” Saint Louis IX
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“[This council] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosiac law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors.” Council of Florence, Decree Cantate Domino.
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“And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area — He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the house of Israel [see Mt 15:24] — the Law and the Gospel were together in force; but on the gibbet of his death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees, fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race. “To such an extent, then,” says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, “was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom….On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death, in order to give way to the New Testament of which Christ had chosen the Apostles as qualified ministers.” Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis
Depending on how one looks at the situation, in view of this shocking speech calling Cardinal George a “Judas” is either faint praise or an insult to Judas!
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In any case, it seems that there is much here that can be discussed further. One chilling aspect of this speech is that Cardinal George seems to be suggesting that those who hold the traditional Catholic position on these issues are on their own so to speak: “Should that happen [anti-semitism arise among Catholics], then it will happen in some group that is no longer living within the terms of Catholic identity as it has been defined for us by Vatican II.” So those who hold the traditional position that the old covenant is not a source of salvation are anti-semitic? Is this a green light to organized jewry that traditionalists are fair game and won’t be defended by the institutional church? If so, he should have brought a trad along to kiss and to hand over!
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Further, he seems to have concocted a nice little phrase that is meant to intentionally contradict Our Lord. Contrast Cardinal George:
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“You can be yourselves without us; we can’t be ourselves without you.”
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With Our Lord:
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“He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.”
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The clear implication of Our Lord is that those who are not with Him SCATTER so it is not true that the jews “can be [them]selves without us [by extension Our Lord]”. This is true as a practical reality since jewry are as splintered as the protestants – three brands – orthodox, conservative, reform; no common belief or practice, etc. Further, we as Catholics only need Our Lord to be ourselves – we certainly don’t need “dialogue with our elder brothers in the faith”.
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Not to be a wag, but is it possible that Cardinal George never read Matthew 15?:
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“Then came to him from Jerusalem scribes and Pharisees, saying:
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the ancients? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:
Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death.
But you say: Whosoever shall say to father or mother, The gift whatsoever proceedeth from me, shall profit thee.
And he shall not honour his father or his mother: and you have made void the commandment of God for your tradition.
Hypocrites, well hath Isaias prophesied of you, saying:
This people honoureth me with their lips: but their heart is far from me.
And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.
And having called together the multitudes unto him, he said to them: Hear ye and understand.
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Then came his disciples, and said to him: Dost thou know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word, were scandalized?
But he answering them, said: Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit.
And Peter answering, said to him: Expound to us this parable.
But he said: Are you also yet without understanding?
Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy?
But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man.
For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.
These are the things that defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands doth not defile a man.
And Jesus went from thence, and retired into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
And behold a woman of Canaan who came out of those coasts, crying out, said to him: Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David: my daughter is grieviously troubled by the devil.
Who answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying: Send her away, for she crieth after us:
And he answering, said: I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel.
But she came and adored him, saying: Lord, help me.
Who answering, said: It is not good to take the bread of the children, and to cast it to the dogs.
But she said: Yea, Lord; for the whelps also eat of the crumbs that fall from the table of their masters.
Then Jesus answering, said to her: O woman, great is thy faith: be it done to thee as thou wilt: and her daughter was cured from that hour.”
Before Vatican II the Church was very clear in its teaching that the New Covenant of the Gospel replaced the Old Covenant of the Jews.
As well, there are many references in the Gospels about those who deny Jesus and His Church.
For example, Luke 10:16
He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
That is saying that those who deny Jesus and His Church deny God Himself.
BREAKING
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Bishop Fellay’s interview after meeting with cd. Muller.
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Link at RC here: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/interview-fellay-speaks-about-meeting.html
And a fitting rebuttal.
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Bishop Fellay:
” You were received by Cardinal Müller on September 23rd. The communiqué from the Vatican Press Office repeats the language of the 2005 communiqué issued after your meeting with Benedict XVI, which already said that the parties would “proceed gradually and over a reasonable period of time… with a view to the envisioned full communion.” The 2014 communiqué, on the other hand, speaks about “full reconciliation.” Does this mean that you are starting over at the beginning?
Yes and no, depending on the perspective that you take. There is nothing new, in the sense that both our interlocutors and ourselves, we realize that doctrinal differences still exist—which had been made quite clear during the theological discussions in 2009-2011—and that because of this we were unable to sign the Doctrinal Preamble that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has proposed to us since 2011.
But what is new?
There is a new pope and a new prefect heading the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. And this recent interview shows that neither they nor we want a break in our relations: both parties insist that it is necessary to clarify the doctrinal questions before there is any canonical recognition. This is why, for their part, the Roman authorities are demanding the endorsement of the Doctrinal Preamble which, for our part, we cannot sign because of its ambiguities.
Another new fact is the current aggravation of the crisis in the Church. On the eve of the Synod on the Family, serious, well-founded criticisms made by several cardinals against Cardinal Kasper’s proposals about communion for the divorced-and-remarried are coming to light. This has not been seen in Rome since the criticisms by Cardinal Ottaviani and Bacci in their Short Critical Study on the New Order of Mass (the “Ottaviani Intervention” of 1969). But what has not changed is the fact that the Roman authorities still do not take our criticisms of the Council into account, because to them they seem secondary or even illusory, given the severe problems in the Church today. These authorities do recognize the crisis that is convulsing the Church at the highest level—now among cardinals—but they do not consider that the Council itself could be the main cause of this unprecedented crisis. It is like a dialogue of deaf people.
Can you give a specific example?
Cardinal Kasper’s proposals in favor of communion for divorced-and-remarried persons are an illustration of what we blame on the Council. In the talk that he gave to the cardinals during the Consistory on February 20th of this year, he proposed doing again what was done at the Council, namely: reaffirming Catholic doctrine while offering pastoral overtures. In his various interviews with journalists he harps on this distinction between doctrine and pastoral practice. He says that theoretically doctrine cannot change, but he introduces the notion that concretely, in reality, there are some situations in which the doctrine cannot be applied. Then, in his opinion, only a pastoral approach is capable of finding solutions… at the expense of doctrine.
For our part, we blame the Council for making this artificial distinction between doctrine and pastoral practice, because pastoral practice must follow from doctrine. Through multiple pastoral concessions, substantial changes have been introduced in the Church, and its doctrine has been affected. This is what happened during and after the Council, and we denounce the same strategy that is being used today against the morality of marriage.
But was it only pastoral changes in the Council that indirectly affected doctrine?
No, we are in fact obliged to note that serious changes were made in doctrine itself: religious liberty, collegiality, ecumenism…. But it is true that these changes appear more clearly and more evidently in their concrete pastoral applications, because in the conciliar documents they are presented as simple overtures, just hinted at, with much left unsaid….which makes them, in the words of my predecessor, Fr. Schmidberger, “time bombs.”
In the proposals of Cardinal Kasper, where do you see a pastoral application that makes more evident a doctrinal change introduced during the Council? Where do you see a “time bomb?”
In the interview that he granted to the Vaticanist Andrea Tornielli on September 18th, the Cardinal says: “Church doctrine is not a closed system: the Second Vatican Council teaches us that there is a development, meaning that it is possible to look into this further. I wonder if a deeper understanding similar to what we saw in ecclesiology, is possible in this case (i.e. that of divorced Catholics who have remarried civilly). Although the Catholic Church is Christ’s true Church, there are elements of ecclesiality beyond the institutional boundaries of the Church too. Couldn’t some elements of sacramental marriage also be recognized in civil marriages in certain cases? For example, the lifelong commitment, mutual love and care, Christian life and a public declaration of commitment that does not exist in common-law marriages.”
Cardinal Kasper is quite logical and perfectly consistent: he proposes applying pastorally to marriage the new principles concerning the Church that were spelled out at the Council in the name of ecumenism: there are elements of ecclesiality outside the Church. He moves logically from ecclesial ecumenism to matrimonial ecumenism. Thus, in his opinion, there are elements of Christian marriage outside of the sacrament. To look at things concretely, just ask spouses what they would think of “ecumenical” marital fidelity or fidelity in diversity! Similarly, what are we supposed to think about a so-called “ecumenical” doctrinal unity that is united in diversity? This sort of result is what we denounce, but the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith either does not see it or else does not accept it.
