National Catholic Distorter is reporting that the dissident theologian Hans Küng has publicly confirmed receipt of a letter from Pope Francis responding to his request “to give room to a free, unprejudiced and open-ended discussion on the problem of infallibility.”
According to Küng, the pope gave him (and thus every other like-minded malcontent subversive in Catholic clothing) the green light to have at it.
Given that Francis’ letter “set no restrictions,” according to Küng, “he has thus responded to my request to give room to a free discussion on the dogma of infallibility.”
Notice the language that is used: Küng refers to infallibility as both a “dogma” and a “problem.”
This makes perfect sense as modernists, who operate from the conviction that doctrines can and must change over time, find the very notion of dogma (which by definition is incontrovertible) to be a major problem.
So, what exactly is the “problem” that Küng wishes to discuss, and presumably solve?
I suspect that when many hear “dogma of infallibility,” papal infallibility as defined at the First Vatican Council may immediately come to mind, but make no mistake about it – Küng has a much larger target in mind.
There are three organs of infallibility in the Church; i.e., the modes by which the immutable doctrines of the faith are made known to the faithful:
– Ex cathedra statements given by the pope
– De fide definitions issued by an ecumenical council
– Ordinarium magisterium – those doctrines that have been constantly held and taught (in “moral unanimity”) by the bishops of the world in union with the Roman pontiffs
With this in mind, let’s be perfectly clear about what Küng desires, and Francis finds no cause to restrict: An open-ended discussion on everything that is currently considered (by Catholics, at any rate) to be unchangeable.
In other words, these men wish to have an “open-ended” debate on what is henceforth considered to be true; one that starts not with the infallible doctrines of the Faith, but rather from scratch.
This should come as no surprise.
It has been clear to readers of this space for some time now that Francis sincerely believes that even matters settled long ago are now up for grabs. Nothing it seems is truly sacred to this man other than man himself, with the possible exception of Mother Earth.
This means that even Divine Revelation is in play!
If anyone had any lingering doubts on this note, Amoris Laetitia, which plainly undermines the indissolubility of marriage as taught by Jesus Christ Himself, should have removed them entirely.
Consider the mere fact that Francis directly contradicted the infallible Council of Trent almost verbatim by stating that “It can no longer simply be said that all those in any irregular situation (e.g., those featuring on-going adultery, fornication, gay sex) are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace” (AL 301).
This alone tells us rather plainly that absolutely, positively nothing is safe under this pope.
Again, this isn’t really news for “traditionalists” (aka Catholics) who have been looking at this disastrous pontificate with eyes opened wide from day one. For us, the only question that has ever really existed concerns just how far the allegedly faithful cardinals and bishops will allow Francis to go unchallenged.
Given the tepid reaction (and in most cases, the total silence) of such men in response to the heresy and blasphemy contained in Amoris Laetitia, the answer is rather obvious; not just to us, but more importantly, to Francis himself.
There can be no doubt that Francis is now more convinced than ever that he can do whatever the Hell he wants to do. The deposit of faith is like clay in his humble little hands. The Holy Catholic Church is his personal playground, and he’s the bully who gets to make up the rules.
And why shouldn’t he be emboldened? Amoris Laetitia was made public nearly three weeks ago, and the most noteworthy reaction from a bishop to date is an anemic call for an “authentic interpretation;” as if Holy Mother Church has failed to provide as much over the course of the centuries!
We’ve grown used to this sort of thing over the years as the Council’s assorted errors and ambiguities have been met, not with the condemnations they so richly deserve, but with calls an “hermeneutic of continuity.”
As such, it is tempting to believe that this is just another day under Francis; he who has been relentlessly attacking the faith (and the truly faithful) from moment one of his dreadful pontificate.
This point of view, however, represents a gross underestimation of the importance of Amoris Laetitia.
Make no mistake, my friends, this document is far more than just the next in a long series of attacks at the hands of a perfidious pope; it is a seminal moment in the ecclesial crisis that hearkens the dawn of a newly darkened day wherein war will be declared against objective truth far more openly and boldly than at any other time in the past.
Like proverbial frogs in a pot of water that is gradually inching its way closer to the boiling point, we have lost our perspective.
Imagine if at some point prior to Benedict’s flight for fear of the wolves, one was to propose that within a few short years the Roman Pontiff will issue a formal exhortation that:
– Opens the way to Holy Communion for unrepentant adulterers and fornicators, and even practitioners of gay sex
– Boldly proclaims that such persons are neither in mortal sin nor deprived of sanctifying grace
– Claims that those who persist in such acts are actually doing God’s will
– Accuses God Himself of burdening man with impossible demands via the Divine Law
If this isn’t incredible enough, imagine if it was further predicted that in the aftermath of this terrible attack on the Faith from the very top of the Church, not one single solitary bishop or cardinal will step forward to rebuke the pope for his heresy and blasphemy!
