According to a report in the Tablet today, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, credits the Second Vatican Council’s liturgy reform with stemming the tide of the de-Christianization of the West.
“It is precisely because the liturgy was renewed in spirit and rite that it has proved an effective remedy against a godless culture.”
The renewed liturgy was “a good means of evangelizing”, he said. “All Catholics who think and feel with the Church realize that the reform was a success.”
Well then, it’s official. I don’t think and feel with the Church, at least not the fairytale gingerbread house of worship that Archbishop Müller dwells in.
The rhetoric of these newchurchmen is strikingly similar to the dismissive proclamations of those global warming freaks who claim the matter settled even as it’s being reported that Antarctic sea ice has been growing at a record pace.
While Archbishop Müller’s comments are indeed laughable, they are no laughing matter.
Make no mistake, he isn’t simply expressing his personal opinion here; he is letting us know that “the mind of the Church,” read, the mind of those now running the show in Rome, has changed. No longer do we have a pope who recognizes, as Pope Benedict did, that the so-called “reform” of the sacred liturgy following Vatican II has been a disaster.
In other words, no longer is the state of the liturgy understood as a problem to be solved, it’s considered the solution, and more than this, you can be sure that this presumed “success” of the liturgical reform will form a substantial part of the bedrock upon which the “reform” of the Church’s structures to come will be constructed.
And Pope Paul VI is one step closer to sainthood ……Will wonders never cease!!! Keep on Catholic Mr V, we`re with you!
Delusional…..
Bizzaro World!
I’ve been working for a Church in the New York metropolitian area for many years and believe me folks – we, the faithful traditionalist catholic, are a very small minority. It’s very difficult to explain true Church doctrine when even the Pastor cut me off at the knees. At this point in my life, I don’t know what to do. Am I a hypocrite for continuing to work for and receive a paycheck from this crowd or should I continue to “man my post” because this is God’s will for me? Very confusing, painful times.
Siobhan …I`m sure you`re there to pray for the salvation of those souls who are crossing your path …. Don`t lose heart , Our Lady will be Victorious!!!!
What planet are these people on? Cardinal Ratzinger/BXVI clearly recognised the ‘Liturgical Reform’ was not a success and now we have two very high ranking clerics saying it has been a success.
“It is precisely because the liturgy was renewed in spirit and rite that it has proved an effective remedy against a godless culture.”
Which is so evident because from 1969 to 2013, the culture has become so less godless and the faithful so much more numerous and fervent.
Uh huh.
Pooh Bear. The Hierarchy is largely comprised of New Theologians – the progeny of Modernists- and it is their duty to guard what they see as the accomplishments of the revolution (thus this proclamation) while they strive to stifle any counter-revolutionary movements (thus the Franciscans); that is, the Hierarchy is both the rear guard and the vanguard of the revolution and the conservative catholic – think of the prissy and progressive patheos posse – are the Griondists anxious to conform to the new non-conformity with Tradition.
And still invisibilium within the Hierarchy is that Prelate possessing a sufficient amount of Tradition that it could be used as a force against our Inertia Into Indifferentism
George Orwell coined the words “doublethink” and “newspeak” in his novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, people must learn doublethink and newspeak in order to fit in as a loyal party member. To recognize or even mention any contradiction within the party line was a form of blasphemy, and one was disciplined accordingly.
In the novel’s description of doublespeak, “The keyword…is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
“And still invisibilium within the Hierarchy is that Prelate possessing a sufficient amount of Tradition that it could be used as a force against our Inertia Into Indifferentism.”
I’ve been wondering about this lately. When will the envelope get pushed so far that a Burke or someone else speaks up. Are there any men left in the hierarchy?
At the 9:00 mark of this video there is an interview with Cardinal Burke. There are some questions about some of the statements of the Pope. It is to be expected that Burke is very careful about what he says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edq69fJLnXo
I did laugh out loud when I read the headline. It was as if hundreds of thousands of priests have not left the sacred priesthood, many thousands of ‘nuns’ are gone, and as if millions and millions of souls had not left the Church. If that points to ‘success’, I would hate to see what ‘failure’ looks like.
How sad! Makes me want to weep. Having discovered the TLM 3 years ago, there simply is no comparison between the beauty of the traditional Mass and the banality of the Novus Ordo. Our parish has a devoted group that supports the TLM, but most Catholics do not seem to get it. It’s time to take even more seriously our call to be faithful and to pray and do penance for those who are taken in by the current state of affairs in Rome.
