In this – the year of Our Lord two-thousand and eighteen – given that the Faith that comes from the Apostles has been clearly defined over the course of many centuries by the venerable councils of the Church and her faithful Roman Pontiffs, it takes precious few words to transmit and apply sure Christian doctrine to the particular circumstances of the present day.
If, however, one harbors a deep seated disdain for sacred Tradition (from the Latin tradere – to transmit) and is thus intent on supplanting the true Faith with an new religion comprised of novelties of one’s own making, then many words will be necessary in order to deceive the faithful, lest they readily come to recognize the presence of an imposter.
And so it is with the Bergoglian Trilogy: Evangelii Gaudium, Amoris Laetitia, and the installment made public today, Gaudete et Exsultate, which together weigh-in at a burdensome 130,000 words plus.
Having examined each document at length, it is perfectly clear that of these three “Apostolic Exhortations” (so-called), Amoris Laetitia is the centerpiece and crown.
And though Amoris Laetitia arrived chronologically after Evangelii Gaudium, the text of the former was all but written first; the latter having been crafted with the specific intent of paving its way.
As for Gaudete et Exsultate (which, as a service to readers, I endured in full so you won’t have to) also finds its true purpose in Amoris Laetitia; namely, to expedite its acceptance and implementation throughout the Universal Church.
With its true aim defined, here I will offer readers an overview of part three of the Bergoglian Trilogy. This is a lengthy post, but hey… it’s only roughly 10% as lengthy as the document in question.
As with every diabolical initiative, Gaudete et Exsultate contains any number of true, and even laudable, statements. The most notable can be found in articles 159-163 of the text, which deals with the reality of the Devil as a real, personal figure. It also cites Sacred Scripture in speaking of “how the unguarded tongue, set on fire by hell, sets all things ablaze” (cf. Jas 3:6).
This portion of the text will likely dominate neo-conservative headlines; especially given the latest Scalfari interview scandal.
For our purposes, and in light of the warnings given in Sacred Scripture, we will focus on what matters most; namely, the not-too “little leaven” (aka poison) that is laced throughout the text of Gaudete et Exsultate.
If one should attempt to identify any particular part of the document as the “punchline,” a strong case can be made for the section subtitled, “Discernment,” which offers:
How can we know if something comes from the Holy Spirit or if it stems from the spirit of the world or the spirit of the devil? The only way is through discernment, which calls for something more than intelligence or common sense. It is a gift which we must implore. If we ask with confidence that the Holy Spirit grant us this gift, and then seek to develop it through prayer, reflection, reading and good counsel, then surely we will grow in this spiritual endowment. (Gaudete et Exsultate,166)
This is all the more important when some novelty presents itself in our lives. Then we have to decide whether it is new wine brought by God or an illusion created by the spirit of this world or the spirit of the devil. At other times, the opposite can happen, when the forces of evil induce us not to change, to leave things as they are, to opt for a rigid resistance to change. Yet that would be to block the working of the Spirit. (Gaudete et Exsultate,168)
Upon reading these articles, two things immediately came to mind: Firstly, this is precisely the question every one of us should be asking about Amoris Laetitia, which is obviously what the author of both texts has in mind.
Secondly, I made a note in the margins, The voice of Holy Mother Church???, fully expecting that Francis would ignore this most useful means of discernment at our disposal, but alas he did not:
Certainly, spiritual discernment does not exclude existential, psychological, sociological or moral insights drawn from the human sciences. At the same time, it transcends them. Nor are the Church’s sound norms sufficient. We should always remember that discernment is a grace. (Gaudete et Exsultate, 171)
So there you have it, folks; the punchline:
If you happen to be struggling to accept Amoris Laetitia and its novelties, the reason is simple; it is because you lack the special “grace” necessary to recognize it as a gift of the Holy Ghost! After all, “personal discernment” takes precedence over the immutable practices and doctrines of the Holy Catholic Church, as the latter is insufficient.
Now, a word of caution – do not be fooled by what appears in the text two articles later:
Naturally, this attitude of listening entails obedience to the Gospel as the ultimate standard, but also to the Magisterium that guards it, as we seek to find in the treasury of the Church whatever is most fruitful for the “today” of salvation. (Gaudete et Exsultate, 173)
Bear well in mind that Francis considers his own heresy to be “authentic magisterium;” namely, the inglorious overturning of the bi-millennial practice of the Church and the clear words of Our Lord in Sacred Scripture! And this in pursuit of what is allegedly most fruitful for today. So much for guarding the ultimate standard.
If the true purpose of Gaudete et Exsultate is not already perfectly plain (namely, to expedite the acceptance and implementation of Amoris Laetitia throughout the Universal Church), what follows immediately should remove all doubt:
It is not a matter of applying rules or repeating what was done in the past, since the same solutions are not valid in all circumstances and what was useful in one context may not prove so in another. The discernment of spirits liberates us from rigidity, which has no place before the perennial “today” of the risen Lord. The Spirit alone can penetrate what is obscure and hidden in every situation, and grasp its every nuance, so that the newness of the Gospel can emerge in another light. (ibid.)
Ah, yes, newness.
Just as one may have expected, the “God of surprises” (a favorite Bergoglian nom du plume) made an appearance rather early in the text:
When somebody has an answer for every question, it is a sign that they are not on the right road. They may well be false prophets, who use religion for their own purposes, to promote their own psychological or intellectual theories. God infinitely transcends us; he is full of surprises. (Gaudete et Exsultate, 41)
The aforementioned is found in Chapter Two of the text; the entirety of which constitutes yet another frontal attack against “traditionalists” (aka Catholics).
In this, Francis offers nothing especially new; he simply repeats the same insults that he has been hurling at faithful Catholics from the earliest days of his “so-called pontificate” to quote dear Fr. Gruner yet again. (Yes, I am going to continue repeating this often; at least until such time as those posing as the caretakers of Fr. Gruner’s legacy cease pretending that he considered Francis anything other than an anti-pope.)
For instance, Francis bemoans those who “judge others based on their ability to understand the complexity of certain doctrines” (article 37); with the suggestion clearly being that Catholic doctrine is both difficult to understand (which it is not) and is ultimately useless in guiding one’s actions.
Incidentally, I have to say that I know of exactly no one who judges others on this criterion; i.e., this is yet another fake Bergoglian boogeyman meant to discredit the entirely valid resistance he is facing.
He went on to say, quoting his favorite authority, himself (specifically one of his own Santa Marta homilies):
A healthy and humble use of reason in order to reflect on the theological and moral teaching of the Gospel is one thing. It is another to reduce Jesus’ teaching to a cold and harsh logic that seeks to dominate everything. (ibid.)
Translation: It is harsh to treat the words of Our Lord as Divine Law, in particular as it concerns matters of morality. Rather, it is “humble” to “reflect” upon them until they no longer apply to everyone.
Seriously folks… can anyone provide even a shred of evidence that this man is Catholic? (Rhetorical.)
In keeping with his “according to me” theme, Francis repeated the following insults taken from Evangelii Gaudium – a document that is found in no less than eleven footnotes:
Here I would note that in the Church there legitimately coexist different ways of interpreting many aspects of doctrine and Christian life; in their variety, they “help to express more clearly the immense riches of God’s word”. It is true that “for those who long for a monolithic body of doctrine guarded by all and leaving no room for nuance, this might appear as undesirable and leading to confusion.” (Gaudete et Exsultate, 43)
Those who yield to this pelagian or semi-pelagian mindset, even though they speak warmly of God’s grace, “ultimately trust only in their own powers and feel superior to others because they observe certain rules or remain intransigently faithful to a particular Catholic style”. (Gaudete et Exsultate, 49)
This finds expression in a variety of apparently unconnected ways of thinking and acting: an obsession with the law … a punctilious concern for the Church’s liturgy, doctrine and prestige… (Gaudete et Exsultate, 57)
At this point, there can be no question about it: These articles, each one quoting Evangelii Gaudium, are intended to place those who oppose Amoris Laetitia squarely in the Bergoglian crosshairs, painting them not only as rigid, but as unholy.
As I stated at the opening, Evangelii Guadium was never meant to be anything more than an attempt to make straight the paths for Amoris Laetitia – a text that was essentially written, arguably, even before Benedict the Abdicator fled for fear of the wolves.
In the next chapter of Gaudete et Exsultate (Chapter Three), Francis reflects on the Beatitudes, and one in particular stands out in light of the invectives contained in Chapter Two (cited above).
Jesus calls us blessed when people “utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account” (Mt 5:11).
It occurs to me that it is in this way alone that Jorge Mario Bergoglio has managed to bless authentic Catholics, albeit inadvertently.
Consistent as ever, Francis once again blatantly misappropriated select quotes, placing them entirely out of context in order to lend Catholic credence to his diabolical ideas.
For instance, he states:
Saint John Paul II warned of the temptation on the part of those in the Church who are more highly educated “to feel somehow superior to other members of the faithful”. (Gaudete et Exsultate, 45)
Upon investigating the footnote, however, one discovers that John Paul II was not speaking of persons “highly educated” at all; rather he was writing about:
The possibility of a deeper spiritual formation might lead consecrated persons to feel somehow superior to other members of the faithful… (Pope John Paul II, Vita Consecrata 38)
Another blatant act of misappropriation can be found in the following:
When some of them tell the weak that all things can be accomplished with God’s grace, deep down they tend to give the idea that all things are possible by the human will, as if it were something pure, perfect, all-powerful, to which grace is then added. They fail to realize that “not everyone can do everything”… (Gaudete et Exsultate, 49)
The footnote to this nonsense reads:
Cf. Bonaventure, De sex alis Seraphim, 3, 8: “Non omnes omnia possunt”. The phrase is to be understood along the lines of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1735.
OK, let’s play along, shall we. The Catechism of the Catholic Chruch citation reads:
Imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors. (CCC 1735)
Now, let’s connect the dots.
As stated earlier, the true purpose of Gaudete et Exsultate is to promote Amoris Laetitia. With this in mind, one cannot help but think of the latter (AL 302), which also quotes this very same article from the CCC, with the ultimate purpose being to support the claim:
Hence it is can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace. More is involved here than mere ignorance of the rule. (AL 301)
The point of Gaudete et Exsultate 49 and its footnote is obvious; namely, to give the utterly false impression that St. Bonaventure, in stating “not everyone can do everything,” was referring to an inability on the part of some to keep the Divine Law – a heresy plainly put forth in Amoris Laetitia!
