Israel’s largest newspaper, Haaretz, covered yesterday’s events in Rome as Pope Francis met with a delegation of some thirty members of the Conference of European Rabbis.
“It was a historical meeting taking place at a special moment,” a spokesperson for France’s Chief Rabbi Haim Korsia told Haaretz.
The “special moment,” explained the spokesperson, is the “upcoming 50th anniversary of Nostra Aetate,” the declaration in which the Catholic Church officially opened up to dialogue with other religions in general and Judaism in particular.
In his address to the rabbis, Pope Francis said:
It is so important to remember that our life [Jews and Christians] is a gift from God, and that we must depend on him, confide in him, and turn towards him always.
Yes, indeed, our lives are a gift from God; the same Who was rejected by the Jews by virtue of their rejection of Jesus Christ, but surely we mustn’t let tedious little details like that get in the way of our dialogue!
According to Haaretz:
Rabbi Korsia held a private audience with Francis after the official delegation meeting. “In fact, these were two separate events,” said his spokesperson. “Rabbi Korsia had asked Francis [for] a meeting in December, specifically because of the Nostra Aetate upcoming anniversary.”
Two observations…
First, it appears that Rabbi Korsia’s spokesperson (meaning, Rabbi Korsia himself) is determined to make sure everyone knows just how important Rabbi Korsia truly is. In other words, one must not allow the papal audience with the entire delegation to overshadow the fact, obvious enough to those in the know, of Rabbi Korsia’s singular importance.
Got it.
Secondly, one can only imagine what the very important rabbi from France and the very humble Bishop from Rome might have cooked up in their little meeting as a fitting celebration of Nostra Aetate; the document that Cardinal Koch very rightly labeled a “fundamental reorientation of the Catholic Church.”
For his part, Pope Francis believes there is much to celebrate:
Next 28 October we will celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the conciliar Declaration Nostra Aetate, which is still the reference point for every effort we make in this regard. With gratitude to the Lord, may we recall these years, rejoicing in our progress and in the friendship which has grown between us.
Consider for a moment what passes for “progress” in eyes of a true progressive:
For more than half a century now, our churchmen have ceased to carry out the mission that Christ gave to His Church. As a result, countless human beings, including Jews, have died without ever having been invited, much less called, to receive the sanctifying grace necessary for salvation. But hey… at least they left behind lots of Catholic “friends” to mourn their passing.
If nothing else, Pope Francis perhaps deserves credit for his honesty; i.e., at least he didn’t attempt to pretend that Christ is the “reference point” for modern day Rome’s relations with the Jews (or anyone else, for that matter).
Whatever 50th Anniversary festivities may be planned, Rabbi Korsia (who, clearly, is a very important man) indicated that he’s looking forward to it, adding that he hoped to “do something with Pope Francis” this October.
Nostra Aetate itself claims to be ordered toward remembering “the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham’s stock.”
This being the case, maybe the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews might consider hosting a celebration in the Vatican Gardens wherein the pope, a collection of Cardinals, and a contingent of prominent rabbis can come together to chant in unison, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Afterwards, they might even consider planting a barren fig tree as a lasting symbol of their dialogue, and just for good measure, the pope could send each of the rabbis home with a parting gift of thirty pieces of silver.
In any case, with the Synod of Bishops and all of the festivities that are likely to take place in light of the conciliar detente between Caiaphas and Peter, no one is likely to have time for Oktoberfest (except, of course, the German bishops whose party will just be starting).
http://youtu.be/lL0-JEgcbok
Dear Louie,
“the pope could send each of the rabbis home with a parting gift of thirty pieces of silver.”
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Might actually be appropriate if the Rabbis bring the silver to Francis, and Pope Emeritus Benedict –or offer it at the graves of the Conciliar Popes who sold Jesus out like Judas did, at the time of the Council and after .
http://youtu.be/f_qLq74OmEY
–A bit of background on Rabbi Korsia (from wicki):
“His election is a shift to more “Modern Orthodoxy”. He immediatedly took steps directed towards women–announcing directives supportive of women who have been refused a Jewish divorce by their husbands, and has embraced a more liberal position on Jews born to non-Jewish mothers and Jewish fathers, calling them “seed of Israel” (though they are not considered Jewish by Orthodox standards)
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“In the wake of terrorist attacks in France by Muslim extremists earlier this year, he called on the Jewish community to galvanize the effort to invigorate French society’s concept of FRATERNITE ” saying also: “Sometimes the only way is to enter the Red Sea — to go in and rebuild a new solidarity, rebuild links between Christians, Protestant, Catholics, Muslims, and Jews, and rebuild hope,” said Korsia.”