Meanwhile, according to a report in the Catholic Herald, Cardinal Oswald Gracias is letting us know “the mind of the Church” on another matter. The paper writes:
“[Gracias] said that the Church has ‘never considered gay people criminals,’ after the Supreme Court of India restored a law banning homosexual acts“.
(Comment continued)
Note that the Indian ban relates to acts.
Compare how such acts are described by the 1962 Instruction of the Holy Office, “On the Manner of Proceeding in Causes involving the Crime of Solicitation”. Paragraph 71 reads as follows:
“The term crimen pessimum [‘the foulest crime’] is here understood to mean any external obscene act, gravely sinful, perpetrated or attempted by a cleric in any way whatsoever with a person of his own sex.”
Why is Cardinal Gracias apparently opposing a ban on acts that the Church has denounced as constituting, for a cleric, the foulest crime?
It is to laugh…and then cry at the same time. Ridiculous garbage.
Hi Louie. Even the Discalced Carmelites founded by St. Teresa specifically to provide spiritual combat against the “Lutheran” heretics is affected by this reform. The Secular Order retreats that I have attended have the most sappy post Vatican II music during the Masses. Some of the teaching at those meetings was so heretical that I just prayed the Rosary for spiritual comfort and so I wouldn’t have to listen to what was being said by one of the Discalced Carmelite priests.
Muller is the same one that said that reading Vatican II as break with tradition is heresy.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1205009.htm
It’s the last “heresy” in the Church and apparently the only one that the Vatican will aggressively try to go after. And he said this back in November 2012, before Bergoglio became BoR. So you can imagine that his position has only hardened since then. They are going to be coming hard after anyone who criticizes anything about Vatican II. You can be sure of that. Meanwhile any sacrilegious Mass that is done in the “spirit of Vatican II” will be approved or at least condoned — including even “gay Masses”.
I am not a hard-line traditionalist. I attend a Novus Ordo Mass, but we say some of the prayers in Latin. I realize now that there are deep theological problems with the Novus Ordo Mass, but even beyond that are the abuses that are so common. And these abuses are never addressed — in fact we have seen Bergoglio participate in such Masses before and after becoming BoR. Anyone waiting for the bishops conference or the Vatican to begin to address these abuses can stop holding their breath. It’s not going to happen, simply because they have no intention of stopping these abuses, simply because they support these abuses despite whatever they may say. Actions speak louder than words.
They will never flat out deny traditional Church teaching, but they will act as if traditional Church teaching has been changed.
This is what is known as the “pastoral” approach. There is no official change to dogma, but at the “pastoral” (i.e. parish) level everything is done as if dogma had changed. This is diabolical. There is no other word for it.
Tullius, thanks for the link. I wish Cardinal Burke would be a little less careful. And I wish they would have asked him his thoughts on the more borderline heretical points we are all talking about. Its like the Emperor’s New Clothes, no one wants to talk about it or see it.
And he could have been asked about his thoughts on the FFI, and if canon law has been violated with their situation.
Michael Leon,
I’m so glad you said this because I too am a 3rd Order Lay Carmelite, O.Carm. I was just lamenting about this recently. So much of the formation today reeks of the modernism of Vatican II and denies the miraculous. Now we are told that “maybe” Elijah had a vision of Our Lady, that “maybe” his later followers converted to Christianity at Pentecost, “maybe” St. Simon Stock received the scapular from Our Lady. In other words, they’re cutting the heart out of the foundation of Carmel.
“They will never flat out deny traditional Church teaching, but they will ACT as if traditional Church teaching has been changed.” That about sums it up. In the name of being “Pastoral” they will barge ahead with their agenda and point to anyone who accuses them of error as being mean-spirited and not Christian. I’m already experiencing this in my work environment. Francis has supposedly changed the “tone” of the previous papacy and no one is excluded (homosexuals, divorced and remarried, fornicators, those who use contraception or were sterilized, etc.). They want their American Patriotic Church – and God have mercy – I think they will get it.
Yes, Your Excellency….and ducks can fly backwards, too.
Hi Siobhan. Since you are an O. Carm. I don’t have to tell you that St. Teresa is the founder of the Discalced Carmelites. I am in formation and have read all of her major works. I was looking forward to discussing her writings in my formation classes, but what I found is that many of the professed Carmelites only accept the parts of Teresa’s writings that agree with their liberal world view. They use a very liberal historical/cultural interpretation of her writings. I feel at times like I am being un-formed rather than formed. Is this what it is like to be a traditionally minded priest in training? Actually, I imagine it is much worse for those that are in priestly formation.