How are we to understand the expression from the Vatican communiqué: “proceed gradually?”
The mutual desire of Rome and in the Society of Saint Pius X to continue doctrinal discussions in a broader, less formal framework than in the previous discussions.
But if the doctrinal discussions in 2009-2011 accomplished nothing, what good is it to resume them, even in a broader fashion?
Because, following the example of Archbishop Lefebvre, who never refused to go to Rome at the invitation of the Roman authorities, we always respond to those who ask us about the reasons for our fidelity to Tradition. We could not shirk this responsibility, and we will fulfill it in the spirit and with the obligations that were defined by the last General Chapter.
But since you just mentioned the audience that Benedict XVI granted me in 2005, I remember saying then that we wanted to show that the Church would be stronger in today’s world if it upheld Tradition; I would also add: if it proudly recalled its bi-millennial Tradition. I say it again today, we wish to contribute our witness: if the Church wants to end the tragic crisis that it is going through, Tradition is the response to this crisis. This is how we manifest our filial piety toward eternal Rome, to the Church, the mother and teacher of truth, to whom we are deeply devoted.
You say that this is about giving witness; it is not rather a profession of faith?
One does not exclude the other. Our Founder liked to say that the theological arguments with which we profess the faith are not always understood by our Roman interlocutors, but that does not relieve us of the duty to recall them. Moreover, with his characteristic supernatural realism, Archbishop Lefebvre added that the concrete accomplishments of Tradition: the seminaries, schools, priories, the number of priests, brothers and sisters, of seminarians and lay faithful, also had a great value as proof. Against these tangible facts no specious argument can hold up: contra factum non fit argumentum. In the present case, we could translate this Latin adage by the saying of Jesus Christ, “A tree is judged by its fruits.” And in this sense, while professing the faith, we must give witness to the vitality of Tradition.”
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Nuff said.
So I understand Cardinal George as implicitly concluding in his statement:
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“Rather than the simplistic framework which saw Christianity replacing Judaism, the historical fact was that Rabbinic Judaism was already evolving, so that when the destruction of the Temple occurred in 70 C.E., Rabbinic Judaism became the form of Judaism for the new millennia and the form that we live with now and what we understand as Judaism.”
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that rabbinic judaism is effectively a new religion, and that it finds its roots prior to the destruction of the Temple. Cardinal George leaves unsaid whether those roots date back to the time of Our Lord which is only a few decades earlier. If so, as indicated by Matthew 15 and as echoed by Mr. V in this post – Our Lord had already passed judgement on the religion of the pharisees as a man-made bastardization of the faith of Moses:
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“And in vain do they worship Me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men”.
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So when Mr. V. concludes that “The bottom line is that rabbinic Judaism never was, and never will be, God’s will for His people; it is a manmade twist on what was once the one true faith but is no more” he is not drawing a tenuous conclusion from obscure texts but is quoting none other than Our Lord and
His Own judgment! It goes without saying who is Cardinal George to contradict Our Lord!
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Continuing with Cardinal George two questions. According to you Cardinal George, when did rabbinic judaism reject “the doctrines and commandments of men” that made the pharisaic judaism of Our Lord’s time a false faith in the judgment of Our Lord? And for the second question Cardinal George, do you consider the admittedly new religion of rabbinic judaism to be a revealed religion inspired by the Almighty Himself? As a complete response to question 2, kindly point out the documents that establish rabbinic judaism as a revealed religion. In providing a complete response to question 2, also please explain why the Almighty would confusingly establish another revealed religion to operate in competition with that established by Our Lord only a few decades earlier? Keep in mind Cardinal George that Our Lord himself may have already taken a position on who the source of this new religion was in John 8: 42 – 47.
And this. In the face of the onslaught of Francis’s reign of terror: “New Catholic Mass in England pops up”
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Link here: http://www.lmschairman.org/2014/10/new-ef-sunday-mass-from-this-sunday.html
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“It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood!”
The comment “simplistic framework” shows the evolutionary mind at work. The Plan set in place for man, by Almighty God no less, is just too simple for the modern mind. We’re so past that! We have become mature christians (deliberate lower case). And the old plan goes into the garbage.
Yes, St. Peter saw Our Lord after His Resurrection. But don’t forget a KEY event: The decent of the Holy Ghost upon Peter and the Apostles. They were given infused knowledge – in fact all the Gifts of the Holy Ghost. That’s why they were able to rush out and start teaching the truth when they had been terrified before.
This is what Confirmation does for those who are disposed to receive the Gifts. Catholics after receiving these Gifts are supposed to rush out and teach – some as actual teachers, but the rest by living out the Gifts – you know, the Church Militant?
Pius XII had it right: the Jewish ‘religion’ must be resisted to the death because it is false and dangerous. Individual Jews must be saved from death because they were being murdered by the millions by the Nazis and others. All Jews must be taught the truth and encouraged to convert to the One True Faith.
Imagine. Real balance.
Why do I always feel refreshed after reading interviews by Bishop Fellay? Could it be the clarity? Could it be the wonderful, old ideas clothed in fresh, easily understood language? Could it be Our Dear Lord giving us this man as a beacon?
The more I hear what Bishop Fellay says the more I want to get on a plane for Rome and yell into the Holy Father’s ear: WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND?
Dear Barbara:
The reason that you feel refreshed after hearing Bishop Fellay speak is because he speaks the TRUTH. The TRUTH is easy to understand.
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Whereas falsehood needs to be covered up. Disguised. But no matter how well you disguise it, it still stinks.
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Putting lipstick on a pig”. Nothing more, nothing less.
Really important point. It’s the same mindset that led them to bypass Our Lady’s request to consecrate Russia—too simple to convert the world from sin to holiness through an act that demonstrates the uniqueness of the Catholic Church and it’s devotion to Our Queen and Mother whose Immaculate Heart wants to intercede for all souls..
Very good article. I remember when Cardinal George was President of the USCCB and how squishy and wimpy he was in that role. Of all the times to be forcefully orthodox, that would’ve been it. Then he went back to being our Cardinal here in Chicago. At times, in rare moments, he’d issue a letter or article that had a glimmer of orthodoxy and fire-in-the-belly.
I see now, however, that we’ve just become accustomed to the VII version of priests, bishops and cardinals so we expect so very little, and are pleased with any little crumb that we can grab.
And now…Cupich. I fear the further damage he’s going to do here. But Cardinal George set the stage for this guy.
“pandering paliaccio” is a superb description.
Excellent article Louie.
Father Dickson’s latest blogpost– “A Challenge To ‘Modernising’ Catholics ”
(refreshing humility and wisdom):
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“.. The favourite adage of the Modernising Catholic (that “faith is caught, not taught”) harbours a significant error..”
“..being nice with people establishes human communion, not communion with God who is Truth.”
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“The hypocrisy of Modernising Catholics is disturbing. They claim to be inclusive yet they have no hesitation in being rather brutal with Traditional Catholics (note the way the FFI are being treated by the ‘pastoral’ Church). Yet Traditional Catholics simply want to worship in the Traditional Catholic way, and hand on the Catholic Faith as it was received. ”
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…”As Robert De Piante said, “We believe what you once believed. We worship as you once worshipped. If we are wrong now, you were wrong then. If you were right then, we are right now”. I venture to add: if you say you were wrong before, you have admitted you are unreliable: how can anyone trust you now? How can you even trust yourselves? ”
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” Are you a ‘Modernising Catholic’ convinced of the modernising aggiornamento; afraid to give Tradition full and complete freedom? Then you instinctively know what the Holy Ghost is saying and where He is leading, and are fighting against Him. Beware…”
http://catholiccollarandtie.blogspot.com/
Dear Barbara,
We hadn”t forgotten the Holy Spirit, but thanks for the great reminders, anyway.
