FROM CONFLICT TO COMMUNION: Lutheran-Catholic Common – Commemoration of the Reformation in 2017
Vatican Surrenders to Luther, by Christopher Ferrara at The Remnant
The Apparent Death of the Catholic Church
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“Wholesale Hogwash Qatholicism” – come and get at the new kirk. But wait you don’t need to come and get it, and it won’t bother coming to you because you already are a part of the Wholesale Hogwash Qatholic Kirk – whether ye be a satanist, a random pagan, a muslim, a jew, a protestant of any variety, a good hearted marxist-atheist-choicer – see peeps this IS the pro-choice Church! suddenly Apostolic succession is unnecessary – I mean we haven’t had One and Holy for a while, but now – no more Apostolic – whereby ‘Catholic’ becomes UTTERLY meaningless.
Read it and weep, people. Ecumenical imperatives…exactly whose imperative would that be?
As a ‘convert’ (what can this possibly mean anymore) I find the whole thing a fake, a sham an insult before the altar of Our Lord and His sacrifice for the saving of souls through the one sacrifice given up to Heaven from the rising of the sun to the setting of the same until the ‘close of the age’. Shame on those prelate who sharpen knives with the ‘wolves’.
“let oneself continuously be transformed by the encounter with the other” NO NO NO. This is the religious equivalent of genetic engineering. Pretty soon we’ll need a Catholic Ripley to get rid of the aliens within. Actually I think we passed that point some time ago.
p.s. 2017 also marks the first centenary of the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima. Why am I not surprised.
p.s. Louie – might just be my connection, but the links aren’t working. God bless for this piece.
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as for the Pontiphikol Council for Qrischyan youNITee – any Qrischyan who comes knocking on the door of the Church from now on, know this – the ‘catechists’ and ‘priest’ will turn you away – don’t let them. They will make you feel like a git for wanting to convert – suffering this ignorance with a smile, if you can, and persist.
p.s.s how unfortunate was St Frances de Sales? Silly sausage, undergoing such pain and deprivation to convert some 60,000 protestants back to the ‘true faith’. Poor thing. I wonder if, as the pope suggests. that, since heretics can later be canonized, that the ye olde and stupide faithful can, for ecumenical reasons, later be uncanonized? Seems to have modernist logic.
I found the Ferrara article here.
The author begins by quoting this line from the Vatican document:
“Catholics and Lutherans realize that they and the communities in which they live out their faith belong to the one body of Christ.”
Once again, when reading a startling comment emanating from the present-day Vatican it is a trivial matter to find a past Pope warning about just such startling murmurings.
As the following quote from Pope Pius XII shows, this case is no exception:
“Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.”
(Humani Generis, #27; emphases added)
Links have been repaired. Thanks for the heads up.
Dumb_ox,
Thanks for the quote from Humani Generis. The contrast w/ the teaching emanating out of modernist apostate Rome could hardly be more different.
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Interesting facts (although I am not one to point out similarities or coincidences as having a lot of relevance, I nevertheless find this pattern rather striking):
-1517: Protestant revolt led by Martin Luther
-1717: Premier Freemasonic Grand Lodge of England founded, date generally considered the birth of modern freemasonry
-1917: October Bolshevik revolution, WWI marks beginning of end for Christianity in Europe, Our Lady appears to three shepherd children 13 May,
2017: “Catholics” and Lutherans celebrate 500th anniversary of protestant revolt against Christ the King and the Mystical Body of Christ
& ??????????
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Anybody care to speculate what other developments we might see taking place in 2017?
My take: formal schism between conciliar church and catholic church may well take place around that date, at the very least I see we are going straight into that path.
“The differences are more easily seen”
Really! God may make use of methods he doesn’t approve of but my grandmother converted from the heresy of Lutheranism in the seventies because she “no longer saw much of a difference”
How nicely we are being led to the slaughter of a one world religion…..and it will be so comfy cozy there!!!!
“And Noe, when he was five hundred years old, begot, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.” – Genesis 5:32
“In the six hundredth year in the life of Noe in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened.” – Genesis 7:11
God gave the world 100 years to repent before destroying the world in the Great Flood. Jesus gave 100 years to the King of France to consecrate that nation to His Sacred Heart. Our Lady of Fatima has warned us about a chastisement that will take place if the world does not repent (before any restoration of the Church). It should be noted that the 100th year anniversary of Fatima (May 13, 2017) corresponds to the 17th day of the 2nd month in the Hebrew Calendar (17 Iyyar) when God sent the Flood. Who knows what will happen then? We must do penance as Our Lady has asked us to.
Blessed Maria Serafina Micheli (Beatified in 2011) reported a horrifying apparition of Luther in hell because of his pride. Confirmation of this was provided by an angel and given to a Lutheran family in the US in a series of events called the ‘Wizard Clip’. The family were also told that Calvin shared his spiritual fate and that their sufferings increase with every person who embraces their heresies. (Should somebody tell the heretics?)
Hello Louie, is this new document binding to all the faithful? Is it part of the formal magesterium now?
Oh yes, there is a radical break from the Catholic Church pre-Vatican ll. This NewChurch lives in la la land and preaches a la la religion and uses la la language. Well the perpetrators will get theirs! God is not to be mocked.
Amazing ! How is this not heresy ? And how does it not destroy, obliterate, marmalise, vandalise, throw under the bus & utterly slaughter the Church’s infallibility ?
Catholics & Lutherans, however close God may in His Mercy have drawn the two, do not entirely agree in doctrine. There is much in common – but there is not full agreement in dogma. There is no way to get past that. It would be ungracious, unChristian, and irresponsible to magnify or invent differences – but it is equally wrong to treat them as non-existent or as less important than they are. The Church would not be able to claim that Lutherans & Catholicism both hold transubstantation (for instance), and hold it as a dogma revealed by God, without claiming something untrue. It seems that for the NuChurch, the categories of true & false do not exist, or, that they mean nothing, or, that they are indistinguishable.
La-la-land indeed – and worse.
This document is not of the papal magisterium. Pope Francis in fact is known for speaking highly of the Council of Trent.
That’s good to know – thanks 🙂 And good to see you again.
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However, how can there not be implications for dogma – and therefore, for the reliability and orthodoxy of the Magisterium of the bishops ?
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The Church can’t simply evaporate almost 500 years of Catholic teaching. If after all the status of the Lutherans in relation to the Church is not as the Church in the past taught, or if it is a rather minor matter whether or not the two are one in faith; then the CC of today is saying the Church of the past was in error about a matter of great importance for her self-understanding.
I don’t think that this latest problem with the commemoration of the reformation in 2017 means the death of the Catholic Church. After all, the Church didn’t die after the Vatican ll Council, even though it promulgated dubious teachings that don’t line up with tradition. I think it’s more accurate to say that the visible Church is suffering, as Our Lord did in His Passion. But Our Lord guaranteed that the Gates of Hell would not prevail, so we should take him at his word, no matter how bad things may get in the future.
I believe that is why Louie put the title as “apparent death of the Catholic Church,” NOT “real death.”
Really?!!! I wonder where you got that from, seeing Francis poohpoohs everything Tridentine and pre-Vatican II, only saying things a Catholic should say occasionally!