Just eight days after the Church Militant lost its most fervent crusader for Our Lady of Fatima with the passing of Fr. Nicholas Gruner, the Prefect of the Congregation for Saints’ Causes addressed a conference entitled “The Message of Fatima between Charism and Prophecy.”
From the text of Cardinal Amato’s address, as reported by Catholic News Service and other media outlets, it is apparent that he is either complicit in, or woefully ignorant of, the Holy See’s official campaign of obfuscation.
According to CNS:
Cardinal Amato said he had “the privilege” of reading the original manuscripts of the secrets of Fatima when he served as secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith from 2002 to 2008.
In fairness, it should be noted that Cardinal Amato served at the CDF two years after the Holy See (aka the Bertone / Sodano / Ratzinger triumvirate) had already gone on record with the alleged publication of the Third Secret “in its entirety.”
As such, the “original manuscripts” read by Cardinal Amato likely included nothing more than what has already been revealed.
As far as I’m concerned, there’s no good reason to believe that the same duplicitous men who labored so mightily to cover-up the contents of Sr. Lucy’s handwritten letter conveying Our Lady’s actual words of warning had not also seen to it that the letter was completely destroyed.
In any case, one might conclude that it is perhaps with a clear conscience that Cardinal Amato then went on to assert:
There is no fourth secret and there are no other hidden secrets.
At best, Cardinal Amato here speaks out of ignorance, but even if that be the case, his ignorance is nothing short of willful and, therefore, inexcusable.
Look, it’s not exactly a secret (no pun intended) that a wide cross section of respectable Catholics – clergy and laity alike – have raised credible doubts as to the Holy See’s claims regarding the Third Secret of Fatima and the consecration of Russia.
As such, it is the height of irresponsibility for anyone, especially a cleric or any other high profile Catholic, to weigh in on the Fatima messages apart from a concerted effort to evaluate all of the readily available facts of the matter.
The greatest challenge for those who have thus far chosen to accept the Holy See’s official treatment of the Fatima message, like children suckling milk from the breast of their mother, is coming to terms with the mere possibility that a collection of cardinals, bishops and even popes may have been complicit in a well-calculated campaign of deception spanning several decades.
This juvenile naïveté is apparently enough to prevent such persons from scrutinizing the statements that have been made by these hierarchs; measuring them against the irrefutable witness of the public record, and then partaking of the solid food of truth that doing so necessarily provides.
Those who are willing to undertake just such a review, by contrast, cannot help but conclude that the document issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in June of 2000, The Message of Fatima, (which includes commentary from Archbishop Bertone, Cardinal Sodano and Cardinal Ratzinger) is little more than an amalgam of half-truths and outright lies deliberately crafted in the vain hope that the faithful will cease to inquire about the still-hidden warnings that were issued by their Blessed Mother.
If you haven’t yet done so, I cannot undertake that review for you. No one can, and yes, it will take time and effort.
Tomorrow, however, I will offer some brief commentary on certain portions of the CDF document that, even for the marginally well-informed, point rather clearly to the tangled web of deceit that is woven therein.
As for the likes of Cardinal Amato…
I think it’s safe to assume that there are some in the Roman Curia and elsewhere who let out a sigh of relief when news of Fr. Gruner’s passing became public, but if they think for a moment that his noble cause ended when he breathed his last, rest assured that good men like John Vennari, Chris Ferrara, John Salza, Michael Matt and others will see to it that they only deceive themselves.
In the meantime, The Fatima Center remains a veritable treasure trove of information for anyone willing to invest in a discovery of the truth.
I, too, urge anyone who is interested to do some research into this frightening topic.
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But Coles Notes: has there been a conversion of sinners? has there been penance done? has there been conversion throughout the world? has Russia converted to The Holy Roman Catholic Church? has there been any year/month/day/hour of peace since Our Lady asked for certain things to be done? Er, well, no. End of question on whether Russia has been consecrated to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart by the Pope in concert with all the bishops of the world.
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The official word out there in NO-land is that Our Lady to Fatima came to ask for prayer and that any other idea is obsession/paranoia. PERIOD. So snooze on world.
