The proliferation of COVID-19 hysteria is far outpacing the spread of the actual virus. Perhaps this is because the latter, unlike herd-panic, cannot be contracted from listening to those “public servants” whose singular greatest concern is amassing more political power, with the help of their fear-mongering friends in the media, of course.
That is not to say that there are not a lot of good people working very hard to monitor the situation and trying their level best to keep us safe and informed. The point is simply this, it would be foolish to assume that everything coming to us from journalists, public sector “experts,” and those in government is necessarily true or even remotely helpful. In other words, we need to apply common sense to the things we’re being told.
As of this writing, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is recommending that gatherings of 50 people or more be canceled for the next eight weeks.
Here in my home state of Maryland, the Governor has officially issued an order reflecting CDC recommendations, prohibiting gatherings of 50 persons or more, including those that are “spiritual and religious.” Civil authorities in various other states have issued similar orders, limiting public gatherings to anywhere from 50 to 250 people – a wide range that reflects the degree to which such limits are inherently arbitrary.
When it comes to Holy Mass and the Sacraments, applying common sense to government rulings is not enough; rather, we should expect our leaders to act, and to teach, according to sure Catholic doctrine, especially if they present themselves as defenders of tradition.
In a March 14 letter from Fr. Wegner to the faithful of the SSPX in the United States, Regarding US District and COVID-19 Coronavirus, the District Superior stated, among other things, under the heading “Practical Directives”:
- If there are government rulings regarding canceling or reducing the size of gatherings, we will follow the lawful government orders.
- All unnecessary public gatherings will be canceled. Your local priest or coordinator will be in contact regarding specific events at your chapel or school. [Emphasis in original]
“Gatherings” as mentioned in the former case includes public celebrations of Holy Mass, while in the latter it refers to other events; e.g., sports, bake sales, fish fries, etc. In other words, if the civil authority in a given jurisdiction issues an order that would require Holy Mass to be canceled, the SSPX will comply and Mass will be canceled.
Evidently, Fr. Wegner would consider this a “lawful” expression of the State’s authority. Catholic doctrine, however, tells us otherwise; namely, it would be an example of governmental overreach and an encroachment upon the unique rights and prerogatives of the Catholic Church.
According to authentic Catholic tradition, the Church is not subject to the State in matters pertaining to its salvific mission.
For example, Pope Leo XIII teaches:
Whatever, therefore in things human is of a sacred character, whatever belongs either of its own nature or by reason of the end to which it is referred, to the salvation of souls, or to the worship of God, is subject to the power and judgment of the Church … To wish the Church to be subject to the civil power in the exercise of her duty is a great folly and a sheer injustice. Whenever this is the case, order is disturbed, for things natural are put above things supernatural… – Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei, 1885
Announcing to the faithful, “we will follow the government’s ruling” concerning whether or not to cancel Holy Mass, apart from careful qualification, strikes me as a prime example of putting things “natural above things supernatural.”
In 1887, Pope Leo XIII once again asserted the Church’s eminent freedom, stating:
Of the rights of the Church that it is Our duty everywhere and always to maintain and defend against all injustice, the first is certainly that of enjoying the full freedom of action she may need in working for the salvation of souls … It naturally follows that the Church is a society as distinct from civil society as their reason for existence and ends are different; it follows that she is an indispensable society … a society eminently independent, and above all others, because of the excellence of the heavenly and immortal blessings towards which it tends … It is equally certain the Christ has given the Church full freedom to judge and decide as to the things that may best suit Her ends. – Pope Leo XIII, Officio Sanctissimo
In pointing out the shortcomings in Fr. Wegner’s letter on social media, as expected, I’ve invited the fury of certain Society devotees who are determined to defend its every move, as if SSPX leadership is utterly beyond reproach, regardless of whether or not Catholic tradition is being expressed in their actions. This post is likely to generate similar heat from Team SSPX, to which I say, You have a choice to make: Pope Leo XIII and Catholic tradition, or Fr. Wegner’s unfortunate letter.
It’s not a particularly difficult choice; in fact, the doctrine under discussion is very simple.
When the legitimate civil authorities issue rulings on such things as speed limits, taxation, banking regulations, etc., provided they violate neither natural nor divine law, the Church is duty bound to comply. This would be an example of “rendering unto Caesar.”
In matters pertaining to those things of a sacred character, the salvation of souls and the worship of God, however, these matters fall under the exclusive power and judgment of the Church.
This means that it is entirely up to the Church and those who exercise authority therein to decide whether or not to offer Holy Mass for the public in the face of a pandemic, whether it be for an assembly of one-hundred or one thousand.
In a recent conversation with a friend who is a longtime member of the SSPX faithful, he asked, “Are you saying that the SSPX in Italy should be disobeying the government and having public Mass?”
To be clear, I am not saying that the SSPX necessarily should disobey the government in this or a similar case. I am, however, insisting that the SSPX has every right to disobey or ignore the government when it presumes to issue a ruling that amounts to the cancelation of Holy Mass.