(The ideas in the article we were addressing were those of a writer who claimed Jesus was a myth, and would likely believe even less in the Divine intervention of Pentecost. So we took the Aquinas approach using human-reason and the natural inclinations of man, to demonstrate that Faith and reason are very compatible, and that it is actually easier to believe Peter saw Jesus alive after the Crucifixion, than to believe otherwise.).
Dear Mar,
We also enjoyed Mundabor’s “appreciation” blog, and quoted some of it in comment #8 above, -for anyone interested. 🙂
Dear Catholic Thinker,
Same reaction here to that revolting line.
Sick-o- phant – acy.
Dear Cyprian,
Great comments. And we are labeled “anti-semitic” by the modernists –just as Jesus was by the heretics of His time, because we follow Him, and we know the truth which sets us free:
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Matthew 10:6-7 ; 14; 33.
“But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
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“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. [15] Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. ”
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…”he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. ”
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John 8:23-24;31-32
[21] .. Jesus said to them: I go, and you shall seek me, and you shall die in your sin. [23] And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world. [24] Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.
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[31] Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed. [32] And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
p.s. This was in response to your comment #22.
Truly sickening. Horrific that these words come from an official Prince of the Church. The speech shows denial of, and contempt for, the One True Faith that is the ONLY means of salvation for ALL people – yes, including Jews. Why did Christ become man and suffer His Holy Passion and Death, Rise from the Dead, create His Holy Apostolic Church, send the Holy Spirit to Peter and the Apostles????? What was all THAT for? So the members of Christ’s Church could have a friendly relationship with the Jews who continue to deny Christ? Blessed Michael the archangel, defend us in battle . . .
The Cardinal is simply kissing up to his, and the whole NO hierarchy true masters , The Jews. Vatican II was the overthrow of the Catholic Church, and replaced with the Judeo -Masonic religion. No one becomes a “Pope” , Cardinal , Bishop or even saint , in the New Church , unless they submit to the Jewish overlords.
The American people are being told that a new boogie man exists in the Middle East that must be destroyed. That this new ISIS will come to their shores and start killing them. What the Yankees need to ask themselves is :
Does ISIS control the Media, Hollywood, Their Financial Institutions, Educational Institutions, Control their Economic and Foreign policies ??? Invade their homes with porn, communism, divorce, women’s “rights” , Hippie BS ??
The Jews hate Christians just as much, if not more than ISIS or any Muslim for that matter. The ” Synagogue of Satan ” and their goyim, useful Idiots , Like the fake cardinal George,must be resisted and exposed at all costs. Them not ISIS are the real threat.
Louie, a great article. However, a defense of Judas is in order. Judas is a giant in comparison to Cdl George. Both Peter and Judas denied Christ. The difference was Peter repented and begged for forgiveness. Judas did not and hung himself. He exited stage left if you will which could be considered “honorable” given the monstrosity of his sin and complete apostasy. By comparison Cdl George has had 2000+ years of continous history to undeniably confirm the fact that all Truth is centered in the OTF founded by Christ, the Son of God. At least Judas had the decency to leave, albeit quickly, dramatically and permanently. Cdl George is a heretic, fraud and coward. Judas doesn’t look so bad after all?
It’s 1968 all over again.
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Secret Synod about to begin.
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Rorate Caeli has the story:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-synod-will-be-farce-if-kasper.html#more
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Final thought:
“And what is also a little surprising – possibly it’s our ignorance, and if so, we are willing to make amends – is the strange passivity of non-reaction by the media to the news that, for the first time, in order to know about the Synod, they will have to steer a middle course between an official position and rumor, without checking any [original] documents.”
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Loose lips sink ships. 🙂
MORE ON THE “SECRET SYNOD”
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Link here: http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-synod-will-be-original-and-innovative-limited-public-information
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Can’t let the prols know what we put in the sausage. 😉
.. and it’s not just Catholic doctrine that is being “transformed”.
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This over at the Moonbattery blog via PewSitter: Obama Thinks “No Power on Earth” Can Stop Him Regarding Amnesty and Demographic Transformation of America”.”
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Link here: http://moonbattery.com/?p=51076
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Just like with Stalin’s “Five Year Plans for the Transformation of Nature”, we know how this movie will end.
And we know who is paying for the “transformation”.
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$ 4 Million rfderal grant to USCCB to provide legal aid to illegal aliens.
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Story here:http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22804
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Article states:
“The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops will receive a federal grant of over $4 million over the next two years to provide legal aid to unaccompanied immigrant children who have entered the United States.”
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Pocket change.
Which is it? do people want a random reprobate rabbi? or the True saviour of the wretched human race?
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http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/francis-jews-chosen-people.htm
And what would a SECRET SYNOD be without a theme song?
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Story here: http://thatthebonesyouhavecrushedmaythrill.blogspot.com/2014/10/kaspers-controversial-theme-song-for.html
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Hey, the devil is just like one of us.
and this. Francis creates Papa JAIL.
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Yes, it’s for those dastardly FFI types.
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Link here: http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2014/10/the-ffi-situation-just-got-lot-worse.html
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Further, Vopli is said to have imposed the canonical censure while violating all the canonical rules that govern its imposition. Specifically, “normal procedure that includes the right to defense and only after two admonitions administered within a certain period of time. Commissioner Volpi instead communicated to the Friars the admonitions and the suspension at the same time, sending three letters at the same time, and in this way lacking the formal conformity to norms that is expected in these situations. ”
As if this was all not bad enough, nobody will allowed to leave the order for three years!!
That. Is. Insane.
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Insane? Why yes. Mercy…. of the Francis kind.
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Like the old adage says: “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime”. 😉
Sorry, for all the postings but this one is a must.
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Comes from Fr. Z. B/t/w love the guy, even though my comments continuously get dinged. But I forgive.
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Excellent guidance for seminarian who are the victims of N.O. haters.
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Link here: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/10/ask-father-can-bishoprector-forbid-seminarians-from-attending-extraordinary-form/
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Underground Church forming. It’s Tudor England, all over again.
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Keep your head down and stay in your foxhole, son! 😉
According to Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) all the members of the Jewish United Fund will be lost forever if they do not convert into the Catholic Church.Since they do not have ‘faith and baptism’ needed for salvation.
Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 since it does not state that there are known exceptions in the present times (2014) to all Jews needing Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to avoid Hell.
Nostra Aetate also does not state that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The teachihg of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus , defined three times, is the same as Ad Gentes 7 .It is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 under the title Outside the Church No Salvation.
Thirdly, we personally do not know any one this year or over the years who has been saved without faith and baptism or who is going to be saved as such.
I say that because sometimes people remain uneasy: “We’re fine right now. What happens in the future? Will the Catholic Church change back to its being a carrier of anti-Semitism as it has been in some places over many years?” Should that happen, then it will happen in some group that is no longer living within the terms of Catholic identity as it has been defined for us by Vatican II.-Cardinal George
Ad Gentes 7 is traditional. There is no change in Church ecclesiology according to Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14). The Council does not mention any exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. NA 2,LG 16,LG 8, UR 3 etc refer to cases known only to God and who are not visible on earth.
Since there is no known salvation outside the Church there can be no change in traditional ecclesiology. There can be no basis for a theology of religions since there is no salvation visible to us outside the Church.Every one needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell since we do not know of any one saved in 2014 with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.
Nostra Aetate also extends the notion of remembering in another direction, calling on Catholics to remember the spiritual bonds which unite Jews and Christians. That remains the basis of our ongoing conversation, ensuring that neither party co-opts the other. -Cardinal George
We have spiritual bonds, we have things in common, but Judaism presently is wthout the Messiah(Jesus), without the Sacrifice(The Mass), without the Temple(the Church), without the Ark of the Covenant(The Eucharist),without the Eternal Covenent and they are no more the people of God, the Elect. Vatican Council II says Catholics are ‘the new people of God’ (Nostra Aetate).
