Publicly espousing a “traditionalist” (aka Catholic) understanding of the Faith nowadays invites a whole host of insults from both the misled and the misleaders; from your local neo-conservative church lady all the way up to the pope.
The labels are familiar to all of us at this point, “neo-Pelagian, restorationist, schismatic, rosary-counting Catholic bat…” (the former being my personal favorite, obviously).
No big deal; we know it’s really just a badge of honor. (“Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.”)
In order to be labeled a flat out kook, however, it’s not enough just to be a cave dwelling triumphalist; for this one must have an attachment to Fatima.
To be more specific, the Insano Subito award is reserved for those Catholics who, like me, are entirely convinced that the so-called “Third Secret of Fatima” hasn’t been fully revealed, that the “official” interpretation of said secret as dispensed by the Holy See is wholesale hogwash, and furthermore, the consecration of Russia has not as yet taken place according to Our Lady’s request.
Rather than rehash the arguments here, I invite those with an interest to browse the presentations given at the Fatima Conference hosted by Fr. Gruner in 2012, if for no other reason than to avail oneself of certain facts that are part of the public record and not in dispute (e.g., who said what and when).
Many are unwilling to undertake such an effort, in which case, they have chosen to dwell in ignorance by placing their trust in untrustworthy leaders. So be it.
For those who do take the time to review said facts, however, only one logical conclusion is possible:
The “official” line (that the Third Secret of Fatima and the consecration requested by Our Lady have both been fulfilled) is simply untrue.
For some folks, this is such a bitter pill to swallow that abandoning all reason is the preferred course of action. While I can empathize, this denial of reality is a sign of weakness.
Analogies fail, but it’s kind of like a twelve year old finding out that his Daddy made up all those stories about being an astronaut and is really just a cook down at Johnny Rockets. Even after seeing “Major Tom” at the restaurant in a hair net making French fries, he’d rather cling to the fantasy than come to terms with reality.
In the case of Fatima, the reality of the situation is far more disturbing still. Staring headlong into the reality of Cardinals and popes who have deliberately deceived the faithful over the course of many years, in open defiance of the Mother of God, no matter what their motives may have been, is a horrifying proposition indeed.
And yet, whether one has the wherewithal to acknowledge it or not, such are the times in which we live.
Dear Mr. V.,
“—-In order to be labeled a flat out kook, however, it’s not enough just to be a cave dwelling triumphalist; for this one must have an attachment to Fatima.–”
heh, heh–I love it !!
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Here’s one of my faves from this Conference, on that Friday-scroll to “Fatima and the Contemplative Life”-Father Cyprian OSB{A}
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But they’re all super, including and especially for those who love him, Peter Chojnowski Ph.D (A)
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Thank you, Mr. V., -yes–lots of ignorance can be cleared up via your suggestion.
I’d be really interested to hear other people’s opinions on the claim that there were, in fact, two Lucias of Fatima. I can’t be the only one who finds it at least an interesting possibility.
Dear Louie,
We’ve read everything we could get our hands on regarding Fatima for the past 40 years, and the only thing that fully explains what has occurred, is the diabolic disorientation Our Lady told Sister Lucia would start at the top.
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Bearing that in mind, though, it occurred to us a number of times that the actual hands-on conspiracy to deceive, could have begun way back with one or very few people involved, from the moment Sister Lucia finished writing the 3rd Secret down, and handed it off, in trust, to her superior(s).
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If someone tampered with it from that beginning point, or anytime before it was first officially read by a Pope, then everything that followed could possibly have resulted from their “good faith” actions, including their apparent disbelief that it could have actually come from Our Lady. The deceiver could have left it intact except for one single point which made it “impossible” to believe. The Devil loves to mix falsehood and truth, we’ve noticed.
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We think it’s not any more far-fetched to consider that possibility, than everything else that points to a conspiracy of deceit involving greater numbers of people over all these years.
—-One seemingly more far-fetched theory that sounded totally “kooky” at first, is the idea that Sister Lucia was secretly “replaced” at some point–perhaps after a serious illness or before her arrival at a new convent.
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We shook our heads in disbelief too, until we saw the photos side by side of what could only be two different sets of jaws and lips–even considering the change in habit, age or weight, and if she got dentures at some point, the lips don’t go from full to flat, and the jaw doesn’t shift from any of those.
http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g12htArt2_TwoSisterLucys.htm
Matthew,
We must have been writing while you posted. (Great minds think alike? lol.)
The counterfeit Lucia theory is interesting. I used to stay away from the Dimonds, until I realized that I wasn’t listening to them because some of their arguments are very compelling.
Whether or not there were two Lucias really isn’t the point. The point is that huge conspiracy theories aside, Catholics have been willfully deceived by many of their shepherds. The evidence exists that one of these deceptions has to do with the revelations of Fatima.
This pope, or any of the “papabile” evident at this time, will never specifically consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. You would have an easier time convincing Vladimir Putin of the necessity of the Consecration of Russia than Pope Francis or most of the world’s Catholic bishops.
The issue isn’t the apostasy in the church of Rome. The issue is, and always will be, that faithful Catholics hold on to the Faith with tenacity, supporting the Truth, and praying for the conversion of the unfaithful, including the hierarchy in Rome and elsewhere.
Before you dismiss the Sister Lucia replacement as non-essential, think about h”w many like us were fully convinced to give up on Fatima and its messages-possibly including the prayer life you mention that is so important–only when they were led to believe that the “real” sister Lucia suddenly reversed her years of declaring the Consecration not-accepted by Heaven, or pleasing in effort but not going to bring about the Promises, to Fully accepted with no need to do anything else. If they were able to have a person believed to be Sister, actually speak words like that, it would have to be accepted even by the most incredulous in the hierarchy and laity. As it was. Every claim but that, didn’t quite have the power to fully convince people, that Fr. Nicholas Gruner must be a nut case or senile. Yet from his lips, we’ve heard the truth about Fatima.
p.s.