I dare say that very few among us would have believed it. All of us, however, would likely realize that if such a thing was to ever occur, the madman pope – knowing full well that no one in the episcopate has the stones to oppose him – would then set about destroying the very foundation of the Holy Catholic Church; truth itself as infallibly defined, preserved, and taught throughout the centuries.
[NOTE: “Truth” is, of course, the person of Jesus Christ. As I’ve stated in the past, the very heart of the current ecclesial crisis concerns a Christological heresy wherein the Divinity of Christ is in doubt even to the highest places in Rome. Amoris Laetitia demonstrates as much with remarkable clarity. This was the topic of the presentation that I was honored to give at the Fatima Conference in Boston last weekend. I will go into more detail on this matter in a future post.]
And so here we are. The nightmare has become reality. Francis has issued a decree that undermines the very words of Christ. He has gone where few would ever have dreamed; not even Hans Küng, who said:
“I could not have foreseen quite how much new freedom Francis would open up in his post-synodal exhortation, Amoris Laetitia.“
With the publication of Amoris Laetitia, Francis not only committed the grave offenses contained therein; he has declared a new freedom to challenge the very existence of Truth itself; he has thus declared war on Christ the King.
As of this moment, the Shepherds have proven themselves to be little more than hirelings; mitred castrati who have been pleased to lay down their croziers in the face of the approaching wolf. The sheep are being scattered and there is none to protect them.
Let us pray that this changes, and soon.
Wow! Too bad for Arius and his followers that they were born in the wrong century. There seems to be no pesky St. Athanasius these days to cause problems! Let’s have debate on everything, fer sure…Maybe God’s just jealous of Lucifer, is that coming down the pike?? Time to Sin Boldly..sort of, I guess. Kyrie Eleison, Christe Eleison.
Louie, you are so right in what you say in this article. Rome now is completely corrupted. The truth is not held there anymore, and it (Rome) is in direct, frontal opposition to Christ the King. Cardinal Ciappi (I am not sure if I have his name right, but he was the spiritual advisor to three popes in Rome, and he had read the third secret of Fatima) said that the third secret was about ‘an apostasy in the Church that would begin at the top’. We are here; and there is no way out except for the remnant (the true followers of the full Catholic Faith) to worship God in the underground. Why is no one saying that? We are like people on the Titanic debating how to keep the sinking ship afloat when what we need to do is get the life boats unhooked and in the water so people can leave the ship. As Bergoglio well knows, the orthodox Cardinals ‘will not leave the table’ of negotiations. There silence and mumbling responses to his heretical outpourings emboldens him. This is just the beginning of his rampage through the Church. Your last sentence, ‘Let us pray that this changes soon.’ is based on what??? It is not going to change anymore than the Titanic was going to right herself and start floating. Do you understand? It is too late now. The Church in all her fullness must go underground.
There are those who are making plans to organize and go to Rome itself to address all this – see https://vericatholici.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/invitation-to-international-conference-to-condemn-amoris-laetitia/
This is a mega- nightmare, that just keeps getting worse (How long, Oh Lord)…
There’s a Feb 24, 2009 interview online that Kung gave to the French newspaper Le Monde, in which he berated Pope Benedict –for lifting the four SSPX excommunications because “illustrated..his inability to make necessary reforms” ; was ” an error in church governance…and “scandalous” that on the 50th anniversary of the convening of the Second Vatican Council Pope Benedict moved to reintegrate people who were opposed to the council’s teachings.”
He then accused Benedict of being “unable to take creative steps to deal with a series of internal church questions” ; (showing) ” a lack of pastoral courage and a lack of awareness of the “profound crisis” in the church.
And then he listed what the pope should do, including calling for a Third Vatican Council to deal with the following, and other issues….
— Allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion in some circumstances.
— Take steps to “correct” the 1968 encyclical “Humanae Vitae” and allow use of birth control in some cases.
— Abolish the rule of priestly celibacy in the Latin-rite church.
— Institute a new way of electing bishops with the involvement of local Catholics. ‘
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/hans-kung-papal-criticism-draws-vatican-ire
Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.