The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion and outside the Church there is no salvation.Jews are outside the Church since they do not have ‘faith and baptism'( AG 7).
Cardinal George did not tell the Jews that we Catholics believe after Vatican Council II, that they all need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell ( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).The dogma refers to the fires of Hell.
Jesus tells us that there are some Jews whose father is the devil and he refers to ‘the synagogue of Satan’.The Jewish Left today is pro Gommorrah, abortion, legal atheism and other things Satanic.They are also opposed by good Jews, orthodox Jews, who believe and live the Ten Commandments of Moses,which is good, but not enough for salvation as God the Father has decided (CCC 845).
Frater Zeigeist…interesting bloke. Read/s Frankie through Benny, whilst ripping his ‘parishioners’ for trips, Amodotcombooks, expenses, and general ‘hilarity’…..what actually does this chap ‘ordained’ by Wojtyla, the hater of the first commandment, contribute to the True Church.
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p.s. anyone who believes in Bergoglio’s ‘protestant brother bishops’ might be interested to know that a whole bunch of them are expecting the ‘protetestant rapture’ to occur on the 8th at the ‘blood moon’ over the feast of the’tabernacles’ of the rabbis’ dead and false religion. Yep, folks, these are the peeps and the creeds your ‘pope’ is supporting.
Dear Jacobum
You wrote: ” a defense of Judas is in order. Judas is a giant in comparison [to C.George].. Judas…hung himself… He exited stage left if you will which could be considered “honorable” given the monstrosity of his sin and complete apostasy. ” .. “At least Judas had the decency to leave, albeit quickly, dramatically and permanently.” … Judas doesn’t look so bad after all?”
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Just in case you were not attempting to be entirely sarcastic about that,
[as too many people today seriously believe that way] Catholic teaching says despair is a mortal sin, so what Judas did in hanging himself [ and since our Lord counted him as “lost”] was not “decent” or “defendable” in truth. And the Catholic Encyclopedia says -“while despair is not considered as great a sin as explicit hatred of God or formal heresy or apostasy, its power for working harm in the human soul is fundamentally far greater than other sins inasmuch as it cuts off the way of escape.”
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The reasons it is objectively mortal sin are due to rejecting the promises and assistance of God for salvation-deciding salvation is impossible because the person’s sins are too great to be forgiven; or it’s too hard to cooperate with the grace of God; or God is unwilling to aid the weakness or pardon the offenses.
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The scandalous approval of suicide has now resulted in assisted suicide becoming legal in Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Columbia, Quebec Canada(June,2014) and in the U.S. in Oregon, Montana, Washington State and Vermont. As Catholics we have an obligation to oppose this thinking and the sins it approves.
Other than the rampant historical and theological errors, what strikes me about this Prince of the Church are his philosophical and metaphysical errors. He seems obsessed with echoing 19th Century progressive German and Hegelian idealism: you know, the ‘thesis’ can only know itself in contrast with the ‘antithesis’. In Card. George’s case, he implies that Catholicism can only understand itself in dialogue with the ‘other’, in this case ‘rabbinical Judaism’. This whole progressive metaphysics presupposes that the Church’s truth is never absolute nor ever objective.
Perhaps from a human point of view where all knowledge comes from the senses there is a development of experiential knowledge, but this can’t be the case with the Church, whose truths derive from the deposit of faith infused by the Holy Spirit in Pentecost, revealing the truth that when we see the Son we see the Father, and that everything the Father has he gave to his Son, who gave his everything to his bride.
Ah! The Rhine continues to flow into the Tiber.
Cardinal George speaks of the binding nature of certain Church pronouncements – I wonder if he has ever considered that he is bound by the decrees of VI:
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Session 3 : 24 April 1870
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“Dogmatic constitution on the Catholic faith
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8. With this impiety spreading in every direction, it has come about, alas, that many even among the children of the Catholic Church have strayed from the path of genuine piety, and as the truth was gradually diluted in them, their Catholic sensibility was weakened. Led away by diverse and strange teachings [4] and confusing nature and grace, human knowledge and divine faith, they are found to distort the genuine sense of the dogmas which Holy mother Church holds and teaches, and to endanger the integrity and genuineness of the faith.
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Chapter 2
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1. The same Holy mother Church holds and teaches that God, the source and end of all things, can be known with certainty from the consideration of created things, by the natural power of human reason : ever since the creation of the world, his invisible nature has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. [13]
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2. It was, however, pleasing to his wisdom and goodness to reveal himself and the eternal laws of his will to the human race by another, and that a supernatural, way. This is how the Apostle puts it : In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son [14].
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3. It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation, that those matters concerning God which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error.
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5. Now this supernatural revelation, according to the belief of the universal Church, as declared by the sacred Council of Trent, is contained in written books and unwritten traditions, which were received by the apostles from the lips of Christ himself, or came to the apostles by the dictation of the Holy Spirit, and were passed on as it were from hand to hand until they reached us [16].
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6. The complete books of the old and the new Testament with all their parts, as they are listed in the decree of the said Council and as they are found in the old Latin Vulgate edition, are to be received as sacred and canonical.
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7. These books the Church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed by unaided human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the Church.
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9. In consequence, it is not permissible for anyone to interpret Holy Scripture in a sense contrary to this, or indeed against the unanimous consent of the fathers.
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1. Since human beings are totally dependent on God as their creator and lord, and created reason is completely subject to uncreated truth, we are obliged to yield to God the revealer full submission of intellect and will by faith.
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2. This faith, which is the beginning of human salvation, the Catholic Church professes to be a supernatural virtue, by means of which, with the grace of God inspiring and assisting us, we believe to be true what He has revealed, not because we perceive its intrinsic truth by the natural light of reason, but because of the authority of God himself, who makes the revelation and can neither deceive nor be deceived.
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3. Faith, declares the Apostle, is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen [17].
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4. Nevertheless, in order that the submission of our faith should be in accordance with reason, it was God’s will that there should be linked to the internal assistance of the Holy Spirit external indications of his revelation, that is to say divine acts, and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infinite knowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all.
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6. Now, although the assent of faith is by no means a blind movement of the mind, yet no one can accept the gospel preaching in the way that is necessary for achieving salvation without the inspiration and illumination of the Holy Spirit, who gives to all facility in accepting and believing the truth [20].
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7. And so faith in itself, even though it may not work through charity, is a gift of God, and its operation is a work belonging to the order of salvation, in that a person yields true obedience to God himself when he accepts and collaborates with his grace which he could have rejected.
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8. Wherefore, by divine and Catholic faith all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in Scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium.
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9. Since, then, without faith it is impossible to please God [21] and reach the fellowship of his sons and daughters, it follows that no one can ever achieve justification without it, neither can anyone attain eternal life unless he or she perseveres in it to the end.
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10. So that we could fulfill our duty of embracing the true faith and of persevering unwaveringly in it, God, through his only begotten Son, founded the Church, and he endowed his institution with clear notes to the end that she might be recognized by all as the guardian and teacher of the revealed word.
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11. To the Catholic Church alone belong all those things, so many and so marvelous, which have been divinely ordained to make for the manifest credibility of the Christian faith.
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15. Consequently, the situation of those, who by the heavenly gift of faith have embraced the Catholic truth, is by no means the same as that of those who, led by human opinions, follow a false religion; for those who have accepted the faith under the guidance of the Church can never have any just cause for changing this faith or for calling it into question.
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1. The perpetual agreement of the Catholic Church has maintained and maintains this too: that there is a twofold order of knowledge, distinct not only as regards its source, but also as regards its object.
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2. With regard to the source, we know at the one level by natural reason, at the other level by divine faith.
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3. With regard to the object, besides those things to which natural reason can attain, there are proposed for our belief mysteries hidden in God which, unless they are divinely revealed, are incapable of being known.