For example, the Franciscans of the Immaculate are being forced to take some sort of “oath” of allegiance to the Novus Ordo Mass and to the documents of Vatican II. So not only was the Oath against Modernism abolished, but now there is a required Oath in favor of Modernism. We all know that there are some very serious theological problems with both the Novus Ordo Mass and the documents of Vatican II. And supposedly Vatican II does not define any new dogma — it just “clarifies” existing dogma “in the light of modern times”. So why should anyone be required to swear allegiance to documents that do not define new dogma? Unless they do define new dogma which is in contradiction to existing Church dogma!
Do you see why I use the term “diabolical”?
Gullies and Craig V – Bardinal Burke was way too careful with his “I can’t imagine” and his “He couldn’t be saying.” I CAN’T IMAGINE what he would have replied to those questions that were never asked.
Tullius – oh, oh. Auto-correct made you Gullies!”
This universal City of Man is a dangerously false utopia, a deadly social disorder, as malignant as could be, and nothing less than a New Tower of Babel………worse…….the City of Satan on earth, the Empire of Antichrist to come…….A FORETASTE OF ANNIHILATION!
Rome was not voted into a Christian Empire but converted into one……..Today, the post-Vatican II establishment no longer desires conversion of the heathen…….Miserere!
This is the reality in our day. The loss of faith in every level of hierarchy, even it’s uppermost ranks, which the Blessed Virgin Mary had vividly foreseen.
Only a twisted mind can claim that the post- Vatican II Church bears good fruit…….it’s a blasphemy against Our Lord Jesus Christ The Head of His Mystical Body……..Let them say it to the millions of lost souls…….Ave Maria!
Rubyroad -That’s OK. Tullius is not my real name anyway. I don’t use my real name for fear of the Catholic Brain Police. (No, I am not Raymond Burke)
““All Catholics who think and feel with the Church realize that the reform was a success.”
If we say it enough it will be true, right?
More confirmation of what we wish we did not already intuit, that our leaders are pretty much of one, and one wildly off base, stripe. Meanwhile, I am sure Cardinal Schonborn is busy upping the diversity quotient of his Parish Board by inviting more active homosexuals who are “great Catholics” to come on board. Its the Apologetic of Beauty and the Theology of the Body all rolled into one. Can it get any better? I mean, without puppets at Mass?
‘Rome was not voted into a Christian Empire but converted into one’. Truth. We need to keep speaking it in the face of this disinformation wrapped in a habit.
Wisdom: 14
‘it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customs, they no longer keep either their lives or their marriages pure, but they either treacherously kill one another, or grieve one another by adultery, and all is a raging riot of blood and murder, theft and deceit, corruption, faithlessness, tumult, perjury, confusion over what is good, forgetfulness of favors, pollution of souls, sex perversion, disorder in marriage, adultery, and debauchery. For the worship of idols not to be named is the beginning and cause and end of every evil. For their worshipers either rave in exultation, or prophesy lies, or live unrighteously, or readily commit perjury…’
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Do they have ANY fear of God?
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p.s. It’s worth mentioning that Luther through the book of Wisdom out of the Protestant bible.
Cardinal Burke’s responses reek of the stench of cowardice. And how could it be possible that anyone would expect the likes of Arroyo to mention the horrific disaster hurled at the FFI ?
“All Catholics who think and feel with the Church realize that the reform was a success.”
Maybe “Catholics” of the conciliar “Church” but certainly not Catholics of the Most Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.
To me personally, the most GLARING, FLAGRANT sign of the apostasy in the conciliar church is when Bergoglio and other members of the conciliar hierarchy utter such blatant non-sense. Anybody remember Bergoglio saying, “the church has never been in better shape” or words to that effect? This SHOWS that these men DO NOT care for the eternal salvation of souls, just as much as a doctor who would tell a patient dying of terminal cancer that he has never been in better shape would show his utter lack of care for the physical health of his patient.
Kyrie Eleison!!
Edu said: “Maybe “Catholics” of the conciliar “Church” but certainly not Catholics of the Most Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.”