Relinquishing that right, or even giving the appearance of doing so, would be tantamount to indicating that the Church willingly acquiesces to “being subject to the civil power in the exercise of her duty,” something that Pope Leo XIII called “a great folly and a sheer injustice.” (See above.)
For the sake of clarity, it bears mention that the State does indeed have the right, and at times even the duty, to curtail the activities of the false religions; i.e., a government ruling that prohibits Protestants, Muslims and Jews from assembling is well within the scope of the State’s authority.
With regard to the activities of the Holy Catholic Church, by contrast, the State has no such power, and the reason is simple – she alone was established and given a mission by her Founder and Head, Christ the King – He who reigns over every individual, society and State. This, as opposed to the garbage that emerged from Vatican Council II, is what genuine religious liberty really looks like.
What I see in Fr. Wegner’s letter is a lost teaching moment for the SSPX, and a very valuable one at that. Rather than embracing this unique opportunity to give witness to the Sovereign Rights of Christ the King and the autonomy of His Church, the faithful are being led to accept the utterly false notion that the Church is somehow subject to the civil authorities, even in matters concerning its God-given mission.
An edifying response to the present public health challenge, one that is far more reflective of traditional Catholic doctrine on Church-State relations, might look something like this:
“In light of COVID-19, We, the sacred pastors of the SSPX, will carefully decide what is best for the spiritual and temporal welfare of the souls in our care; in particular, as it concerns the public celebration of Holy Mass and the administration of the Sacraments. After taking into consideration the advice of both healthcare experts and public officials, our decisions moving forward may, or may not, be in conformance with orders issued by the civil authorities. In either case, be assured that We remain committed to carrying out the mission that was given to us by Christ the King, the Guarantor of Holy Mother Church’s eminent freedom in society, as we labor for the salvation of souls and the greater glory of God.”
Surely some will counter with the question: If the SSPX happens to agree with the State’s assessment of the situation, and decides that it’s best to follow government orders and either cancel Mass or limit availability to it, what difference does any of this make? The SSPX is still making the decision.
It is one thing for Church leadership to decide, of its own volition, that the needs of the faithful are best served by canceling public Mass, it is quite another for churchmen to declare “we will follow government orders.” Precisely who makes the decision to either open or lock the doors to Holy Mass for the public matters a great deal; it matters because the Sovereign Rights of Christ the King matter.
In a sermon delivered for the Feast of Christ the King on October 29, 1989 in Dublin, Ireland, Archbishop Lefevre lamented with “great sadness”:
But you know, now, in our time, many refuse to acknowledge the Kingship of Jesus Christ. They are opposed to the principle of the Kingship of Jesus Christ.
Now, more than three decades later, the great majority of those who call themselves Catholic don’t so much refuse the traditional doctrine on the Sovereign Rights of Christ the King; most simply do not know it! Many, in fact, have never even heard it mentioned, much less taught in any detail.
Archbishop Lefebvre continued:
We need to do everything possible to extend this Kingdom of Jesus Christ in our souls, in our bodies, in our families, in our countries. We must extend the Kingdom of Jesus Christ in our minds by the practice of the Catholic Faith. The Catholic Faith is the obedience to the Kingdom of Jesus Christ in our souls. We must extend this Kingdom of Jesus Christ in our wills, by following the laws of Jesus Christ, and in our families, so that He rules all the Catholic faithful. We must recognize the Kingdom of Jesus Christ and we must also labor to extend the Kingdom of Jesus Christ in our countries.
Among the things that must be done to extend the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, especially on the part of pastors of souls, is to invoke and assert Our Lord’s Sovereignty such as it is expressed in the eminent independence of His Mystical Body, the Holy Catholic Church, which alone enjoys perfect freedom at all times in all places – unencumbered by the civil authority – as she exercises her salvific mission.
As Pope Pius XI stated in the magnificent Encyclical, Quas Primas, On the Feast of Christ the King:
While nations insult the beloved name of our Redeemer by suppressing all mention of it in their conferences and parliaments, we must all the more loudly proclaim His kingly dignity and power, all the more universally affirm his rights.
When the civil authority presumes to order the effective cancelation of Holy Mass; make no mistake about it, the kingly dignity, power and rights of Our Lord are not only being suppressed, they are being attacked. Therefore, they must all the more loudly be affirmed.
Fr. Wegner’s letter falls well short of doing that. On the contrary, it leads innocent Catholics to embrace a gravely deficient attitude of willing subjugation to the civil authorities in matters religious, extending even so far as access to Holy Mass; as if the Church is somehow under the jurisdiction of the State.
One expects as much in the Novus Ordo world, but is it too much to expect something better from the SSPX?