I will point out just one more instance of misappropriation:
Once we believe that everything depends on human effort as channeled by ecclesial rules and structures, we unconsciously complicate the Gospel and become enslaved to a blueprint that leaves few openings for the working of grace. Saint Thomas Aquinas reminded us that the precepts added to the Gospel by the Church should be imposed with moderation “lest the conduct of the faithful become burdensome”, for then our religion would become a form of servitude. (Gaudete et Exsultate 59)
First of all, no one with any Catholic credibility whatsoever believes that everything depends on human effort as channeled by ecclesial rules and structures; this is another Bergoglian strawman.
More importantly, it must be said that St. Thomas Aquinas, in the reference cited in the footnote (Summa Theologiae I-II, q. 107, art. 4), is not speaking of “precepts added to the Gospel by the Church” at all.
In the article cited, he is answering the question: “Whether the New Law is more burdensome than the Old?” To which, he concludes, the New Law is a lighter burden.
The quote offered in Gaudete et Exsultate as given by St. Thomas, was made in reference to the words of St. Augustine who said that “certain persons make it [religion] a slave’s burden.”
Aquinas is not suggesting that the Precepts of the Church should be “imposed in moderation.” In fact, it is calumny to suggest that he did.
Indeed, the Precepts are nonnegotiable. As we are taught in the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:
Undoubtedly we are obliged to obey the Church, because Jesus Christ Himself commands us to do so, and because the Precepts of the Church help us to observe the Commandments of God.
Once again, upon connecting the dots it is clear that the intent here is to lead the weak and the naïve to believe that the Commandments of God themselves must be imposed in moderation!
No surprise. After all, isn’t this the central theme of Amoris Laetitia?
Mercifully, I will highlight just one more portion of the text; namely articles 101 and 102.
Our defence of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development. (Gaudete et Exsultate 101)
While I fully expect Fr. Frank Pavone and other practitioners of pro-lifism to trip all over themselves applauding this particular sentence, what follows is a perfectly plain endorsement for the “seamless garment” approach to social justice made famous by Cardinal Bernardin.
Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection. (ibid.)
Yes, of course those persons listed (and not listed) are equally as sacred, but Francis does not stop there. He continues:
We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue. Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compared to the “grave” bioethical questions. (Gaudete et Exsultate 102)
In other words, one must not place a greater priority on the right of a living human person to be born without first being slaughtered in the womb of a woman who can’t be inconvenienced, than on an immigrant who desires to enter a sovereign nation uninvited.
Will the Fr. Frank Pavones of the world condemn this nonsense?
I doubt it, but we shall see.
More can be said about this latest installment in the Bergoglian Trilogy, and I will likely do so in the days to come, but at this point I believe that I have tortured you quite enough for one day.
The bottom line is clear: In spite of repeating certain true propositions, Gaudete et Exsultate, just like its two counterparts, represents a grave danger to souls.
So too does its author, the heretic Jorge Mario Bergoglio.
Thank you, Louie, for your persistence in exposing the diabolical mind of Jorge Bergoglio and his cohorts. I can’t help but think Bergoglio has a ghost writer whose name is Satan. These documents demonstrate the cunning expertise of Modernism at its best. “A little bit of truth, help the lies go down”. It is that “little bit of truth” which is the bait as the Catholic faithful get hooked into the World of Lies, fashioned by the Father of Lies himself. Louie, God bless you for your patience in examining these lengthy documents and for sharing your clear and analytic mind with your readers.
The timing of the release of this “exhortation” is amusing and hopeful. The whole Neo-Liberal/Globalist program in Europe just took such a beating in the Hungarian elections. This program is a failure and Bergoglio is its spiritual guru. Europeans are coming to grips with the facts that Jorge’s beloved refugees are destructive invaders and contracepting yourself out of existence is bad economically and socially. Bergoglio’s championing of “apokatastasis” in the next world and advocacy of one race and one government in this world are evil; and a growing chorus throughout the West is consistently rejecting all of it, including this prolix dreary drivel.
Dear Louie,
My admiration for you is immense and my heart goes out to you. What a honorable suffering you have taken on to have generously and continuously volunteered to read through this man’s vomit and to dissect it for all of its corruption it represents and for all of us to see. You really are in the trenches Louie and I can’t thank you enough.
The comment above about Bergoglio’s “vomit” brought to mind Proverbs 26:11, ” as a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.” An apt description of Bergoglio repeating and repeatedly referring to his errors, as if they were “other scriptures.”
Why does Newchurch title their cunning documents in Latin? Any thoughts on that?
Apostolic Regurgitation.
More fakery.
Ita ut in errorem inducantur ( si fieri potest) etiam electi.
Matt 24:24
Someone just sent me an article on CMtv about Dolan. It is sarcastic in rightly ridiculing the the politician posing as a Bishop as he condemned the pro death stance of the Dems. Wow , he just figured that out? Okay so why is anyone surprised?
It’s political signaling .
Dolan and his favorite friend Wuerl are angry that the gravy train from Fed dollars for immigrants legal and illegal for the Bishops is drying up. No mention of the DACA Dreamers in the latest Omnibus Bill. The Dems did not press their money making issue.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2018/03/30/here-we-go-again-bishops-appeal-to-prez-on-christian-charity-grounds-never-mention-their-federal-funding/
The Vatican sure appears to do the same for the UN’s agenda.
Liberal politicians posing as Prelates , are paid to do so or blackmailed and when the money begins to dry up or the protection is gone , they feel they are being betrayed and suddenly speak out.
Is this the real reason we get quasi Catholic Truths? Backroom deals with the devil and his minions?
Louie, This is very timely and Profound !
“Once we believe that everything depends on human effort as channeled by ecclesial rules and structures, we unconsciously complicate the Gospel and become enslaved to a blueprint that leaves few openings for the working of grace. Saint Thomas Aquinas reminded us that the precepts added to the Gospel by the Church should be imposed with moderation “lest the conduct of the faithful become burdensome”, for then our religion would become a form of servitude. (Gaudete et Exsultate 59)”
Now I understand why the TLM indult Diocesan recently told me I was “prideful” for asking that he hear my confession after I explained to him we have been deeply scandalized by priests we have had as pastors .
I have been leaving few openings for the workings of grace and complicating the Gospel by not accepting the grace that flows from the active sodomite priests I have come in contact with.
The one who did not know how to hear a Confession or say the prayers of Absolution really was telling me I was sinless or that my sins really did not matter !
There really is an entity referred to as the Devil….Hooray I was right about that.
I have been too rigid and it is time for me to loosen up.
In other words , I’m Ok and you’re OK is the new way to look at the Scriptures. As I have said before , Borgoglio’s Theology is all in the lyrics of John Lennon’s ,”Imagine”
IN SUM……
“Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope some day you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope some day you’ll join us
And the world will be as one”
Louie, Thanks for putting on your hip boots and wading through what none of us really want to.
Louie, this is no less that Francis’ official reply to the dubia and the two remaining Cardinals in particular. There is no longer any excuse from the hand wringers that he hasn’t replied yet.
This is no less than formal heresy.
Stand by for Tim Staples, Jimmy Akin et al to break out their brooms….or shovels?
These documents seemed to be addressed to the clergy. I liken it to a CEO putting out a company wide memo which boils down to saying: boys, it’s all in the internal forum now and the “discernment” (for “couples”) will go from “irregular” to “regular”. Got it? Good. Do it or else! — or else your “rigid” views will be broken up by a “surprise” visit from human resources.
It’s the Jiminy Cricket School of Theology–“Let your conscience be your guide”.
I guess Walt Disney had it right all along.
Instead of rigidly adhering to the man commonly thought to be the Pope, who was foisted on us by a demon-like “god of surprises,” we need to prayerfully discern this man’s heretical teachings and follow instead the promptings of the Holy Spirit that come to us through Scripture, Tradition, and the timeless Magisterium of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Otherwise, we’ll find ourselves absorbing the stinky smell of the sheep as we accompany them from the the peripheries of faith to the everlasting fires of hell.
Good Tuesday morning crawler,
Yes, as you say. The one who “foisted” this “false pope” upon us, in contradistinction to an “anti-pope”, as to have an, “anti-pope”, you must at once have a true Pope as the Vicar of Christ in this world present, is Lucifer himself. As it is indeed Lucifer’s church, this creature beast thing from Hell, the so called, “conciliar church” or “post-VCII church”. Because this church which claims to be Catholic, in ontological reality and with divine certitude, simply cannot be, how could it possible matter who claims its so called “Papacy” or “Bishopric” or who claims to be “priest” or “deacon” or “layman”??? In all honesty, what could it matter? It is not the Catholic Church established by the Son of God made man. Anyone as everyone who believes that it is, is simply in apostasy, and doesn’t even know that they are, as foretold in 2 Thes 2, and therefore this apostasy must occur with divine certitude, period and end. We are now living this thing. So much energy is wasted on Bergoglio. He is from Hell, Jorge. And the point. What can we expect, as the church which he claims the papacy of, is not the Church established by Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God, who commanded that it cannot fall to the “gates of Hell”. The true Vatican Council in its 4th Session, July, 1870, infallibly commanded that no Holy Roman Pontiff can lose his personal faith. Bergoglio, Ratzinger, et al, and back to Roncalli, precious none of them hold the Faith, as they hold “Vatican II”, which is opposed to the Faith, as in heresy. “Lumen Gentium”, at paragraph 16, denies the Triune Personhood of Almighty God, tacitly, with a Luciferian slight of hand, as would be expected, as it is the work of the Prince. Thus, L.G. 16 denies the Apostles Creed in its profession of One God in Three Persons. Amen. Alleluia. May Almighty God have mercy on us as we await the very person of the Antichrist. God bless and keep you and yours’, crawler. In caritas.
2 Cents ……….It is ,”Let your uninformed conscience be your guide”,and just in case it is aware what sin is , ignore it, because you have probably fallen into the sin of being too rigid.
This is none other than Teilhard’s Cosmic Christ, always evolving, always in divine motion upward and in Marxist motion forward. This is the theological capitulation to Teilhard de Chardin’s chimerical vision of the perpetually evolving cosmos which was condemned in Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis as Monism and Pantheism.