Maybe what the conciliar church is after is to destroy the Institution of the Church (that which you term Most Holy Roman and Apostolic) so that they could rebuild it from the ruble in there own anthropocentric (and effeminate) image? This is a recurring idea that springs into my mind, like a leitmotif in a bad opera, which I sense continuously in Bergoglio’s ramblings. And I think it is this “dog whistle” that the secular leftists pick up and run with in their narrative of the boR. It would also appear that the boR has no problem with this narrative either. Which leads me to suggest that the proper way to read Bergoglio isn’t through Benedict, but rather through Karl Marx. Viva la revolution!!!
Such is my Sunday rant!
Speaking of revolutions, and this being the 3rd Sunday of Advent, and not wanting to leave off on a down note, I will remind all of the famous quote by Jacques Mallet du Pan, who on the eve of the French Revolution coined the adage that “revolutions tend to devour their children”. In our case however, and due to the discipline of celibacy (in the clerical class), there are no children to eat. Therefore, the 60’s hippie church will die once the 60’s hippies die themselves. And thus it will come to pass with this conciliar revolution of the modernists. All we Faithful need to do is pray, and have many children.
St. Ignatius of Loyola, ora pro nobis.
St. Cornelius, ora pro nobis.
St. Martin of Tours, ora pro nobis.
Psalm 136
“1 We sat down by the streams of Babylon and wept there, remembering Sion. 2 Willow-trees grow there, and on these we hung up our harps 3 when the men who took us prisoner cried out for a song. We must make sport for our enemies; A stave, there, from the music they sing at Sion! 4 What, should we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land? 5 Jerusalem, if I forget thee, perish the skill of my right hand! 6 Let my tongue stick fast to the roof of my mouth if I cease to remember thee, if I love not Jerusalem dearer than heart’s content! 7 Remember, Lord, how the sons of Edom triumphed when Jerusalem fell; O’erthrow it, they cried, o’erthrow it, till the very foundation is left bare. 8 Babylon, pitiless queen, blessed be the man who deals out to thee the measure thou hast dealt to us; 9 blessed be the man who will catch up thy children, and dash them against the rocks!
I have just recently found your site, Mr. V. Thank you many times over for speaking the truth.
My thoughts are that the modernists are, as stated on this thread, out to completely transform the Apostolic Church into the Church of Man, the Great Apostasy. This latest from Muller, who now openly calls evil good and good evil, is indicative of much more disorientation to come, and come it will.
As Benedict XVI noted, the Church will get much smaller in future. Again, thank you for speaking and writing the truth.
Archbishops should not smoke crack.
Dear S.Armaticus. You said “… destroy the Church… so that they could rebuild it from the ruble…”
Yes, this is a war of conquest and extermination. The conqueror seeks to destroy anything associated with the culture of the conquered. So cities are destroyed and renamed. The language is changed. Even history is rewritten. It is not enough to destroy the conquered people, all memory of the past must also be destroyed so that there is no turning back. And yes, people are slaughtered. That was Vatican II and the new liturgy.
Now comes Bergoglio. This is a new phase in the war of conquest. He wants to complete the job of total extermination of the Most Holy Roman and Apostolic Church. He uses the tactics of the war in Iraq. Shock and Awe. Everything he has done so far is like the bombing campaign that destroyed the infrastructure of Iraq’s civilization and military. Next he will send in the ground troops to “mop up”….
Get ready. It’s coming….
Michael Leon & my Momma always said ” Actions speak louder than words”
That hits the nail on the head. As for as Cardinal Burke is concerned, we have to face the fact that , NOBODY that isn’t a card carrying member of the revolution will be appointed Bishop, Cardinal etc.
The modernists control “rome” & they control the message coming out of it. They control both sides of “issues”. These so-called NO Bishops and Cardinals that are “Conservative” or “Champions of Tradition” are sent out to marginalize and keep the Traditional Catholics in line or pushed out to the “fringes” Watch their actions!! Its the old 3 steps forward 2 steps back trick!!
They never undue anything of importance , never !!!
Humanly speaking, For those who think we are in the middle of a battle, think again. The war is over. We lost. Rome has fallen. I am afraid of St Peter’s Basilica facing the same fate as Solomon’s Temple or The Great Basilica in Constantinople.
Of course our Lord is in control and in the end He will be triumphant, !! We need to pray for the grace of strength to be able to face the total disaster facing The Church in the near future.