The state as agent for the NWO freemasonic, satanic one world dictatorship, can do whatever it wants as it acts arbitrarily and against all Divine and moral law and principals based that are inherent in man’s God-given nature. It is getting increasingly explicit in its dictatorship. Obviously, the true Church leadership, and individual Catholic bishops, priests and lay man are morally bound not to comply but to serve God and do our duty to Him. In this Great Apostasy, there are very few obedient to Holy God and His Commandments. The heretical and apostate enemies of God posing as leaders of the Catholic Church serve the NWO freemasonic one-world government as part of its man-made One World Religion, another of the NWO dictatorship’s operations to subjugate man and tear him from God and his true nature. No subsidiarity, just absolute abject service of the Devil through his anti-God one world (not so secret) dictatorship. One cannot serve two Masters – it’s either God, through Holy Faith, or this centralised evil anti-God NWO “government”, ever more visible and formalised. Motus in Fine Velocior. St Patrick, intercede for us that wicked people, enslaved to sin and the absolute temporal dictatorship may repent and convert and zealously atone for turning their back on their Creator and Saviour, for Whom they were made to give glory, serve and love for ever. Lord, have mercy upon your faithful in these evil days.
Great post Louie. I’ve clung to the SSPX life-raft these last six years and expect better.
Bolshevik Revolution, 1917. Deja vu.
Is this a manufactured pandemic orchestrated to destroy places of worship?
Good points Mr. Verrecchio!
Though I’m not sure banking and taxation are good examples! You stated, “When the legitimate civil authorities issue rulings on such things as speed limits, taxation, banking regulations, etc., provided they violate neither natural nor divine law, the Church is duty bound to comply. This would be an example of “rendering unto Caesar.””
Fr. Chad Ripperger says Caesar has no right to tax more then God’s tithe of 10%!
According to Brian McCall in his book, “The Church and the Usurer” the Church has not changed it’s condemnation of usury (the charging of interest on a loan) but has only suspended that law for unsound currencies that engage in unjustified monetary expansion so that “interest” is not “usury,” but the reclaiming of losses occurring in depreciating currencies. So banks really have no authority to charge interest on loans in nations with sound currencies, though there are now no nations with sound currencies!
Exactly, this is an excuse for population control. The False Jew media has been relentlessly trying to have Americans forfeit their guns to this perverse, bribed government.
The evil False Jews instigated the 1917 October revolt in Russia, they gained control and continued on, slaughtering many millions of Russians.
The False Jews, about 15 years after their initial attack against the Russians, attacked the Catholics in Spain. These creatures of the Talmud, sent gangs of Jews from several nations to destroy Catholic Spain. One of these gangs were from America, they named themselves “The Abraham Lincoln Brigade.” They killed thosands of priests and nuns, and destroyed numerous Churches. General Franco led the military in the defeat of the false Communist Jews and the fools who fought with them.
Jesus our Christ Is King.
The American Government Legalized Homosexual Marriage.
Homosexual behavior causes HEPATITIS, and numerous other diseases. Yet the American Government allows homosexuals to work in dentistry, restaurants, hospitals, children’s schools…
The Masonic American Government and the false Jew media, obviously do not care about the health of Americans.
Almighty Father, strengthen us in Christ our Lord, our Love, our Life.
Guys do not kid yourselves. As somebody working in hospital I advise you strongly to follow what CDC and your state health departments are advising. Pope Leo XIII of blessed memory did not have pandemic at his hand. As far as mass, I agree that it should not be cancelled but faithful should be dispensed from attending it until this blows over. If you live in area with community spread of virus, and decide to go to mass, choose off hours, stand outside pews, do not touch anything and stay away from others and consider spiritual communion only. No socialization! And go to confession – if you contract virus, you will be isolated 14 days, possibly longer…
And do follow new recommendations ‘15 days to slow the spread’ to dot. PLEASE!!!
Speculations about Freemasons, Jews, etc are worthwhile, but please DO WHAT DOCTORS advise. Governors and POTUS are not advising anything else right now.
As believers in Christ we are to be rational, alongside with spiritual!
Yes, don’t kid yourselves this is a bioweapon that the Chicoms let out either intentionally or unintentionally and figured hey maybe we can get Cardinal Zen with it: https://fromrome.info/2020/03/17/multiple-studies-point-to-chinese-biowarfare-lab-in-wuhan-as-designer-of-covid-19/
Men aged 55 and above are the target; stay at home.
The CDC is aware of its genetic “recipe” and that’s the reason why a vaccine is coming quickly down the pike: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins
“Pope Leo XIII…did not have pandemic at his hand.”
Indeed. I wish people wouldn’t utilize old papal “magisteria” as proof texts for current situations.
Thats being said, I don’t think Christ the Sovereign King is a megalomaniacal despot who demands grand displays of fealty and honorifics at the expense of the faithful infecting one another with a potentially fatal illness.
“I agree that it should not be cancelled but faithful should be dispensed from attending it until this blows over.”