Of course this requires ‘discernment’ because any one rigid enough to adhere to the hermeneutical standards established at Trent and Vatican I would be uninitiated in the new Gnosticism of Conciliar consciousness. For these theological Modernists, it all about the evolving consciousness of mankind. Now that man has the self-awareness of his place in the march of evolution towards the convergence of all minds in the supra noosphere at Point Omega, man can directly affect and influence his destiny and the destiny of the world.
This consciousness is the subject of John Paul II’s declaration in Redemptor hominis that we now have an awareness of the church “in an utterly new way, quite unknown previously, thanks to the Second Vatican Council.” The consciousness must be open to the ‘God of surprises’ as he evolves the cosmological system that he launched into existence by the mythical Big Bang.
Pope Francis is no dummy. This is a very coherent system of theology that hums like a fine tuned machine. The problem is, it is not Catholic theology, and the Cosmic Christ of Teilhard de Chardin is not the Christ of the New Testament.
Yes, Mike, even the elect! Question is: Who are the elect?
By the way, an apostolic exhortation is not a magisterial document.
Yes. This is real.
ENJOY!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OLRZ45t68Q0
“We control the seminaries, the academic departments of theology, the catechetical and liturgical institutions, the publishing houses, the magazines that matter and the chanceries. Most of the bishops are now on our side and those that aren’t have been neutralized. Anybody who wants a future in the hierarchy or the Catholic academy has no choice but to co-operate.” ― Fr. Hans Küng, expert theological advisor to members of the Second Vatican Council. Fr. Hans Küng ,”worthy” recipient of the Freemasons’ lifetime achievement award
It can be. The type of document has nothing to do with its magesterial attributes.
Prisca , Thanks for this, it gave me a really good laugh for the day. Too bad it was so sad but if we do not laugh we will cry all the time , right?
Three overweight middle aged women with a bald gender questionable guy doing some really BAD steps in a Katholic church I presume, with flowing pieces of chiffon and paper depiction puppets of doves…….all to the tune of “Imagine”.
Yes, it’s St. Francis Xavier in New York, the very pro-sodomite, zen in the basement and performing arts!
Here are more of their performances. ANYTHING GOES, literally.
https://sfxavier.org/performing-arts-at-xavier
Cardinal Burke while still serving as the Apostolic Signatura said that this genre of Pontifical literature is not an act of the magisterium. Not that anyone cares. Most Catholics today think the Pope is infallible when he orders lunch.
And that, boys and girls is the unpleasant truth about the whole thing.
The issue of papal infallibility is only one part of the whole. The other issue is if one is a member of the Catholic Church.
For anyone to be a member of the Catholic Church, he must be;
1. Baptised; and,
2. Outwardly profess the Faith.
All others are excluded. It does not matter whether they hold, or purport to hold, a teaching office. If one is either not baptised, or does not profess the Faith, then he is not a Catholic. A Non Catholics is not eligible to hold any office in the Church, because he cannot rule over the body of which he is not a member.
The debate over whether something is Magisterial is subject to the one promoting it being firstly a Catholic.
Dear Catholic Johnny,
You were on the “Catholic mark” until this comment of yours’:
” By the way, an apostolic exhortation is not a magisterial document.”
Tom A is correct in his repair of your damage. Understand the infallible teaching of the true, as in one and only, Vatican Council in 1870. There is no particular “envelope” that the words from the mouth of the authentic as true Holy Roman Pontiff fall into. That is “Vatican II” gnostic speak, as Modernism itself, and this thing itself speaks, as res ipsa loquitur. Again, the dogmatic truths are realities as Truth, which a virtuous 12 year old in the state of grace must understand, at the pain of spending his eternity in Hell if he does not, period and end. Our Blessed Lord commanded that only those with the faith of a child will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. In this comment of yours’, you sound like the R&R charlatans, as JPeters, Folbrecht, Salza, Sisco, Matt, Ferrara, and the list goes on…. In the 4th session of the Vatican Council, July of 1870, the Council infallibly defines the divine Reality of Luke 22: 31-32, as meaning literally as actually, that the true Holy Roman Pontiff can NEVER lose his personal faith, period and end. Therefore, he can NEVER speak contrary to what the Holy Church has ever taught definitively anywhere, at anytime, or in any place, in word or in writing, in the cosmos. So called Raymond Cardinal Burke is Mr. Raymond Burke, as he is a member of the church of the Antichrist, which has no power to convey the Sacrament of Orders, nor the Rite of consecration, or any other Sacraments or Rites, but for Baptism. So your point, Catholic Johnny? “Lumen Gentium”, at paragraph 16, places an affront to the Apostles Creed, with a tacit denial of the Triune Personhood of Almighty God, period and end. This Luciferian slight of hand blasphemes God by denying precisely Who He has revealed Himself to Be, as Be Himself in Three Divine Persons, as properly understood metaphysically. This blasphemy causes all of His creation to shudder in righteous fear and indignation. Mr. Raymond Burke is an apostate to the One True Faith, as he professes so called, “Vatican II”, to be the teaching of the Holy Catholic Church, when VCII is in truth as Truth, in diametrical opposition to the Faith as heresy, and a pious 12 year old in the state of grace would know this, with divine certitude. You cannot make this stuff up Catholic Johnny, and you must know it, as your very salvation depends on it, as does every other human persons’, as extra ecclesia nulla salus is deFide, and as thus it can never, ever be altered one iota from its only, as original understanding. Amen. Alleluia. I pray this helps.
Dear The Papal Subject,
Amen. Alleluia. You speak the truth. God bless you and yours’. In caritas.
Out of respect for St. Francis Xavier, this “church” should be renamed the Anything Goes Star Search “church”… much more appropriate for star wannabes and numb audiences.
Gee Louie, is it just me or is your combox crawling with sedevacantists?
Dear Catholic Johnny,
Your ad hominem, although benign, speaks. Look to Truth, Catholic Johnny, not colloquialisms, as they will not, with divine certitude, save your eternal soul, man. A simply question of you. Can the Catholic Church deny the Apostles Creed and still be the Catholic Church, the One Church established by the Son of God made true Man, commanded into being, “upon this rock”, as Blessed Peter, and the “gates of Hell will not prevail against it”, and still be that Church established by the Son of God, while it denies the Apostles Creed? This is a question which a virtuous 12 year old in the state of grace could answer. You identify yourself as being “Catholic” in your very name and yet you are blind to the reality as Truth, that you are outside that same Church which you proffer in your moniker. I pray this helps. In caritas.
if it is conscience that produces faith–then there is no reason to believe that one faith saves any better than another, so long as the conscience is directed towards God. We are now being told that man does not receive truth but constructs it.
The Catholic Church is indefectible. Of course it has not denied the Credo.
Ock,
This quote applies perfectly to Opus Dei now .
Then how do you explain the defections of the faith in the documents of Vatican 2?
Hello again Catholic Johnny,
The church which calls itself “Catholic” and controls the temporal edifice the world over, that which was once controlled by the Church established by the Son of God made true Man, and that which claims Jorge from Hell, Mario Bergoglio as its “pope”, and Raymond Leo Burke as its “Cardinal and Bishop”, has indeed though denied the Credo, with divine certitude, and in the objective realm of reality, within “Lumen Gentium”, paragraph 16, period and end. Since that false church calls “Lumen Gentium”, the “Dogmatic Constitution on the Church”, and claims that document to be of an “Ecumenical Council”, we know with divine certitude that it CANNOT be the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church which that Council and document belong to. You must know this Catholic Johnny, as must we all, as each our very own eternal salvation rests upon dying within the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, as there is no salvation outside of Her, deFide. The church which all but all of the baptized and the unclean throughout the entire world believe to be “Catholic” is actually as literally, the church of the Antichrist, as it denies the very Credo which defines who She simply Is, teaching then a false gospel. Saint Paul warned us that should anyone, even if it be one of them or an angel from Heaven, bring us a Gospel other than that which the Twelve gave us, let him be anathema. I pray this helps. The truth as Truth is very hard. In caritas.
Bergolio has a whole barn full of straw men. Everything he writes is littered with them, either creating a non-existent threat, a mischaracterization, or assigning improper motives or characteristics to people and groups. It gives me a headache to try to read his filth, and then, it makes me nauseated when I actually understand what the filth means.
Tom , St. Vincent of Lérins Commonitorium
Part I
Editor’s Comment:
St. Vincent of Lérins’ Commonitorium is reproduced as a sure guide of the
rule, yardstick, measure if you will which must be applied to discern the truths
of Faith, the correct path to follow, if we are to remain faithful to the One,
Holy, Roman, Catholic and Apostolic Church as darkness, apostasy and
novelties spreads over world.
“We hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all”
https://unavocecanada.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/St.-Vincent-of-L%C3%A9rins-%E2%80%98Commonitorium%E2%80%99-Part-I.pdf
Study the Church Fathers and what they said the interpretation of the various Scriptures meant and the first Councils which clearly defined the Faith before the first division in the established universal Church, prior to the greed of politics, monetary lust and territorial power which eventually entered in .
Correct, and that’s why it should be easy to see when using our God-given ability to REASON, that that “thing” in Rome, the counter-church of Satan, the “heterodox church of darkness”, the entity that has ECLIPSED the true Church (La Salette), which even Lefebvre deviously stated in Truth that to the degree one adheres to it one is no longer Catholic (while at the very same time he – and his followers – very much adhered to it and continue to adhere to it), IS NOT THE TRUE CHURCH. Period. End of story. Everyone needs to stop right now, humble themselves even just a tiny bit if possible, and admit “I AM NOTHING, AND I KNOW NOTHING. LORD, THAT I MAY SEE!” Then and only then will God consider healing the blindness.
Rome. Will. Lose. The. Faith. And. Become. The. Seat. Of. The. Antichrist. The. Church. Will. Be. In. Eclipse. Meaning it will be barely visible.. Eclipsed by what? The ape of the Church. The counter-church. The Operation of Error for all those who love not the Truth enough to take the road less travelled and the CALVARY that comes with it to save their immortal soul.
In the New Testament the Elect are:
Those who show in their conduct that they are choice men … who fight on the side of the Lamb against the powers of darkness… who are foreknown, predestined, called, justified, and glorified … “a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people”, called from darkness into God’s marvelous light.
Those whose cries for vengeance God hears, and for whose sake He will shorten the last days .
–who strive to win the eternal prize, with neither presumption nor despair, knowing God provided all they need to be saved.