Father Gruner was a Jonah in our times. Remember Jonah? He went through Nineva warning them to do penance “or else”. They did penance, from the king on down. The “or else” didn’t happen. Why does it have to be so complicated?
To insinuate that Our Lady’s dramatic “Miracle of the Sun”, witnessed by many thousands, was merely a “call to prayer” is equivalent to saying the Our Lord’s Passion and Death was suffered in order to establish “the Church of Nice.”
Many have said (and I agree) that Our Lady took Her faithful son home to save him from the coming Chastisement. It is possible that Father Gruner may have suffered his purgatory while on earth and is now in Heaven. Since we cannot know that for certain, we must continue to pray for the repose of his beautiful soul.
As for the rest of us, PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY!!!!
Our Lady of Fatima, Pray for Us!
Dear Louie and all,
Wow! They sure didn’t waste much time after Father’s death, before putting out another unofficial/official disclaimer–still obviously deternmined to “interpret” the assassination attempt on John Paul II, as the complete fulfillment of the Third Secret’s vision of the Bishop in white (who was killed) (Despite Benedict’s dance)
As C.Amato reportedly said:
“The maternal hand that diverted the bullet without killing the pope indicates that an immutable destiny does not exist and that the power of faith and prayer can influence history: prayer is more powerful than bullets”.
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In other words It’s all over folks. Go home and forget all about that Third secret. Just thank God and live in hope. We’ve done all we could.
-We especially noted his words: “indicates that immutable destiny does not exist”.
That thinking is usually followed by citing Johah’s prophecy that Ninevah would be destroyed, and then reminding us that IT didn’t come true, as predicted, either.
The BIG problems with that analogy, is that it was the sinful Ninevites who did penance in sackcloth to avert it. In THIS case, the current Bishop in White and the modernists he’s gathering around him and those who’ve invaded the Church are hard at work, pushing FOR the very things that Scripture says bring down God’s wrath—–Toleration of the “Jezebel” False teachings and sin-right in our midst coupled with rejection of the Mandate to go teach and Baptize all Nations.
–Acceptance of adultery and sex outside of marriage; deviant sex–to the point of pushing for the Church to “welcome” those practicing these things–to receive Holy Communion, and to come into the heart of our communities, without rejection of their sins. So we have no reason to expect a different outcome, and every reason to be as concerned as Father Gruner always was, for the safety of the Pontiff and all those who may suffer that awful fate with him.
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This is NO Ninevah. And Our Lord warned through Sister Lucia:,
‘Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune.” “It is never too late to have recourse to Jesus and Mary.” If ANYTHING can avert that Third Secret Vision, it’s the Consecration of Russia.
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In another text Sister Lucia wrote:
“Later, through an intimate communication, Our Lord complained to me: ‘They did not wish to heed My request! … Like the King of France they will repent of it, and they will do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors in the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer.’”like the Kings of France” they will regret their disobedience.”
[How did the last King of France die? guillotined–100 years after the request was first made?]
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Today marks the 98th year since the Fatima Apparitions began. Apparently the ministers are still not listening. We have to keep reminding the world of what’s at stake regardless of their denials, and pray for the fulfillment of Our Lady’s requests–especially the Consecration of Russia – Collegially. Father Gruner always treated this with the utmost sense of urgency. This is no time to quit.
Hi Louie
I think you need to do a piece on mental reservations. No one in the Vat is ‘lying’ about this, they just think we would be better off not knowing about it (probably because they don’t really believe in Fatima) and therefore, because they are in authority and we have no right to know, they think they are justified in using mental reservations. But you can always tell a MR if you’re looking for one (evading direct answers to direct questions etc- don’t they realise we have politicians to learn from). Bertone’s responses to questions about this were copybook MR replies.
Cheers
Paul
I suggest reading the following passage. It’s Fr Gruner at his finest – straightforward, and uncompromisingly brutally honest. From the “Fatima Crusader 78”:
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Tampering with Our Ladys Words
Does it have to come down to that contradiction? Well apparently it has. Our Lady said: “In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph,” but Cardinal Ratzinger misquotes Her. He drops off the words, “in the end” and does not finish the sentence either. He also reduces the Immaculate Heart to possibly being your heart or that of anyone who seeks to serve God.