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-If we remember our Bible History, entering the Red Sea didn’t build any links between the Jews and their foes, in fact it came crashing down on the Egyptian Army, killing them all.
–Sadly, he’s talking about achieving unity, harmony and peace with all other religions, while rejecting the ONLY ONE who can give him that–The Prince of Peace, his Messiah, Our Lord, Jesus Christ. But sadder still, Pope Francis isn’t likely to tell him that.
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On a more hopeful note: Padre Pio’s died on Sept 23rd, 1968, which happened to be Rabbi Korsia’s 5th birthday. It couldn’t hurt to ask for the Good Padre’s intercession in bringing about Korsia’s conversion–as well as that of his partners in spiritual crime in The Church.
–Padre Pio is quoted as saying “The Jews are enemies of God and foes of our holy religion.” and also known for converting some of them who came to see him.
Modernists would see that as a great mystery, we bet.
–Another thing we just learned: –according to Fr. Nicholas Gruner– Padre Pio always said the Latin Mass, and had special permission to say ONLY the Mass of Dec. 8th -That of the Immaculate Conception-every day.
Padre Pio, Pray for us, and for the conversion of all souls.
Our Lady, The Immaculate Conception, pray for us.
Dear Louie,
You have a gift with words as your latest article demonstrates. Yes, indeed, the plot to destroy the Church is almost complete. The enemies of the Church have their pope and most of the bishops and priests in their corner. What these sad souls don’t know is that God has His own plan and these pathetic pawns won’t deter these plans one bit.
1. Indignus famulus – Many thanks for your extensive and patient research and well composed postings. I really am edified by your work.
2. I actually feel quite sorry for the “churchmen” who are leading souls astray today. They cannot imagine the frighteningly harsh judgment they will face. We too will face a harsh judgment if we know the truth and remain silent in the face of heresies.
3.I would like to invent the term “shipworm” to apply to all those functionaries in the church; blind guides who by their disorienting efforts continue to feast on the hull of the ship of Peter. The free lunch ends when the ship is full of holes and sinks.
Michael F Poulin
Dear Michael,
It’s always a pleasure to share the Truth–thanks for the kind words.
Re your #3 concern about worm-holes–no, we won’t sink. God’s got us covered. The Apostles thought they were about to perish and woke Jesus only to hear, “Oh ye of little Faith”, and then he calmed the sea.
–St. John Bosco was given visions of the future via dreams which came true in remarkable detail. One- which we seem to be going through now- speaks of the flagship of the Church under serious attack:
“The entire enemy fleet closes in to intercept and sink the flagship at all costs. They bombard it with everything they have: books and pamphlets, incendiary bombs, firearms, cannons. The battle rages ever more furious. Beaked prows ram the flagship again and again, but to no avail, as, unscathed and undaunted, it keeps on its course. At times a formidable ram splinters a gaping hole into its hull, but, immediately, a breeze from the two columns instantly seals the gash. [One column is topped by the Eucharist, the other by a statue of Our Lady, Help of Christians]
… In blind fury the enemy takes to hand-to-hand combat, cursing and blaspheming… (It continues with something very like the Fatima 3rd secret)
.. until a new Pope steer the ship between the two columns and moors it to the two columns; first to the one surmounted by the Host, and then to the other, topped by the statue of the Virgin. At this point something unexpected happens. (The Consecration?) The enemy ships panic and disperse, colliding with and scuttling each other. Some auxiliary ships which had gallantly fought alongside their flagship are the first to tie up at the two columns.
–It ends with a great peace, covering the sea, and the Ship has never been more seaworthy. http://theotokos.org.uk/pages/fatima/donbosco.html
🙂 🙂
http://theotokos.org.uk/pages/fatima/donbosco.html
Things have come along way since the reign of Pius XII and his real authentic Catholic Charity to Jews:
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‘On February 13, 1945, Zolli [the Chief Rabbi of Rome during WWII], his wife, and daughter converted to Catholicism. Zolli was christened “Eugenio Maria Zolli” in homage to Pope Pius XII who was born Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli.’
