Outrage over the Catholic clerical homosexual abuse crisis has erupted anew thanks in large measure to the “Uncle Ted” McCarrick scandal, on the heels of which recently came word that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is soon to publish Grand Jury reports detailing some three hundred such cases in six of the state’s eight dioceses.
If that wasn’t enough, then came reports that forty-eight seminarians recently cosigned a letter detailing an ongoing homosexual subculture at the Honduran major seminary; claiming that it has been operating under the protection of its rector for years.
The archbishop responsible for the seminary, Bergoglian insider, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, responded by immediately vilifying those who are exposing this evil.
Witnessing prelates like Joe “Nighty Night” Tobin, Kevin “Ted’s Roomy” Farrell, and Sean “Not My Department” O’Malley feigning outrage, while making the utterly absurd claim that they knew nothing of McCarrick’s decades long track record of homo-predatory behavior, is enough to make one vomit.
Though it sickens the Catholic stomach, those who love the Church welcome the spotlight being shown on these propagators of filth and their protectors.
Let them be exposed, prosecuted and laicized!
There is a growing sense of optimism among many that, painful though it may be to see the Church’s reputation sullied in the eyes of the broader community, a cleansing storm may at last be in the offing; one that will somehow serve to restore the Church. This sentiment seems especially prevalent among the neo-conservatives.
Former chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush, William McGurn, for example, recently wrote in an article for The Wall Street Journal:
Think of it [the McCarrick scandal] as akin to the Reformation, except here it will not be Protestant Christianity but some materialist orthodoxy that will likely move in after the church takes this latest hit.
McGurn went on to say:
Among the laity there are now serious efforts to draft and institute reforms that would ensure bishops tell the truth and are held accountable.
Leave it to a champion of American democracy to look with confidence to the “power of the people” for a solution! Even so, McGurn deserves credit for at least recognizing, on some level, that the problem concerns a lack of orthodoxy.
It is for this reason that so-called “traditionalists,” by contrast, tend to have a more level-headed view of the situation; at least they should.
While we welcome anything that might expose and eliminate these clerical degenerates from our midst, we realize that the benefit of discovering who knew what, when they knew it, and what they did about it will only be superficial and temporary at best.
We know that the root of this evil is the abandonment of Catholic tradition – plain and simple. We understand that unless and until authentic Catholic doctrine and the Mass of All Ages are once again fully embraced and propagated by the sacred hierarchy (up to and especially the pope), the rot within the Church will endure.
And yet, there are some with a voice in traditional Catholic media who are urging a détente between all who are disgusted by the McCarrick scandal; whether “Traditionalists, Conservatives or Liberals.”
Specifically, it is being suggested that we should “put our ideological differences aside when it comes to this issue.”
Now there’s an idea…
I suppose we could arrange a series of ice cream socials and invite lay supporters of Catholics for Choice, Opus Dei, and the SSPX to come together to discuss how best to wrest control of the Holy Catholic Church back from the network of clerical homo-predators, but who in their right (traditional) mind believes that this is even remotely useful?
The truth is, the very idea is not only useless; it’s dangerous. We’re in this mess precisely because so many bought into this kind of kumbaya clap trap.
Let’s be perfectly clear: That which distinguishes the “Traditionalist” from the “Conservative” and the “Liberal” is not a handful of matters “ideological;” i.e., concerning mere “ideas.” That’s Bergoglian talk.
The “differences” between us are moral, doctrinal and liturgical – they concern matters of objective, immutable truth. The last thing we need to do in response to the present situation is “put our differences aside,” and anyone who encourages such a thing – in spite of any good intentions – is, at best, deeply confused.
It’s time for us so-called “traditionalists” (aka Catholics) to redouble our efforts to proclaim the true Faith in all of its glory; to condemn all attacks against it, while also helping conservatives and liberals to see, as best we’re able, that it is the abandonment of tradition that created the monster that presumably all of us wish to see slain.
This instance in time should not be a call to “fix” the NO false church or a time to “clean out the filth.” No, it should be a time to finally expose the imposter church and imposter prelates. We do not need band aids or deck reshuffles. We need light shined on the NO V2 sect and to finally have enough trads admit that this creature in Rome is not the Catholic Church and that it is time to restore Her to Her rightful place. Oh, it will be very small at first and we will probably be persecuted in many ways. But what choice do we have? The sodomite modernists will never give us back our buildings, we don’t need them. We need the name Catholic to stand for Truth once again and we must use this opportunity to strip away legitimacy from the usurpers.
“Specifically, it is being suggested that we should “put our ideological differences aside when it comes to this issue.””
You mean like a different form of ecumenical dialogue? You know these willfully blind idiots just get me angrier and angrier.
Something tells me the “McCarriking/Homopredator” scandal is just the beginning of what could be a full blown, “Hang em High” fullblown Laity Revolt in the Church. Why “Uncle Ted” might be the match but the rocket fuel will be the Sister Lucy fraud just starting to unfold before the entire world….”the only thing similar was the was the habit”
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2018/08/fraud-facial-recognition-technology.html
Looks like this is just the beginning of the answers to the questions regarding the deliberate stuffing of the yet to be revealed 3rd secret of Fatima. Looks like the REAL Sister Lucy hasn’t been seen since….wait for it….1958….even though some one posing as her died in 2005….How is that possible in the Perv Church of Vatican 2? Stay tuned. To steal a phrase…”Don’t ya just love it when a plan comes together?”…..not man’s but dare we say…the Lord’s and His Mother.
Ah yes…
The endless ‘Committee’ solution…
Dialogue after Dialogue after Dialogue…
Me thinks that whenever these guys speak of ‘Dialogue’ they really mean that they’d prefer to engage in a different form of ‘oral intercourse.’
It was just a code-word all along!
Get your sticks and stones. It’s time to shatter some windows.
Don’t worry, Louie, the SSPX won’t take part in the ice cream social. They have taken the “See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil” approach to this entire mess. Actually, if they did participate it would be encouraging in some respects.
The Modernist’s goal is to destroy the Church from with. The job of the sedevacantists is to convince Catholics that they succeeded.
What’s your goal Ingatio? Don’t just say, “to get to heaven”, as that’s obvious, but what’s your goal in putting forth your take on the situation in the Church since Vatican II and the new mass? How do you explain this terrible crisis?
Modernism is the “synthesis of all heresies” according to Pope St Pius X. Therefore, Modernists are heretics – the most pernicious and malicious kind of all, in the history of the world.
Modernists are heetics. Heretics aren’t members of the Church. A heretical Catholic is as logical as a married bachelor. So, again, what’s your goal? Is it to legitimise the idea of heretic-Catholics?
They hold all the cards except a few.
We have the faith. We have it even if there is no one else. No pope, no cardinals, no bishops, no priests. They can cause all this damage, but they can’t take our faith away from us. They can’t touch it. It’s ours.
We have our attendance, or not.
We have our financial support, or not.
We can share information with our fellow Catholics to educate them.
We can keep yammering in comboxes, never let em rest.
We can resist, and refuse to cooperate with this fake church. People think there’s a fake Lucy, I don’t know about that, but here is a fake church, positively. These men belong to a false Catholic Church. I will never join it, and I refuse to support in any way a Communist Sodomite Church.
