In his initial public response to Amoris Laetitia, Bishop Athanasius Schneider cited details surrounding the Arian crisis as a useful example for our time:
Taking due account of historical and doctrinal differences, our situation shows some parallels and analogies with the general confusion caused by the Arian crisis in the 4th century.
Certainly, looking to the history of the Church and the examples of holy men like St. Athanasius and St. Hilary of Poitiers, as Bishop Schneider and perhaps other prelates are doing, is always a praiseworthy idea. Even so, I think it is fair to say that this will be of very limited usefulness for the churchman who is looking for insight into how best to tend the flock in light of the present attack on the Faith that Amoris Laetitia represents.
The crisis that we are facing today is entirely unique, and Bishop Schneider wouldn’t seem to disagree.
With respect to the 2014 Extraordinary Synod’s Interim Relatio, he said:
This is the first time in Church history that such a heterodox text was actually published as a document of an official meeting of Catholic bishops under the guidance of a pope…
And now we have Amoris Laetitia – a heterodox (heretical and blasphemous even) text ordered toward admitting to Holy Communion those in mortal sin; a document that has been disseminated to the entire Church by the pope himself!
Never before in the history of the Church has such a thing ever occurred.
As for Arianism itself; this particular crisis concerned genuine confusion, ambiguities and misunderstandings – all of it made worse by the actions of meddlesome political leaders – and at a time when the Church was still laboring to articulate the Faith in precise language.
The 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia states:
Catholics had always maintained that Christ was truly the Son, and truly God. They worshipped Him with divine honours; they would never consent to separate Him, in idea or reality, from the Father, Whose Word, Reason, Mind, He was, and in Whose Heart He abode from eternity. But the technical terms of doctrine were not fully defined; and even in Greek words like essence (ousia), substance (hypostasis), nature (physis), person (hyposopon) bore a variety of meanings drawn from the pre-Christian sects of philosophers, which could not but entail misunderstandings until they were cleared up.
The Catholic Encyclopedia article goes on to point out that “the Latin bishops were driven by threats and chicanery to sign concessions which at no time represented their genuine views.”
Throughout the crisis, the faithful in the West were far less impacted; i.e., they weren’t as likely to be lured away from the truths of the Faith as their counterparts in the East, even before the Council of Nicea acted to clarify matters.
As Bishop Schneider stated:
At that time, the apostolic and traditional faith in the true divinity of the Son of God was secured by means of the term ‘consubstantial’ (‘homoousios’), dogmatically proclaimed by the universal Magisterium of the Council of Nicaea I.
As we sit here today some twenty ecumenical councils later (Vatican Council II notwithstanding), the Apostolic and traditional faith – in particular as it concerns the matters addressed in Amoris Laetitia – have long since been secured by the sacred Magisterium. We await no further interventions, clarifications or interpretations.
The Sixth Commandment is clear, as is the doctrine of the faith concerning the indissolubility of marriage, the mortal sins of fornication and homosexual activity, and the worthy reception of Holy Communion; so much so that the pope had no business whatsoever appointing two gatherings of bishops to discuss these matters.
As such, is there any reason to believe that St. Athanasius or St. Hilary of Poitiers, if alive today, would hesitate for even a moment to safeguard the faithful from serious harm by rebuking Pope Francis for his poisonous exhortation, and in a way that is every bit as public?
I think not.
In conclusion, while one most certainly does well to consider the lessons provided by history, a truly wise man will not be so focused on the past that he fails to recognize when God has put him in place to make history.
Let there be no mistake about it – such is the case for every bishop alive at this very moment.
Bp. Sanborn, a validly consecrated Catholic Bishop and a stalwart of Catholicism, has already spoken out vehemently against this document (unlike another validly consecrated bishop, Bp Fellay). It would be great if a vatican 2 bishop would do the same, but this is highly unlikely. Unlike vatican 2 bishops, Bp. Sanborn is only worried about saving souls, including his own….his worldly comfort and social standing is of no consequence to him.