[from Catholic Encyclopedia]
Thank you, Mike. I pray there are still some elect today who will not be fooled and who will fight on the side of the Lamb against the Powers of Darkness. I appreciate your response. God bless.
This is for Catholic Johnny–I believe Louie has declared himself a sede with regard to Francis. If I have misunderstood, I’ll appreciate being corrected.
Good Wednesday morning Mike,
You speak the Catholic truth as Truth, as our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ commanded: When the Son of Man returns, will He find any faith upon the earth?, and You are either with Me or you are against Me. God bless you and yours’ in this very particular time of unmitigated darkness, the world over, as the Prince and his minions coalesce, awaiting the person of the Antichrist. May Almighty God especially bless you and yours’. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
Good Wednesday morning A Simple Beggar,
May Almighty God in His infinite mercy and gentleness continue to bestow upon you, the grace of the intellective light of the One Who Simply Is Light, the Beloved Son of God, our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ, the chosen One of God, the Messiah, as the Savior of this wretched world. Amen. Alleluia. It was Saint Louis Marie Grignon deMontfort, who said it would be in the end times, when Holy Mother Church would find Her greatest Saints. It was also that great Saint who declared that all those who do not seek the Blessed Virgin, the holy Mother of God and our Mother as given us by the One Who simply Is–as She then is our Mother and our love as the Mother of the One Who Is Love–they would not find their way into the Kingdom of God. As it is She whom Almighty God commanded as the Mediatrix of all His grace and mercy, the holy segue into the Kingdom of Heaven thus. Have mercy on us our Lady and our Love, as our Mother and the Mother of the One Who Is Love, as Deus Caritas Est. Amen. In caritas.
Johnny, God has smiled upon you because you are receiving wisdom from the only remaining Catholics, especially In caritas. The Church is defunct, despite its billion-plus members and Christ’s promise.
The combox is crawling with sedevacantists and…I don’t even know what you call the people for whom not only is the sede vacant but every pew and folding chair is as well.
Blunder,
You choose to believe lying (2 Thess ch 2), while attacking those who sincerely seek the Truth, by God’s Grace and by God’s Grace alone. Not only that, you rash judge by calling certain individuals “Sedevacantists”. I am not a sedevacantist. That is just another of Satan’s many traps. Few are to be saved. You would call Our Lord a liar? Follow the path of the many at your own risk. I’ll follow Christ to the Cross where even He was left totally abandoned by His Father. That is where you can say I find myself now – HOPEfully as part of the Mystical Body of Christ – without a HOLY Father or any shepherds that I can see or be certain of from whence they come.
You claim to be a part of a Catholic Church that is completely invisible, has no priests, no leadership, no sacraments and no members – well, maybe you and a couple of others. This Catholic Church is clearly not one. It is not apostolic. It is not holy, as its membership appears to consist entirely of people who refuse to go to a Church on Sunday. And it most certainly not Catholic.
To the contrary:
The church you adhere to has defected from the Faith, as evidenced, in black and white, in the documents of Vatican II.
The church you adhere to is not Holy, as one can witness by visiting canon212.com twice per day.
The man you adhere to as Pope, cannot possibly be the Pope, as he is a public heretic, and even prior to his “elevation”. Case in point, as “Archbishop” he prayed with Jews (condemned). The same goes for each “Pope” back to Pius XII. They were public heretics even prior to “elevation” and the evidence is clear, and even published.
The ECLIPSED Church is still visible. You misunderstand and misinterpret the meaning of visibility.
The church you adhere to is not ONE. For one example it has TWO forms of worship (“ordinary” and “extraordinary”), not to mention can you honestly say that all are of ONE MIND IN THE FAITH?
The church you adhere to is therefore NOT Apostolic.
The true Church has ALWAYS taught that the Faith comes before Sacraments, and that the faithful have a right and duty to know from whence their pastors come. You ASSUME that your pastors were called, chosen, and sent by God. They adhere to Vatican II, and hence you do not follow the command of St. Paul.
The Church states infallibly that if one holds even a tiny iota of error, they cease to be Catholic. The church you adhere to is NOT Catholic.
We are not in ordinary times. We have been wrapped up in and witnessing the Great Apostasy and the prophecies of Daniel.
Nevertheless, don’t listen to me, I’m just regurgitating what the Church HAS ALWAYS TAUGHT, as we are commanded to believe and follow even if it means the shedding of our blood. It’s not my job to and I cannot convince you. You’ve already chosen your side of the fence, and God will ratify that choice upon your dying breath.
I forgot to mention:
The church you adhere to has changed ALL of the Sacraments (condemned), down to removing the Exorcism prayer at Baptism, as well as removing from ordinations the mention of the power to forgive sin! Not to mention the change in the Consecration of bishops. It changed the very words of the Consecration of the Body and Blood of Christ, and not just with respect to “many” or “all”.
The lack of Grace the church you adhere to contains is evidenced within the walls of almost any visible church you would attend on any given Sunday.
If the church you adhere to is Catholic, then by default you, yourself, call God a liar.
Dear Blunderbuss,
A Simple Beggar has just evidenced for you the Catholic Truth. May Almighty God continue to bless and shower him/her with His intellective light, as Light Himself. You are deceived Blunderbuss and in your deception, freely chosen by you, as you receive from Almighty God that which you freely will, the “operation of error to believe lying”, are on your way to an eternity in Hell, not because this miserable wretch says so, but because the Holy Writ does. Saint Paul proclaimed that those who receive the operation of error to believe lying are doomed, and that unless they freely choose then to divorce their embrace of iniquity and receive His grace, they will be damned.
A simple question of you again, Blunderbuss, and this simply to assist in your salvation as we are commanded to assist in the salvation of the other, unto our death. Amen. Can the Catholic Church deny the Apostles Creed and still be the Catholic Church, the One Church established by the Son of God made true Man, commanded into being, “upon this rock”, as Blessed Peter, and the “gates of Hell will not prevail against it”, and still be that Church established by the Son of God, while it denies the Apostles Creed? This is a question which a virtuous 12 year old in the state of grace could answer. You identify yourself as being “Catholic” and yet you are blind to the reality as Truth, that you are outside that same Church which you profess to be a member of. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Good afternoon, In Caritas.
Thank you for all of your kind words. I can hope that it’s not me speaking but the Holy Ghost, and I ask as much now when (rarely) saying anything about these serious matters. I formerly spoke from my own useless opinions. The Truth truly does set us free.
I should clarify what I said with regard to it “not being my job” to convince our dear Blunder. What I meant to say was that the “convincing” can only come through God’s Grace and the action of the Holy Ghost, once one is properly disposed to receive the graces. If one is truly of good will, this can still be quite the process and can contain many stages when it comes to purging all of the lies we’ve been fed. I can now identify the stages in myself, mainly over the last 5 years as I sought answers and took positions which might explain the current circumstances (which using reason and logic I could not reconcile), but really it all began a long, long time before that. I cannot stand the thought of anyone at all going to hell, which compels me to speak up now and again. Nevertheless, if I am not in the Truth and on the path to salvation myself, how can I possibly help save another soul, even via prayer? This is why it’s so critical for each person to take this all so very seriously.
We will be saved together or we will be damned together.
The Catholic Church does not deny its own faith.
Jesus did not wear a dress, burn incense, have altar servers, readings, consecrate small, flat wafers, or take up a collection at the Last Supper. The Latin Mass is nothing like early Church services, and even itself changed a lot over time. You can’t argue that sacrament externals don’t change.
LaSalette…now there’s a murky apparition of ever there was one. Many different versions of the message, a seer whose writings landed on the Index of Forbidden Books, another one who kinda lost it and several allege predictions that most certainly have not happened (Northern Protestant country conversion, for instance.) Not sure you want to be relying on that.
It may as well be Ex Cathedra, for the modernists will use it as de facto official teaching to smash the faith.
Look at what they did with Amoris Laetitia. It’s veritable dogma now and has been used to change the practical teaching on communion for the divorced and remarried in dioceses across the globe.
Just wait until its added to the Acta Apostolicae Sedis just as Amories Laetitia was….
And yet again, Blunderbuss,
A simple question of you yet again and this simply to assist in your salvation, as we are commanded to assist in the salvation of the other, unto our death. Amen. Can the Catholic Church deny the Apostles Creed and still be the Catholic Church, the One Church established by the Son of God made true Man, commanded into being, “upon this rock”, as Blessed Peter, and the “gates of Hell will not prevail against it”, and still be that Church established by the Son of God, while it denies the Apostles Creed? This is a question which a virtuous 12 year old in the state of grace must answer, under the pain of Hell. You identify yourself as being “Catholic” and yet you are blind to the reality as Truth, that you are outside that same Church which you profess to be a member of. That is objectively true because that creature beast thing from Hell itself, which you are utterly deceived into professing is the Church established by Jesus the Christ, simply cannot be as objectively understood, as it rejects the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as it rejects the Credo of the Apostolic Faith, period and end, at Lumen Gentium paragraph 16.
Know with the certitude of objective reality, that which is right before our very eyes, that the church to which you adhere, is denying the very Credo of the Catholic Church, specifically, as factually, as actually thus, and with its so called, “Dogmatic Constitution on the Church” no less, “Lumen Gentium” at paragraph 16. You are culpable for this Blunderbuss, as are we all, as it is in the realm of the objective, that which a virtuous 12 year old must know, to save his soul, as Christ Jesus our Lord commands. Amen. Alleluia. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Blunderbuss:
Of course the Catholic Church doesn’t deny the Faith. You are correct. The church you call the Catholic Church has, in fact, done so.
LaSalette was approved by the real Catholic Church – the non-apostate Church prior to Vatican II. There is more to say about your statements but you can investigate on your own if you care about Truth at all.
An honest question for you, Blunder. Is it safe to say that you are in a State of Grace?
Blunderbuss and CatholicJohnny: “crawling with sedevacantists”.
As in creepy-crawly? Insects or other creatures that crawl and make people feel fear and disgust?
@In caritas – I’m not a virtuous 12 year old so maybe you can explain it to me another way?
@A Simple Beggar – LaSalette was approved, yes. Melanie also tried to publish stuff that was not. All of the stuff predicted was supposed to happen by 2000. No Pope has been persecuted. No Northern Protestant country had converted. And if there is no visible Church, then not only am I not in the state of grace, I’m not even Caholic since my Baptism was invalid. The same goes for you and for everyone born since Vatican 2. What a sneaky deity we worship. And every one of us is wasting our time trying to be good. You actually believe this nonsense?