He misquotes Sacred Scripture when he refers to the passage, “Blessed are the clean of heart” (Mt. 5:8) and replaces the word “clean” with “immaculate”. There is only one Immaculate Conception. There are only two Immaculate Hearts, which are the Virgins and Our Lords, of course.
But the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph. Its a triumph for the future, but Cardinal Ratzinger doesnt tell you that.
Our Lady of Fatima predicted four things:
“In the end, (after a struggle), My Immaculate Heart will triumph;
“The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me;
“Russia will be converted;
“A period of peace will be given to the world.”
Four times, She predicts the future. How does Cardinal Ratzinger reduce that to saying that the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary took place 2000 years ago when She said: “Yes” to the Archangel Gabriel at the Annunciation?
That is what he does. Here you have a sleight of hand. You know how a magician can do things with his hand and make you think you saw one thing but he does something else.
Here we have a magician working with words: Cardinal Ratzinger saying that Our Ladys prophecy that Her Immaculate Heart will triumph is something that took place 2000 years ago. But Our Lady said in 1917, She WILL triumph, that is sometime after 1917.
You have here the watchdog of Catholic doctrine not telling the truth about a most important prophecy. In fact, Ratzinger denies that prophecy itself has the role of accurately predicting the future as part of the proof that the message of God is truly from God. God uses prophecy as a proof that He is the author of a Divine message.
Deceiving Messages
Now the book, The Devils Final Battle, explains, in great detail, Ratzingers lack of belief in the Fatima Message. Chapter 11, titled “Cardinal Ratzingers Message of Fatima”, shows that the Cardinal substituted the true Message of Fatima with his own, which is quite different. It becomes clear that Cardinal Ratzinger does not, in fact, believe in the full Fatima Message. Rather, he makes light of it. He does that, while all the time appearing to the general public to be ever so respectful.
I would like to give you one example of how he does it: Cardinal Ratzinger uses the same device that Bill Clinton used in 1992 when he accepted the nomination to be the Democratic candidate for President at their convention. Now Clinton, like George Bush Sr., was also in favor of the New World Order. However, unlike Bush Sr. he was smart enough to not use that phrase “New World Order” because that was a phrase that many people knew was Masonic. (It comes from the Illuminati and goes back to at least 1776.) Many people understood that phrase and they told their friends that and warned them against voting for the first George Bush.
So Bill didnt use that phrase. Bill, rather, said: “And my good friend, Professor Carrol Quigley, whom I know at the University”. What he was saying was, “I agree with Quigley and Quigley is for the New World Order” and the insiders got the message.
Why do I tell this story here? Because its the same thing Cardinal Ratzinger did to us. When he spoke about the so-called one “great theologian” of Fatima, he spoke about Father Dhanis, a Belgian Jesuit. Most of you dont know who he is but you will find 150 pages on him in Volume I of Frère Michels The Whole Truth About Fatima. Everyone else attacking Fatima from a “theological point of view” is imitating and following Dhanis.
Dhanis, while professing great respect for Sr. Lucy, actually clearly suggested that she made up the whole Secret (the first part, the second part, and the third part) out of her imagination. In effect, he said that she lied about this most serious matter. He refused to recognize the fact that God testified to Sr. Lucys truthfulness by the great Miracle of the Sun. Furthermore, when challenged by Fatima scholars to look at the documentation that would completely destroy his thesis in detail, he refused to look at the evidence. Sr. Lucys Confessors offered to show him irrefutable proof but he did not want to know the truth.
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So when Ratzinger quotes the “great theologian, Dhanis”, he is saying, “I dont believe in Fatima.” He wasnt going to tell you that directly, because he would lose all credibility. So he cleverly sends a message to the insiders that know Dhanis stand, and says he follows Dhanis.
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So here we have Ratzinger, who doesnt believe in the predictions of Fatima, and he is the theological expert advising the Pope. We have to understand just how similar our situation is to that of the little hobbits in the book, Lord of the Rings. Our situation is beyond hope of what we are trying to do. Except that we have the promise that in the end Her Immaculate Heart will triumph.
http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr78/cr78pg08.asp
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This is the REAL Cardinal Ratzinger folks. Deep down, he has always been the same radical as his suit-and-tie wearing days during VII.