Agreed. There’s a difference between cancelling liturgy and simply giving a dispensation from attending it. But then again what was the Roman Catholic Church is no longer Catholic in any proper sense of the term anyway…
Another example,showing once again the SSPX has over the last decade, at least,been ingesting modernist poisoning and are behaving accordingly
Good point and Amen !
“As believers in Christ we are to be rational, alongside with spiritual!”
I’d say that there’s no essential difference between the two.
Yes.This is a jew world order psy-op;the “response” is all out of proportion to the reality.One of the jew’s goals is to destroy any vestige of Christianity,and especially The Catholic church.
You deceitfully call a FACT, speculation. It is a FACT that the corrupt American Government enacted a LAW that entitles homosexuals to marry. It is a FACT that homosexuals are inflicted with a very high rate of hepatitis from their behavior. It is also a FACT that the media is overwhelmingly owned/operated by Jews, and these people even bragged that gay marriage in America was their own victory. Center for Disease Control:
“Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been RISING among gay and bisexual men, with INCREASES IN SYPHILIS BEING SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY. In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men OFTEN GET other STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections. HPV (Human papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States, is also a concern for gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men. Some types of HPV can cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancers. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to get anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who do not have HIV to get anal cancer.”
Where is the Jew media outrage, where are the media warnings? Why are homosexuals allowed to work in hospitals, restaurants, children’s schools…?
The false Jews use their media as a weapon, to destroy.
It has been said that the SSPX is using “gradualism” to assimilate into the N.O. “church”. It’s that frog in boiling water again.
I must emphatically be in a contrary position to your thoughts here Louie, although I agree with you 99.9% of the time on topics, but not this one. I believe this pandemic is so serious that we would be worse than fools, we would be obstinate fools, to not do what we can to minimize spread at this critical juncture, perhaps especially because there are conflicting conclusions about things. Let’s err on the side of caution.
Reports on the ground, from Wuhan and now Italy, are that many people end up on ventilators, which we know there are not enough of. That alone is a reason to take these extreme measures. Reports of such copious nasal secretions overwhelming the respiratory system such that people feel they are drowning, makes it prudent to take these measures, and simply follow CDC guidelines and recommendations. Young people need to quarantine to protect the old people. Older folks need to stay home and stay away from others. Ventilator shortage is a serious potential problem. I certainly don’t want to end up on one, or put somebody else on one, because I refused to comply.
The ventilator aspect has been lost in mortality discussions, but it deserves it’s own attention. My poor husband had to watch his Mom die from respiratory failure, calling out for her children to help her, but they simply could not. There is no substitute for oxygen, and the morphine did not come in time. Let’s just do whatever is recommended, offering it up as a Lenten sacrifice. God bless you and all during this difficult time.
@Evangeline “My poor husband had to watch his Mom die from respiratory failure, calling out for her children to help her, but they simply could not.”
Did your mother in law die of Coronavirus or some other respiratory illness completely unrelated to coronavirus and therefore irrelevant to the issue at hand? I, for one, have had emotionalism as a completely p!$$ poor substitute for reason up to the eyes. Women’s suffrage. What a great idea.
Oh my goodness, JTLiuzza, you’ve made a superb point and my deepest apologies to anyone who assumed I meant my dear one passed from this virus. My mother-in-law passed ten years ago not at ALL related to this virus. Ah, things occur to me too late and this would not have even occurred to me at all unless you pointed it out, thank you. It is however, relevant, because while I do not wish to worry anyone, I think many people do not fully appreciate the unique suffering a respiratory distress can bring. We don’t know, until we know, but in this virus case, that is too late.
I’m not sure what you mean by emotionalism, you may be implying that as a woman I have that weakness. I assure you, I do not. I have indeed a woman’s heart and would have it no other way, but right now I’m being pragmatic, and there is nothing more pragmatic than oxygen. My overall point was that we ought to practice quarantine as much as we can, because to err on the wrong side of this means a rough death in many cases, if there are not enough ventilators to assist. As the American Lung Association used to put it so well, “When you can’t breathe, nothing else matters.” My point was my husband could verify, it was awful to be helpless while his mother endured it. Let’s all do what we can to prevent this.
PRAYER FOR THE CIVIL GOVERNMENT
We pray Thee, almighty and eternal God, Who, through Jesus Christ, hast revealed Thy glory to all nations, to preserve the works of Thy mercy; that Thy Church, being spread through the whole world, may continue, with unchanging faith, in the confession of Thy Name. We pray Thee, O God of might, wisdom, and justice, through Whom authority is rightly administered, laws are enacted, and judgement decreed, assist, with Thy Holy Spirit of counsel and of fortitude, our leaders, that their administration may be conducted in righteousness, and be eminently useful to Thy people, over whom they preside, by encouraging due respect for virtue and religion; by a faithful execution of the laws in justice and mercy; and by restraining vice and immorality. Let the light of Thy divine wisdom direct their deliberations, and shine forth in all the proceedings and laws framed for our rule and government, so that they may tend to the preservation of peace, the promotion of national happiness, the increase of industry, sobriety and useful knowledge, and may perpetuate to us the blessings of God.