Dear Blunderbuss,
Can you please enlighten me as to where it was stated that “stuff” was to happen by 2000?
The Pope (the Papacy) has definitely been persecuted in that it has been usurped and “taken out of the way”. It’s in part a symbolic statement. Read 2 Thess ch 2. God, Himself, allowed this “Operation of Error”, so dare to call Him “tricky” then. If the operation of error is not now, when at present we even have a Novus Ordo retired bishop calling for a conclave because he says Francis cannot possibly be Pope, and everyone else that even bothers to pay attention is scrambling for answers or excuses, then please give me another (even worse, if possible) scenario of how and when this could take place.
As for being in the State of Grace, the correct answer for you AND for me, is “I do not know for certain.”
…”not only is the sede vacant but every pew and folding chair is as well.” Touche’. Quotable! And how about “omniavacante”.
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How true, according to the latest statistics for the unHoly Novus Ordo Church of Satan headed up by your (un)holy Francis. The Graces are so clearly abundant and at work in the peoples!
The rash judging, ad hominem attacks continue: not everyone you label a Sede is actually an adherent of the Sedevacantist sect.
It’s true, and I’ll agree with you. There are numerically more Catholics today than at any point in history. And as a percentage of the world’s population, Catholics are also the highest in history.
What statistics were you talking about?
Bravo. You’ve coined the name of your splinter of a splinter of a splinter of a splinter offshoot of the Catholic Church. I would register that domain name now, before someone else does.
Sedevacantists be like:
And the Lord God said to the serpent: Because thou hast done this thing, thou art cursed among all cattle, and the beasts of the earth: upon thy breast shalt thou go, and earth shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
Yeah, that kind of crawling lol.
And that’s Douay Rheims so don’t even try to correct it lol
Good Wednesday evening 2Vermont,
Once again, your sophomoric attempt to demean in the ad hominem simply speaks to your utter lack of intellective capacity to muster even that which a virtuous 12 year old in the state of grace must know to save his soul. In lieu of the intellective operation, you reach into your entrails and utter colloquial gibberish, which will only take you to Hell. Amen. Was it not you who recently referred to Blunderbuss as a “troll” and now you seek his approval for you childish rant? It is the Truth which causes you to shudder 2Vermont, as He must, and as it is only He Who has power over you. Have you read Lumen Gentium 16 2Vermont, as the church which you adhere to and profess to be the “Catholic Church”, denies the very Apostolic Creed in the objective realm of reality. Do you have the intellective capacity to read and understand Lumen Gentium 16 or are you simply to riddled with fear to even approach the Satanic document from Lucifer’s council and church? What is it that you do not understand, when Christ Jesus our Lord commands that when He comes again, it will be as the times of Noah, in Matthew 24? How many souls were objectively saved in the Deluge 2Vermont? Do you even know? I pray this helps. In caritas.
cal-catholic.com/mass-attendance-by-catholics-resumes-downward-slide/
That’s ok, Blunderbuss. You may call me a splinter. I am honored to be a fool for Christ, His Church and the Truth. It’s only the Truth and what God sees in my heart and actions that matters, not what anyone in some combox judges. I’ll take my chances by following actual Church Law and the admonishments of St. Paul, by the Grace of God, as did the despised true Catholics during the French Revolution. Christ said “My sheep know My Voice”, and stated over and over that “few” are saved. I love Louie’s own sage advice as I refuse to deny reality in order to be “comfortable” and popular:
“…one is never required to deny objective reality in order to remain a faithful Catholic; indeed, the exact opposite is true, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, no matter how impressive their academic qualifications may be.”
The number of the elect is so small – so small – that were we to know how small it is, we should faint away with grief. The number of the elect is so small that were God to assemble them together, He would cry to them, as He did of old, by the mouth of His prophet, “Gather yourselves together, one by one” – one from this province, one from that kingdom.’
-St. Louis Marie de Montfort
The Fewness of the Saved, by St Leonard of Port Maurice
https://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml
All the best to you, BB. I do understand where you are coming from.
You should ask a virtuous 12 year old which is the better name for your position: “Omnivacantist” per @John314 or “Omnisedmeumvacantist” per everything you’ve said.
As you are the true Remnant, I strongly urge you to bring legal action against that Minnesota publication that is laying claim to your rightful title:
Dear Blunderbuss,
Have you read Lumen Gentium 16? The very salvation of your soul is at stake. In caritas.
IC: “Was it not you who recently referred to Blunderbuss as a “troll” and now you seek his approval for you childish rant? ”
Seek his approval? As a sedevacantist, why would I do that? What I did (since it is clear you didn’t understand) was provide a dictionary definition of “creepy crawler” to make a point against his (and Catholic Johnny’s) ad hominem against those of us who are sedevacantist. And, no, I have never called Blunderbuss a troll. Get your posters straight.
Blunderbuss, have any of the sedevacantists who post here called you any names? Have they been uncharitable? Have they ever even suggested that you are of Satan, less than human? Because what I find interesting is that I always read about how bitter and nasty sedevacantists; however, in reality it’s the anti-sedevacantists who come out with the nastiness.
Yes Blunder, the comments on this blog that attack you with insults are from those that advocate recognize and resist, not the sedes. As a sede, I was where you are not too long ago trying to defend what I believed was the Catholic Church. You should be commended for that. However, in order to defend the Church, I had to study its history and doctrines. It is then that I was able to see the great modernist deception.
@In caritas – what does Lumen Gentium 16 have to do with anything? Yes I’ve read it,
@2Vermont – Traditonalists say that confusion is of the devil. The verse I posted is about the devil. If denying reality and claim there is no Pope, that Benedict is stil Pope, or even more extreme theories isn’t sowing confusion, I don’t know what is. Apologies if I offended you – I was probably being too snarky.
Those are US stats. Most of the Caholic Church isn’t in the US.
I hate that the St. Leonard of Port Maurice sermon seems to always surface among Trads. Extrapolate the numbers and it means that today between 10 and 20 people worldwide get into purgatory or heaven each day now and everyone else – about 155,990 – goes to hell. I’m not going to touch on the insane notion that a just God denies aborted or unbaptized babies heaven because of a technicality or beats down people of good will who are not baptized. So let’s stick to people you won’t argue about who, even under the most draconian application of supposed divine “justice” do get into heaven. You would agree thay at least 10 or 20 baptized children below the age of reason and martyrs die each day. That means those saved slots are filled and your chance and mine is zero. It makes no sense. Why bother even trying?
Good Thursday morning 2Vermont,
I am sorry for mischaracterizing what you wrote and for misappropriating the “troll” comment of “Blunderbuss” to you. When I read “satire” though, I understand satire for what it is, and to quote you:
‘ ” Blunderbuss and CatholicJohnny: “crawling with sedevacantists”.
As in creepy-crawly? Insects or other creatures that crawl and make people feel fear and disgust?” ‘
I am simply responding to what is written, apart from who may have written it. In caritas.
Blunderbuss: Thank you for your apology. I do appreciate it. I think we all have to try hard to watch our “tongue”.
Yes, confusion and division comes from the Devil. The problem is you only see confusion and division among traditionalists. The confusion and division is among all Catholics, lay and clergy alike….traditionalists and those who attend the Novus Ordo. What traditionalists are trying to do is explain why there is confusion and division.
One of the four marks of the Catholic Church is unity. I would argue that the very reason why this unity is missing is because we have no true pope. Does this solve the problem? No, but it is the diagnosis of the problem.
Good Thursday morning Blunderbuss,
How about 8 souls objectively saved on the earth at the time of the Deluge, Blunderbuss. There simply is no escaping this inerrant, as Holy Scriptural, reality. That causes you to utterly shiver in your boots, doesn’t it Blunderbuss?, as it aught cause us all to incur the same righteous fear. Christ Jesus the King commanded in the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 24, that when the Son of Man returns, it will be as the time of the Deluge. What is it about the command of the God-Man that you don’t grasp, as any virtuous 12 year old in the state of grace simply MUST, to save his soul? In Matthew 24:39, Christ commands thus: “And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.” Do you deny the command of the Son of God, our Beloved Dominus Deus Sabbaoth and Savior, Jesus the Christ? Tell us dear sage, how is it that it will be as the time of Noah when Christ comes again and Finally, that we can have 1.2 billion “catholics” who hold the true Catholic Faith while professing the Apostles Credo as a mark of that One True Faith, and while at once it WILL BE as the time of Noah as Christ Himself commands? I pray this helps, as it is objectively clear, that you indeed hold the, “operation of error to believe lying” within the operation of your will, as you defy the very Son of God’s command. Amen. In caritas.
Hello again Blunderbuss,
To quote you in your query of me:
“@In caritas – what does Lumen Gentium 16 have to do with anything? Yes I’ve read it,”.
The essence of your very question as quoted from you, itself speaks as res ipsa loquitur. Again your query, “–what does Lumen Gentium 16 have to do with anything?” Your claim is that you have read it and yet you evidence a perfect blindness in your query of me now, “what does Lumen Gentium (L.G.) 16 have to do with anything?”, as L.G. 16 PATENTLY DENIES
Blunderbuss,
Picking up now where I left off, but starting from the beginning for continuity, as what was written was inadvertently “sent” before completion:
Hello again Blunderbuss,
To quote you in your query of me:
“@In caritas – what does Lumen Gentium 16 have to do with anything? Yes I’ve read it,”.
The essence of your very question as quoted from you, itself speaks as res ipsa loquitur. Again, your query, “–what does Lumen Gentium 16 have to do with anything?”. Your claim is that you have read it and yet you evidence a perfect blindness of precisely what L.G. 16 parlays in your query of me now, “–what does Lumen Gentium (L.G.) 16 have to do with anything?”, as L.G. 16 PATENTLY DENIES the primary mark of the One, True, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith, the very Apostles Creed itself is DENIED. By professing the Credo, while holding it in the operation of the will and thereby freely giving one’s assent to it, one acknowledges himself as being a visible member of the One, True, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, period and end. To deny the Creed, as L.G. 16 does in the objective realm of reality, is to DENY the very APOSTOLIC FAITH, which the Catholic Church professes as Her Faith, period and end. If one denies the Apostolic Faith, one is simply not Catholic, and therefore as objectively understood, on his way to an eternity in Hell with Lucifer, as his Prince, as there simply is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, deFide. To deny this dogmatic reality of extra ecclesia nulla salus, is also to damn one’s eternal soul, as it is deFide, and as thus requires an assent of the will into its belief as truly Catholic. Amen. Alleluia. I pray this helps as your very eternal salvation depends upon it. In caritas.