Hans Kung…now there’s a foul blast from the past. He questioned papal infallibility in his 1971 book, “Infallible? An Inquiry,” and in 1979 Pope John Paul II stripped him of his license to teach Catholic theology. I guess he is back to justify himself. Well, Kung can do what he pleases, but when he gets the Papal seal to his effort, that is a totally different story. At a time when the Church needs clarity and precision of thought, we are about to throw the gasoline of revolt onto the fire of confusion about dogma and morals. Infallibility is already defined. The job of the theologian is to find how best to explain it to today’s inquirers. If one can question defined dogma, then anything goes which is obviously the ongoing song for this administration. I can only wonder why this pope would want to open up this can of worms and theological Pandora’s box. This he chooses to do with an already disgraced “theologian”. The ink is hardly dry from JPII’s condemnation, and this pope thinks it is a good idea to bring back the personification of the “spirit” of VII.
When JP2 thinks you’re a bad Catholic you have to know that you are screwed. Men like Kung, as smart as they are, obviously arent misguided….they are knowingly doing their master’s (satan’s) work. Btw, has Kung ever once dressed like an actual priest in the last 50 years? I guess heretics like him and ratzinger are allergic to roman collars.
I never visit the NCR but I did today because of this piece. I am at a loss for words as to what people who claim to be Catholic think of as Catholicism. For those upset that Verrecchio called Schneider to task, READ the comments of supposed Catholics on that site!!! Any v2 bishop alive today better pray that he isnt already damned for not speaking out against this modernist garbage years ago. Think of how many Catholics, who think that this tripe (amoris laetitia, etc) is actually of the Catholic Church, die every day. Stop worrying about being “charitable” to these “good bishops” and start thinking about the 1000’s of souls damned to hell daily because their “bishops” are, in actuality, no good cowards who are more concerned with their position and/or their physical comfort in this fleeting temporal life than they are of leading souls to Heaven.
The last time I read anything about Kung was that he was very sick and contemplating suicide ???
“We control the seminaries, the academic departments of theology, the catechetical and liturgical institutions, the publishing houses, the magazines that matter and the chanceries. Most of the bishops are now on our side and those that aren’t have been neutralized. Anybody who wants a future in the hierarchy or the Catholic academy has no choice but to co-operate.” ― Fr. Hans Küng, expert theological advisor to members of the Second Vatican Council. Fr. Hans Küng ,”worthy” recipient of the Freemasons’ lifetime achievement award
All of the Catholic Blogs would shut down if they stopped covering the Gnostic Novus Ordo Sect.
Ive read this qoute before….and each time I do my blood pressure goes through the roof.
So this is pretty much a combination of the acts that got Honorius posthumously excommunicated and John XXII nearly excommunicated.
The goal of Modernist Rome (with BerGOGlio currently at the helm) is not merely to destroy the Catholic faith, but the Papacy as well. As far as I could determine, there is no one to succeed Francis who could turn things around. How do you put toothpaste back into the tube? BerGOGlio could do anything he hell wants to do because no one is making an attempt to stop him. Are all our Shepherds hirelings? Even our “shining stars” are flashes in the pan. Are GOG and MAGOG at work in the Vatican?
When you want to wreck a building you have to start somewhere. You attack papal infallibility first and from there on, let’s say a Marian Dogma. And so bit by bit tear down the building brick by brick until the Bride is stripped bare.
God help us.
“With the publication of Amoris Laetitia, Francis…has declared a new freedom to challenge the very existence of Truth itself; he has thus declared war on Christ the King. As of this moment, the Shepherds have proven themselves to be little more than hirelings; mitred castrati who have been pleased to lay down their croziers in the face of the approaching wolf. The sheep are being scattered and there is none to protect them. Let us pray that this changes, and soon.”
I agree. LV could crank this “news” out in his sleep–in fact he probably did.
Christ’s Church no longer resides in Rome. It has gone underground with the Traditionalists.
Additionally: If Rome experiences a “Road to Damascus” event, please make it extremely public when the Pope and his Bishops [in concert] Consecrate Russia to Our Blessed Mother’s Most Immaculate Heart. Until then, I’m out of here.
God bless all of you.
Who is she that comes forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in battle array?
Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, for thou alone hast vanquished all heresies throughout the world.
April 28th, feast of St. Louis de Montfort
Archbishop Lefebvre isn’t neutralized at all, Mr Kung, he speaks from the past among the great cloud of witness to men like me who were playing in sandboxes whilst he was fighting morons like yourself and keeping an ember burning, a remnant of the true faith in continuity with and fully traceable to the past, which will re-ignite the Faith in Glory.