“This is the REAL Cardinal Ratzinger folks. Deep down, he has always been the same radical as his suit-and-tie wearing days during VII.”
AMEN to that! He may have fooled a lot of decent Catholics (especially when being compared to other vat 2 “popes”) but he didnt fool all of them.
You’re talking about the guy who put out a book at Christmas claiming there were no Angels singing at the birth of Christ -most likely, and explaining “as the theologian Ratzinger” (while Pope) that the Jews don’t need to be evangelized. In what way was he managing to hide the “real” deal?
lol. 🙂 🙂
This is the most reasonable conclusion as to what has happened.
Yes. And when I think of the sacrifices and penances those three little children did because they had seen hell and souls being tossed about by the flames….I want to cry out – Don’t you know what it means for Our Lady to come here and actually speak to us? Can’t you hear Her words? What did she say other than pray the Rosary? What is it about the word chastisement you don’t get?
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I get sick at heart over the blindness and deafness. Souls are still falling into hell like snowflakes – and most because of sins of the flesh – imagine a little nine year old girl telling that truth to the Sister who was nursing her! She said she knew what sins of the flesh were because Our Lady explained it to her!
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Imagine Our Lady – all pure, like a lily, white as snow – the most pure creature imaginable, having to make a little girl understand the filth of many of the sins we are being asked to celebrate!
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And Our Lady at La Salette actually crying because of so many sins….and this Pope saying the crazy things he says….we can’t despair but sometimes….
I can agree with your input on mental reservations, however, not releasing Our Lady’s message in toto at the very beginning has resulted in millions of lost souls. Everything Our Lady prophesied has become reality. We live in a cesspool of a world mainly because of material atheism and sins of lust. Both these terrible scourges are the result of the French Revolution, Marxism, and the resulting destruction of the family.
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I’ve heard it said that the various popes did not want to ‘scare’ people – did not want panic – so they let the demons have their way – but they are supposed to protect us from the wolves!
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Our Lady of Fatima save us.
You know this is one of the few benefits from this frantic ‘information age.’ You can’t hide from your writings no matter how intellectual and holy you try to appear – it’s all there in black and white, and follows you on the internet until they carry you out – and beyond. History will judge John Paul II and Benedict XVI harshly, me thinks.
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Any priest who shows up in a shirt and tie should get what he apparently desires: defrocking.
Barbara, your words are so touching and sad, they could (and should) bring tears to our eyes. On one occasion, when I had the honor of being in Father Gruner’s presence, I merely said to him: “….and the children were so young!” His response were tears filling his eyes. It is the only response possible!!
God bless you!
We’ll second that motion. 🙂 🙂
Dear All,
The above and many previous comments over the last while have driven me to the inescapable conclusion that we should depart en masse to St. Gertrudes for a convivial sedevacantist repast and leave the NO to its own de-vices.
Indignus could be Masters of Ceremonies. 🙂
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine
There’s always laughter and good red wine
Thus have I ever found it so
Benedicamus Domino!”
(Hillaire Belloc.)
Nobody in their heart of hearts could consider these truthful and insightful comments, aptly applicable to the NO church, applicable to Our Lord’s Catholic Church.
Read the speech by “Fr.” Ramiero Cantalamessa, the PREACHER TO THE PAPAL HOUSEHOLD, provided by JamesTheLesser yesterday. I repeat it here:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/05/11/papal-preacher-says-christian-churches-are-drawing-closer-together/
It is peppered with heresies – relativism, indifferentism, protestantism, false ecumenism, syncretism and modernism.
Compare it to Catholicism:
Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore (1863)
Pope Pius IX, Instruction to Anglican Puseyites on True Religious Unity (1865)
Pope Pius IX, Apostolic Letter Iam Vos Omnes (1868)
Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (1894)
Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum (1896)
Pope St. Pius X, Letter Our Apostolic Mandate on Society and Interreligious Cooperation (1910)
Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos (1928)
Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Orientalis Ecclesiae (1944)
Pope Pius XII, Canonical Warning on Attending Ecumenical Gatherings (1948)
Pope Pius XII, Instruction on the Ecumenical Movement (1949)
The NO apostasy is becoming more blatantly obvious day by day. Why tarry with these heretics? To what purpose? To what end? The Ecclesiastical devil’s Brigade!