@In caritas – your math says that since Christ was born, between 7 and 14 million people have been saved while over 50 billion (yes, billion) are in hell.
You do realize that if the Church actually preached this, it would have zero members, right? Who would sign up for that? There would be absolutely no point to the sacraments or the Mass because you’re up against insurmountable odds. No rational person would spend a lifetime struggling against natural inclinations and making sacrifices only to surely be condemned anyway. In fact, most people would become far worse because if hell is a virtual certainty, it doesn’t really matter what you do. And that the devil is winning because he’s getting 99.9% of humans condemned. And that an all-knowing god would have seen this coming and yet still created human beings because…what? He likes to see people going to hell? He wanted to have a massively failed experiment called the human race? He thinks it’s funny? You’re attributing qualities of the devil to God and it’s disturbing that you would actually believe this and claim to be the last true Catholic.
And again Blunderbuss,
Your hubris itself, does indeed speak. You had this to say:
“No rational person would spend a lifetime struggling against natural inclinations and making sacrifices only to surely be condemned anyway.”
You actually as literally do not even know what it is that you write. You are now positing, contrary to the infallible teaching of the Holy Catholic Church in Her Universal Magisterium, that it is the “rational” function of the human intellective operation, which somehow saves us, because in your truth as deception–as that is all it can be as it objectively places an affront to the infallible teaching of Holy Mother Church–“No rational person would spend a lifetime struggling…”, as if we are saved by virtue of our “struggling” and as “rational” human persons. That is called “Naturalism” and as akin to Freemasonry, and as infallibly condemned by Pope Leo XIII, and in his infallible teaching as Encyclical, “Humanum Genus” in the 19th century, Amen. God have mercy on you. We are sanctified by grace alone Blunderbuss, as it is grace which flows from the Singular Redemptive Act of Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God, which perfects our perfectly as infinitely miserable human creatureliness. You simply have no concept, none at all, of just how perfectly miserable that you simply are, as are we all, period and end. You believe that it is “Blunderbuss” and his magnificent ability to “rationalize” which gets that same Blunderbuss to Heaven. That singular belief alone, will actually as literally take you to Hell for all of your own as personal eternity, Amen. Do you know dear Blunderbuss that as you hold that belief, you truly deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, as the Singular Being in the cosmos, who could freely offer His Life, as Life Himself, for the purpose of the salvation of each of us, from the beginning and unto the end of time?
The Universal Magisterium in its infallibility simply can never contradict “right reason”, as it is “right reason” which finds its Wellspring in the Mind of God Himself, as taught by the Angelic Doctor in his Summa Theologiae. What you proffer is wrong reason and this itself speaks. We are commanded to suffer this side the veil Blunderbuss and to suffer in love as our perfectly miserable reflection of the One Who simply Is Love, while on His Holy Cross. That is authentic Church teaching and there is no escaping it. It is called “faith”, which is the gift both freely given and completely undeserved by Almighty God to His miserable creatures. That is what gets us to Heaven dear Blunderbuss, not our “rational” intellective power, as Christ Jesus commanded, only those with the faith as a child, will see the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
And by the way,
The only number of souls that I gave to you, were the 8 objectively saved at the time of the Deluge. It was Christ Jesus our Lord and God Who Himself commanded in Matthew 24:39, that it would be as the time of Noah when He comes again. Do you actually as literally DENY the words from the very Mouth of the Son of God, made true Man??? In caritas.
I appreciate the compliment that my point is so minutely inaccurate that I’m falling into a highly nuanced and intellectual heresy…but I’m not. My point is much simpler.
A loving, rational God doesn’t create a universe with laws whose net effect is to send an endless stream of 99.999% of His creations to His nemesis.
If you tell people that by after spending a lifetime denying themselves the things to which their appetites naturally lead them, there is still a 99.999% certainty that they will wind up in hell anyone, the only people who will follow you are lunatics.
This is precisely why the Church has NEVER taught this. This is a sermon – by NOBODY’S definition infallible – said for effect. You and many others are choosing to make it dogmatic and act as if you’ve discovered this hidden truth in the writings of an obscure Saint that somehow the rest of the Church has overlooked. And you use it to justify your insane assertion that he entire visible Catholic Church has apostatised. The idea that God inspired someone to found a religion while on the toilet (Luther) or finding “seer stones” (Joseph Smith) is positively reasonable my comparison.
Dear Blunderbuss,
We are born with Original Sin due to the fall. It literally runs through our veins. As such, without its removal via Baptism, we cannot enter Purgatory, nevermind heaven. We are literally unrecognizable to God in that state. This is why God spoke once Our Lord was baptized and said, “This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.” In His baptized Humanity, He was now the NEW Adam.
No mortal can enter heaven having even one unforgiven Mortal Sin upon the soul, which is forgiven usually through the Sacrament of Confession, or where that is impossible, a Perfect Act of Contrition.
Without being in the State of Grace, we cannot have supernatural Charity. Without supernatural Charity, even our “good” acts are as nothing before God. Without loving God first, and with our whole mind, heart and strength, everything we do has some selfish ulterior motive and as such these acts do not flow out of the love of God and hence are worthless.
In order to be in a State of Grace, one first has to be a member of Christ’s Church, part of the Mystical Body of Christ. If one is not but is of good will and living according to the (proper) dictates of his or her conscience (the Natural Law), and has never heard of Christ or His Church, God will send someone to teach him or her the Faith, if even an angel. This is why it’s of utmost important that we ask God to guide us to Truth, and, if we are not within the confines of HIS Church, to place us there.
Given the state of today’s modern world (or in reality at any time in history as Scripture tells us that “There is nothing new under the sun”), what percentage of people would you estimate are even possibly living the life of Grace, which is required for the salvation of their immortal soul?
Well, this certainly spun out of control.
Look, if we who believe there have been successors to Pope Pius XII are wrong, what possible guilt could we incur? That we trusted the Church? That we understood our role as faithful laymen? But if you sedevacantists are wrong, you are going to guilty of usurping your proper authority and station in life and appointing yourselves judges of the Popes. That a position not even espoused by the Abbe de Nantes, Fr. Gregory Hesse, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, or even Fr. Luigi Villa.
Have any of the conciliar pontiffs even attempted to bind Catholic consciences to an error by the exercise of the extraordinary magisterium?
No.
Hello Johnny,
There is much to be said here that might help, but for one we have the 4 Marks of the Church. The Vatican II church either possesses all four of these marks, or it does not, and clearly it does not.
The same down the line, with each sect, including Sedevacantism.
We are also commanded to hold to Tradition. The Vatican II church obviously does not. It teaches strange new doctrines which St. Paul told us to reject even if they should come from an angel from heaven.
Following any Operation of Error (2 Thess ch 2) is inexcusable. Christ stated that His sheep know His Voice.
CJ, during the Great Western Schism, those who sided with the anti-popes were simply in error. If Bergolio is Pope we are simply in error as to who was the proper holder of the office. We have no authority to declare or depose. We simply conclude a fact (see is vacant) and act accordingly. You, it seems believe Bergolio is the current occupant of the See so you should act accordingly to the perrenial teachings of the Church on how Her subjects must assent to the teachings on faith and morals by the Roman Pontiff. To withhold assent can very well be a mortal sin under most circumstances. You simply have no right to “resist” magesterial teachings be they solemn or ordinary.
IC: Thank you for your apology as well.
That’s a nice, concise explanation of that, Tom. Thanks
Dear A Simple Beggar,
Tom A has here and now proposed profound error once again as his truth in deception. Do not be caught off guard by this wolf in sheep’s clothing, as this thing speaks time and again now with Tom A, as res ipsa loquitur. Our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ commanded that we would know them by their fruits. His fruit is poison. He conflates truth with the lie, time and again, as he has been warned already 3 times. Amen. There is simply no precedent for where we find ourselves, as where the true Holy Roman Catholic Church is, in human history, as you know. To suggest what Tom A is suggesting is utter blasphemy, as what this does, is to yield utter complacency in the very matter of one’s own eternal salvation. Think carefully about what Tom A is actually as literally proposing here. As he compares our current situation to the 5th, as Great East/West Schism, he suggests that there is no worry, simply “pick your Pontiff”, if you will. What he is either utterly blinded to or covertly masking, one of the two, as there are no other alternatives in the objective realm of being, is that the real question here is, which church do we freely assent to? The church of Antichrist as the “conciliar church” or “VCII church”, or the Church of Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God, established on Blessed Peter ?, which prevails as commanded by the Son of God until the consummation of the world, Amen.
To make the wrong choice here is not simply choosing the wrong Pontiff as anti-Pope, which there is Church precedent for and does not send a soul to his eternity in Hell, as we even have a Saint (name escapes me, Vincent Farrar?) who made the choice of the anti-Pope and I believe it was Saint Catherine of Sienna who made the correct choice of Pontiff as Pontiff. The wrong choice here in our circumstance, as you know, is going to send all souls to their eternity in Hell, if they die without yielding their proper willful assent, as the, “operation of error to believe lying”, is sent to them by Almighty God, as they freely will it by virtue of their embrace of iniquity in lieu of truth as Truth Himself. Amen. Our Blessed Lord commanded, “No one comes to the Father except by Me”, as the Church teaches and deFide, extra ecclesia nulla salus and “You are either with Me or you are against Me.” Consider again the blasphemy that Tom A is parlaying here. Christ Jesus our Lord and our God commands, “You are either with Me or you are against Me”, and Tom A says: no worries, simply pick your Pontiff and stick with him as it is your submission into him, which is the most important thing, and in truth as deception then, as according to Tom A, not which Church as Church that you freely assent to, as a member of the Supernatural Society of Heaven on earth. Tom A is actually proffering that it is okay to be a member of the church of the Antichrist, which denies the very Triune Personhood of Almighty God, as long as you give your assent to the false pope of that same false church of Lucifer’s slaves. You cannot make this stuff up, A Simple Beggar.
Tom A actually proposes this:
” We have no authority to declare or depose.”