No matter what evidence is presented, I refuse to believe the story about Sr Lucy being replaced with an imposter after 1959 or so.
Catholic Answers have already said there was no imposter back in 2017, and that settles it.
Michelle Arnold of Catholic Answers’ blunt answer to the question should end all dispute on the matter. She just knows, you know.
https://www.catholic.com/index.php/qa/no-sr-lucia-impostor
Thats an utterly ignorant statement. Why do you people keep insisting on holding to this totally fallacious argument? For the 10,000th time, we hold that the vatican 2 religion is NOT the Church. What part of that can you not get through your head???
Bwahaha!
What makes Michelle Arnold an expert in these matters? What are her credentials? Did she employ a forensic team to arrive at her conclusions?
Like I said, she just knows. If you question any further, you’re just trolling.
Ignatio makes rational comments.
Others make irrational ones.
Others like sweepINthefilth make lies and insults.
Verecio needs to make sure Ignatio is heard and sweepINthefilth and loudmouth Stalin are silenced.
Everyone has somehow been helping the modernists to succeed. If you have an impostor in your family or organisation, you have to do get that person out immediately. You do not follow him (NO), recognise him and make arrangements while continuing as before (SSPX) or ignore him and continue as before (SV).
The impostor has to be removed, and true Pope needs to be elected. The longer this situation goes on, the more difficult it becomes and the more souls are being lost. Past generations would have acted long ago.
Well I guess that’s that. Michelle has spoken! She knows! Why is another story. In the meantime, I have a little bridge for sale. Perhaps you might be interested in purchasing it? Color, price, terms and financing are very friendly and flexible. Even Michelle at CA might be interested….ya think?
Ok wiseguy Ignatio, how do you explain a Pope teaching heresy?
Yes, it is interesting that those who are busy pointing fingers at “the Modernists” and the “Sedevacantists” have NOTHING substantive to say about the recent happenings from their “pope”.
If anyone has been a “loudmouth” around here lately, it’s you. Not to mention your unnerving, incessant stalking and obsession with SOTF.
Tom, hello.
I am not a sedevacantist as you know, but that doesn;t stop me agreeing with you that the modern Church is irredeemably lost in heresy, financial corruption and moral filth.
The Hierarchy has lost the Faith or never had it. Overall, Novus Ordoism is a humanistic, evolutionary form of Protestantism. It’s not the Catholic Faith.
There are corners of it where Bergoglio is effectively ignored, even by the local Bishop and his priests; but even so they are all signed up to the ambiguities and even outright errors of Vatican II.
Now is the time when Catholics must retreat to a Mass Centre where the Old Mass is available, along with the other Sacraments in the old form; where priestly ordination is definitely valid; where the Apostolic Succession is beyond reproach. And they must have recourse to Our Lady.
The ways to show Our Lady that one is serious are to (a) join the Militia Immaculatae as run by the SSPX; (b) complete the Five First Saturdays as requested at Fatima; (c) complete the Total Consecration to Our Lady as taught by St. Louis de Montfort; and (d) say at least one decade of the Holy Rosary each day.
I hardly say any thing. Other people write long stores and nonsense. I am not obsessed with sweepINthefilth she constantly insults me and dodges any questions and misleads people so if she talks trash to me I talk it back. Maybe you’re right and it is better to ignore her lies instead I will try that.
But you say the whole church is fake. So does everyone here. If that is so then fake cardinals cannot elect a real pope.
Perhaps the all-knowing Michelle could troll over here and tell us how a heretic was elected “pope”.
Phony outrage over Uncle Ted…
BREAKING: Practicing Homosexual Appointed to High Vatican Position
RORATE has learned from a couple of sources that a recent appointment of Pope Francis to a high Vatican position is known widely by the hierarchy and informed laity of his European country as a promiscuous practicing homosexual.
His lifestyle led originally to his exile from his diocese of origin.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/08/breaking-practicing-homosexual.html?m=1
Let’s see. Skilts hates Randy Engel and she is obsessed with me i.e. my moniker.
Yet now the Catholic world is seeing first hand what Randy wrote in her book, “The Rite of Sodomy” and their is a growing outrage with more to come this next week.
Does the Skilts believe his/her “obsession” means anything to either myself or Randy?
I guarantee it does not.
Skilts…….a word of advice,
be”Obsessed” with love for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and outraged by the pederast sodomites who have defiled the Innocent.
What I said is that a non-Catholic occupying the papal throne needs to be removed. If Montini had been removed when his apostasy became clear, incalculable damage could have been avoided. You’re correct, decades later we’re so far gone that hardly any Catholics are left in the hierarchy. Still, non-Catholic Francis and all non-Catholic Cardinals, Bishops etc. need to be removed and a solution has to be found among the remaining few (SSPX, SV, NO who kept the faith) with regard to electing a new Pope.
Sursum, Francis has surrounded himself with practicing sodomite clerics and prelates . We knew that when we heard him first speak about Ricca and move into the same residence with him.
McCarrick even openly bragged about being lobbied to elect Borgolio in a now online talk he gave to the students at Villanova University. If anyone has a question in their mind just what Borgolio is all about, then for them 2+2 does not equal four.
Perhaps you could link us to her curriculum vitae ?
From the pic provided she does not look old enough to have learned much of anything.
https://www.catholic.com/profile/michelle-arnold
TGS, from a practical point of view, we are on the same page. One can have nothing to do with the NO church if one wants to keep their Catholic Faith.
Of course Michele Arnold does !
She was raised a Seventh Day Adventist and was just Baptized a Catholic in 1996 .
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/michellearnold/about/
That makes her an expert in Catholicism?
I love these no nothing post Vat 2 kiddos that convert to the catholicism and sit on a computer making a living telling cradle Catholics how to be Catholic.
Great job if you can get it .Of course you need an Opus Dei connection.
” little bridge” Brings to mind a real life story I experienced.
I hope Melanie clicks on to read ( she said she likes my memories” and Skilts can just call this another “Lie”
Back in the very early nineties I rec’d a call from a home school mother. She was upset her good pastor had disappeared.
last seen he attended the late Bishop McHugh’s meeting he called for all the parish pastors in his Diocese.
The caller’s friend catered the meeting and relayed all that was said.
The Bishop ( of unholy memory) , addressed the priests by telling them the upcoming diocesan appeal would be divided differently this year with the Chancery receiving the bulk of any donations because ,”The coffers are running dry due to secret settlements for sexual abuse b priests.”
She then told me her pastor was seen returning to his rectory ,packing his bags and getting into his car.”He drove around the Church three times and then we never saw or heard about him again.” I suggested the next time they cross the Delaware Memorial Bridge , they look for him because I heard from a few old priests that is where the young ones who get fed up with their sodomite “clerical brothers” find work. ( one of these priests who left in disgust is on the Bridge Commission).
Sure enough three or four months later , Deb called me again to tell me they gave their toll to their old pastor and as their car pulled away from the toll booth her boys were yelling out the window,”Please come back Fr Sweeney, we love you”.
As far as I know he never did.
Why good priests don’t speak out:
https://epiphanytampa.weebly.com/pastors-bulletin-article/why-dont-the-priests-blow-the-whistle
Frightening!!