Until a vatican 2 bishop/cardinal is willing to reject the person of mr bergoglio then we shouldnt be expecting any sort of full rejection of the satanically inspired “amoris laetetita”.
Do you have a link for Bishop Sanborn’s response? I don’t think we’re going to see one from Bishop Fellay.
How apropos that you post this on this day —- the feast of St. Athanasius.
“As we sit here today some twenty ecumenical councils later (Vatican Council II notwithstanding), the Apostolic and traditional faith – in particular as it concerns the matters addressed in Amoris Laetitia – have long since been secured by the sacred Magisterium. We await no further interventions, clarifications or interpretations.”
The clarity with you write is God-sent.
Thank you. Thank you.
The clarity with “WHICH” you write is God-sent.
Louie, first I would like to thank you for your faithfulness and courage in defending Christ’s Church from the enemies within and without. You are doing all of us a service in helping to sort out this mess. I know that one of Satan’s greatest weapons is confusion and when it comes to divorced and re-married being admitted to Holy Communion, Bergoglio’s “document” leaves so many questions unanswered. Would you be so kind–now or in the future–to address the following:
Did the “spouses” in these irregular situations seek every resourse of the Catholic Church to remedy the situation in a Catholic way? Did they apply for an annulment? Did they try every means to reconcile and save their marriage? What of those who were unfaithful or were in an adulturous situation before (or after)the divorce. What of those who caused the divorce of their new spouse? Is the Sacrament of Confession mandatory before being admitted to Holy Communion? Are the “forgiven” Catholics required to sacramentalize their union in the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony? What happens if, after they are admitted, they decide to divorce and move on?
Louie, I apologize for all these questions (I’m sure you and others could think of more scenarios!), but I think the answers are vital to the integrity of Holy Matrimony and, of course, the Holy Eucharist. Does Bergoglio have a plan other than changing the face of Catholicism? Thank you, Louie!!
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First of all let me say that as a daily reader of this blog you certainly stand out as a person who is serious about their Faith, and as such I pay heed to your posts.
Now with that said, I have to ask….what would it matter if one applied for a “vatican 2 anullment”? For every valid annulment granted, are there not a 1000 that are likely bogus? If those of the vatican 2 persuasion are hell-bent on leading souls away from God, then why should we pay any mind to their “annulment process” and their “tribunals”?
“You well know, my dear brethren, one must have told you of Leo XIII’s prophetic vision revealing that one day “the See of Peter would become the seat of iniquity.” He said it in one of his exorcisms, called “The Exorcism of Leo XIII” Has it come about today? Is it tomorrow? I do not know. But in any case it has been foretold. Iniquity may quite simply be error. Error is iniquity: to no longer profess the Faith of all time, the Catholic Faith, is a grave error. If there ever was an iniquity, it is this. ”
+Lefebvre, June 30, 1988
“It seems to me, my dear brethren, that I am hearing the voices of all these Popes – since Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, St. Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII – telling us: “Please, we beseech you, what are you going to do with our teachings, with our predications, with the Catholic Faith? Are you going to abandon it? Are you going to let it disappear from this earth? Please, please, continue to keep this treasure which we have given you. Do not abandon the faithful, do not abandon the Church! Continue the Church! Indeed, since the Council, what we condemned in the past the present Roman authorities have embraced and are professing. How is it possible? We have condemned them: Liberalism, Communism., Socialism, Modernism, Zionism. All the errors which we have condemned are now professed, adopted and supported by the authorities of the Church. Is it possible? Unless you do something to continue this Tradition of the Church which we have given to you, all of it shall disappear. Souls shall be lost.”