Until some bishops/cardinals start taking this maniac bergoglio to task (yes Cardinal Burke Im thinking specifically of you) this insanity will continue and 1000’s of souls…A DAY…will be lost forever.
“I do not think there are many among Bishops that will be saved, but many more that perish.”
St. John Chrysostom
Extract from St. John Chrysostom, Homily III on Acts 1:12
When I see the gross inaction of men like Burke who sit by and do nothing as souls are lost this statement really hits home and I am afraid for them.
It should not come as a surprise to any believing Catholic that false teachings and false teachers will convince well-meaning believers to believe a lie rather than the truth, because the Bible itself, through St. Paul, warns us of this danger:
“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” (1 Cor. 11:13-15).
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Regarding ‘false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ’, what Carindal Koch calls a “fundamental reorientation of the Catholic Church”, is what sedevacantists call ‘substantial’, and therefore no longer Catholic, or ‘false’.
Louie writes: “For more than half a century now, our churchmen have ceased to carry out the mission that Christ gave to His Church”.
The following comment from the Catholic Encyclopedia (on “Infallibility”) gives indirect confirmation of the fact that we are bound by the teaching of the Church, both fallible and infallible:
“[F]allible provisional teaching, as such, derives its binding force principally from the fact that it emanates from an authority which is competent, if need be, to convert it into infallible definitive teaching”.
From this general premiss, Bp. Sanborn draws the following conclusion, (1) as a consequence of recognizing Jorge Bergoglio’s claim to be Vicar of the Divine Person of Jesus Christ (which I do not, regarding him instead as a notorious heretic) and (2) having what Sanborn calls “a Catholic attitude toward authority” (which I hope I do). He writes:
“Imagine, Francis’ heretical blasphemy, ‘There is no Catholic God,’ and ‘God does not exist’ now belongs to the authentic magisterium of the Catholic Church, if this system is correct, and will take its place alongside the venerable tomes of the teachings of Saint Pius X”.
Jorge Bergoglio would appear to agree with the substance of this conclusion, being quoted to this effect on <a href="http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350935?eng=y"
Chiesa as follows (emphasis added):
“Look, I have written an encyclical and an apostolic exhortation, and I continually make declarations and give homilies, and this is magisterium“.
The continuous pleas for divine intervention in this prolonged crisis lead me to suggest the following alternative thought (with due respect for divine omnipotence):
Ask not what God can do for you – ask what you can do for God.
The hymn, “Hail, Glorious Saint Patrick”, contains the lines:
“Thy words were once strong,
Against Satan’s wiles and a heretic throng.”
If we were to change these words to the following (to reflect our present situation), I feel confident that no Catholic could sing them:
“Thy words give us hope,
Against Satan’s wiles and a heretic pope.”
Doesn’t this reveal the truth, not that a papal claimant cannot be a heretic, but that a heretic cannot be pope?
Poor Rabbi Skorka.
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After doing years of ground work, he finds himself getting elbowed out by a fellow co-religionist.
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It’s just not fair, 😉
The issue of ‘pertinacity’ is what ‘allows’ folks to have the heretic and the pope, and keep them both in the same white cassock.
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How a Bishop of Rome can be ignorant enough of his own Faith to the point of being able to contradict and attack it openly but be innocent of ‘pertinacity’ in his heresy is…
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John F. McManus is not a sedevacantist, but in a recent interview he said, ”Obedience should never triumph over Dogma.’ VII and the Novus Ordo demand we obey at the cost of Dogma. In the interview he goes over how exploiting ‘obedience’ is a standard tool of the enemies of Truth.
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http://isoc.ws/
PS. In the above interview, McManus recounts how Montini, Paul sixth, allowed a Lutheran artist called E.G. Hansing to sit in on his audiences and do his protrait (Montini allowed this for two years). The resultant portrait is full of Masonic symbols and typical New Order ugliness and evil.
http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/13/76/64/93/1_de_210.jpg
When ‘Blessed’ paul sixth is finally made a Novus Ordo ‘s-‘aint’, perhaps they can use the portrait as a NOHoly card. He accepted the portrait publicly from Hansing.