Now, now everyone….Novus Ordo “Monsignor” Pope says y’all need to calm down:
http://blog.adw.org/2018/08/lets-careful-charges-regarding-new-wording-catechism-death-penalty/
The only loudmouth on here is you. You’re one bitter and twisted non-Catholic malcontent hell bent on stifling the educated, wise and true Catholics on this site. And please , as a matter of courtesy, learn to spell Louie’s surname correctly. Finally, may I respectfully suggest that you remove yourself until you have something to offer apart from jealousy of the more able and your signature basic rants? Good boy!
Sorry should stress that this is for SKILTS.
TGS Thank you for that and God bless . Please let us know when your publication is available. GSF
God protect us from Catholic Answers and their juvenile arrogant wannabe theologists who are as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike!
Sorry, this is apropos of nothing, But I’ve wanted to.say for a long time how much I detest Mark Shea. I have idle and.very nice day-dreams of dropping him off without water in Helmand in Afghanistan with the only water available from a not-very nearby Taliban village.
Let’s see how he would deal with that one.
Come to think of it, I’d also toss out the be-wigged Michael Voris, the odious Christine Niles and absolutely everyone at Catholic Answers.
That is extremely arrogant and condescending. You think you are so educated? And that everyone here is? How many degrees do you have and in what? You say I am not Catholic.
Well I go to Mass every week and on Holy Days and Tom A and sweepINthefilth and probably you never go at all. And I checked and it is Verecchio so apologies for getting it wrong.
Do you want to know why j chose the name I did? It’s not obsession. It’s not flattery. It’s mocking because “Above all else, the Devil cannot stand to be mocked.” – CS Lewis
“Come to think of it, I’d also toss out the be-wigged Michael Voris, the odious Christine Niles and absolutely everyone at Catholic Answers.”
OD funded CMtv as Real Catholic tv courtesy of Marc Brammer OD supernumerary employee of Moody financials. One of Voris’ first videos ,
“How to be a Real Catholic “….join Opus Dei. OD also owns Cath. Communications Network in DC from which EWTN “World Over Live” broadcasts. This is why there is little to no criticism of Borgoglio.
Fit Shea with a video camera please . Watching him fight the Taliban would be more interesting than his blog.
Fantasizing about murdering people, specifically other Catholics. No wonder you’re banned from all the other sites. What a sick person. I hope Shea reports you to the police. You want to know why the combox here is going to get shut down? Go look in the mirror and read the sick thing you just wrote aloud.
My 2 Cents……..so your link goes to prove that “good” priests do not understand what is and is not a grave mortal sin.
They do not speak out because they are outnumbered especially in the hierarchy. Most just leave .Many become alcoholics and the younger ones who get through do not want to be Diocesans under these Bishops. They opt to look for teaching positions as the mother of one young priest told me.
But even in that effort he is finding he is in the hetero minority.
Skilts , your “obsessions” bespeaks of a diabolical sickness.
What refection do you see in the mirror ,if any at all?
You comments of hate posts here are directed at the blog owner ,
Randy Engel , myself and now TGS ,even when you are not responding to any comments !
Then you accuse everyone of being angry but yourself.
It beggars belief !
Are you so witless that drawing a distinction between sarcasm and fact exceed your mental capacities?
………and see here TGS,
Voris offers a TRADITIONAL continental breakfast if you go on one of his “Retreats at Sea”.
It also makes me think of James Martin’s, ‘Building Bridges’ and going back farther the oft repeated statement by the LC’s Regnum Christi about “Building Bridges to our Bishops…..
Maybe they all knew good men who were Ordained would leave and work as toll takers on bridges, because trying to tell their Bishops anything was always in vain.
Many priests said that.
Wow… okay…
I think all of us with a brain recognize hyperbole and black humor when we see it.
I’ve checked and so far, Francis has not made such humor “inadmissible”…
After all, it would conflict with his gospel of Joy.
Let’s not be frowning sourpusses…
LOL
I always found it bizarre that he uses a luxury cruise with all the trimmings as a fund raiser during Lent. The man is a total tosser.
You’ve been told before – get lost.
See Johno said it was a joke so OK not a threat although I don’t think it’s very funny. But then you threaten me. You are the one who said you were coming into the combox to “clean it up” BenedicT. Then sweepINthefilth calls me “witless” and says “diabolical sickness”. Nothing has anything to do with the article. Especially joking about murdering Mark Shea and giving him to the Taliban. Good job you two you are killing the combix. Why doesn’t Verecchio just ban you like every other site???
TGS. He was “married”on a cruise ship according to the E Michael Jones’ ebook.
Perhaps it is nostalgic for him?
“Verrecchio” has two ‘r’s.
Again you mock me. I apologize to Louie Verrechio for misspeling his name and put in 2 Rs but not because you Benedict say so. Again: The Blog was about exposing pervert/molesters like McCarick which is a good idea but you are changing the subject to talk about killing Mark Shea with Taliban; even if you are joking its’ still wrong. Stay brief and on topic “for crying out loud”.
This is your very first comment here Skiltsy, Go to the top and read. It is very obvious you are here to make trouble.
How is YOU did not stay on topic in your initial comment? Instead you land here all the time with attacks aimed at other posters.
” The Blog was about exposing pervert/molesters like McCarick which is a good idea but you are changing the subject
Ignatio makes rational comments.
Others make irrational ones.” And your nasty comment to Ursulaand all others aside from one………
“But you say the whole church is fake. So does everyone here. If that is so then fake cardinals cannot elect a real pope.”
“Others like sweepINthefilth make lies and insults.
Verecio needs to make sure Ignatio is heard and sweepINthefilth and loudmouth Stalin are silenced.”
……….and your last sentence here while telling someone else off ,”Stay brief and on topic “for crying out loud”.
Apparently you pick and choose who should be allowed to post or not post on this site?
They just keep coming.
https://www.barnhardt.biz/
No Borgolio does not judge he just gives them higher appointments , praise and more influence over the Church institution.
Great News Everyone!! Finally a bishop speaks out against how terribly the Pope has been destroying the Catholic Church. – “The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by anti-Christs, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out… this is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the anti-Christ.” Archbishop Lefebvre, August 29, 1987
Ignatio proves the point that as I stated before the SSPX partisans will inject anti-sedevacantist diatribes into every post that discusses the heresies and other scandals coming from the purported occupant of the seat of Peter. Ignatio Mr. V provided a forum for such discussions so please start a topic there to discuss the purported shortcomings of the sedevacantist position.
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BTW Ignatio, if you believe a subordinate agency of the Church can perform a juridical action of even the slightest kind to separate a Pope from his office you profess heresy in view of Vatican I and I admonish you to abjure it. Any juridical action that would separate a Pope from his office involuntarily is punitive in nature and the agency performing such action would have to be viewed as a superior in relation to the Pope. The Pope has no superiors. The only solution to the problem of an heretical Pope is to treat his public profession of heresy as a tacit renunciation of office. The Church teaches that one outside the Church cannot rule the Church, so a Pope who places himself publicly and voluntarily outside the Church knows that as one outside the Church he can no longer rule the Church. The only appropriate action by the hierarchy in such a situation is to recognize his profession of heresy as a tacit renunciation of office, to declare the seat empty as a non-juridical act, and to hold a new election. Its really simple, isn’t it?