Compliance with the requests of Our Lady of Fatima would have signaled their own demise – hence their fraudulent attempts to subvert the Third Secret. Let these wretches be anathema!
Louie said: “As such, it is the height of irresponsibility for anyone, especially a cleric or any other high profile Catholic, to weigh in on the Fatima messages apart from a concerted effort to evaluate all of the readily available facts of the matter.” I agree. I have heard clergy of a pretty high rank that I really respect saying things that are so stupidly ignorant about the bequest Our Lady gave to those three dear children that it’s almost enough to call into question other things they stand for or against. Our Lady promised that ‘in the end’, Her Immaculate Heart WILL triumph and the Holy Father WILL consecrate Russia with his Bishops. The path to that point has been a pretty miserable bunch of milestones of weakness and indifference/arrogance on the part of those who should know better.
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PS. I read Chris Ferrara’s ‘False Friends of Fatima’ and often keep referring to it, but there’s no index so I end up giving up trying to find the info I’m wanting to return to, not being a post-it person. (Mr Ferrara or publisher, please put it on kindle then an index isn’t necessary.) PSS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MBlpDhy6X8 good talk on the obfuscations.
Hello Peter. “The NO apostasy is becoming more blatantly obvious day by day.” And it is becoming more and more obvious to a lot of ecclesiastical fence-sitters one prays.
Barbara,
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“History will judge John Paul II and Benedict XVI harshly, me thinks.”
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I agree, but IMO JP II especially, since it was he who cemented most firmly the conciliar revolution via such abominations as the Assisi events, or his constant non-stop praising of false religions, Lutherans etc.
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Arguably, up to the death of Pope Paul VI, the revolution was still in a state of “flux” (much like the French revolution up till the arrival of Napoleon Bonaparte). And much like Napoleon, it was the job of JP II to solidify and cement the revolution via his novelties, encyclicals, papal pronouncements etc.
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Both Napoleon and JP II left an ugly legacy behind them.
Peter Lamb,
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All is not what is seems.
http://sggscandal.com/
Dear Peter,
When I read the papal preacher article, I felt unsettled…but as a patient complaining of toothache is not always able to localise which is the offending tooth, I couldn pinpoint the exact error and lable it…
I note you say…”It is peppered with heresies – relativism, indifferentism, protestantism, false ecumenism, syncretism and modernism.”
Is it possible to give an example of each of these errors in the article?
Dear Peter,
LOL.
MC a “virtual” pot-luck? Rather eat real food.
🙂 🙂
I picture SGG like that movie The Village. Don’t go past the edge of the woods or the monster might get you. 🙂
The Church has kept the full secret hidden, but Our Lady made it know at Akita. She showed the great division among Cardinals & Bishops, the apostasy. We have seen it so clearly during the Extraordinary Synod. Our Lady also pointed out the chastisement if we do not repent, that will hit soon. If the Pope choses to do the consecration, it is late, but maybe we can be spared the full wrath we deserve.
To the tune of Anticipation:
We can never know about the days to come
But they are hidden in God’s heart
And I wonder why the Pope’s haven’t acted
and avoided Our Lady’s commands.
Full consecration, full consecration
It is very late
But heaven is waiting
And I tell you how easy it would be to do
How Our Lady will wrap her arms around us
So we beg you to answer the call of heaven
And consecrate Russia, so God can save and set us free
Full consecration, full consecration
It is very late
But heaven is waiting
So tomorrow can be better than today
She God’s prophet, and she knows the ways to God
So listen up and act before it’s too late
Let’s turn to her so she can mend our ways
Full consecration, full consecration
It is very late
But everyone’s waiting
Bravo, Francesco!
Dear Peter,
With reference to your comment that the papal preacher had a sermon peppered with the following heresies, I looked up their definitions…
1)RELATIVISM
Relativism is the concept that points of view have no absolute truth or validity, having only relative, subjective value according to differences in perception and consideration.