We recommend likewise to Thy unbounded mercy, all our brethren and fellow-citizens, that they may be blessed in the knowledge and sanctified in the observance of Thy most holy Law; that they may be preserved in union and in that peace which the world cannot give; and, after enjoying the blessings of this life, be admitted to those which are eternal.
We ask all of these favours through our Sovereign Eternal King, Jesus Christ, Our Lord. Amen.
Source: “Christian Warfare: Prayers, Hymns, Doctrine, and Spiritual Exercises” New Pocket Edition, Society of Saint Pius X, 2009, Christian Warfare XI – Various Prayers, pg. 232-233.
Christe Rex: adveniat regnum Tuum, in corde meum et a mari usque ad mare.
Maria, Regina Caeli, ora pro nobis. Amen.
Louie, you make a valid point. Sadly, I feel that there will be those who will confuse the argument you are making, which is not so much a criticism of the decision itself, but the attitude and language implied by the response, which seems to violate the principles established by the Church.
While it may be prudent for the SSPX (or any of the sedevacantist societies) to agree with the recommendations to quarrentine and refrain from large public gatherings, the state does not have the authority to outlaw public Masses and any attempt to do so would be an egregious overreach of their temporal power. For anyone to acquiesce to such an injustice would be to put themselves at odds with the venerable teachings of our holy religion and the example of the martyrs, such as the Christeros, who died rather than let the government forbid them from attending Holy Mass (and from practicing the Catholic religion in general). While the context is different, the principle remains the same: the issue is not that of justification, but rather that of authority (or lack thereof). While it might arguably be the right call, it isn’t the government’s call to make and no context can justify the over-reach.
Furthermore, not only would such a command by the temporal government violate the laws of God and His Church, but would even be a violation of the civil law in most cases, in which the founding documents that form the basis of law in most western countries, such as the U.S. Constitution and Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, all allege to guarantee the freedom of public worship to all religions (even that of false sects), even allowing for risks to public or private health in many cases, such as: Jehovah’s Witnesses being allowed to let their children die rather than receive a blood transfusion; permitting a Sikh risk a fatal or life altering brain injury in a motorcycle accident since he cannot be forced to take off his turban in order to accommodate a helmet; allowing parents to choose not to vaccinate their children; etc. And these are not just private matters, but affect the public also because our taxes pay for healthcare here and throughout all of Europe. From these exceptions alone, the government relinquishes any claim to have the authority to forbid Catholics from attending the Mass, even during a “pandemic”, since this is a fundamental practice of our Faith, a discipline that the Church alone can dispense us from—not the state.
I would conclude by pointing out that, while there is certainly a valid concern from a naturalistic perspective about getting sick, many people are making that their only point of view and completely failing to consider the spiritual ramifications of this. Is not the first intention of the Mass to make an act of adoration, namely, to recognize God’s all-present and total power over life and death, to the extent that we cannot even exist or move without His thought or permission? Why then are we obsessing about getting sick or even dying? Do we have no faith that God would protect His Children who are often already going to great lengths to visit Him every Sunday? Do we not trust that God would never allow us to be harmed by worthily receiving Him in the Most Blessed Sacrament and that whatever He permits to happen to us would be for our good and His glory? Obviously, those who would be at risk of death due to age or physical infirmity should stay home (since the obligation wouldn’t apply in such an extreme case), however, those who are young and able-bodied who would reasonably be presumed to be able to shrug-off such an illness (remember that this is a bad fever not the Black Death) should still have the option to attend Mass, provided they are not at risk of passing the illness on to anyone vulnerable, which can be avoided in most cases with a little prudence and common sense. That’s my two-cent’s anyways, and all that being said, my own pastors feel otherwise; as such, I will humbly and obediently comply with the decision they have made as is my place as a layman.
May God bless and watch over us and may we be drawn ever nearer to Him through an increased trust in His divine Providence and in the active and permissive Will of almighty God. Amen. JMJ
The masses have been trained for many decades through the dictatorship’s centralised, unified propaganda machine (Media so-called, Education so-called, Entertainment so-called, etc. (all generally controlled)) to irrationally comply with increasing inherently-evil satanic dictatorship. Darkening of the intellect, hardening of heart from long-term state of mortal sin.
Below is a good, factual article, by David Crowe, showing that the so-called “Corona Virus 19 testing” does not test for/show a specific virus which in turn causes a specific disease (and the very strong drugs given to those whom they deem “positive” by an arbitrary level of RNA, are harmful, aimed at posited, feared future possible powerful symptoms, high transmission levels etc., not on the actual symptoms, if any, of the person).