+Lefebvre, June 30, 1988
Rich, thank you for your response and comment. I didn’t mean to give the impression that the responses to the questions I posed actually mean anything. They don’t because AL is not a valid and legitimate document of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It is, in fact, anti-Catholic and could never be “fixed” to be (aka)Catholic. This, of course, also applies to Vatican 2–it isn’t Catholic and could never be!! I posed the questions merely as a “curiosity” as to how the post-conciliar “church” would answer while struggling to look and sound truly Catholic. It isn’t possible because this document is an assault on the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and therefore a rabid attack on the family. It is also a continuing attack on Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist–if, in fact, Our Lord is present in the N.O. Church. I just wish Bergoglio and Company would make the statement: “We no longer believe in the Real Presence. Therefore, it is no big deal who receives communion. It’s just bread and wine. Why all the fuss?”
Honesty is a beautiful thing especially from the Modernists who are causing all this confusion. I agree my questions are irrelevant to those who know better, but I still wonder how these questions will be handled when their House of Cards fall down.
Thank you, Rich and God bless.
You are welcome. Didnt mean to come off as jumping down your throat…if I did Im sorry. The whole vatican 2 annulment fiasco just drives me up a wall.
And yes, it would make all of our lives a lot simpler if Jorge just came out and said what is in his heart and put an end to the confusion. We know that he is no good but too many people dont see what is right in front of their faces.
PF I had no right to call a Synod to proclaim Heresy such as this one, resulting in a Bergoglian Exhortation, which is all that it is.
All I can say is: This too shall pass.
No need to apologize. We’re on the same side!
In a month we’ll all be praising Francis for AL, saying the DV devotions, lauding MV for being so brave to come out and we’ll all subscribe to CMTV.
Nothing to see here folks. Mercy mercy!
Bishop Sanborn has spoken out, but you have to pay a membership fee to hear his response–that is sure to save many souls! Be sure to keep us posted on how much money he makes so that other bishops will be encouraged to follow his lead to save souls.
Thanks for pointing out that quote, S.O.L..that’s pretty well summed up by Louie in just a few words.
The truth is-no one cares. I am shocked and saddened the more I realize this. No one dang well cares. It’s that simple. THE SUN SPUN AND DID MAGNIFICENT THINGS on October 13, 1917. And No one cares. Who is outraged now at this demonic writing called Amoris Laetitia? What? a few of us here or there?
Why is this so? Perhaps we’re called to do more in this time in our history. We sure are suffering because we see.
Do we remember to offer up all our sufferings-tiny or big as we see them- for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the offenses against Our Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Heart? Always remember what Our Lady asked us to do at Fatima.
Well said. If someone points anything out that person is labeled a hypocrite.
We must all be “humble”.
Bergoglio et al may be evil but they are not stupid. So the last thing this apostate (or any of his heretical predecessors) would ever do is openly and clearly state that they deny such and such dogma of the Catholic faith, thus forcing (at least some of) his fellow Novus Ordo bishops to accuse him of being an anti-pope. Not going to happen.
As for Novus Ordo annulments – one wonders why anyone even bothers about any “divorced and remarried” issues when literally everyone who applies for an annulment easily obtains it, even when all parties know it’s a sham. (Even Burke himself admitted last year that among the tens of thousands of annual annulment cases in the US, not a single request has been denied. Says it all.)
“For us, our Lord Jesus Christ is everything. He is our life. The Church is our Lord Jesus Christ; the priest is another Christ; the Mass is the triumph of Jesus Christ on the cross; in our seminaries everything tends toward the reign of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
“We must thank God for the grace to remain true Catholics. It is very important in order to save our souls and the souls of our children.
Today we must pray to Our Lord Jesus Christ, we must pray to the Blessed Virgin Mary to remain true Catholics and to do everything possible to become saints. We must come to church frequently, pray in our church, receive the graces of the sacraments in order to become saints, to sanctify our souls and to go to heaven with all the members of our families and all those who kept the Catholic Faith here on earth and now enjoy the happiness of heaven.”