Little snots like you may have the school buildings, warped seminaries, the academic departments of foo-foo theology, the liturgical minstitutions, the publishing houses, the magazines that “matter” and the chicaneries, but We the faithful Catholic laity have the Faith of the Ages. You have concrete and steel and carpeting, which will crumble into dust, we have eternal life. Further, we have already turned our backs on your hireling-archy and simply do not take them seriously. And even the world that you and your kind pursue with such breathlessness are simply laughing behind your backs.
God gives wisdom to His children who seek Him.
Michael F Poulin
“Indeed, who is responsible for these actions? It is not us, it is the Pope. If the Pope would not do reprehensible things, we would say nothing. But since he does things which are absolutely unbelievable, unacceptable, therefore, we react; it is absolutely natural. Let the Pope stop doing these reprehensible things, incomprehensible, unthinkable, and we will stop reacting.” They said nothing They did not answer.”
+Lefebvre, 1988
IN
THE
CRADLES
OF
LATIN
Woe, Hans Kung
In your suit and tie-silk
Thank heavens you’re old
Soon to die with your ilk.
For I’m Catholic Mother
Nursing legions breast milk
In the cradles of Latin
Where their souls you’ll not bilk!
Gladius est fides tua
The Fiery Prayer for the Apostles of the Latter Times
— by St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/b003rp.htm
Yes, ock, i thought I recognized his face. I read the same thing too. I probably was led to that article through one of Louie’s posts.?
Within the PAST FEW MONTHS Pope Francis, yes his proper title, (lets look at these times head on for what they are, what Our Lady of Good Success told us they would be) has told us:
-No need to convert Jews
-Contraception is permissible
-No more 6th commandment
-Now this. Why not?
Someone told me, within this year, that things would be moving fast. Wow, they were right.
I offer up all my sufferings for the conversion of this poor sinner, Pope Francis.
Our Lady of Fatima…pray for us!
Our Lady of Good Success…pray for us!
Wow, Servant of Our Lady, perfect prayer for today. Now seems like the time for which it was written and must be said. It’s a comfort to read.
Count me a skeptic of Kueng’s infallibility.
Seriously (I sometimes joke; now now), Louie wrote that one of the “three organs of infallibility in the Church; i.e., the modes by which the immutable doctrines of the faith are made known to the faithful” is “De fide definitions issued by an ecumenical council.” Almost, but not quite.
As the old Catholic Encyclopedia explains, “Finally, papal approbation is required to give ecumenical value and authority to conciliar decrees, and this must be subsequent to conciliar action, unless the pope, by his personal presence and conscience, has already given his official ratification.”
Here is someone who is taking action:
https://vericatholici.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/invitation-to-international-conference-to-condemn-amoris-laetitia/
Please tread lightly!
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
Some good points here–but I’m still worried!
“Our Blessed Lady was born to trample on the head of the serpent, to bring to naught Satan and all his works.
Let us therefore unite ourselves to her and remain always united to her. Thus she will preserve us from sin and all errors and she will keep us in the spirit of truth and holiness.”
“The Church was saved from Arianism. She will be saved as well from Modernism. Our Lord will triumph, even when, humanly speaking, all seems lost. His ways are not our ways. Would we have chosen the Cross to triumph over Satan, the world and sin?”
“We are convinced that the most Blessed Virgin, our good Mother who is always in the heart of the fight, encourages us. She came on earth to request that we fight, fearlessly, because she is with us.”
+Lefebvre quotes
Archbishop Lefebvre once pointed out that in the Litany of the Saints we pray:
“That you preserve our Holy Father and all ranks in the Church in holy religion”.
@Servant of Our Lady
Extra thanks for your above link to the Fiery Prayer of St. Louis for the Apostles of the latter times.
Amazingly relevant…. as where he prays for help “for our brother who is being murdered! Help for our children whose throats are being cut! Help for our Father, Who is being stabbed! ”
And then says:
“Let all good priests who are spread over the Christianworld, and those who are actually on the battlefield, and those who have withdrawn from the combat to bury themselves in deserts and solitude, let them all come forward and unite with us-in unity there is strength- so that we may form, under the banner of the Cross, a well-regulated army in battle array, and together attack the enemies of God who have already sounded the alarm.”
God Bless.
It is deeply disturbing to see bergoglio openly conspire with the likes of kung to undermine Catholic teaching and practice. As far as the “problem of infallability”, I imagine many other “problems” on the horizen for bergoglio/kung and their lodge brothers in high ecclesiastical circles like the “problem” of the real presence, or the “problem” of the Immaculate Conception.