(The actual serious, sometimes fatal illnesses occuring in various places needs to be properly, rationally, scientifically studied by objective persons but the NWO elite organisations have vast control of “medicine” infrastructure.)
This (and other such) factual information and logical analysis should be widely circulated.
Linda, Back in January and February I was watching real or contrived video out of China of people being welded into their homes, reports of this virus spreading throughout floors of buildings, and people being stuck in their homes with corpses of their loved ones. Meanwhile, prior to any Wuhan lockdown, thousands of these people took planes and traveled all over the world. My parents thought this virus was a hoax, my parents who do not believe conspiring is possible and they traveled by plane, dismissed my concerns and sent me videos of Dan Bongino telling me this is the flu. Personally, I believe bad guys can conspire but if I were to hear say gun shots, I’d be on the safe side and assume they are real for the moment. If this virus is fake to destroy the world economy and life as we know it, I guess there isn’t much we can do about it. If they want to kill us with a virus or take away the very fabric of our society and functioning economy, clearly they have the power to do so. This would be a good time to have a Pope though. I know I’m always harping on this but the main problem in the entire world is that the Church has no Pope.
Yes, Melanie. The numbers tell the story. More people are dying from the flu than from this contrived virus. The true numbers prove the flu vaccine doesn’t work, but that info will destroy faith in the flu shot which will lead to a very serious loss for Big Pharma. A new virus will lead to millions (billions?) of dollars for a new vaccine. Compare 18 deaths (virus) to 18,000 (flu) so far in 2020. Follow the money. Follow the control over the masses. You are right. When the Holy, Roman Catholic Church has no True Pope, the world goes haywire….and that’s a fact.
Poor, poor, poor Lynda,
You posit non-Catholic claims, which you simply cannot hold Catholic proof for, you pathetic fool, as you do this time and time and time again in spite of correction, and as thus you are a fool and an imbecile, who objectively cannot and with apodictic certitude, hold the supernatural virtue of the divine and Catholic Faith, as a true Catholic will, know you by your fruits, as commanded by Jesus the Christ. You should shudder in your boots you poor fool. Demonstrate the Catholic proof of the Apostolicity of the men which you utterly opine about being, “Bishops”, and “priests”, of the, “true Church leadership”, as you wrote this:
“Obviously, the true Church leadership, and individual Catholic bishops, priests and lay man are morally bound not to comply but to serve God and do our duty to Him. In this Great Apostasy, there are very few obedient to Holy God and His Commandments.”
Demonstrate firstly that they have not even, “deviated from the Faith”, as the least test of which is absolutely required of you, to be able to claim as you do, that these men are truly Catholic, as you assent to them as being Catholic. You are objectively receiving, “the operation of error to believe lying”, in this time of Great Apostasy, which you proper label it. You affront, “Cum Ex…”, as you affront the Vatican Council, as you affront, “Ad Apostolorum Principus”, as you affront, “Satis Cognitum”, and on and on…These men which you call, “Bishop and priest”, of the true Church are layman, you poor, poor woman, as they can be nothing other than, as you also affront, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis”, you poor, poor apostate. I pray that Almighty God saves you but you must first dispose yourself to His salvific grace, as the only means to be saved. Amen. In caritas.
I completely agree with Louie on that aspect and with all here, and frankly, Louie and most of you know a lot more than I on the rightness or wrongness of cancelling Mass. Personally I don’t mind cancelling public Mass as long as the Mass continues, out of an abundance of caution. Maybe I am not considering the broader points. Maybe I am concentrating too much on the body, that may be as well. I don’t know, frankly, I just don’t know. I’m a super cautious type by nature.
But Melanie is 100% correct on her point that the world is in ruins because the Catholic Church has no pope.
But for whatever reasons God has permitted it to be so. We need right now to carry on with faith alone, with no Mass and no sacraments to sustain us. Those of us who have been around for a while will confirm, this is all new and now look, we don’t even know about the continuation of life or what may come.
But God is with us.
As of today, the Kung Fu Flu has a total number of 212,616 confirmed cases, with 8,727 confirmed deaths around the world.
How soft we are today. Just imagine the hysteria when a serious plague breaks out. Such pitiful, coddled moderns we are.
Satan rules largely through fear. His kingdom rules as never before.
We’re very soft today, now accustomed to extreme comfort, plenty, and the instant gratification of every impulse. Plus, those fear merchants and agents of Satan known as journalists are stirring up panic. Plus the toxic apocalyptic TV shows that are so popular are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Above all, we’re an impoverished Godless people—with many who claim to be religious being effectively Godless—for whom the prospect of death is a catastrophe.
I recently attended a retreat in which the angelic Fr. Romain Pons (one of the few obviously Holly priests I’ve met) , exhorted us like so on the final day during his commentary concerning the final cry of Jesus from the cross:
“How about seeing it as a cry of victory? Victory against the devil, death, sin, whatever was against God. It’s so important to keep in mind that Jesus won! So important!!