‘if need be’, Pope Francis’ statements you provide are not infallible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8YTZsUp6G8&spfreload=10&ab_channel=TheFatimaCenter
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A Pope would be obliged to immediately deny the four heresies Christopher Ferrara points out that Bergoglio made in one interview. Yet, like other interviews, it will probably be published soon with Bergoglio’s permission by the Vatican.
Dear Rich,
You raise an important issue that’s likely on a lot of Faithful Catholic minds these days. We’ve been discussing some aspects of it since as far back as March 13, 2013, when we first researched the background of the new Pope, and read about his Argentina animosity towards what appeared to be good priests, and his allowing communion for concubines on weekend retreats, who went right back home together afterwards..
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But the very fact that men like Burke and Athanasius Schneider come to mind so readily, and even top the N.Y. Times lists of “problems” the Pope faces, seems ample evidence that they HAVE spoken out boldly enough against error, that it not accurate to refer to them as if they have really been sitting by and doing “nothing”.
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We personally, don’t know what else they COULD do, do you? We’ve heard a variety of suggestions from blog sites, that all seem to be impractical due to the need at some point in any official process, of having a majority vote in favor of whatever solution is proposed—even to START a council or open an investigation. From Rome Blog said it would only take one Cardinal to call for that, but how many would LISTEEN to him or follow Canon Law? Our problems today in the Church stem from disobedience and ignoring of regulations. We all know that, and have seen political machinations galore.
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Burke has already lost his position with the Curia, and even worse, his position on the board that approves new Bishops. We may be disappointed that MORE is not being done. But shouldn’t we be proposing REALISTIC solutions, rather than just beating up on the ONLY voices of Truth we’re still hearing today? If we’re ignorant of some real possibilities that you know of, please don’t hesitate to suggest them here. We’re eager to explore those.
Dear Dumb Ox,
We’re all for denouncing error, but don’t think it a good thing for people like Bishop Sanborn to jump on quotes that are as outrageous-sounding as THIS one, and use it for legal proof of anything..
N.O. watch reports that Francis said
“So often [people ask]: ‘But do you believe?’: ‘Yes! Yes! ‘; ‘What do you believe in?’; ‘In God!’; ‘But what is God for you?’; ‘God, God’. But God does not exist: Do not be shocked! So God does not exist! There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons, they are not some vague idea in the clouds … This God spray does not exist! The three persons exist!”
HONESTLY, it’s obvious from the CONTEXT, that he was attempting to make some distinction between the general concept of “GOD” out there in the public arena, and the REALITY that the Church teaches–that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” He sounds really clumsy in speech here, yet he makes and emphasizes that point and so immediately after the SOUND BITE that went round the world, that it seems ridiculous to us for anyone –especially a self-described Catholic, to claim he was trying to teach that God does not exist.
–Our reaction to this is “come on, now.”
We are never eager to defend this Pope, but there are far better examples of things he’s said that DO require our attention as serious error—such as is reassurance to the Evangelicals he met with at the Vatican last year, that he’s not out to convert anyone. There was no contextual misunderstanding, and his subsequent speeches corroborate the evidence.
P.S. We do agree it’s really STUPID for any Churchman to utter words like that, knowing what we all know about what the press does with them.
Dear SA,
Don’t count HIM out yet. 🙂 🙂
(We know you’re kidding) Two months ago in Atlanta, Skorka kicked off the celebration -committee for this coming October 28’s party for Nostrae Aetate, talking about his close friendship with the Pope. (Another article reports they live together at Santa Marta Hotel) (Can anyone confirm that?)
Anyway, Skora said in Atlanta, after encouraging everyone to read the Prophet Amos:
“The first commandment of the real prophetic voice is respect the other,”
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That’s a re-write, isn’t it? Last time we looked, the First Commandment was I am the Lord Thy God, ..Thou shalt .have no strange gods before Me.
–But then, how could he be such close friends with the head of the Catholic Church, whose God his Faith rejects, if he actually believes in the Jewish Faith, and doesn’t ignore that “old” first one?