Here NO Legion of Christ priest ,who is Mary Ann Gendon’s new son in law, tells us how to listen to out conscience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=5lZvOCX33Ts
So much for these poster boy contributors to major new networks.
LOL, Skilts , how dare you complain about TGS “mocking” you?
Your very made up monicker is an intent to mock !
The question is .How many more like himself did McCarrick Ordain?
Years ago Randy Engel pointed it out to me to look and see who does the Ordinations of whom. The same goes for Consecrations of Bishops , there always seems to be one of like sexual orientation doing the Consecrating of another.
http://torontocatholicwitness.blogspot.com/
McCarrick has two ‘r’s too.
The sede privationist thesis of theologian Fr Guerard des Lauriers says that they can.
@sweep
Being a man of integrity, you must have issue with converts St. Augustine and St. Paul, to name a few.
Converts to the Vatican II faith are not the same thing as converts to the Catholic Faith. I was once the former and I thank God that I am now the latter.
Thank you, Johnbilbee, for this quote. I’d love to hear this now from the new Superior General of the SSPX. Do you think it is possible?
Take a look at any RCIA program and tell me with a straight face that it teaches the Catholic Faith. Their semenaries do not even teach the Catholic Faith. Why do so many trads who read these pages still insist on equating the conciliar crowd with the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church along with visibility must have unity of faith. There is absolutely no unity of faith in the conciliar sect. So if you are going to argue that sedevacantism is not possible because it violates “visibility,” the you must also argue that the conciliar NO sect is not the Catholic Church since it violates “unity of faith.”
@Tom A: Inconvenient truths for the R&R types. Their leaders actually put into writing these sentiments!?@!!:
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http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Archbishop_Lefebvre_and_the_Vatican/Part_I/1988-07-06.htm
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The signatories to this document certainly appeared to believe that there was a distinction between the VII Church and the Catholic Church!
@ Sursum , like the posters above I thoroughly agree the converts to the post V2 church by in large did not participate in a real catechesis. Most have converted through a new Movement. By that I mean Opus Dei, Focalare Neo Cat LC /RC etc. There are few exceptions , because these groups offer them a platform as experts like Ms Arnold ,undoubtedly to re catechize Catholics with either a traditional Catholic upbringing or those who learned nothing. my husband and a friend went to a local RC parish RCIA program and would come home laughing that their questions stumped the teachers i.e. Sister and Deacon no nothing who could not even answer why one genuflects when passing before the Blessed Sacrament.
How delighted the “disordered” clerics must be with these programs!!!
St C: At one time the SSPX called the NO sect the “conciliar” church. Now they call it the “official” church. Words have meaning unless one is a modernist.
A recent secular news article gloated over how Catholic Mass attendence in Montreal went from 90% in the late 1950s to 5% today, with hundreds of beautiful churches sold off for secular purposes. Vatican II and the rest of it — let’s include the Bugnini “reforms” of the 1950s — was an obvious disaster that must be entirely repealed. Anyone who thinks otherwise should say the A-bombing of Hiroshima was an urban beautification project.
“sweepoutthekilts August 4, 2018
First to one ‘God’s Sevant First” ……….you say :
“Do you want to know why j chose the name I did? It’s not obsession. It’s not flattery. It’s mocking because “Above all else, the Devil cannot stand to be mocked.” – CS Lewis”
IF THE HORNS FIT SKILTS ,WEAR EM WITH PRIDE AND DON”T COMPLAIN !
sweepoutthekilts August 4, 2018
Then a in reply to “The Great Stalin”….you say:
“Again you mock me. I apologize to Louie Verrechio for misspeling his name and put in 2 Rs but not because you Benedict say so. Again: The Blog was about exposing pervert/molesters like McCarick which is a good idea but you are changing the subject to talk about killing Mark Shea with Taliban; even if you are joking its’ still wrong. Stay brief and on topic “for crying out loud”.
You are the nasty troublemaker here who should be banned because you insult and mock everyone ( including one guest contributor , the blog host and multiple posters)
and then complain when someone hands it back to you.
Ecclesiastic demons strike back in Oklahoma.
https://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2018/08/what-is-going-on-in-oklahoma.html?m=1#comment-form
More on “Uncle Teddy”:
https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2018/08/from-age-15-mccarrick-was-groomed-for.html
The homosexual network in the “church” goes very deep indeed.
BREAKING: Practicing Homosexual Appointed to High Vatican Position
RORATE has learned from a couple of sources that a recent appointment of Pope Francis to a high Vatican position is known widely by the hierarchy and informed laity of his European country as a promiscuous practicing homosexual.
His lifestyle led originally to his exile from his diocese of origin.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
(Update: Our tips on Twitter allowed many to find out for themselves the name of the new Prelate.)
Katherine , Barnhardt has him and his background.
Are we witnessing the implosion of the Vatican II sect??
Two words: Rabbi Skorka
My theory on this is the “grey hairs” in the pews are the least informed and faithful Catholics in generations and are totally oblivious to the fags in the hierarchy. Thus they are oblivious to the need to support faithful priests and to humiliate the sodomite imposters. I pray for a generation of busybody traditional grandmothers with time on their hands who are ingenious in buttonholing cowardly or worse bishops and embarrassing them every time they show their face in public! I want to see these shameless frauds blush!
my2cents,
Am I missing something from that blog post? Is there more to the story? Or is this nut actually claiming she pinpointed McCarrick’s homo conversion because she can’t locate his whereabouts 70+ years ago?
This is really getting out of control with this washer woman type gossip going on here. I know emotions are running real high right now, but I would be real careful with this nonsense.
When lesfemmes or a vulgar loon like Ann Barnhardt becomes a linked source, I can no longer take this seriously.
IslesRool- If you don’t trust the source of this article, that’s OK. However, there is enough credible evidence that McCarrick’s life as a priest was a sickening sham. I hope he does spend the rest of his life in prayer and penance and lives to be 110. It may take that long to make restitution.
Been there .done that.
2 Vermont,
I agree regarding Barnahardt’s vulgarity but she does link sources .On the other hand ,Susan Matthesen , Krietzer’s NO Orlando area co blogger gives zero links to back up her hypothesis.
From Barnhardt’s website………..
“The person being referenced by Rorate Caeli as a “recent appointment of Pope Francis to a high Vatican position known widely by the hierarchy and informed laity of his European country as a promiscuous practicing homosexual of such scandalous repute that it led to his exile from his diocese of origin” is:Father José Tolentino Calaça de Mendonça, vice rector of the Catholic University of Lisbon.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-chooses-pro-lgbt-priest-to-guide-lent-retreat-who-holds-jesus
Mendonça is an open, active, highly promiscuous sodomite and HUGE “LGBT” activist. Mendonça’s wretched life of open, sacriligious sodomy was so bad that the people in his hometown of Madeira, Portugal drove him out of town on a rail.”
My 2Cents..if the rest of his life in prayer and penance is anything like Maciel’s was , we should be so lucky to retire in the luxury and car he will have.
I’m sorry the above comment was for Isles de Roo 1.