He is playing the Recognize and Resist heresy in a very cunning way here. The question, as you know, has precious nothing to do with, “deposing a true Pontiff”, as it is blasphemy to even suggest this, as the Vatican Council in its 4th Session 1870 July, infallibly proclaimed that the Holy Roman Pontiff can NEVER lose his personal faith, as they proclaimed thus:
” This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see…”
How could the Holy Roman Pontiff ever require so called, “deposition”, when he cannot, as infallibly proclaimed in 1870, lose his personal faith and fall into error thus? This discussion by Saint Robert Bellarmine was righteous because it had not been definitively defined, and as you know, he greatly doubted that the Holy Roman Pontiff could ever lose his personal faith, but now any debate whatsoever on this topic, as it is infallibly settled, is blasphemy, as anathema, which Tom A is suggesting in his proposition, “We have no authority to declare or depose”, as the query is pure conjecture as rhetoric and has no foundation in truth as Truth, as there is NO HUMAN PERSON in the cosmos, who can depose the Holy Roman Pontiff, period and end, as the Vatican Council defined his inability to lose his personal faith, Amen.
The first question must be as it can only be this: Is this church which every “pope” since 1958 has given his willful assent to, while proffering the lie that a church which literally as actually denies the very Apostles Creed at L.G. 16, by tacitly denying the Triune Personhood of Almighty God, can actually as literally be the Church which Jesus Christ established on Blessed Peter as the rock, period and end? Again, the answer must be known by a pious 12 year old in the state of grace, at the pain of Hell itself. To suggest as Tom A has done here, that an human person can literally bind their free will, giving assent into a church which denies the Apostles Creed, as it tacitly denies the Triune Personhood of Almighty God, and this is the church of Bergoglio as the church of the Antichrist, and that somehow compares to the choice of a “wrong Pope” as the Great Western Schism, evidences in itself, the diabolical disorientation of the mind. May Almighty God have mercy on Tom A for what he is doing. I pray this helps. In caritas.
Getting back on track with Louie discussed, has anyone else noticed that he promotes active life over contemplative life throughout the document? What a slap in the face that was to me. I say this as someone who is considering entering contemplative and tire of the push to be in the world, when I know prayer is the foundation of the Church. Gosh, Pope Francis is *such* a boring man.
Some of the commentators on this post – as well as elsewhere on AKA Catholic – should really start their own little blogs.
And again Blunderbuss,
As A Simple Beggar has beautifully edified for you once and again, the Holy Church has always taught that only Saints enter the Kingdom of Heaven, period and end. Most have been “invisible” to the world but we know precious few attain the Beatific Vision, as Christ Jesus our Lord has commanded, as in the holy Gospel of Matthew, 7: 13-16:
“Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
What more evidence as infinitely perfect proof could you possibly need, dear Blunderbuss? Amen. In caritas.
Dear In caritas,
Thank you for looking out for me as I believe you know I love and desire only the Truth. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I took his statement as in the hypothetical sense that IF this WERE a situarion of there being anti-Popes, and if Bergoglio WAS in fact the Pope (as has been proven he cannot possibly be), THEN it might be compared to the Saints you mention “making a mistake” during the Great Western Schism. He then goes on to say that as Johnny believes JB to be a true Pope, in conscience he therefore owes him his obedience, in that we cannot in reality resist a true Pope, which is true (albeit in this case of course hardly a “get out of hell free” card).
This point which the Sedes make hit me hard and helped me to arrive at proper conclusions, but I can see where it is a bit muddied, and might ultimately be misleading to someone who hasn’t yet reached a place of moral certitude.
This not being the best time of day for me, so I’ll have to re-read your assessment tomorrow. I truly enjoy reading your writings as my brain soaks up the laws of metaphysics like a sponge, being the pretty logical/black -and-white thinker that God made me to be. Just trust that as for me, I’ve gone through and been through every position held by the various participants of this combox, and by God’s Grace I will not be moved as I rest where I am, with all burning and remaining contradictions and questions now having been resolved by Truth itself.
Thank you again. God bless you, my friend.
Dear A Simple Beggar,
Please trust that as I am deeply humbled by your words and as I am and can only ever remain, this side the veil, a perfectly as infinitely miserable creature, I remain, In caritas, as my utterly imperfect reflection of the One Who simply Is, Caritas. God bless you and yours’. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
Hello again Catholic Johnny,
As is deeply sorrowful but true, as this thing itself speaks as res ipsa loquitur, these men that you mention above, all of them, with Lefebvre as the first, were apostates to the One True Faith, in the objective realm of being, as they had the council from Hell, as so called Vatican II, available to them, with Lefebvre as a purported “Council Father” no less, as has every human person since its nascent genesis, period and end. They were blind to the reality as Truth, as you now are evidencing as well, this blindness, that what is called an “Ecumenical Council” of the “Catholic Church”, as “Vatican II”, simply cannot be the Catholic Church as established upon Blessed Peter, the rock, by the Son of God made true Man. Amen. It cannot be the Catholic Church because so called Vatican II, again, actually as literally abandons the very Credo, as it tacitly denies the Triune Personhood of Almighty God with a Luciferian slight of hand, in Lumen Gentium, paragraph 16; this in the objective realm of being and therefore, there can be no excuse.
As the Angelic and General Doctor of Holy Mother Church taught, “being cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and under the same respect, as the law of non-contradiction, the most important metaphysical law. In that understanding, a church which tacitly denies the Apostles Creed as it denies the very Triune Personhood of Almighty God, cannot both be the Catholic Church which professes the Apostles Creed as a mark of the One, True Faith, and not be the Catholic Church which tacitly denies the Apostles Creed at so called L.G. 16, at the same time, period and end.
Since this creature beast thing from Hell itself denies the Credo, it simply must be rejected as the church of the Antichrist, as it teaches a false gospel and as Saint Paul warned, it can only be anathema thus, and fully rejected, as to not reject it, one freely assents with the operation of his will, into the false church of the Antichrist where there can be no salvation, deFide, as though it is the Church of Jesus the Christ, Amen. There is no other alternative. Lucifer has this masquerade locked tightly, as it is his last stand, Amen. As Saint Paul prophesied in 2 Thes 2, we bear witness to, “the operation of error to believe lying”, which is sent by Almighty God to those who freely will the lie in contradistinction to Truth Himself, as they embrace the comfort of the flesh in iniquity, and reject the Son of God made True Man as Truth Himself. Amen.
And so we all bear witness to the reality as Truth, that all of these men, each and every one of the miserable wretches, from Roncalli to Bergoglio, has freely assented into the Council from Hell as so called “Vatican II”, as though it is the teaching of the Holy Catholic Church. This is a lie which rocks the cosmos from its very foundational essence, Amen. As has been written on these pages several times now, the true Vatican Council, in its 4th Session, 1870, July, infallibly proclaimed that the Holy Roman Pontiff can “never” lose his personal faith, and as thus, we know with divine certitude that Roncalli through Bergoglio simply cannot be true Pontiffs, as these men evidence in the objective realm of being, utter apostasy, as they embrace so called “Vatican II”, which denies the Credo, as though it is the Catholic Church, and it simply cannot be. As the church which they call “Catholic” and claim the “papacy” of simply cannot be the Catholic Church, what difference can it make what they call themselves, as in “Pope”, “Bishop”, “Cardinal”, “priest”, “layman”, etc., as it is not the Catholic Church, period and end. I pray this helps, as our salvation depends upon knowing this, as we must die holding the One True Faith and not its ape from Lucifer. Lastly, know that it is now blasphemy as anathema to even discuss the possibility that a true Holy Roman Pontiff could at any time under any circumstance commit heresy, as the Vatican Council defined that is not possible, as the Pontiff can never lose his personal faith. To quote the Council,
“7.This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see…” I pray this helps. In caritas.
IC, you have completely misunderstood my post. The proposition I made is purely hypothetical. The premise is that IF Bergolio IS Pope. Of course you and I know that he IS NOT Pope nor ever was due to his apostasy. Not everyone reading this blog understands the historical context we find ourselves. I did not mean to say our decisions have little or no consequences as they perhaps did during the Great Schism. During the Great Schism the choice was between which Pope to follow, not which faith to practice. Today the choice is between the Catholic faith and a false religion spawned at V2 which blaphemies Almighty God with its man centered NO liturgy. I stand by every word I wrote.
Good Friday morning Tom A,
Who are you really? Your motives are murky at best, as trapped in a quagmire, as you continue to inject confusion, whether you know it or not. You write what you write Tom A, as do we all. The meaning speaks in the words, as Christ Jesus our Lord and our God commanded into being, “You will know them by their fruits.” While we cannot know the “intent” of the other, unless he makes it objectively known, we do by divine command, know what the words say, period and end. He did not command, you will have some idea about them, rather, “You will know them…”, period and end. Let’s be as clear as we can be. You establish a logical straw-man and not only do you establish this logical fallacy but you do this with a supposition that today, as we write, and since July of 1870, is anathema, period and end, as that is simply the teaching of Holy Mother Church, Amen. To quote you: “We have no authority to declare or depose.” And again, your point Tom A??? It is not Tom A that establishes the utter reality as Truth that, “we have no authority to declare or depose”, now is it Tom A? It was the infallible Ecumenical Council of the Holy Catholic Church, named the “Vatican Council” of 1870, period and end. Your deception doesn’t end there. When you use the third person, plural pronoun-“we”-, you do not at all make clear, precisely as pristinely just who, “we” is? Layman, Bishops, Cardinals, priests, etc. and to really seal your deception, it simply CANNOT matter who you intend in your, “we”, as it is anathema to even bring into question the holy as personal faith of a true Roman Pontiff, and since 1870, period and end. When you say, “we”, the question is intoned, if not “we” as layman, then perhaps Tom A is suggesting that the “authority” to “declare or depose” (which again exists in no human person or persons in the cosmos, as infallibly defined, as the Holy Roman Pontiff can “never” lose his personal faith) rests in the “Cardinals” or “Bishops” or “priests”, to “declare or depose” ?
You cannot have it both ways Tom A. You have chastised me for “writing too much”, as my attempt as you declared in your writing, to appear intelligent, while as you do not clarify precisely what you mean, you allow for grand confusion, which is not the mark of Christ, rather the mark of Antichrist, period and end. We all make our free will assent Tom A. “You are either with Me or you are against Me.” Our Blessed Dominus Deus Sabbaoth and Savior, Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God, makes His commands plainly known for all those with eyes which see to see. Amen. Alleluia. I do pray this helps. In caritas.