“It is precisely because the liturgy was renewed in spirit and rite that it has proved an effective remedy against a godless culture…All Catholics who think and feel with the Church realize that the reform was a success.” liar, liar, father of lies little helper.
Jeremiah 23:17
“They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, ‘It shall be well with you’; and to every one who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, ‘No evil shall come upon you.’”
@edu,
” most GLARING, FLAGRANT sign of the apostasy in the conciliar church is when Bergoglio and other members of the conciliar hierarchy utter such blatant non-sense. Anybody remember Bergoglio saying, “the church has never been in better shape” or words to that ”
What is the “conciliar Church?”
@Tradical
I will not pretend to be a theologian or a priest (I am neither) but I will reply to the best of my ability. The irony with the term, “conciliar church” is that, as far as I can gather from what I have read, it was first coined by members of the hierarchy after Vatican II; for example they demanded of Arch. Lefebvre that he submit to the (in their own words) “conciliar church” see “The Horn of the Unicorn” by Dr David Allen White. Hence it would appear that even if on a subconscious level, they realized that the church that emanated after V II was on a fundamental level different from the preconciliar church and hence they baptized it with a new name: the “concilar church”. This weird “church” appears to have its own dogmas – i.e. salvation for all, nobody need be converted to catholicism for their eternal salvation, the church will no longer preach hard truths but instead become a pious NGO, somehow “unity” will be achieved with heretics and schismatics without them ever converting to the Holy Catholic Faith, the dogma “extra ecclesiam nula salus” is for all effects and purposes thrown out the window, and this list goes on and on… It thus appears to me that the term “conciliar church” is very well suited to describe what religion these apostates and impious men belong to.
@ Michael Leon: “Next he will send in the ground troops to “mop up”….” LOL wonderful sense of humour, but do you have any suggestions for what these “ground tropos” might consist of ; )
@thumbs: “the war is over” Are you sure? Isn’t it more correct to say that the “battle” is over (for indeed Rome has been overtaken by the modernists) but that the “war” is still ongoing and will be won by Christ the King through the Immaculate Heart of Mary when she will trample upon the head of the Adversary?
@saluto: you sure know how to punch back against the modernists with a powerful quote from scripture! : )
I know! I think dear Saluto should provide us all with uber trad orthodox Catholic Bible commentary to encourage us as we press on with militancy !
Dear Mr. V.—-exhilarating interview!—-thank you Mr. V. !
on Voice of Catholic Tradition-Dec. 15, 2013.
http://www.voiceofcatholicradio.com/catholicradiowebpage_002.htm
Edu
Yes Humanly Speaking, the War is over, it was actually lost 50 years ago at Vatican II. The Faith for all practical purposes has been eliminated. Now there are a few outposts sprinkled here and there, and there is still a very diseased Catholic Sense in the Modern Church, that is where the “mop up” operations are being performed.
Now that being said, of course in the end Our Lord will prevail and He will resurrect His Church. How that will happen ?? Only He knows !!
Thumbs,
Speaking of the devil, or in this case mopping up operations, here you go. Headline at Rorate Caeli: “++Burke out, Wuerl in.” And it’s not just ++Burke. Night of the long knives is you ask me. Here’s the link.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/12/burke-out-wuerl-in-at-congregation-for.html
Well, I just wasted like two hours surfing the net wondering what the blogosphere is thinking now. Fr. Schall, SJ, a great man, makes a brilliant effort in Catholic World Report to give an orthodox interpretation to the Pope’s recent Exhortation. I mean he is a Jesuit and has a special vow to try to do this. And he has done it for every Pope- especially Benedict. His theory- that Francis is trying to outflank modernity is clever and might even explain the mind of the Pope. But it won’t make it work in the real world.
This disturbing fact is compounded by the fact that the comments of readers following were 5 to 1 strongly in support of Francis and Schall’s interpretation and critical of those who are alarmed. So I guess we are as alone as we feel in the darkest part of the night. I rethink then the quick decline by an Opus Dei friend to attend the Latin Mass in my parish last week. I wonder if now, as before, one will be written off by any statement of support for tradition?
Elsewhere on the spectrum, the AP article on the FFI ran in the Huffing ton Post. I was surprised that so many Catholics comment there. They were overwhelmingly strongly supportive of the suppression of the FFI and took great satisfaction in it. Most of the commentators expressed great confidence in their position and showed very little knowledge or understanding of the controversy and of the underlying issues. The glee with the suffering imposed on friars trying to live out their lives is really really troubling. My agnostic politically correct 19 year old son is, unfortunately, a blogger on this site and I have personal experience with this voice which seems like the voice of 99% of the world right now. It is not open to the Gospel, feels that sexual liberty is the summum bonum, and has no patience or respect with dissenters.