” Cardinal Borgolio” should have resigned like the Chilean Bishops did.
So much for the smell of the sheep.
“A priest in the waiting room offered to bring her to Cardinal Bergoglio, whose office was in an adjacent building, the Curia Metropolitana. Varela went next door and requested a meeting, but because she did not want to tell the receptionists the specific reason she needed to speak with the cardinal, they would not convey her message to him. Security was called, and she was escorted from the premises.”
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/Argentina/Detailed_Pardo_Summary.htm
Please don’t take it as a personal attack and also please don’t think I’m some sort of McCarrick supporter in any way. I’m just getting sick of all of this craziness.
All of these internet detectives locating obscure messages or photos, unearthing “evidence” against a homo priest. It just has a strong odor of snowflake SJW’s or #metoo “victims”.
In the same way it is a statistical certainty that a portion #metoo’s, however low it may be, would lie about an incident 30 years ago to destroy a man’s career…I do believe there may exist people who destroy clergy for profit…people are evil. I mean I just witnessed someone label a 15 year old a homo 70+ years ago!
This is all for Christ to sort out, not us. I’m not prepared to judge these things. Words, both oral and written, have power. They mean something. And if someone is going to spread gossip as serious as this, for the sake of their soul, I hope they’re sure.
Isles, again there are no links to source documentation in her article .
I agree . Who groomed him why ,where and exactly when and for what? Note there are no comments posted either.
So we can conclude others are wondering why too.
Don’t get your hopes up 2VT, a few heads will roll, attendance at their fake worship services will continue to drop, but the sodomite culture will continue. In fact, they will probably offer up the few remaining conservative prelates as sacrificial lambs.
No I am not making trouble. Look at what you wrote. You replied to yourself three times. That is mental illness. I asked a question about if there are no real cardinals. You have tried to dominate this combox for some reason. Please be quiet and stay on topic.
IslesRoo1, this is so important what you said. I hope people listen to you. Spreading slander and gossip and lies is very serious and people need to stop doing it or they will wind up in Hell. Please continue to remind people.
Do you hear the crickets?
Dear Kilts–Don’t you sense the sorrow and frustration of those who comment regarding the takeover of Our Lord’s Church by those who seek to destroy it? If the links provided here disturb you, please post links that offer some hope and proof that the Catholic Church will return to Her Glorious Traditions. If you could do that, we will all benefit.
There is plenty of good in the Church today. If you go to Mass then you know this. A lot of people here do not so they don’t know. What is not good is spreading foul lies. Frustration is understandable. What is not is setting up a web site to spread lies about people and speculation and have no proof like that lady did which IslesRoo1 pointed out. When you cry “wolf” and makes false accusations and lies it makes it easier for the guilty to get away.
Dear Kilts–I appreciate your reply. However, if you are referring to the V2 NO mass, then I must disagree. I have never attended a N.O. mass without feeling more depressed and frustrated. If you are referring to the TLM, then you have a point. But let’s remember, the TLM is not available to all Catholics—That’s the sin of it.
We are all in this together. If we fight among ourselves, the real enemy gets a pass.
Papal Subject: “What’s your goal Ingatio? Don’t just say, “to get to heaven”, as that’s obvious, but what’s your goal in putting forth your take on the situation in the Church since Vatican II and the new mass?”
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No particular goal, just posting occasional comments like everyone else. What’s your goal?
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Papal Subject: “How do you explain this terrible crisis?”
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It’s not difficult to explain and there are no mysteries involved. The Church has been infiltrated by her enemies and they are attacking her from within. It began well before the Second Vatican Council, as the Alta Ventita attests. The damage is now reaching the point at which God will have to intervene, but they have not destroyed the institution of the Church, because they cannot destroy the institution of the Church.
Tom, the only time a pope is guaranteed not to err is when he’s defining a doctrine. Infallibility prevents him from erring at that MOMENT only, not before and not after. This mean, if a Pope is teaching the the entire Church, but not defining a doctrine, he can err – and the Church has never taught that his err cannot be a heresy.
Ignatio, your first statement is true. A Pope cannot err when defining on faith or morals. That is absolutely true. The Church has also never said a Pope can never make a mistake. What the Church has always taught was that a heretic seperates himself from the Church. Which is exactly what all these modernists Popes have most likely done. Because they preach heresy, we are commanded to avoid them. Not resist them, AVOID them. Have nothing to do with them.
Those who continue to focus only on papal infallibility/ex cathedra definitions seem to forget (or are ignorant of) the infallibility of the Church in matters of faith and morals. Nowhere does the Church teach that the Vicar of Christ can teach error to the Universal Church in matters of faith and morals…whether by the extraordinary magisterium or the ordinary universal magisterium.
Francis has just taught error to the Universal Church via the ordinary universal magisterium. He can not possibly be the Vicar of Christ. To say he is is to say that the Catholic Church in fallible in its teachings on faith and morals.
*is* not *in*
St. Cyprian: “BTW Ignatio, if you believe a subordinate agency of the Church can perform a juridical action of even the slightest kind to separate a Pope from his office you profess heresy in view of Vatican I and I admonish you to abjure it. … The ONLY solution to the problem of an heretical Pope is to treat his public profession of heresy as a tacit renunciation of office. … The only appropriate action by the hierarchy in such a situation is to recognize his profession of heresy as a tacit renunciation of office, to declare the seat empty as a non-juridical act, and to hold a new election. Its really simple, isn’t it?”
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A profession of heresy does not equal a tacit renunciation of office. If you think it does, support your position by naming 3 bishops during the past millennium who the Church recognizes as having “tacitly resigned” their office because of the profession of heresy.
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And no one believes a pope loses his authority before the Church takes some sort of legal action. Bellarmine, who you claim to follow, but whose teaching you don’t understand, said the faithful must continue to obey a heretical pope until he is legitimately deposed or declared not to be the pope.
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The canonist and former rector of the Gregorian, Father Ghirlanda, studied the question of papal in depth before writing this in 2013:
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“The vacancy of the Roman See occurs in case of the cessation of the office on the part of the Roman Pontiff, which happens for four reasons: 1) Death, 2) Sure and perpetual insanity or complete mental infirmity; 3) Notorious apostasy, heresy, schism; 4) Resignation. Father Ghirlanda explains: “In the first case, the Apostolic See is vacant from the moment of death of the Roman Pontiff; IN THE SECOND AND IN THE THIRD FROM THE MOMENT OF THE DECLARATION ON THE PART OF THE CARDINALS; in the fourth from the moment of the renunciation.” (Gianfranco Ghirlanda, Cessazione dall’ufficio di Romano Pontefice, “La Civiltà Cattolica” q. n 3905 March, 2 th 2013, p. 445.)
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If a pope falls into heresy, the papal see becomes vacant at the moment of a declaration, not before. He goes on to explain that the declaration does depose the pope, but only declares the fact:
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“There is the case, admitted by doctrine, of notorious apostasy, heresy and schism, into which the Roman Pontiff could fall … However, in such cases, because ‘the first see is judged by no one’ (Canon 1404) no one could depose the Roman Pontiff, but only a declaration of the fact would be had, which would have to be done by the Cardinals, at least of those present in Rome.”