“Yet so many morose and complaining traditional Catholics seem to have forgotten this. So many Catholics are now living like losers! Total losers! It’s crazy!
“We HAVE the grace to beat temptation! Temptation to despair, temptation to fear…and all the rest of it. Make present in your life the victory of the cross! We are WINNERS, not losers! This must be remembered, especially amidst today’s crises in the church and the world.
“This wonderful cry of Jesus still rings out. We must learn to hear it!
“It’s a grace to ask every day to not be blind, to not be spiritually blind! So often we’re unable to see the work of Jesus in our lives.
“Lack of faith after lack of faith, lack of hope after lack of hope, lack of confidence after lack of confidence can render us blind, unable to recognize Jesus. Yet Jesus is always with us, because we are His friends. See Him always!
“Jesus will work on our intelligence and heart, little by little, when we’re unable to see Him in our lives. Jesus is working in us at every moment!
“Why? So we can have a real friendship with Him. He’s waiting for us! But we must be generous in our response. We can’t be like baby birds just endlessly squawking but doing nothing. Following Jesus is not just an intellectual exercise. It must be a whole life response!
“Be faithful to Mass after Mass, communion after communion, confession after confession in order to see Jesus. But understand: all of these will be useless–USELESS!!!–if we don’t continue their effects in DAILY LIFE!!!!!!! Make daily life a continuation of your offering of self in Mass and confession. If you don’t link them with daily life, you’re done. Finished! It will all be just worthless words! All the actions of Jesus are waiting for concrete answers in our daily life! Be generous in your answers to Him every day.
“The love of God within us must not be merely a fleeting afterglow of a retreat, but ingrafted in our daily lives manifested not only by acts of public piety–which can be mixed with pride–but just as much by our small, private dealings with God and neighbor; an aspirational prayer here, a kind word there, an active trust in God here, a kind glance there….”
“God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.” -2 Timothy 1:7
Fear is the real pandemic ravaging the earth.
I suspect that this Kung Fu Flu is little more of a threat than the standard flu, that the death rate is grossly exaggerated, and that the entire world is overreacting thanks to the media and politicians, who thrive on fear-mongering, and won’t miss a paycheck because their employer shut down.
The flu kills 30-60k Americans every year and Hospital Acquired Infections kill 75k Americans every year. The elderly, people with serious health problems, and chemo patients always have been and always will be especially vulnerable to viral and bacterial infections.
The 3.4% death rate of COVID-19, which everyone is freaking out about, is 3.4% of the worst cases, who were so bad they actually went to the hospital. It is not 3.4% of all cases.
Most cases are mild and people are getting over it without seeing a doctor or being officially diagnosed. Rational estimates put the COVID-19 death rate at less than 1% or maybe even less than 0.05%, which is lower than the flu!
Spit in the face of Satan. Reject his kingdom of fear.
A comment to me from a friend:
My own non Catholic father’s remark was that, as he put it, the rapid decision to cancel God in Italy for the first time in 500 years shows that most Christians are just LARPing.
A voice of sanity:
A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data
John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center.
Bishop Fellay Mass of March 18, 2020 – Gives Sermon Reassuring Faithful Who Cannot Attend Mass
AlphonsusJr, Do you think it is unbelievable that even with a serious plague which is a virus not magic, instead of everyone putting on a mask and some goggles and carrying on, we are going to shut down the entire economy and collapse Western civilization because we have to ration masks and we still won’t have enough for our health care workers? In the United States of America, we do not have enough masks so everyone just has to stay home indefinitely, possibly under martial law. We can’t somehow manage to supply our doctors and nurses masks and then ALSO supply everyone in the entire country with masks? What am I missing here?
All the masks we use are probably imported from China.
Tom A, I am a stay at home mom and I saw this thing coming two months out. I would have happily volunteered my time working in a factory making masks. Yes, I don’t even like working in a factory making masks but to save the world, I would have done this. Instead, anyone who mentioned coronavirus got demonetized and we were told it was just the flu until we were told -um instead stay at home and lose ALL of your jobs. Something is very wrong with this picture. Maybe all of our leaders are drooling retards but given that they sold and purchased all the right stocks, I find that doubtful.
Speaking of the standard flu, do you know that it’s killed more people this year than the Kung Fu Flu? Or did you know that the average age in Italy of those killed by the Kung Fu Flu is 81? The fakestream media and the rest of the fear merchants don’t trumpet these facts, do they?
Japan & COVID-19 Show Diversity is NOT a Strength
AlphonsusJr, Have you seen any of the YouTube videos by Amazing Polly? Someone shared one with me yesterday. She pointed out today that Deborah Birx, Coronavirus Task Force chair, gave Marie Yovanovitch former Ukraine Ambassador who testified against Trump at his failed impeachment trial something like twice the Ukraine’s yearly usual millions in AID’s money in 2019? She thinks we’re being plagued. It looks to me like this is a real and dangerous virus (I could be fooled) but I also think that we are being plagued.