“Let us keep the Faith above all else. It is for this that Our Lord died, because He affirmed His divinity. It is for this that all the martyrs died. Let us flee from those who make us lose the Faith or diminish it.”
“Let us ask the Blessed Virgin to have faith like hers – to have faith as deep, as firm, as courageous as that of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary.”
I’m not saying we shouldn’t point out things that are wrong. NOW is the time to persevere in the Truth. When we are persecuted or ridiculed violently then that is the moment to remember Fatima and offer up all these sufferings. When we must choose prudently to say nothing. It is then that we must offer up our silent sufferings for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the offenses against Our Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Heart.
Even when we have to clean up spilled milk, we should remember that there is opportunity for sacrifice. (Trust me I’m still working on the patience in the milk department.) That’s why there’s so MANY opportunities.
Our Lady of Good Success…pray for us!
Thank you, Cortez for this powerful video. In these dark hours, it is good to be reminded of Our Lady’s awesome power and Her awesome love for her children.
Also, you make a very good point. Where is the outrage from both the clergy and the laity? When is enough enough? If there had been outrage 50 years ago when our liturgy was mutilated and our churches desecrated, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Sadly, there is no one in the hierarchy who is outraged enough to make a difference. The battle belongs to those you stand fast and persevere. Mary is by our side. She will help us!!
Does anyone remember this? Needed today!
It’s only by the Grace of God that we see SOME of what’s going on and that we have been spared the complete victimization which was intended for us by their demonic plan. So when we look around and see the clueless, innocent lay people who surround us and who have fallen victim to these evil works we need to look charitably upon them. Knowing and seeing the “inconvenient truth” of Our Lord during this time has been a Grace from God. Yes, some will be open to the truth, by the Grace of God, and the others no matter how hard we want to physically shake them may never see it in this lifetime. So why do we see? Perhaps to suffer for Our Lord in various degrees. If everyone saw the mess that our Church was in, than it would be very comfortable for us. Consider yourselves blessed for enduring these frustrating times. If we won’t offer up our sufferings for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the offenses against Our Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Heart, than who will?
I was more looking for an official statement released, rather than an Internet podcast.
In fact, at this point, the bishops can forgo with the explanations of WHY the exhortation is heretical/blasphemous, etc., since that’s already been explained over and over again, primarily by lay folk.
What I’d like to see from the SSPX and or any traditional order of priests is what the next step to take is in order to deal with a person in the Seat of Peter who by all appearances, does not hold the Faith.
Until now, their pastoral advice can be summed up in four words: “Pretend it’s not happening.”
Oh YES, GMU, I get what you’re saying now. You’re right.
Bishop Sanborn is far from the only person to have called out the spade here. To that, here’s a little something regarding his general credibility:
I know….Im not thrilled about it either.
A few quick points: Im not saying that this actually didnt happen, but it would be nice if the seminarian actually had a name instead of wishing to “remain annonymous”. Secondly, this supposedly happened 13 years ago….when did Salza quit the masons, and regardless of when he quit, should we hold that against him for the rest of his life and consider him not to be credible because he did something very wrong in his past? If that were the case basically none of us could ever be credible.
As far as calling a spade a spade, Bp Sanborn calls Francis and out-and-out heretic (not just because of AL…he’s always called him a heretic)….he doesnt dance around the issue.
Excellent point. This has been one of my main issues as well: why all of the gnashing of teeth over the whole “divorced and remarried” issue when getting a vatican 2 annulment is such a joke? I mean lets be honest here….the public adulterer and the person who has gotten their phony “annulment” are both in the same sinking ship.
How much money he makes is of none of my concern as I dont receive any of it, so you wont be getting any updates from me. As far as other bishops following his lead to save souls, he’s been speaking out against the vatican 2 church for years…..there is more than enough free content out there for these other bishops to listen to if they actually cared to.
Lastly, while I too am not happy that we as Catholics have to pay for things that should be free, we have to remember that not everyone is on the vatican 2 payroll.