Dear Indignus,
HONESTLY it is obvious from the CONTEXT of a complete paragraph, repeatedly stating as fact, that a TRINITY does not exist, that this is unmitigated, blasphemous, blatant, unambiguous HERESY:
” … God does not exist! There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons, they are not some vague idea in the clouds … This God spray does not exist! The three persons exist!”
This is satanic denial of the Blessed Trinity – THREE persons IN ONE GOD.
That is a basic tenet of the Faith. If one does not believe that, one is not a Catholic! Francis is obviously not a Catholic.
“God does not exist!” = THERE IS NOT ONE GOD. How could he put his heresy more plainly than “God does not exist? What has this to do with “context”? It is a statement of fact in a paragraph which stands on its own feet and continues:
“There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons …”
= there are three INDEPENDENT persons. Nothing to suggest that the Son is consubstantial with the Father, or that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son.
“This God spray does not exist! … ” = a TRINITY of three persons in one God does not exist. The Trinity called a “God spray”!
“The three persons exist!” = three independent persons exist = heresy. There is absolutely nothing to suggest any co-existence between the three persons.
The Catholic statement would read: The three persons exist IN ONE GOD.
“Come on now”, if we can white wash this, we can white wash anything! This is not “clumsy speech” – this is blasphemous heresy!
It is one thing for laity to criticise usurpers and schismatics, quite another to presume to criticise a Catholic Bishop.
“We are never eager to defend this Pope…” Well if you see him as a true Pope, you should be. It is a Catholic’s DUTY to defend the Pope and to submit to him and to obey him:
“If anyone, then, shall say that the Roman Pontiff has the office merely of inspection or direction, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the Universal Church, not only in things which belong to faith and morals, but also in those which relate to the discipline and government of the Church spread throughout the world; or assert that he possesses merely the principal part, and not all the fullness of this supreme power; or that this power which he enjoys is not ordinary and immediate, both over each and all the Churches and over each and all the Pastors and the faithful; let him be anathema. ” (Pastor Aeternus.)
No “contextual misunderstanding” here!
If he is an anti-pope, why waste time by reading, or commenting on what he has to say about anything? Do you really think a true Pope would have made a statement like that – in, or out of context?
Do you think Pope Francis is watching Christopher Ferrara on Fatima TV to then ponder upon the issues brought up? Most likely not. Has anyone in the hierarchy boldly went up to His Holiness Pope Francis and just outright told him he is preaching certain aspects that are Heretical? Not even His Emminence Cardinal Burke has done so. One Cardinal as far as is known has done so and that is His Emminence Cardinal Muller by simply saying the separation of Doctrine and Praxis is Heretical.
Get an audience with His Holiness Pope Francis and confront him on the issues. His Emminence Cardinal Burke has not used the Heresy word and has not cited any previous Councils, Bulls, Encyclical. Can you name one Cardinal who has went up to His Holiness Pope Francis and listed Pope Francis’ errors line by line with the Syllabus of Errors? Only His Emminence Cardinal Muller came close once with the Heresy word.
Dear Salvemur,
It is ugly and evil beyond description. I remember reading an analysis of its masonic symbolism somewhere. Have you read Fr. Villa’s writings on PVI and masonry?http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/
I just cannot understand how people who know about all these things can still cling to the NO. I just don’t get it!
Dear Christopher,
How do we know Burke has NOT used the word Heresy in private conversation with the Pope? Not everything gets reported in the media, and if he went to correct him in private, he certainly isn’t going to include what was said in his next interview–right?
We wonder if the Pope even would allow private access to himself, when he knows someone has been an outspoken critic?
–Cardinal Burke;s last scheduled meeting- this past January, was said to be in the presence of a group of others , and just a routine new-post discussion.
—Also, if the Pope is in personal error but still the Pope, he wouldn’t want to undermine our faith in any future promulgations that might be made ex cathedra–which would be protected by the Holy Spirit from error. Just saying there’s a lot for a Cardinal to consider, and maybe he’s doing all he can, under the circumstances–even though all of us would like something more. .
That’s an excellent analysis, Peter.
Notwithstanding that the concept of the Holy Trinity is an extremely difficult concept for our rational minds to comprehend and to understand, our Catholic faith requires us, each and every one of us who considers themselves to be Catholic, to believe and to accept the reality which is the Holy Trinity.