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That’s how it works. The Church doesn’t depose a pope, since it has no authority to do so, but only declares the fact. But before the declaration of fact the pope (or “putative pope” if you prefer) retains his authority. That’s why St. Bellarmine said he must be obeyed before the declaration. As Father Ghirlanda explained, it is only after the declaration from the Church that the see become vacant.
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If you can’t wrap you head around that, I’m not surprised. And if you think you know better than the former rector of the Gregorian, there’s little hope that you’ll ever see your way out of you error and return to the Church.
“The Catholic hierarchy is in the thick of a new sex abuse storm and this time the Roman Curia’s in the eye of it. Portuguese bishop Carlo Azevedo, 59, previously Auxiliary Bishop of Lisbon who coordinated the Pope’s visit in 2010, he is now a delegate of the Pontifical Council of Culture and is being accused of allegedly molesting a seminarist. Portuguese magazine Visão reported the news, dedicating its front page to the report filed against the bishop in 2010 at the Apostolic Nunciature in Lisbon.”
http://www.lastampa.it/2013/02/21/vaticaninsider/the-curias-in-trouble-again-hWhtnuLLra9gy2uadoDUXM/pagina.html
Please start a thread in the forum. You are not following the instructions of Mr. V.
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Is the “declaration of fact” a “juridical act” on the part of the Cardinals, or is it more in the nature of a “news report” done merely for the benefit of the faithful like is done, for example, on the death of the Pope?
Skilts, These comments are replies to YOUR posts and yes YOU are a “troublemaker” here and I did not say that someone else did.
Gods servant first August 4, 2018
“The only loudmouth on here is you. You’re one bitter and twisted non-Catholic malcontent hell bent on stifling the educated, wise and true Catholics on this site. And please , as a matter of courtesy, learn to spell Louie’s surname correctly. Finally, may I respectfully suggest that you remove yourself until you have something to offer apart from jealousy of the more able and your signature basic rants? Good boy!”
The Great Stalin August 4, 2018
“You’ve been told before – get lost.”
Everyone please pay attention to how this insane woman is attacking me and lying. You just said “I did not say that someone else did.” Literally three of your comments above that, you said, and I quote: “This is your very first comment here Skiltsy, Go to the top and read. It is very obvious you are here to make trouble.”
I rest my case: you are so full of lies and filth you cannot control yourself anymore or keep them all straight. Right there you lie about something you wrote for all to see.
I am not going to respond to you anymore. There are other people here who have
things to say. I hope you go away because this combox is now almost all “filth” you are “sweeping in” all the time.
For some people they are ok with Novus Ordo. I would say most. If you go to the TLM and that is best for you, so be it and you should have hope for the future just like the people who go to Novus Ordo and are faithful Catholics do. There are a lot of them too. I Respect what you mean. But lots of people who don’t even try to go to Mass shouldn’t tell other people what to do or get angry (again, that doesn’t mean you).
Skilts….”I am not going to respond to you anymore.”
Good please don’t ! You waste my time and everyone else’s with your vile attacks.
My 2 Cents, as you have stated before you have problems finding a TLM Mass as do I. However, people here should not jump to the rash judgement that others do just “do not go to Mass”, for frivolous reasons.
Here is just one example of the hateful abuse some TLM parishioners experience.
Catty Priest Insults Minorities In Homily…
By Laramie Hirsch
“…And, by minorities, I don’t mean brown-skinned people, immigrants, or homosexuals. Instead, the minorities I mention are the most hated minorities in the Catholic Church: Traditionalists.
If you attended Mass at a certain parish in Tulsa early this July, you’d be pleased to see a good sized group of people at a diocesan Traditional Latin Mass. While the priest there hardly spoke English at all, being a man from Ecuador, he nevertheless did his utmost to worship the Almighty. Latin is the universal high language of the Church. It was such a beautiful service, as it always has been ever since the TLM was brought to the parish about a decade ago. The people there have been taught the beauty of the Church’s tradition like never before. This is all thanks to now-retired Bishop Emeritus Slattery and the former parish priest who has now left the state.
On that, the seventh Sunday after Pentecost, the parish’s Extraordinary Form would feature a reading from Matthew 7:15-21 . Only it wasn’t read by the Hispanic priest. He dutifully stepped aside, and the passage was instead read by the parish priest himself:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
If only the Hispanic priest gave the homily. By all accounts, he appears to love the Latin Mass. Or, dare we dream, wouldn’t it have been nice if the homily came from the former parish priest who introduced the Latin Mass in the first place? (It seems that he was actually in town that day) Or even the retired bishop who always protected the Catholic Tradition in this part of Oklahoma? No. The homily was given by the current parish priest. Yet, surely after a full year of shepherding over the Traditionalist laity, this priest would have grown some kind of fondness for the flock beneath him. Right?
The congregation waited for the kind-hearted instructions from their shepherd.
What Took Place
After reading from Matthew, the sermon took a strange turn. At first, the priest didn’t seem to make sense. It was as though his words melted into typical post-Vatican II gobbelty gook language. While he initially seemed to be deconstructing St. Paul’s writing style, it all seemed one big incoherent ramble. After that, the priest then talked about people’s athletic ability. He commented about how the people of Christ’s day didn’t need to go to the gym because they walked everywhere.
Suddenly, just when it seemed his sermon (?) should be wrapping up, he capped off his ramble by bringing up zip codes. He talked about the parish’ s own poor neighborhood, and that local income was not very high. This was a common, perennial problem, he explained, as it’s been a low-income neighborhood since the 1950s. But then, he unmistakably complained about laity who drive in from widely divergent locations. He appeared to scoff at those who would drive one to two hours every Sunday from other towns and counties. And, of course, the only people doing this were the parishioners attending that diocesan Latin Mass.
Then, just as he did last year, he stated that the Latin Mass group in particular was not giving their proper share of money during collection time. He told the congregation that he preferred having only a Spanish and English Mass. They were reminded that the FSSP is across the river on the West side of town. And then, to qualify himself, he said that he had done his job and kept all of his promises to them for the past year, ever since he took over the parish.
In other words: “I’ve done everything I was supposed to do for you people. But really, you’re not welcome”
He ended his “homily” abruptly and walked off. He did not assist the Hispanic priest with distribution of the Eucharist after that. I have to wonder, was the Hispanic priest aware of the American priest’s statements?
Parishioners later noticed that the side chapel had its statues removed, and it looked blander and more Protestant.
What Was The Sunday Message?
So, did this priest think he appropriately tied his “homily” to the gospel reading from Matthew? Was he comparing a good tree that produces good fruit to an evil tree that produces bad fruit? More to the point: does this priest think the Latin Mass produces bad fruit? After all, according to him, the Traditional Catholic community wasn’t generating enough income for the parish. So, shall we also conclude that, in this priest’s mind, good fruit = money? Bad fruit = less money? Is money the objective? Is it cash that should concern us? Do diocesan Traditionalists produce bad fruit in the form of inadequate collection amounts? If so, how much more do they need to fork over until they are good and worthy in this priest’s eyes?