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Wherefore, when the Apostle, who witnesses that God was known to the gentiles from created things [29], comes to treat of the grace and truth which came by Jesus Christ [30], he declares: We impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification. None of the rulers of this age understood this. God has revealed it to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God [31]. And the Only-begotten himself, in his confession to the Father, acknowledges that the Father has hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to the little ones [32].
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4. Now reason, does indeed when it seeks persistently, piously and soberly, achieve by God’s gift some understanding, and that most profitable, of the mysteries, whether by analogy from what it knows naturally, or from the connection of these mysteries with one another and with the final end of humanity; but reason is never rendered capable of penetrating these mysteries in the way in which it penetrates those truths which form its proper object.
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For the divine mysteries, by their very nature, so far surpass the created understanding that, even when a revelation has been given and accepted by faith, they remain covered by the veil of that same faith and wrapped, as it were, in a certain obscurity, as long as in this mortal life we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, and not by sight [33].
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5. Even though faith is above reason, there can never be any real disagreement between faith and reason, since it is the same God who reveals the mysteries and infuses faith, and who has endowed the human mind with the light of reason.
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6. God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever be in opposition to truth. The appearance of this kind of specious contradiction is chiefly due to the fact that either the dogmas of faith are not understood and explained in accordance with the mind of the Church, or unsound views are mistaken for the conclusions of reason.
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7. Therefore we define that every assertion contrary to the truth of enlightened faith is totally false [34].
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8. Furthermore the Church which, together with its apostolic office of teaching, has received the charge of preserving the deposit of faith, has by divine appointment the right and duty of condemning what wrongly passes for knowledge, lest anyone be led astray by philosophy and empty deceit [35].
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9. Hence all faithful Christians are forbidden to defend as the legitimate conclusions of science those opinions which are known to be contrary to the doctrine of faith, particularly if they have been condemned by the Church; and furthermore they are absolutely bound to hold them to be errors which wear the deceptive appearance of truth.
10. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.
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13. For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated.
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2. If anyone says that it is impossible, or not expedient, that human beings should be taught by means of divine revelation about God and the worship that should be shown him : let him be anathema.
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3. If anyone says that divine revelation cannot be made credible by external signs, and that therefore men and women ought to be moved to faith only by each one’s internal experience or private inspiration: let him be anathema.
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5. If anyone says that the assent to Christian faith is not free, but is necessarily produced by arguments of human reason; or that the grace of God is necessary only for living faith which works by charity: let him be anathema.
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6. If anyone says that the condition of the faithful and those who have not yet attained to the only true faith is alike, so that Catholics may have a just cause for calling in doubt, by suspending their assent, the faith which they have already received from the teaching of the Church, until they have completed a scientific demonstration of the credibility and truth of their faith: let him be anathema.
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2. If anyone says that human studies are to be treated with such a degree of liberty that their assertions may be maintained as true even when they are opposed to divine revelation, and that they may not be forbidden by the Church: let him be anathema.
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3. If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has understood and understands: let him be anathema.”
If good Catholics think carefully about what Cardinal George is proposing for belief, and compare it to the dogmas of the faith made mention of by Salvemur in his post 21 (particularly the portion of Cantate Domino and Mystici Corpus Christi he reproduced) and others in this thread, and to the words of Our Lord contained in divine revelation also reproduced in this thread, it is clear that Cardinal George believes that he is free to propose new meanings to Church dogmas and the words of Our Lord that differ from how the Church has always understood them.
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In particular, Cardinal George proposes for belief that:
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“A second phase involved rethinking the relationship of Jews and Christians in the light of renewed biblical studies … Biblical scholarship has helped us to understand more clearly that the first century of the Common Era was more complex than either Jewish or Christian writers of that age usually admit.
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Rather than the simplistic framework which saw Christianity replacing Judaism, the historical fact was that Rabbinic Judaism was already evolving, so that when the destruction of the Temple occurred in 70 C.E., Rabbinic Judaism became the form of Judaism for the new millennia and the form that we live with now and what we understand as Judaism.”
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So Cardinal George is rejecting the Church’s continuous teaching that the Catholic faith superseded judaism. But in view of the decrees of Vatican I it is clear that Cardinal George is not at liberty to propose this supposed “new understanding” of Catholic revelation and dogma.
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For example, Our Lord stated in Matthew 15 reproduced above that the pharisaic judaism of His time had become a false faith adulterated by the commandments of men. Rabbinic judaism is the spiritual descendant of pharisaic judaism and is beset by the same infirmities as criticized by Our Lord.
Since clear, definitive words of Our Lord are part of divine revelation Cardinal George in not at liberty to disregard them as set forth in Vatican I decree reproduced above and reproduced again here:
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“9. In consequence, it is not permissible for anyone to interpret Holy Scripture in a sense contrary to this, or indeed against the unanimous consent of the fathers.”
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Further, Cardinal George is not at liberty to claim that the “new understanding” of “recent biblical studies” allows him to propose new meanings for dogmas or, as in this case, to abrogate those dogmas outright by claiming that judaism has not been superseded and is a true faith. Vatican I clearly condemns those who advance such propositions:
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6. God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever be in opposition to truth. The appearance of this kind of specious contradiction is chiefly due to the fact that either the dogmas of faith are not understood and explained in accordance with the mind of the Church, or unsound views are mistaken for the conclusions of reason.
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10. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.
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13. For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated.
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6. If anyone says that the condition of the faithful and those who have not yet attained to the only true faith is alike, so that Catholics may have a just cause for calling in doubt, by suspending their assent, the faith which they have already received from the teaching of the Church, until they have completed a scientific demonstration of the credibility and truth of their faith: let him be anathema.
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2. If anyone says that human studies are to be treated with such a degree of liberty that their assertions may be maintained as true even when they are opposed to divine revelation, and that they may not be forbidden by the Church: let him be anathema.
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I pray that Cardinal George publicly forswears his heresies before his death.
Dear Alaric,
Our thanks for expressing this important matter so clearly. We sensed the truth of it, and have experienced the tragic results of it over the last half century, but don’t possess the tools to put it into words the way you did here.
p.s. sorry for the typo Alarico 🙂
John Vennari had an excellent post on the topic of supercessionism here:
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http://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/e37738adb6edd892883b1b12f97030f3-161.html
The Popes since 1960 are very close to Formal Heresy. Certainly they are guilty of material heresy.
Who is going to stand up and denounce the Pope Francis? Or will they be as cunning as serpents, and wiser than the faithful children and skate very, very close to the edge but not go over?
Poor Cardinal Burke said the other day that if the doctrine of marriage is changed he wasn’t sure how he would ‘digest’ that. How he must be feeling today as he has to cozy up to the likes of Kasper, and others, and smile, and be brotherly!!
Surely Cardinal Burke should know that he could not “digest” it, rather he could do nothing else but “vomit it out of his mouth”.
Our prayers right now are for God’s Graces to encourage all those like Burke who see the truth and know what they’re up against, to stand up and do battle against all the modernist’s evil proposals– and not with smiles and pretense but with justified outrage like that of Jesus in the Temple.
Good thing we know the “gates of hell” will not prevail…
4 press-quotes from Pope Francis’ Synod-opening-Sunday Mass homily:
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1. “Pope Francis warned of the risks of “greed for money and power” and “bad shepherds” – government leaders and other officials – who load responsibilities onto people that they themselves are unwilling to bear.”
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2. “Synod assemblies are not meant to discuss beautiful and clever ideas, or to see who is more intelligent,” Francis said, apparently rebuking bishops, archbishops and cardinals who oppose his reformist agenda… Francis urged the bishops to..cultivate a society with “freedom, creativity and industry.”
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3. “God’s dream is always confronting the hypocrisy of some of his servants. We can frustrate the dream of God if we do not allow ourselves to be guided by the Holy Spirit.”
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4.”Francis urged the bishops to “cooperate” in working to care for the family and cultivate a society with “freedom, creativity and industry.”