Publius:
Your post brings to mind a quote from the greatest US Marine to have ever put on a pair of combat boots, ( and paraphrasing King Leonidis, if I am not mistaken) Chesty Puller, who while being surrounded on Guadalcanal by the Japanese Army made the following observation: “We’re surrounded. Great. Now we can shoot at those bastards from every direction.”
Besides, HuffPo is for long haired hippie freaks. Bet the stats would be different if FoxNew carried the story:)
May I ask you all some information about cardinal Wuerth ? I’ m Italian, and while I know Cardinal Burke very well, I don’ know anything about Wuerth, ecxcept he’s the Archibishop of Washington.
Besides Burke, Cardinals Piacenza and bagnasco too- the latter being the chief of Italian Bishop conference – were not confirmed.
Rosa, Milan
“Let your yes, be “yes”, and your no, “no”; anything more is from the devil.” — a saying from the one and only Master of All, Jesus Christ.
@Rosy
If you want to know about Wuerl, just go to Angelqueen.org and do a search for the name “Wuerl”. Read all that “Land of the Irish” posts on Wuerl. He has an entire dossier on that sorry excuse for a Catholic prelate.
@S.Armaticus Great quote. And it’s time whatever Catholic bishops remain to put on their combat boots and muster up.
@edu,
Thank you.
The problem with using that term is that people then think that the Church of Christ no longer the one united under the successor of Peter (Pope Francis).
There are a number of problems that arise from that thought, not the least of which is that it is impossible reconcile the theory with the teaching of the other Vatican Council (#1).
Cheers!
P^3
postscript:
I should have written “use the term in that manner”
Although it is true that you cannot reason Post hoc ergo propter hoc, I think we can assume that children generally adopt the belief systems and values of their parents. How much more so when that belief system is the sublime Jesus Christ and not just a fad? The fact that so many people who were raised Catholic have deChristianized themselves (to use Muller’s phrase), has to be because of Vatican II and not in spite of it.
Why am I now increasingly bombarded with thoughts of:
– the deathbed vision of St Francis of Assisi of a “destroyer” pope
– Our Lady’s apparition at Quito in the 1600’s in which she revealed that: “…from the end of the 19th century and shortly after the middle of the 20th century…. the passions will erupt and there will be a total corruption of customs (morals)…. The Catholic spirit will rapidly decay; the precious light of the Faith will gradually be extinguished… Added to this will be the effects of secular education, which will be one reason for the dearth of priestly and religious vocations… The Sacrament of Holy Orders will be ridiculed, oppressed, and despised… The Devil will try to persecute the ministers of the Lord in every possible way; he will labor with cruel and subtle astuteness to deviate them from the spirit of their vocation and will corrupt many of them. These depraved priests, who will scandalize the Christian people, will make the hatred of bad Catholics and the enemies of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church fall upon all priests…” [Who, possessing an IQ of more than 50, sight and hearing could possibly deny that any of this has not taken place, particularly in the last 50 years, and is not still taking place?]
– the Akita apparition in 1973 in which the Blessed Virgin said: “The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres … churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God.”
– the (admittedly controversial) “later part” of the La Salette prophecy noting that: “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.” This might be a stretch (some might argue a quantum leap) from, but it is at the very least consistent with, Pope Paul VI’s comment to the effect that the smoke of satan had entered the Church through a fissure as at the time of his reign – in which case one might ask why did he go ahead with measures that did nothing but ensure the fissure became an opening wide enough to sail an armada through!
– the “real” (although, again, admittedly also controversial) third secret of Fatima which, if I recall correctly, the Pope Emeritus once suggested was effectively the same as the Akita message?
BUT, as Our Blessed Lord said: “Be not afraid… I will be with you always, even until the end of time.”
And also be heartened by Our Blessed Mother’s promises that, in the end, her Immaculate Heart will triumph.
We should also pay careful attention to her warning at Quito: “In order to free men from bondage to these heresies, those whom the merciful love of My Most Holy Son will destine for that restoration will need great strength of will, constancy, valor and much confidence in God. To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions when everything will seem to be lost and paralyzed. This, then, will be the happy beginning of the complete restoration.”