God bless you and preserve you in One Holy Faith to death; protect us from all heresies and moral evil.
God bless and protect ye from moral and spiritual evil, which has multiplied since the apostates took over the man controlled institutions of the Church in 1958. Pray often Prayer to St. Michael. Enrol in traditional Brown Scapular, etc. Traditional Holy Missal.
All as prophesied and as per warnings from God, His Blessed Mother, Saints, etc.
We need to do much penance, esp during Holy Lent for repentance and conversion of the masses. The Great Apostasy from the One True Faith and God’s moral laws, with normalisation of endless unspeakable evils and perversions, brings increasing desire to be a slave to the satanic NWO anti-God dictatorship. Long-term state of mortal sin causes darkening of the intellect, obstinacy in evil. When Faith is destroyed, Reason soon follows. There is no reason without God, who gave us natural reason to know objective right and wrong, truth and falsehood. “Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying.” 2 Thess 2:11
Only one Master, Holy God. Viva Cristo Rey!
There is a lot of information still available, despite shutdown if the truth about vaccines by NWO internet dictatorship. Ty Bollinger’s, seven part series, the Truth About Vaccines, takes and treats of main ones. They have done terrible damage. The bioweapons laboratories are devising new strains of harmful microbes all the time, then they push their mandatory vaccines. Usually the maker of the unnatural pathogens are the ones who magically have a vaccine to do even more damage. As with the computer viruses where the same entities make the virus and then have the anti-virus software that you must buy.
That is the whole purpose of what they claim is a totally novel strain if CV that just developed “naturally”. All about furtherance of the One World government Satanic and freemasonic dictatorship, including those at top of apparent institutions of the “Church”. Because Faith and morals have been destroyed, the people want to be ever more enslaved to the anti-Christ dictatorship. Lord, have mercy upon us.
Therefore, God gave them the operation to believe lying …
When Faith is spurned, and most extreme and perverse moral evil abounds, God-given Reason is lost too, and the Godless seek out enslavement to anti-Christ dictatorship.
The whole purpose is the successful acceptance of absolute dictatorship with no reason. The longtime organised Faith and moral collapse and the “social conditioning” were the necessary precursors to enable this dictatorship with very little opposition. No Cristeros to be found.
Based on personal witness records that reached me from Italy, it appears that the death rate by itself is not the tragedy. The tragedy is that for the (approx.) 20% of the cases that develop major symptoms, those can be incapacitating for the patient for a week or more, and about half of that 20% (most but not all of whom are elderly or have some other condition) require life support systems to prevent that they suffocate under the viral attack on their lungs. Add to this that this disease spreads about twice as fast as and much easier than flue, there is no vaccine, and there is no proven treatment other than life support machinery. If 10% of a population ends up on life support systems for a couple of weeks each, within a couple of months’ period, the health care system and society as a whole collapses. This is happening in Italy. They can’t but let some people, more and more people, die, there is no human capacity to do any more.
The tragedy is the number of preventable deaths. Without the scourge of Cultural Marxism’s political correctness, along with globalism and its mass immigration, many lives could have been and could be saved. Related:
Italian Virologist: Italy THOUGHT Of Isolating People Coming From China, But “It Became Seen As Racist”—Killing Thousands
The only way a society can escape the trap I described above (when all nurses, doctors, and volunteers work with almost no sleep day and night trying to save lives until they pass out themselves, with hospitals overflowing with patients even on the corridors, and no capacity for other medical activity because there is no room and physician left to do anything else because they all have to work on the frontlines) is to stay put. Do that **early** before numbers really start to rise. Don’t touch a door knob that others could’ve touched, and if you have to, wash your hands immediately. Etc. But these measures work only if people follow them. What can you do with people who don’t believe the situation?
During the Black Death infected households were locked up altogether, the few that recovered were let go later. We are no way near that, but medical science, so far, discovered no other means to effectively fight an new disease.
Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)
Poor, poor wretched miserable miscreant gullible heretical ridiculous laughable naughty vacuous ludicrous melodramatic fool In Caritas, your egregious heresies against the Holy Church of Spaghettiology are sure to land you deep inside the volcanoes of boiling tomato sauce within the bowels of this flat earth. As His Holiness Pope Pasta IV declared ABSOLUTELY INFALLABLY in ye olde bull Cum Ex Spaghetticus Officio, any cleric layman religious and so on who dares to presume to hold any heresy against the glorious Flying Spaghetti Monster retroactively loses any claim to have ever been a member of the glorious Church of Spaghettiology because … logic. And their descendants too for good measure. Are you to tell me, In Caritas, that you of all once pasta-revering humans on the face of this flat earth are exempt from the grave censure of the Great Spagghuisitor? Methinks not! Remember that I say these things not out of a viciousness boiling at fever pitch like a pot of pasta, but ( and this is my sign off) Inn caritas.