I always thought that, in post-Vatican II Catholic Church, good fruit = happiness, togetherness, community, fraternal charity, good feelings, and all that emotional hippy dippy stuff. If so, this tradition-hating priest certainly doesn’t value these aspects when it comes to interacting with the Latin Mass parishioners. Certainly, dare I say, it does not appear as though this priest considers “good fruit” to be wholesome, clean, confessed souls in a state of grace. (That’s just a dusty, triumphalist, pre-Vatican II novelty). Not in this “homily.” Allegedly, he does not even consistently hear confessions from the Latin Mass group on a monthly basis–as he said he would in the beginning of his tenure. But even assuming these reports to be wrong: is confession once a month enough?
And what of those poor English and Spanish Mass parishioners, living in that low-income zip code? Are their contributions inadequate and deserving of a scolding? Do those communities produce bad fruit as well? Or are they somehow exempt? Are those poor folks mystically holy because of their poorness? Do their low incomes make them virtuous, while the assumed higher incomes of the Traditionalists make them less virtuous? Is it even accurate to assume the traditionalists have higher incomes, or is that a blanket assumption by the priest?
Did the priest even mean any of this? Or was he simply ignoring the Sunday gospel reading, preferring to instead deliver a reckless, harsh message to a group of people who’ve done nothing to him?
What This Does To A Community
Modernist post-Vatican II priests have 20th Century liberal values. They want to sweep the “old dusty Catholic Church” under the rug. They want to shove all those un-hip, stubborn losers who “can’t get with it” into a ghetto. They are in the middle of transforming the Catholic Church into “a new thing,” and laity holding onto how it’s always been are in the way. The New Order uses a sort of federal-government-eminent-domain tactic that runs over communities such as this.
There once was a strong community at this parish. In fact, it was rather famous, regionally speaking. People had always praised the good things Bishop Edward Slattery had done, and a lot of it took place in this very parish under a good priest. But after the retirement and replacement of the good bishop, and after the installation of Pope Francis’ new bishop, it has been demonstrated that there has always been a cabal of priests in this town who, under the surface, always vehemently opposed what Bp. Slattery did. There have always been priests in Tulsa’s diocese who have hated Tradition. At best, these priests view Tulsa’s traditionalist laity as an inconvenience. Judging from the abuse this particular parish has received in the past year, we can conclude that some priests view this group of laity with contempt. They have therefore tried to destroy this community–and not without results.
If we are going to refer to the fruits of good or bad intentions, then let’s see this situation for what it is. The fruit of this priest and the new bishop is the scattering of Tulsa’s Traditionalist community in many directions. The fruit of their work is angst, both in this community and beyond. The fruit of these New Order clergymen has been to instill a deep sense of abandonment in laity in Northeast Oklahoma. Those who hold on to their faith amidst these sorts of trials feel as though the Sword of Damocles hangs over their head. These people have not been uplifted; they have been tolerated. They have not been embraced and welcomed; they have been alienated. They have no intrinsic worth to the local Catholic community. No one dares ask them what they think. They are an elephant in the room. If a priest in the diocese dares to offer to learn the Latin Mass, he becomes a marked man. Traditionalists are avoided. They are shunned. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were given their own drinking fountains.
If this is the fruit of the new bishop, the new priest, and those who agree with their agenda, then let us ask: is this good fruit or bad fruit?
Conclusions: Money, Money, Money…?
Let’s recap what the three congregations were contributing last October, the last time this very same priest complained about money. According to that church bulletin, the figures were as follows:
Anglos (28% of the parish) contribute 40%
Hispanics (60% of the parish) contribute 46%
Latin (12% of the parish) contribute 24%
(The term “Anglos” is the priest’s terminology, not mine.)
As you can see, the Latin Mass congregation was contributing twice the amount that they represented for the pleasure of having this priest spit in their face. Today, thanks to a steady diet of nasty, passive-aggressive discouragement, the Latin Mass community has been reduced to 60% of what they once were. Yet, these people continue to provide more money than they actually represent.
Even more interesting is the fact that some of the Hispanic laity have also witnessed this priest’s actions. After all, it was a combination of the English, Spanish, and Latin Mass congregations who helped to build and complete the St. Toribio Shrine. Yet, this new priest is undoing many of the Catholic reforms the former priest brought to the parish. This hasn’t gone unnoticed by the Hispanic community. No es bueno. They don’t like it. Some have even left for another Tulsa Spanish-speaking parish. Some tried attending the TLM at one point–perhaps longing for traces of their former shepherd. I can’t help but wonder what changes took place in that congregation since last year.
If money truly was the end goal of this priest, he would stop being ugly to the Latin Mass laity. Why? Because they’ve been carrying a large portion of the parishes’ finances on their shoulders. If and when they go, the parish will be all the poorer for it. In effect, this new priest will have driven out a large source of income. But ultimately, does he really care about the money? Or does this priest value the removal of those Trads over everything else?
In this situation, at best, we can assume that this priest is materialist. But what is more likely is that this priest is acting in malice towards these people. He wants them gone. Period.”
Plenty of good??? If you mean efforts to alleviate natural human conditions, then perhaps there are parts of the NO sect doing this well. But if you mean there are elements in the NO sect dedicated to the salvation of souls, then surely you jest.
Yes, these “Catholic” organisations and high-level Church office-holders are the “respectable”, “professional”, “worldlywise-educated”, “conpromising”, “diplomatic”, “secular”, “worldly”, “indifferentist”, “acceptable to-, nay, controlled by- the powerful enemies of God and His Church that run the temporal world by the power of Satan and his demons” . . . . . sort of Catholics.
Yes, only heretics, apostates, perverts and those in outright war with God’s Law are allowed in Holy See departments and Pontifical organisations.
Where is the zeal for God, the Holy Faith, even just moral truth?? Almost nowhere to be found. If we had faithful priests and bishops, they would be leading the faithful lay people, and be in prisons, and severely persecuted around the world, not colluding with the evil secular powers who persecute those good people who stand against their evil-doing. But no, in most countries, they have long abandoned the Faithful to suffer alone, as they wine and dine with the persecutors.
. . . they’re not “persecuted” anymore – wait until they have the SSPX “inside”. Oh, yes, remember the once-thriving, faithful FFI – whatever happened them ???? Ah yes, they received some helpful, reorganisation and reorientation by the “Holy See” . . .
A few years ago, Fr Mark Kirby left the Benedictine monastwry in Tulsa and set up a new priory, Silverstream, in Stamullen, County Meath, Ireland. They are very small but growing. I know of only one Irish brother among them, most are from USA.
Most do not attend the Novus Ordo or the TLM.
Most have left !
Look up the stats and you will know.
I agree Tom , there will be more because the show must go on.
Several weeks ago I read an interview with a ssa cleric who had the gall to actually say that Catholics would have to put up with homosexual priests because we need them for the Sacraments. I beg to differ.
The Novos Ordo rite is completely devoid of an offering of the Divine Victim as a propitiatory Sacrifice. It is nowhere in the rite. None whatsoever. There is no Offertory.
There is, in its place, an offering of bread and wine for no purpose apart from an ambiguous reference to becoming bread of life and spiritual drink, but no Victim.
Any properly catechised Catholic will tell you that the three essential parts of the Mass that one must be present for to fulfil one’s Sunday obligation to God, are 1. the Offertory, 2. the Consecration and 3. the Priest’s Communion.