Dear Peter,
We’d be among the first to denounce a Vatican spin-job that claimed “bad translation” where there WAS none–especially if we witnessed a talk that was reported accurately after checking the language ourselves.
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In THIS case, his detractors have taken sound bites out of context, and are making the most of them. If he HAD meant to say what they’ve misinterpreted this to mean, we could understand their outrage. But Truth must never be compromised –even when attempting to discredit a modernist who is leading people astray in other ways.
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SIMPLY LOOK at the words. Realize that he was using a very simple role-playing progression–building his usual straw-man which he then proceeds to knock down with his teaching:
He’s first says when people are asked,
1. Do you believe? they respond with Yes! Yes!.
and when asked
2. What do you believe in? they respond with “In God!”
and when asked
3. But what is God for you? they respond with “God,God, But God does not exist.”
– He makes an aside to his listeners:
4. “Do not be shocked” and proceeds to MOCK that idea saying:
5. So, God doesn not exist!”
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From there he goes right in to his usual “teaching moment”, and stays very orthodox, declaring:
. “There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons, NOT some vague idea in the clouds.”
–“This God spray does not exist!”
(meaning this idea he is mocking -that God does not exist other than as some unknowable, untouchable mist in the clouds–is all WRONG)
Finally, he punctuates his refutation of that idea again, saying very emphatically:
“The three persons exist!”
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Here’s the actual text provided by N.O. Watch. It’s a translation off the video, and it DOESN’t distinguish the different voices he’s using. but they’re obvious when you give it an honest study, and realize you goofed..
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So often [people ask]: ‘But do you believe?’: ‘Yes! Yes! ‘; ‘What do you believe in?’; ‘In God!’; ‘But what is God for you?’; ‘God, God’. But God does not exist: Do not be shocked! So God does not exist! There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are persons, they are not some vague idea in the clouds … This God spray does not exist! The three persons exist!
(“Pope at Santa Marta: What we dare not hope for”, News.va, Oct. 9, 2014)
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One other thought, as to why it makes more sense that he was really teaching the right thing, here, as we’ve depicted it:. Modernists NEED people to believe in the Blessed Trinity so they can promote their versions of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit –which go hand in hand with their progressive aims.
–God then becomes not a “Catholic” God, but God the Father of ALL MEN .
— Jesus is the loving, brother and savior, Who walks and eats with (unrepentant) sinners.
— The Holy Spirit is the God of surprises, that leads us into NEW things–like VII and more…. IF you have Faith….etc etc.
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Think about it. Why would he want to suddenly claim that his three best excuses for all he says and does, don’t EVEN exist?
Cannot say whether Cardinal Burke has or not but there certainly should be no media conspiracy, after all Cardinal Mueller’s statement made it into news. Also are you suggesting that there should be no corrections made in case it encourages the Pope to make Ex Cathedra statements? It’s that sort of attitude that is being criticised, the duty to actually rebuke Heresy is being suppressed out of fear. Because people will not directly address the issues at hand, the opposition gets free reign. Lefebrve did not remain quiet on the issues of Vatican II and the corrupting N.O. Likewise Cardinal Mueller warned exactly that the separation of Doctrine and Praxis regarding the Synod-last would be Heretical, and while not directly confrontational, he definitely has the courage to fire a warning shot to state that they are on the verge of Heresy.
Dear Christopher,
No, not suggesting anyone withhold anything. Just suggesting Burke may be holding himself back from saying certain things we’d all like to hear, so as not to undermine the idea of infallibility in people’s minds.
We’d still rather see him take the risk.
Dear Paul,
It’s nice to defend the Blessed Trinity, but it’s not right to slaughter the meaning of another person’s statements to make it appear that they don’t believe in it. Please see our explanation below. This appears to be a simple mistake, but one that is being passed around.
p.s. to Peter,
Your outrage at what you perceived to be a blasphemous heresy, is admirable. 🙂 🙂 (even if mistaken)
Dear Indignus,
Next time I am in a DEEP hole and need someone to talk my way out of it, I am gonna contact you!!!
LOL! 🙂 🙂
Dear Peter,
🙂 🙂 Anytime…..
Hey Peter,
For your penance, -next time you see someone claim the Pope said “God doesn’t exist”, and ” he blasphemed the Holy Trinity”, you have to try to set ’em straight.