2)INDIFFERENTISM
the belief that differences of religious belief are of no importance.
3)PROTESTANTISM
1. (Protestantism) the religion or religious system of any of the Churches of WesternChristendom that are separated from the Roman Catholic Church and adhere substantially toprinciples established by Luther, Calvin, etc, in the Reformation
2. (Protestantism) the Protestant Churches collectively
3. (Protestantism) adherence to the principles of the Reformation
4)FALSE ECUMENISM
“false ecumenism (loosely), could be any one, or more, of the following:
the “acceptance” of false religions as having elements of truth (and ignoring, or placing less emphasis on, the elements of false-ness)
“as long as you believe in Jesus Christ, then you’re ok”
“Catholicism is just one way to Heaven”
“False ecumenism, rather than seeking to unite all in the fullness of truth, seeks to create a false unity which is rather a “being together” based on the lowest common denominator which compromises truth (instead of professing the totality of the deposit of faith with one voice).”
“False ecumenism is the discussion of religious differences for the sake merely of understanding and respecting one another.”
“false ecumenism which seeks unity at the expense of truth.”
5)SYNCRETISM
1.
the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought.
“interfaith dialogue can easily slip into syncretism”
6)MODERNISM
A movement towards modifying traditional beliefs in accordance with modern ideas, especially in the Roman Catholic Church in the late 19th and early20th centuries.
Makes for compulsive reading, but from now I think I’m going to stick to Sacred Scripture!
Will we perhaps have the honor of hearing it sung by our host?
You have sung the same tune, Mr. Verrecchio, with different words so it shouldn’t be too difficult………..?
It would be a pleasure to hear you sing it!
Yesterday on the “Catholic Answers Live” show on the Immaculate Heart Radio network, someone called in asking if the hosts had heard of Fr. Nicholas Gruner.
The hosts said they did know about Fr. Gruner and then went to explain the “party line” view of Fatima. One of the hosts, a priest (I forgot his name) who is the chaplain at Immaculate Heart Radio, stated that proof of Russia’s “conversion” is in, for example, the country’s laws against the homosexual propaganda.
I always thought the conversion of Russia meant conversion to Catholicism. Is this correct?
Dear Barbara, the suffering of the Faithful during this Great Apostasy is terrible. We need to unite our suffering with Christ for the conversion of so many that are leaders of the Church and for the salvation of souls. We need to find each other and support each other during the trials and tribulations caused by the apostasy.
One might say they are being “Jesuitical” . . .
Consider this Danno… Was homosexuality ‘legal’ anywhere when Our Lady came to Earth to warn about how evil the world and Russia were?
Russia may not be encouraging homosexual behavior, but it still tolerates it.
Catholic Answers has long been censoring and forbidding discussion about Fatima to tow the Party line. They are part of the cover up.
Modernist and VII Catholics today have a feeble understanding of how miraculous God can be and the results he gets. See the conversions that occurred thanks to Our Lady of Guadalupe for context as well as the transformation of Portugal after it’s consecration said to be a sample of what would occur when Russia is converted.
It’s no surprise the the same people who downplay the miraculous power of God in Egypt for more natural phenomena, downplay the Creation of Genesis for Darwinian naturalism, downplay the miracles of Christ and the Resurrection and downplay the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, will also downplay the effect the Consecration is supposed to have.
The errors of Russia have spread.
The Chief error of Russia was a Church in control by the State.
Now every Catholic Bishop kowtows to the State, the president, democracies, the secular constitution, the U.N., scientists, everybody else except God, much less the Pope.
Let that sink in.
Dear In Hoc Signo Vinces,
I have spent hours reading about the school furore at St. Gertrude’s and I have now just given up. It goes on and on and on. Obviously it was a sad episode all around. It was about 5 years ago and I hope things are settled and going well now. However, it doesn’t affect the theology of the sedevacantist position, or the great privilege it affords me of being able to virtually assist at a valid Mass, for which I am most grateful. Otherwise I would have no Mass at all. I imagine that unfortunate situations like the one that arose in St. G’s school are almost unavoidable under the current abnormal conditions. The flock is scattered. The normal hierarchical structures to deal with discipline and dissent are absent. The workers are few. Little scattered knots of Faithful have to manage their affairs on their own, as best they can. We all have our human limitations and don’t always get it right. What I have seen virtually of St. G’s is very beautiful. I hope to have my requiem memorial Mass said there when the time comes.