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http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/10/05/pope-opens-synod-rejecting-bad-shepherds-who-pressure-society/
The SECRET SYNOD IS ON!
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Not sitting well with some reporters.
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Link here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/you-should-come-up-here-if-you-know-everything-cardinal-fires-back-as-press
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Cd. Baldiserri states:
‘You should come up here if you know everything’: Cardinal fires back as press questions Synod’s ‘lack of transparency’
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So much for the most transparent papacy evahhhhh 🙂
The SECRET SYNOD. Father Z chimes in.
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Link here: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/10/lack-of-transparency-during-the-synod-a-problem/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wdtprs%2FDhFa+%28Fr.+Z%27s+Blog+-+What+Does+The+Prayer+Really+Say%3F%29
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Fr. Z writes:
Someone who is suspicious might ask (as some are asking in email): Are the interventions (speeches) to be made by the Synod participants secret? Is there any accountability issue involved here? Is there any worry that somehow, if the texts of the participants interventions are not made public, they might somehow be “disappeared” or edited one way or another for “correctness”?
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Inquiring minds want to know.
And this “True pastoral work never contradicts doctrine” states Bishop Fellay.
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Oh my, and Cd. Brandmuller. 🙂
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Link here: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/true-pastoral-work-never-contradicts-doctrine-cardinal-stresses-71448/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+catholicnewsagency%2Fdailynews+%28CNA+Daily+News%29&utm_term=daily+news
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Crypto-Lefebvrism rearing it’s Catholic head. 😉
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With respect to VII, “Can we talk?” 😉
And more good news: Summorum Pontificum ground game barrels ahead. 🙂
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This over at Rorate Caeli:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-unstoppable-summorum-pontificum.html
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RC headline:
“The Unstoppable Summorum Pontificum
Three bishops, three countries, three Traditional Masses:
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Can’t put them all in the Francis Gulag. 😉
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From Don Pio Pace in earlier RC post, the following appears:
“As for some traditionalists, ever since the resignation of Benedict XVI marginalized them once more, they are deeply bewildered, but not desperate. They are following events, but in a completely different fashion in which they were interested in Benedict XVI, who wanted to join them forcefully to the “hermeneutic of continuity” ride.”
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Yes indeed. I think we are living in a post “hermeneutic of continuity” age. 🙂
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Let the real restoration proceed. 😉
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VATICAN CITY – “Pope Francis urged bishops on Monday to speak their minds without fear about contentious issues like contraception, gays, marriage and divorce.., saying he wants a frank debate that shouldn’t be tempered by fears that some issues are too taboo to even be discussed.
“You have to say what you feel the Lord tells you to say, without concerns of human respect and without fear,” Francis instructed..”.
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At the same time, he urged the bishops and priests gathered for the synod to listen to one another with humility “and welcome with an open heart what our brothers say.”
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“The run-up to the meeting has been marked by mudslinging.. Church teaching says such Catholics are living in sin and cannot receive the sacraments.”
“While insisting he is a “son of the church,” Francis has said the church must show more mercy and be a “field hospital” for wounded souls, suggesting he is seeking some sort of accommodation that conservatives say simply does not exist
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In a bid to encourage free-wheeling debate, the Vatican is restricting public information about what is said behind closed doors during the synod, not releasing texts of individual bishops as it has done in the past.”
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/06/pope-urges-bishops-at-start-big-family-debate-to-speak-without-fear-listen-with/?intcmp=latestnews
At least “he noted that should the Synod Fathers wish to give interviews with the press they are free to do so and thus make their positions publicly available.” That should broaden the limited releases of the Vatican’s “special website” for the event.
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But the Cardinal’s rebuke of reporter’s complaints about secrecy with: “You should come up here–maybe be a council Father” sure doesn’t sound like the humble approach the Pope requested towards differing ideas. If they believe their proposals are God’s will, they shouldn’t need to speak them in the dark to ” feel freer”.
“Amen!” “Amen!” to Bishop Fellay and Cardinal B.
So good to hear truth spoken boldly.
The only reason to discuss ideas that dissent from Doctrine and Dogma, should be to clearly refute them. May God bring that about. This is our prayer.
As Bishop Fellay and Cardinal Brandmuller pointed out, the hierarchy should be rebuking ideas that are contrary to doctrine and dogma, not providing ways for dissenting members to promote them to other members more freely through blocking out the media.
The Holy Father also calls for ‘compromise’ which is impossible here. You either follow the perennial teaching of the Church or you don’t. Where is compromise possible?
He is setting us up yet again. I hate to say it but every time The Holy Father opens his mouth, we get it – we ‘get’ that underneath every nice-sounding phrase is the kicker: we are going to change, like it or be branded unmerciful and not a follower of “Jesus.”
One reason this Synod is private could be that the shouting, and blood-letting, would ‘disturb’ the Faithful!
The past year and a half is like living in a Twilight Zone episode.
Yes, it is nightmarish. Lord, give us strength! Reparation.
Dear Barbara and Lynda,
Exactly. This is the line from above that bothers us the most:
“he urged the bishops and priests gathered for the synod to listen to one another with humility “and welcome with an open heart what our brothers say.”
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Where is it taught anywhere in Scripture or Church teaching, that after humbly listening to someone, we are obliged to open our hearts to whatever they have to SAY? If it’s error, we are obliged to denounce it, in order to follow Christ.
It mustn’t have been the right kind of “Press” like the anti-Catholic, anti-morality Press that such Cardinals have a mutually-approving relationship with.
The Divine Law of morals is not debateable – what’s always been objectively grave evil continues to be so. But all this “debating” is sure hitting the message home that this is no longer the case. Truth is whatever the sinful world wants it to be.
The Pope constantly treats unchangeable sacred truths as if they are just policies up for debate and he and his cohort have been utterly successful in having this accepted in practice throughout the Church. It is terrible. How much longer, Lord? Blessed Michael defend us in battle.
“SINCE THE ELECTION of Jorge Bergoglio (“Pope Francis”) by the March 2013 conclave, more and more Catholics have started to wonder whether the sedevacantist explanation for the state of affairs in the post-Vatican II church might not indeed be the correct one. After all, how can you reconcile the countless outrageous public statements that Bergoglio has made (no Catholic God, who am I to judge, doctrinal security is not possible, proselytism is nonsense, etc.) with the claim that he is indeed the true Successor of Peter? On the face of it, you can’t….The only explanation that makes any sense alongside the Catholic (pre-V2) theology of the Church and the papacy is sedevacantism. Bergoglio is not a real pope, and the papal office is therefore objectively vacant (sede vacante = the Holy See is vacant). The man who deposited a beach ball on the altar of a Roman basilica, donned a clown nose, and told Protestants he wasn’t interested in converting them is not, thank God a real pope, despite the fact that he wanders around in a white cassock….Because of the upsurge in interest in sedevacantism, therefore, I decided to put together a quick primer to give newcomers an overview.”
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http://www.fathercekada.com/2013/11/19/sedevacantism-a-quick-primer/
A reminder of Bergoglio’s open and outright heresy:
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“We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked, for “the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable” (Rom 11:29). The Church, which shares with Jews an important part of the sacred Scriptures, looks upon the people of the covenant and their faith as one of the sacred roots of her own Christian identity (cf. Rom 11:16-18). As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called to turn from idols and to serve the true God (cf. 1 Thes 1:9). With them, we believe in the one God who acts in history, and with them we accept his revealed word.” – “Apostolic Exhortation” Evangelii Gaudium.
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“There is a phrase from the Second Vatican Council that is essential: it says that God showed Himself to all men and rescues, first of all, the Chosen People. Since God is faithful to His promises, He did not reject them. The Church officially recognizes that the People of Israel continue to be the Chosen People. Nowhere does it say: “You lost the game, now it is our turn.” It is a recognition of the People of Israel. That, I think, is the most courageous thing from Vatican II on the subject.” Jorge M. Bergoglio and Abraham Skorka, On Heaven and Earth.