Let’s pray that we have reached (or are near reaching) that point in Providential history – this “happy beginning of the complete restoration” – and that we will have the “great strength of will, constancy, valor and much confidence in God” that Our Lady spoke of to get us through the crisis – as exceedingly difficult as that may seem to be. This, in the sure knowledge that, as foretold by the Blessed Virgin, these times are being sent, in part, to “test the faith and confidence of the just”.
One other comment in response to Linda.
Linda, with respect, I think it may be somewhat harsh to call Card. Burke a coward. Rather, my gut feeling is that he is taking the approach commanded by Christ: “be as wise as serpents and innocent as doves” and, further, when the dung hits the fan, he will be at the forefront of the good cardinals v the bad cardinals in the confrontation above referred to. Doctrinally, he certainly seems to be as solid as granite and, for some inexplicable reason (as I don’t really know all that much about him), I have this firm sense that he is made of a mettle that might make titanium buckle. (Maybe this is simply because he is sticking “rigidly” to the Truth (apparently an almost heretical notion to the Newchurch) while the others are making it up as they go. His path is the easy one to follow – straight and narrow. Far too much “doctrinal certitude” for the liberal/modernists. Theirs is a tortuous, difficult, winding path – all of their own making, of course!)
In any case, only time will tell whether your impression of Card. Burke or mine is the more accurate. God bless.
The good news is that the Remnant has finally seen the light:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn2nF_b76WA
“In the midst of epic scandal in the Church, the Vatican cracks down on….the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate? Michael Matt and Christopher Ferrara want to know why? What is the crime of the FFI? Can it possibly be that they are too Catholic?”
@tradical@linda – cheers. I find saying a prayer to Our Lady, Mother of the Word made Flesh, just before reading the bible, points me towards those verses and chapters of the Holy Ghost inspired Word that just seems to fit the need of the day.
God Bless you all.
Yours in Christ the King
Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat!
Roi….MOST excellent comment….thanks for putting it altogether like that.
MIchael Leon: Thanks for the clip.
In my humble opinion, the section starting from the 7th minute, when the topic becomes Bishop Felley and the talks with Rome, is the key to the survival of the Church as Christ founded it. For anyone who has not been following the story, this section of the video should “open eyes” about what kind of people we are dealing with.
Heaven help us, one and all.
Archbishop Lefebvre, ora pro nobis.
“no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” (Decree Cantate Domino Council of Florence)
Pope Francis: “I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the Nazis for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: ‘I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.’ This is what ecumenism of blood is.”
agree with S.Armaticus and Michael Leon: watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn2nF_b76WA
what becca said: then Frankisthan’s thing is faith embraces other-faith, blood embraces other-blood, Truth embraces….see that’s where it all goes pooh-shaped Papa.
Yes, I’d never heard of ‘ecumenism of blood’. I guess we need a ‘new’ theology just like the proposed ‘new’ theology of women. :/
Dear Roi,
I agree that if I had indeed called Cardinal Burke a coward, that would have been hideous. However, I implore you, with respect, to refrain from the employ of a tactic utilized heavily by neoCaths-which is-to mischaracterize the words of another.
Here I repeat, with emphasis, that which I actually stated: “Cardinal Burke’s responses reek with the stench of cowardice.” The failure to put forth positive retorts with regard to forthrightly defending Tradition, IMO, is an act of cowardice.
I do not judge the intent of the man. None of us can.
Well said, Linda. the lengths one is supposed to go to to keep to the Truth while not ruffling any feathers in the parliament of fowls is walking on the swords edge.
p.s. I must qualify my right to employ scatalogical discourse since Cardinal Bergoglio himself established a precedent for such usage and so, therefore, I presumed it was efficacious to do so.
Erratum: Just noticed the double-negative.
” [Who, possessing an IQ of more than 50, sight and hearing could possibly deny that any of this has not taken place, particularly in the last 50 years, and is not still taking place?]” should read: ” [Who, possessing an IQ of more than 50, sight and hearing could possibly deny that these things have taken place, particularly in the last 50 years, and are still taking place?]” Apologies.
Becca – that’s a shocking revelation. What next? Will Luther be proposed for canonisation? What an insult this is to St Thomas More, St John Fisher and the untold thousands of other matyrs sent to their Eternal Glory at the hands of protestant heretics simply because they were brave enough and wise enough (and inspired by the HOLY Spirit enough) to “rigidly” adhere to the One True Faith of their fathers by making the ultimate sacrifice.