Since the Novus Ordo has no Offertory, how does one fulfil his obligation by attending it? How does one say he has truly been to Mass if it is a Novus Ordo rite?
For the record, I’m not doubting the subjective and sincere intentions of those who don’t know any better because they haven’t studied the issues. I’m guessing that you’re among them, sweepoutthekilts.
I’m at the point where I feel the rosary is all I have. Perhaps it’s supposed to be that way. I just don’t know.
These are confusing times. Such chaos and most of the world hasn’t a clue. How can it be that Christ’s church can contradict itself and be the author of confusion? But they do it in such a way as to make people like myself, a dummy who sincerely desires truth, to question themselves. I’m not opposed to anything at this point and do my best to remain open, but a church that denies sin and accepts a third gender when both God AND science affirm man and woman, is no longer representative of truth. Any five year old can “discern” that much. Is this the end of a church age and the beginning of the reign of Mary’s Immaculate Heart?
I do find it interesting that most, if not all of prophecy, be it popes, mystics, saints, even non Catholics etc. concern times up to around these times were living in now. Why no talk about the year 3500 or 4000 etc.? Even secular atheists have it in their bones. They all think the oceans will boil in a hundred years.
This is a crazy time to be alive that’s for sure!
StC
for come CRAZY reason these people continue to believe (why, I have no idea) that the ordinary universal magisterium can be disobeyed. Lunacy.
My apologies
My comment was directed at 2Vermont. This combox is a little confusing to navigate sometimes.
Bellarmine never said that. What if the “pope” was still in office and telling the faithful to commit human sacrifices? They should do it? You lie.
I believe many of us , if not all with only several exception posts , have witnessed the destruction of the Mass first hand in our perspective Diocese.
We also know it is linked to modernists who tolerate and even welcome aberro sexual deviants be they at the pulpit or in the pews.
The ONLY remedy I know of is the Rosary because these persons have even entered into Traditionalist communities.
These are indeed strange times when right is wrong and acceptance of wrong is labeled as charity.
IslesRoo, Christ Himself pondered whether He would find any faith left on earth when He returned. These events of modern times should not surprise us. Yes, we can lament them and we should, but in the end, many may have nothing left but the Rosary. We are living in Holy Saturday. We are afraid and confused. All is a mystery to us right now, but we know that soon, one day, He will restore His Bride to Her Glory. The filth that occupy the once Holy places cannot be His Spotless Bride. They teach a false faith full of lies and deceit. Have nothing to do with the imposters.
Rich, one day soon, Bergolio will come out with a whopper and actually define and bind the church to a heresy. I don’t know how, but the RRers will come up with some excuse to disobey. They always do.
Tom A said: “The sodomite modernists will never give us back our buildings, we don’t need them.”
WRONG! St. Peter is REALLY buried below St. Peter’s Basilica. God ordained this is where the seat of St. Peter is to be in the Vatican in Rome. The Conciliar NO Sect is a “squatter” in St. Peter’s, Santiago de Compostela, Lourdes, Fatima, and the entire sacred architectural patrimony of Catholic Christendom! Our Lord is now “evicting” them through their own rotten “fruit”: contraception and sodomy = death and demographic implosion of the NO squatters. WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR HOLY PLACES!!! This is how it is done with God’s grace, one Sacred Tabernacle for Our Lord at a time: http://www.sacredheart-op.com/Chapel%20Fund.htm
Lenny, it will be wonderful if one day we can reclaim these Holy places. But our true treasure is the Faith we profess not the real estate we worship on.
The indefectibility of the Church lies within the Faith, the set of dogmas and doctrines. It is not the brick and mortar. Nor does it lie in the men (term used losely these days) who claim the various titles.
Don’t worry folks–Help is on the way!
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/08/06/cardinal-wuerl-proposes-panel-to-investigate-rumours-against-bishops/
We could all sleep well tonight!
You are absolutely right, it’s not about “brick and mortar”. The indefectibility of the Church is a gift from Christ to the Church by which she is preserved to the end of the age as the “institution of salvation”. However, RESTITUTION is necessary for salvation with respect to the 7th Commandment. Per the Angelic Doctor: “Since therefore the safeguarding of justice is necessary for salvation, it follows that it is necessary for salvation to restore what has been taken unjustly.” Consequently, it is important for the sake of these “squatter” souls that what was stolen should be returned. Many are not even aware of what they have had stolen and desecrated! Charity demands that Trads engage in a “great commission” to NO clergy and laity of good will to abjure V2 heresy and make restitution for the sins of the Conciliar Church and return to the Faith.
Bishops to investigate themselves! That’ll solve the problem.
God protect us from these sodomitic reptiles.
In a few more days Wuerl’s coverup complicity of molesting clerics as Pittsburgh’s Bishop will be in print and he knows it.
The Church teaches that heretics are not counted as members of the Mystical Body of Christ.
These heretics operating out of the Vatican at the moment aren’t our people. Divine Law prevents them from holding jurisdiction over the Faithful. Their claim to be the hierarchy is false.
That’s how I understand it, because that’s what the Church teaches me. I don’t trust their Council, their “mass” or their rite of ordination.
Ditto TPS, I cannot for the life of me understand how good traditionally oriented Catholics can accept the notion that a blatant heretic like Bergolio (and Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger) can be head of an institution he is not a member of.
I hope this happens before the world meeting of families where Wuerl is scheduled to speak and before Francis’ presence graces the shores of Ireland.
Ignatio: Since you won’t start a topic in the forum, and since I refuse to do your work for you, I will briefly respond here. Ghirlanda’s OPINION if interpreted in the way you interpret it is internally inconsistent and problematic. Ghirlanda correctly admits that the “first see is judged by no one”, and that the declaration is only a declaration of fact (e.g., a news report).
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If your interpretation of Ghirlanda is correct about when and why the see becomes vacant (after, and as a result of, the declaration) then the declaration HAS to be viewed as juridical. If it is juridical, then the Cardinals are asserting jurisdiction over the Pope and are judging him. This position is no longer tenable after VI, and is in fact heretical.
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The simpler explanation of Ghirlanda’s position is that the declaration of the Cardinals is just a courtesy provided to the faithful (i.e., a news report) describing something that has already happened. Something in the nature of “the Pope publicly professed A on a settled matter of the faith”, “the Church teaching B on the settled matter is contradicted by A making A heresy”, and “a manifest heretic cannot hold office in the Church so the see was vacant from the time that the Pope publicly professed his heresy A”.
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Many Catholics in such a situation, e.g., where “A” is “the death penalty is inadmissible”, will recognize that the Pope has already publicly professed heresy and has placed himself outside the Church. Such Catholics need no “declaration”. The declaration would be for the benefit of the faithful who may not be aware of the fact that the Pope publicly professed heresy.
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Interpreting Ghirlanda in the way you do effectively means that a heretic can hold office in the Church. Pope Leo XIII repeated the teachings of all the Church fathers in Satis Cognitum that one outside the Church CANNOT rule the Church. John Salza made the argument that the Church can “tolerate a heretical Pope”. Who exactly is John Salza to contradict Pope Leo XIII and all the Church fathers?