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‘This heretical nonsense is powerfully refuted, with copious traditional Catholic documentation’…here:
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http://novusordowatch.org/wire/francis-jews-chosen-people.htm
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and here:
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http://novusordowatch.org/wire/heresy-francis-true-faith.htm
We need a name of derision to call “Catholics” like Cardinal George to shame them. How about “incense burners”? “Incense burner” refers to those “catholics” who in Imperial times would burn incense at the temples of pagan deities at the direction of Roman authorities rather than face martyrdom. Perhaps Cardinal George is signaling to young NO priests that to avoid a “white martyrdom” like that of Father Michael Rodriguez and his frustrated priestly career you better be prepared to do little acts of servile obeisance to the world.
The truth about ‘recognise and resist’ – it refers to a bad pope, not a heretic. “Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior.” (De Romano Pontifice, II.29.) This argument refers to a bad Pope harming the Church with his actions (not one going about reiventing the ‘faith’, teaching heresy and establishing protestant/heretical worship = all the modernists)- it is not dealing with heresy.
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As for Bellarmine’s writings on a ‘heretical pope’ – ““Whether a heretical pope can be deposed.” (An papa haereticus deponi possit.) “Heretics are outside the Church even before their excommunication, and, deprived of all jurisdiction, are condemned by their own judgment, as St. Paul teaches in Titus 3…A pope who is a manifest heretic automatically ceases to be pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.” (the below bergoglio quote is heresy in an ‘official’ teaching document).
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http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=67&catname=10
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St Bellarmine’s ‘fifth opinion’ on heretical popes is the opinion Bellarmine supported. In short: ‘ a heretical pope is self-deposing.’
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http://www.fathercekada.com/2014/05/07/bergoglio-hes-got-nothing-to-lose/bellarmine-fraud-copy/
Oh no! Another new “bible”?
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I guess that biblical Jesus guy just don’t cut in in the church of Francis 😉
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Story at RC here: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/danger-ahead-developing-idea-of.html#more
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Jordanas writes:
“No. 30 of the Instrumentum laboris for the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the Family includes a proposal of “developing the idea of biblical inspiration and the ‘order in creation,’ which could permit a re-reading of the concept of the natural law in a more meaningful manner in today’s world (cf. the idea of the law written in the human heart in Rm 1:19-21; 2:14-15).”
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Yes sports fans, they are making it up as they go along.
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After the raving success the modernist’s had with the Eucharistic Prayers II (written on the back of an envelope at a Roman trattoria one late evening over a couple bottles of wine so as not to miss the editors deadline the next morning…b/t/w I’m still chuckling), maybe it’s time to re-write the bible?
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Like the old saying goes, success has many fathers…..council fathers in this case. 😉
More criticism from purpurati:
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Victim of Communism who spent his formative years in Argentina, Cardinal Franc Rodé gives interview.
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LInk here:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/slovenian-cardinal-who-suffered-under.html
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Cd. Rode:
“A great advantage – he continued – is that he (Francis) seems likable. On the other hand, his opinions, on capitalism and social justice, are excessively to the left. One sees how the is marked by the environment from which he comes. In South America, there are great social differences, and great debates on this situation appear in succession everyday. But these people talk too much, but solve few problems.”
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Yes indeed.
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Let these words sink in: “But these people (leftists – Francis) talk too much, but solve few problems.”
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By their fruit (or lack there of) ye shall know them! 😉
..and this about the “what the Germans want”.
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Link here:http://blog.reginamag.com/rome-synod-family/
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Author writes:
“However, all of these German churches are mostly empty. In truth, the Faith has all but collapsed. In the villages, people over 70 straggle in to the Sunday Masses celebrated by Indian and Polish priests and the few remaining German clerics. In the cities, the only Catholic churches with substantial congregations celebrate the Latin Mass or Mass in Polish for immigrant workers. All the ‘normal’ German Catholics, it seems, have better things to do than go to Mass.”
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But what do the people think?
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“For a long time the German hierarchy denied that there was a problem, but now the party line is that many millions of Germans are just yearning to come to Mass, but they won’t because they are divorced and remarried, and cannot receive Communion.
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I asked the Germans if this could possibly be the case.
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The dozen or so German priests I consulted all said that the question almost never arises. In contrast, many laypeople assured me that it is absolutely impossible to get an annulment in Germany. Full stop. Others seemed confused. Was it necessary? They were certain that it was just a mish-mash of church documentation, totally unnecessary. In addition, they said, none of the priests could offer them any assurances that they would actually receive an annulment if they chose to go through what they saw was a huge bureaucratic song-and-dance.
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The Church, they told me, was just a huge, cold bureaucracy. Kind of like the government.
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Oh well. So much for “listening to the sheep”. 🙂
… and while we are on the topic of bad history.
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Jesuits rush to help Kasper.
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Link here:.http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/
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Author writes:
he Roman Jesuit journal La Civiltà Cattolica has launched a surprise coup and is rushing in time for the start of the Synod of Bishops to help Cardinal Walter Kasper. For this purpose the magazine is distorting, with the special proximity to the reigning Pope, the Council of Trent. ”
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No holds barred. 😉
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If at first you can’t succeed…. LIE. 😉
Dear S.Armaticus,
Very important point. After Vatican Radio reported (in Dec of 2013) that Pope Francis said: “In the Gospel, Jesus does not become angry, but pretends to when the disciples do not understand him.” Father Ray Blake had this to say about Jesus, Pope Francis, and the Truth:
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..”There is no suggestion in the Gospels that Jesus feigns, or pretends anything, on the contrary he is the ‘Truth’, he says, “Let your ‘yes’ mean ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ mean ‘no'”. His Kingdom stands in contradictinction to that of the kingdom of the Father of Lies.”
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“If Jesus really does ‘pretend’ to be angry but isn’t really what else does he pretend? Is he really just ‘acting’ in other emotional responses, when he sighs, when he weeps, when he rails against the Pharisees. Is he really grinning broadly when he calls Simon Peter, ‘Satan’?”
” Perhaps this says more about the Pope than it does about Jesus. Rather than Jesus pretending, is Pope Francis ‘pretending’? After all if one believes the Son of God can and does ‘pretend’, why shouldn’t the Pope? and if the Pope can ‘pretend’, why not the Church?
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” I really do think this is a very big issue, the ramifications run very deep, the implication is that the plain meaning of scripture is not readily available to the ordinary reader or hearer, it also means that for ordinary Catholics it is alright to ‘pretend’ for affect or for some other reason. If Jesus did it, why is shouldn’t the Vatican Bank in its accounts or a Bishop defending his diocese against accusation of sexual abuse of minors, or why not a divorced and remarried Catholic ‘pretend’ and receive Communion anyhow. If ‘pretending’ is alright, why not hypocrisy, or downright lying?
http://marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2013/12/pope-says-jesus-pretends.html
Dear S.Armaticus.
Very important point.
After Vatican Radio reported (in Dec of 2013) that Pope Francis said: “In the Gospel, Jesus does not become angry, but pretends to when the disciples do not understand him.” Father Ray Blake had this to say about Jesus, Pope Francis, and the Truth:
..”There is no suggestion in the Gospels that Jesus feigns, or pretends anything, on the contrary he is the ‘Truth’, he says, “Let your ‘yes’ mean ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ mean ‘no'”. His Kingdom stands in contradictinction to that of the kingdom of the Father of Lies.”
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“If Jesus really does ‘pretend’ to be angry but isn’t really what else does he pretend? Is he really just ‘acting’ in other emotional responses, when he sighs, when he weeps, when he rails against the Pharisees. Is he really grinning broadly when he calls Simon Peter, ‘Satan’?”
” Perhaps this says more about the Pope than it does about Jesus. Rather than Jesus pretending, is Pope Francis ‘pretending’? After all if one believes the Son of God can and does ‘pretend’, why shouldn’t the Pope? and if the Pope can ‘pretend’, why not the Church?