Anyone who is thinking of accepting @In Caritas’ claims, note that he or she now claims that literally everyone is an apostate. This cannot be the case. His/her words:
“all of them, with Lefebvre as the first, were apostates to the One True Faith, in the objective realm of being, as they had the council from Hell, as so called Vatican II, available to them, with Lefebvre as a purported “Council Father” no less, as has every human person since its nascent genesis, period and end. “
And yet again you persist in error, Dear Blunderbuss,
Your reception of, “the operation of error to believe lying”, rests in the objective realm of reality as Truth, as our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ, as true God and true Man commanded, “You will know them by their fruits”. You simply cannot see the reality as Truth dear Blunderbuss, as you have received into your intellect, “the operation of error to believe lying”. So that you know with divine certitude, precisely what the Holy Writ commands dear Blunderbuss, Saint Paul declared as inerrantly, in 2 Thes 2, verses 10,11:
“And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive no the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: that all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.”
You must know unequivocally what Saint Paul affirms in these verses, dear Blunderbuss, as must we all, and that is the reality as Truth, that all those who receive, “the operation of error, to believe lying” as freely into their intellect, are damned to Hell for all eternity, if they die in that state of will, as they will “perish” as “judged”, because they, “have not believed the truth.” Two options only Blunderbuss, “truth as Truth” and “truth as deception” (read as lie), and no where in the cosmos can you find a “third option”, as it has no being, therefore it cannot exist, as God commanded it thus.
How can this be objectively understood about you? Because it simply is known objectively and as res ipsa loquitur thus, that L.G. 16 patently, in a tacit denial as deception, denies the Blessed Triune Personhood of Almighty God and as thus it denies the very Apostles Creed, which is a foundational reality of what it is to be Catholic. One cannot, with divine certitude, deny the Creed, while at once be Catholic, period and end, as to suggest otherwise, places an affront to the law on non-contradiction, poor Blunderbuss. It is not I who commands who is in the Holy Church, rather it is Almighty God, Blunderbuss. Christ Jesus commanded, and yet once again for your understanding, that precious few souls make it to Heaven, not perfectly miserable me, Blunderbuss, as I have no power in truth as Truth. He commanded this in Matthew 7, as you have already been warned. To suggest that Jesus the Christ commands these realities as Truth Himself and in doing this He doesn’t really mean what He commands, is unmitigated as utter blasphemy and demonstrates an effeminate character which rocks the cosmos in disgraceful error, period and end. You responded earlier that you have read L.G. 16 and you flippantly commented in query, something like: and so what does that have to do with anything? Well dear Blunderbuss, it has everything to do about everything, as it makes known in the objective realm of reality, that the church which declares so called, “Vatican II”, as its so called, “Ecumenical Council”, simply CANNOT BE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, commanded by Jesus the Christ into being, as it denies Jesus the Christ Himself, by denying the Blessed Triune Personhood of Almighty God. Amen. What did Christ Jesus command about such blasphemy dear Blunderbuss: “He who denies Me, denies the One Who sent Me.” and “He who denies Me, I will deny before My Father.” You see Blunderbuss, Christ tells us that anyone who denies Him, denies the Father and further will be damned to eternal Hell, as Jesus the Christ will deny Him before the Father. The truth as Truth is indeed very, very, very hard Blunderbuss, but He is the Truth and a divine Person of the most Holy and Blessed Trinity. Amen. Alleluia. Thus, as was already written, all those men mentioned above were apostates to the One, True Faith as objectively understood, as precious none of them declared the “Vatican Council II” as the lie that it is, whose father is the Father of Lies from the beginning, not the Almighty Father of the Beloved Son, in the Blessed Triune Godhead with the Love as the Holy Ghost, Amen. Just so you know unequivocally dear Blunderbuss, I am not a “Traditionalist” nor a “Sedevacantist”, rather I am simply as utterly and in my perfectly miserable creatureliness, CATHOLIC, as reality is either Truth or it is deception, “You are either with Me or you are against Me”, as there is NO OTHER OPTION, as God has commanded it thus. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
In which century was this written…??
This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a “bodily” manner and not “in his heart.”(12*) All the Church’s children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)“
I thought you were just an eccentric in the style of some others here, or possibly exaggerating things for effect. I can now see you actually believe every word.
Fine. You’re right. In exchange for this concession, will you please go and talk to a priest about your beliefs? I mean an actual priest, in union with the Catholic Church.
Good Saturday afternoon Dear Blunderbuss,
You had this to say:
“I thought you were just an eccentric in the style of some others here, or possibly exaggerating things for effect. I can now see you actually believe every word.”
This comment of yours’ indeed evidences that you do, “know”, the truth as Truth, and particularly with these, your words:
“I can now see you actually believe every word.”
It’s simply called “conviction” in witness to Truth, dear Blunderbuss, and to the point of offering one’s own blood by the grace of Almighty God alone, Amen, Alleluia, as Christ Jesus commanded in John 14:
“If any man is to come after Me, he must first deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.”
What else can that possibly mean Blunderbuss? That command from Almighty God as the Son of God made true Man? It simply means conviction in faith, of the Faith, as powered by grace alone, man, as that is all as everything that we mere miserable human creatures have, by the true mercy of God, Amen.
And again, our Blessed Dominus Deus, Sabbaoth and Savior, Jesus the Christ commanded, ” IF “, any man is to come after Him. Come after Him where, you may ask? Into the Kingdom of Heaven, of course, as any pious 12 year old in the state of grace would know as he must know, as unequivocally, Amen. Again, Christ the King allows us to know that there is an, “IF”, involved, in lieu of a guarantee dear Blunderbuss. “IF ANY MAN”, is to come after Him, requires each man’s taking up of his cross FIRST and then the ineffable prize of entry into His Kingdom. Christ Jesus also commanded, When the Son of Man returns, will He find any faith left upon the earth? “IF ANY MAN IS TO COME AFTER ME’ ? and “When the Son of Man returns will He find any faith left…” ?, dear Blunderbuss.
The Truth is very, very, very hard but He is a divine Person and He has given us His grace in perfect as infinite superabundance, His grace flowing from His glorious Redemption, that gift of the Holy Ghost, both freely given by Him and completely undeserved by us, yet absolutely as unequivocally required to get to Heaven. Amen. Alleluia.
In closing, the True Church provides the true Sacraments in which we must believe and receive as available in truth as Truth and not, in truth as deception. As the true Church in Her hierarchical understanding is now in eclipse, and as prophesied in 2 Thes 2, in these the end times, we are not obligated to seek that which is simply NOT available in their external signs as the holy Sacraments, but for Baptism, thanks be to God. Holy Baptism, as the only Sacrament required to gain entry into the true Church as the Supernatural Society of Heaven on earth, dear Blunderbuss, while at once the only Sacrament not requiring a priest. Christ Jesus our Lord and our God commanded that the spotless Victim and the holy Sacrifice would no longer be available as when prophesied by Daniel, and would not return then unto the consummation of the world, unto the very end. Amen. Alleluia. He commanded this in the holy Gospel of Matthew 24:15 and as in the Book of Daniel 9:27. You are warned, dear Blunderbuss, not by this perfectly miserable wretch writing you but by the Son of God Himself, when He commanded there in Mat 24:15: “…he that readeth, let him understand”. “Let him understand”, dear Blunderbuss, “he that readeth”. Almighty God gave the command that any one as, “he”, “that readeth”, must understand as Christ Jesus Himself gave that power, Amen, for, “he that readeth”, to “understand”. And Christ our Lord gave this power in His very command as the Logos, the Eternal Word of God as God, Amen. Alleluia. I do pray fervently that this helps you, dear Blunderbuss, as I do love you, as I am commanded by the Son of God to love you, Amen. To love is to give, even our very life if asked, Amen. In caritas.
Talk to a priest. Now. Please.
Good Sunday morning Dear Blunderbuss,
The elusive “priest” of which you write simply does not exist in reality as Truth. Whereby in your intellect, as you Blunderbuss see reality as the lie, you believe “he” does, as you believe the lie, and all of this to be witnessed in the objective realm of reality as Truth.
You dear Blunderbuss bear witness to, “the operation of error to believe lying”, as the truth as Truth just Is. That is the final result of calling the church of the Antichrist the Catholic Church. There are no holy priests dear Blunderbuss, anywhere in this world. Any priests that may be validly ordained, and this valid ordination can only be in reality as Truth in the true Rites, which are the approved, “other Rites”, by Saint Pope Pius V in “Quo Primum”, are both illicitly ordained and apostates to the One True Faith, as they freely give their willful assent to the church of the Antichrist and its popes since 1958.
To seek any of these validly consecrated Bishops and their Ordinates as valid priests, for any Sacraments is sacrilege, whether any layman knows it or not, dear Blunderbuss, as Saint Thomas Aquinas taught and that is what the Church definitively teaches. The commonly understood circumstance is the “Orthodox” church. Sacrilege is gravely sinful as mortally sinful. Amen. The purported “Roman Rite”, simply cannot have any valid Bishops or priests, because the so called, “Roman Rite”, is now as it has been since 1958, the seat of the Antichrist as his church. Because the purported, “Roman Rite”, is that church which denies the very Credo, which the true Catholic Church is founded upon with Blessed Peter as Her rock, and it denies the Credo tacitly at Lumen Gentium 16, as you have been warned. You claim to have read this and yet you are perfectly blinded to what it objectively says, which is the objective witness you give as, “the operation of error to believe lying”. You see dear Blunderbuss, it always comes down to truth as Truth eventually in this valley of tears, this world, whose Prince is Lucifer, as commanded by Christ Jesus our Lord, as our King and our God. Amen. Alleluia. The Truth just Is, dear Blunderbuss. Wake up while you still breathe, as you are receiving, “the operation of error to believe lying”, which does definitively take souls to Hell and with divine certitude as prophesied by Saint Paul in 2 Thes 2. Amen. As I do love you, as I am commanded by the Son of God made true Man to do so, as you persist in your error, and as you leave room for your remedy, I continue with you, simply writing truth as Truth. Thanks be to God alone. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
Please pardon any redundancy, but navigating the comm box traffic is a bit of a hot mess.
1. Q1: During the Great Western Schism, which of the papal claimants were Catholic?
Answer: All.
Answer: 20th Century.
Need more be “said”?
PS: Thank you for that direct, simple answer to a direct, simple question; it is refreshing.
Your welcome.