Dear Becca-thank you for bringing up Florence.
I am especially grateful to you, also, bc this interview hit me at a weak moment, and I basically felt as if I’d need to be scooped up off the floor by a protestant to regain consciousness. How could this even be, Becca, how could this even be?
Thank you again, and all of you, for being the voice of -well- Catholic sanity.
Another help was,
Dear Michael Leon,
— to see the Remnant jump off the subtle slide toward effeminacy track, and as you well stated, “seen the light,” was a happy moment, indeed.
Peace be to you.
Bl. Francisco, pray for us.
Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us.
PS-have any of you listened to Mr. V.’s interview on Voice of Catholic Tradition yet? {link in my comment at top. } 2 Catholic men being, well, Catholic men. Direct, no hedging, address and defend up front.
I really don’t know. It’s like everyone has gone completely insane. I have so many neo catholic people on my facebook feed and I read all those Patheos people and none of them bats an eye at this stuff. Saying that a Catholic priest who died for the Faith is the same as a Lutheran who dies for his…that is indifferentism and it is a heresy as far as I’m concerned. If someone would like to correct me I’d be happy to listen. Right now, I don’t know what to think anymore other than to try to learn my faith better and stick to the Tradition…
Linda – I certainly intend no offence (and have most certainly not sought to employ any sort of tactic), but you have to admit that “reeks with the stench” is fairly emotive language.
I, for one, would be no less offended if that comment was made about me ((as compared with an outright charge of cowardice).
Dear Becca–you know your Faith well.
For anyone who needs to hear clarification on this matter, one easy to access place it can be found is within the first quarter of this talk–within a grouping of a series on Catechesis—–
located in Part 38–entitled “Outside the Church No Salvation ”
http://www.sspxasia.com/sermons/
Oh, here is the source that statement of Pope Francis is taken from. It is another interview he did.
http://www.lastampa.it/2013/12/14/esteri/vatican-insider/en/never-be-afraid-of-tenderness-5BqUfVs9r7W1CJIMuHqNeI/pagina.html
thanks for the link Linda.
who’s gonna do the Vatican hokey cokey?
http://linenonthehedgerow.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/do-vatican-hokey-cokey.html
Regarding Card. Burke’s interview “reeking of the stench of cowardice” I would agree with this looked at through the following lens:
“In our time more than ever before, the chief strength of the wicked, lies in the cowardice and weakness of good men… All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics. Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the prophet Zachary did in spirit: What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands? The answer would not be doubtful: With these was I wounded in the house of them that loved Me. I was wounded by My friends, who did nothing to defend Me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of My adversaries. And this reproach can be levelled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries.”
–Pope St. Pius X, Discourse at the Beatification of St. Joan of Arc, Dec. 13, 1908
My dear confreres…just because we SO need this; an early Christmas present….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTYpZ4kIg3Y
turn the volume way up and make it full screen…BEAUTIFUL!
“According to a report in the Tablet today, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, credits the Second Vatican Council’s liturgy reform with stemming the tide of the de-Christianization of the West.”
Possible ways to take this:
1. Sarcasm
2. Uninhibitedly “blue” language expressed by initialisms
3. “In which universe would that be ?”
4. “What asylum has he escaped from ?”
5. What is disaster, if this be “success” ? A “success” like the victory of Hitler over the Allies in 1945, possibly, or the catastrophic defeat of the Allies by the Japanese a few months later ? If Abp Muller wants to write science fiction, or novels about counter-factuals, he’s in the wrong job. Though a revision of the Ray Bradbury classic short story “A Sound of Thunder”, making it about V2 rather than dino-hunting, might be fun. V2 as science fiction ? Why not ? The wretched thing would at least be doing something good for a change.
“All the strength of Satan’s reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics.”
## But they are the ones in charge, consarn it. So what do we ordinary Catholics do ?
“Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us.”
## Amen. Thank God he was spared the sort of rubbish we have had to live through since his death. He was a true prophet, and his discernment of “the signs of the times” seems to have been much more accurate than that of his critics.
As for Paul VI, the less said of him, the better. At least he wasn’t a *total* disaster.
Cardinal Wuerl, Not Wuerth. And Donald Cardinal Wuerl is mockingly nicknamed “Donna” & his entourage in Pittsburgh, PA, is called “Wuerl’s Girls.”