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” I really do think this is a very big issue, the ramifications run very deep, the implication is that the plain meaning of scripture is not readily available to the ordinary reader or hearer, it also means that for ordinary Catholics it is alright to ‘pretend’ for affect or for some other reason. If Jesus did it, why is shouldn’t the Vatican Bank in its accounts or a Bishop defending his diocese against accusation of sexual abuse of minors, or why not a divorced and remarried Catholic ‘pretend’ and receive Communion anyhow. If ‘pretending’ is alright, why not hypocrisy, or downright lying?
http://marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2013/12/pope-says-jesus-pretends.html
And some good news……
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51 new seminarians enter SSPX seminaries.
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Link here:http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/51-new-seminarians-sspx-5187
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Post states:
“St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona (USA) received 14 new seminarians (12 American, 1 Irish and 1 Dutch), 5 postulants to the brothers, all Americans and 18 pre-seminarians, who will take classes of humanities before starting ecclesiastical studies.
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Got that 18 pre-seminarians.
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The SSPX will need to start building additional wings at the seminary in Virginia which isn’t even complete yet.
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The future is looking brighter by the day. 🙂
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Please keep these young men in your prayers.
St. Michael Arghangel, ora pro nobis
Archbishop Lefebvre, ora pro nobis
….and… and… Roberto De Mattei weighs in on the SECRET SYNOD.
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“SYNOD AND TRUTH – or, How a Holy See Journal Created a Historical Deception on Trent to Favor Kasper”
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De Mattei writes:
“The position of those who deny the indissolubility of marriage is formally heretical. The position of those even if accepting in theory the indissolubility of marriage but admit it in practice is defined by Father Perrone as “near heresy.” Such is the censure, according to the most trusted theologians and canonists, that falls on Cardinal Kasper’s position and of all those that share it.”
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Kasper’s position is either HERESY or NEAR HERESY…. or something in between. 😉
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The SECRET SYNOD is building foundations in the sand. 🙂
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The Smoke of Satan “is in the building”.
Somehow this synod reminds me of the song, “Send in the Clowns.”
While doing a bit of research for an article on my blog, I came across a canon from the Council of Trent (Session 13, Canon 11) which, if applied, would seem to indicate that Cardinal Kaspar – as well as a number of high-ranking prelates around the world – has already excommunicated himself. That is, if anyone were to “presume to teach, preach, or obstinately to assert, or even in public disputation to defend” that one who is guilty of mortal sin – such as adultery incurred through divorce and remarriage, which was defined in Session 24, Canons 5 and 7 – does not need to repent of his sin and receive sacramental confession prior to receiving Communion – which is exactly what Cardinal Kaspar is suggesting – then “he shall be thereupon excommunicated.” Full stop. Do not pass ‘Go’, do not collect $200. This would also apply to anyone at the Synod who maintains that individuals in a permanent state of adultery – or those in ‘stable’ homosexual unions, or those actively contracepting – could receive Holy Communion. Which is why, I believe, Pope Francis has recently made a point of telling participants that he wants “frank debate” on the issues of contraception, gays and the divorced and remarried. He’s telling them: ‘I don’t care what Trent said, so you can ignore it. There will be no negative consequences for advocating positions contrary to defined dogma.’
And yet they are very dangerous clowns. I think that there can be no doubt now that Pope Francis has hoped to change Church teaching, though he doesn’t want to do it alone, or to have it seem as though the changes were his idea, and he will also likely sign his name to whatever they propose at the end of the synod (and the Pope will therefore avoid making a direct change in Church teaching himself, though he will likely approve it). I think that it’s a good thing that the Modernists are showing their true colors, because it will be out in the open and obvious to all that they are trying to change the Church. I think that there will be quite a clash between cardinals and bishops. Tradition will ultimately prevail, but the fight will be like that of St. Athanasius and the traditional faithful way back when the Arians took control of the churches. The modernists now have control, but they can’t prevail forever.
I’d like to add that we Catholic faithful need to stand for Truth now more than ever. Just as the Faithful stood for truth during the Arian crisis. The Catholic faithful had St. Athanasius back then as their leader, and the faithful who followed his lead were called “Athanasians.” Unfortunately, we don’t really have a bishop as a leader in the fight for Truth. There’s Bishop Fellay, of course, but he only occasionally stands up for Truth. There’s very little on DICI regarding the scandals promoted by Pope Francis. But even though we don’t have a saintly and brave bishop to lead us, we still need to find a way to stand up for Church teaching. This blog helps, too.
Dear Cyprian, What is the story of the holy Fr Rodriguez? His homilies online are very edifying. He is clearly a very good priest.
Amen, Denise! We have a duty to oppose the evil coming from the Holy See. It’s passed time for those fence-sitters and all those lying by saying there’s nothing seriously wrong with what the Pope is doing, to put the Sacred Faith and Divine Law, and obedience to same, before their comfort, popularity, or fear of persecution. Those persecuted because of their faithfulness to Our Lord Jesus Christ will give great glory to God and save many souls.
Exiled to a remote parish as soon as he took an interest in tradition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRNPuWi3d4
Here is an interview where he mentions the circumstances surrounding his transfer:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRNPuWi3d4
Dear Cyprian, Thank you. I have often wondered how he has not been denied access to broadcasting on the Internet as he speaks the truth without compromise – which is so unacceptable to the majority of heretical bishops. Long may he continue to preach the True Faith with zeal and fortitude. Blessed Michael and St John the Baptist protect him!
Many bishops and cardinals, and probably the Pope, are apparently excommunicate.
Thank you Lou for your discourse on modern “Judaism” and how Rabbinic sects (predecessors to modern so-called Jews) have nothing to do with real Covenant Judaism.
Maybe perhaps you could expand upon the subject and post an entire article about the Pharisaic origins of Talmudic Judaism of today, and what that clearly means, especially in light of Scriptures.
Also, the escatological and/or Scriptural significance of the 70 a.D. destruction of the Temple, how it was interpreted by early Christians and why it most certainly was divine punishment.
Thank you in advance.
Thank you Matthew for the information, but aren’t already most clergy (let’s forget their various heresy and DE FACTO excomunnication as per Divine and Canon Law for a moment) already also under Anathema due to their drafting (for the direct partecipants, including Benedict) or acceptance(most of the Cardinalate it would seem?) of the Lutheran-“Catholic” Common declaration on Salvation or somesuch ?
Thank you Salvemur…
it’s that simple, after all.
I still can’t make up my mind about those sad people, including Francis, being either bought with a few shekels, or secret satanists/atheists like many self-professing “Jews”… it gotta be one or the other, for they are risking their very souls (they cannot possibly so ignorant or naive as not to know/realise that).
This leads me to believe either Mammon or Satan are involved.
For hundreds of years the Vatican fought against the Kabbalah worshipping Templars..and then the Masons..the Zionist crypto Jew infiltration of the Jesuits(Loyola)..and now..the Vatican and Catholic Church are run by Zionists who not only control the Vatican bank(Rothschilds) they control one of the most powerful and wealthy entities on earth..IF you haven’t been enlightened to the Protocols of Zion..you must..to learn what it says and how the world is today..it is a perfect blueprint to the madness that has invaded the planet..We are at an end times, and these ZIONISTS..as the bible calls them..the Synagogue of Satan..those who call themselves Jews but are not…Zionist propaganda is everywhere..NAZI means..NAtional ZIonist party..FACT..Zionists created Communism as well..Zionist Jews were divided in Germany vs the NON Zionist Jews..of course the Zionist media doesn’t tell the whole story..the Zionist bankers have the control of the FED..and the congress..the western world is being destroyed by these perverted Satanic Jews..most of whom are NOT SEMITIC..as proven by “Jewish” scientists from Hebrew U..You have to keep your eyes and mind open..otherwise..we Goyim, as they call us..animals, cattle..sub human, as their Talmud says..will be destroyed.