So long as it’s no sola scriptura.
Scandal?! Blimey, where have people been? We have a Novus Ordo heirarchy steeped in apostasy, pedastry and heresy, that gets in bed with world population controllers/people murderers, and attack the faithful on a daily basis, whilst occupying the real estate of the Catholic Church, yet the internal parochial clashes of the uncanonically defined privately owned Faithful venture are noteworthy? (and let’s face it, has any heirarchical voice made any definitive declaration on sedevacantists? Not that I know of.)
Dear Evermindful,
Me no theologian, but I have tried to comply with your request. Virtually every sentence of Cantalamessa’s presentation is false, ambiguous or heretical. It would take a hundred pages to analyse every statement.
1. HERESY – FALSE ECUMENISM / SYNCRETISM :
“The unity of the Church is thus brought about … when believers and especially leaders of different denominations, in spite of all their differences, meet together to proclaim the Lordship of Jesus, to share their charisms and recognise each other as brothers and sisters in Christ.”
CATHOLICISM :
“So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it … To the one true Church of Christ … which is to remain, according to the will of its Author, exactly the same as He instituted it … For since the mystical body of Christ, in the same manner as His physical body, is one,[22] compacted and fitly joined together,[23] it were foolish and out of place to say that the mystical body is made up of members which are disunited and scattered abroad: whosoever therefore is not united with the body is no member of it, neither is he in communion with Christ its head.” (Mortalium Animos.)
2. HERESY – PROTESTANTISM :
a. “Conversion and salvation have changed places. No longer: “Convert and you will be saved; … but, rather: “Convert because salvation has come to you”. Men have not changed; they are neither better nor worse than before; it is God who has changed …”
b. “… I am speaking of Martin Luther. He won for the whole of Christianity the merit of putting the Word of God, Scripture, back at the center and above everything, even the Fathers of the Church.” (Sola scriptura.)
c. “This does not mean ignoring the great theological and spiritual enrichment that came from the Reformation or desiring to go back to the time before it.”
CATHOLICISM :
i. Salvation is not automatic and unmerited. All men are not saved; hell is a reality; salvation is not by faith alone; one must work out one’s salvation in fear and trembling”. The Faith stands on three legs – Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium.
ii. God is immutable i.e. God CANNOT change, because He is infinitely perfect; His teaching cannot change; the Deposit of Faith cannot change; His Church is indefectible.
3. HERESY – INDIFFERENTISM :
“… we have been witnessing a change which we can call momentous. All the Churches of the West and those or [sic] founded by them, have experienced for more than a century a current of grace running through them, the Pentecostal movement and the different charismatic renewals derived from it in the traditional Christian Churches.”
CATHOLICISM: There is only one true Church, one baptism, one Faith; all faiths are not equal; all sects are headed by demons.
4. MODERNISM : “… The Christian world is preparing to celebrate the fifth centenary of the Protestant Reformation … The situation in the world, in the church, and in theology has dramatically changed since then. It is a matter of starting over again …” [i.e. Vatican II.]
CATHOLICISM : “Those, who are unhappily infected with these errors, [relativism or modernism] hold that dogmatic truth is not absolute but relative, that is, it agrees with the varying necessities of time and place and with the varying tendencies of the mind, since it is not contained in immutable revelation, but is capable of being accommodated to human life. (Mortalium Animos.)
5. HERESY – RELATIVISM :
“What deeply unites all Christians and makes every difference secondary is a renewed faith in and love for the person of Jesus of Nazareth. Not, however, the Jesus of dogma, of theology, of the respective traditions, but the risen Jesus who is alive today in the Spirit. The same Jesus who is present here among us, and rejoices to see his disciples united “in one accord”, as they were on the day of Pentecost.”
CATHOLICISM : St. Paul said that even if an angel taught an iota of difference from the Apostolic teaching, they should be anathema.
Dear Peter,
Thank you very much indeed…that is very helpful.
Well said, Johnno.