( you have our permission to copy and paste)
🙂 🙂
On the contrary. How much MORE would below apply to some interview with a reporter or off the cuff remark?
From the Catholic Encyclopedia on Infallibility:
“But before being bound to give such an assent, the believer has a right to be certain that the teaching in question is definitive (since only definitive teaching is infallible); and the means by which the definitive intention, whether of a council or of the pope, may be recognized have been stated above. It need only be added here that not everything in a conciliar or papal pronouncement, in which some doctrine is defined, is to be treated as definitive and infallible. For example, in the lengthy Bull of Pius IX defining the Immaculate Conception the strictly definitive and infallible portion is comprised in a sentence or two; and the same is true in many cases in regard to conciliar decisions. The merely argumentative and justificatory statements embodied in definitive judgments, however true and authoritative they may be, are not covered by the guarantee of infallibility which attaches to the strictly definitive sentences — unless, indeed, their infallibility has been previously or subsequently established by an independent decision.”
Not only does the teaching on infallibility from the Catholic Encyclopedia not bode well for the sedevacantist position on the Pope but also their idea that VII is a false council. It seems to support the SSPX position that VII contains infallible truth that was previously defined and also non fallible portions that are ambiguous, needling clarification, or flat out error that needs to be jettisoned.
This would seem to also apply to Paul IV’s bull that Christopher and I previously discussed.
Diabolic. An apt depiction by its very mode of represkentation, of the “smoke of Satan” overpowering much of the earthly Church.
Thank you, Christopher. It seems expedient, perhaps, to hold back for fear of losing ground. Yet how many souls are lost daily because bishops will not speak out, as did Archbishop Lefebvre. May he RIP.
I have read some of Fr Villa’s words and about him, thanks for the link. They can be ordered here:
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http://isoc.ws/bookcategory/author/fr-luigi-villa/
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He was commissioned, so to say, by Padre Pio under the reign of Pius XII, to investigate the infiltration of freemasonry in the Church.
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And Lynday, the picture is diabolical. It really doesn’t need a second glance.
Thank you, James. There are people who admit that they are relatively new to Tradition (as in the actual studying of Vatican ll and the documents prior to it). On occasion, their zeal for new-found understanding in some points makes them quick to respond rather than to just read and listen, and pray for understanding. One need not always respond to every comment made in an attempt to correct the commenter, or to clarify for others what they believe the commenter really meant. Sometimes it is worthwhile to read and gauge what is meant, perhaps for a few days, and then compose a response. It would be different if we were sitting in someone’s living room. Unfortunately, the whole world can read our comments if they so choose.
Bergoglio is constantly ‘fighting’ against an enemy he knows very well – the Faith of the Holy Catholic Church. (that Argentina phone call was a piece of diabolical genius – in one media drop, he attacked the Dogma of the indissolubility of marriage and the Dogma of the Real Presence).
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Regarding the indissolubility of marriage, most people on the planet know this is a Catholic Dogma. Any Catholic knows that someone living in adultery is in mortal sin, and that to approach Holy Communion (the Real Presence) in that state is absolutely forbidden (for their own good, St Paul has very grave warnings for people who approach the Sacrament of His Body and Blood in unfit states – people in adultery must ‘confomr themselves to Christ’s will, ‘sweet’ yoke and ‘light’ burden, confess, receive absolution and not return to the former sin. Then they can approach – this is Catholicism 101). Before the evil synod last year, when 416 English priests (10%) signed an open letter defending the Church’s teaching on Marriage; Bergoglio’s immediate response was public too. He proclaimed that ‘there must be an end to gossip and chatter (defence of the Faith) about the synod (the attack on the Faith), and that we must pray for the synod’. Kasper made the same calls to ‘prayer’ for the synod – a synod designed to attack the indissolubility of marriage, and thereby, Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, by permitting those in Grave sin to partake. A synod designed to actually attack the immortal souls of everyone living in adultery by encouraging them to stay in that state and then, diabolically, actually compound that evil state by encouraging them to adulterate Holy Communion as well.
That should be the evil synod ‘this’ year. The priest published their letter on March 24th.
Cardinal Burke needs to be more honest regarding the deep problems with Vatican II and the Novus Ordo mass. He’s speaking out against the symptoms of the disease and silent on the cause.