You mentioned having an easier time convincing Vladimir Putin about the need to Consecrate Russia, than the Pope. But Our Lady Promised it will happen and “late”.
BTW, are you aware of the date of Vladimir Putin’s Birth?
October 7, 1952 in St. Petersburg, Russia–The Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary. Keep praying the Rosary, and we may all see this happen.
For anyone who believes the consecration was done and we’re heading for, or in the time of peace, (as unlikely as that is here) here’s a link to a map of the proposed Caliphate announced by ISIS in Iraq yesterday 5-year plan.
Scroll down a bit to see the map if you want to skip the video.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/terrifying-isis-map-showing-year-expansion-plan/story?id=24366850
THE BAD GUYS ARE THE BLACK.
Russia is backing the fight to keep Iraq with the U.S. but fighting on the opposite side in Syria, and waiting along the border in Ukraine with troops.
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Ukraine’s president announced yesterday that the Cease fire is over, and they are about to wipe out the rebels. They are signing on to the EU against Putin’s warnings that dire consequences will result.
This jihad problem is something Pat Buchanon -writing for the “Wanderer” decades ago, predicted would result in the take-over of Europe by now, based on the use of Contraception and Abortion, he said populations would decrease so far, they would have to bring in workers, and the Moslems were continuing to increase because of their refusal to use such things. Their populations have increased and they’ve built Mosques all over Europe. France has over 5million living among them.
Today, the European Court ruled they are not allowed to cover their faces fully, and that decision has no appeal. When the French courts first gave that ruling years ago, there were riots and streets afire all over France.
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Yesterday, the Netherlands warned of a huge security problem, from possible home-grown terrorists. Hundreds go to fight in Syria, and come backed battle hardened and ready for anything. The police can’t follow them all and with cell phones and other communication methods, -they call it “swarming” they are able to elude the authorities.
This problem is all over the world right now. And this week it’s headlines.
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Israel just found the dead bodies of the three kidnapped teens they’ve been searching for 2 weeks for, and today, bombed in the Gaza strip, destroying Hamas homes of suspected culprits. Palestinians are calling their leader Abbas–who met and prayed with the Pope for peace on Pentecost, calling him a traitor.
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This is a good time to listen to Father Gruner, and ask the Pope to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart.
Sorry if we’ve said too much, but Father Gruner’s work brought us close to our Faith after growing up in the 60’s. He is one of our hero’s, and Fatima is something we eat, sleep, and breathe–a source of real Hope for many years.
Back when I was still blissfully strolling down the neo-Catholic way, I heard this Jimmy Akin podcast justifying why he thought the consecration to Russia had been completed: http://traffic.libsyn.com/jimmyakinpodcast/030final.mp3
Even in my indoctrinated neo-state, the following thought occurred to me at about the forty-five minute mark of the 1+ hour podcast: “This is an insanely long answer to a pretty simple question. What’s the deal?”
Can you summarize his reason for believing it was done, when the word Russia was never used? And have you come to any conclusions about it yourself, or researched further?
FATIMA
SINGS
We battle for Mass
Daily it’s said.
We battle for schools
Where God is not dead.
We battle for books
Published and read
We battle for peace
Retreats are priest led.
We battle to shield
Motherhoods’ plight
To let her nurse child
At home day and night.
We battle for men
Who quietly fight
Support them in prayer
To lead us to right.
We battle for truth
Professed in the Creed
Say “NO” to the wolves
Who twist it indeed.
We battle for grace
We drink it like mead
It quenches our thirst
Refreshed so to heed…
All that is said
By wolves wearing rings
Corrupting the facts
With traditional slings.
But triumph is coming
Heart Immaculate brings
‘Cause the war ain’t over…
Till FATIMA sings!!
It just seems par for the course of those that believe JPII “the great” could do no wrong. Akin will defend anything he did, no matter how scandalous.
John Salza explores the Two Lucies question in his latest book (co-authored with Sungenis). Two be honest, until I saw him tackle it, that particular detail was just a bit too much for me.
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As Louie states, to examine the Facts of Fatima with an honest zeal for truth is to conclude that we have been had. It is as simple as that. There is no way around it. Period.
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This can be, it is true, a difficult pill, especially for the soul who’s eyes are still in the process of being opened. But – look what we’re dealing with:
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“One can explore the credibility of a source without falling into the ad hominem fallacy – credibility is relevant if facts or the framework of a narrative are largely the work of a single individual or a small number of people. Thus, I believe the behavior of Cardinal Sodano with respect to protecting, for years, the pedophile/pederast Fr. Marcial Maciel despite the strongest evidence from nearly two-dozen witnesses against him should be taken into account.
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Briefly, Wikipedia notes “Jason Berry writes that Sodano, as John Paul II’s secretary of state, ‘pressured Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict, in two notorious cases,’ the Hans Hermann Groër case and the Marcial Maciel case, to stop investigations into abuse.'”
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The Washington Post had this to say not long ago:
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“It was also Sodano who so energetically protected Father Marcial Maciel, the late, prolifically abusive founder of the Legionnaires of Christ, long after he’d been credibly accused. There may have even been a quid pro quo involved, since as Berry – who all Catholics who want a cleaner church owe a a big grazie – has also reported in NCR, Sodano took at least $15,000 in cash gifts from the Legionnaires, as personally arranged by Maciel.
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Even when Benedict finally moved to ban Maciel from public ministry in 2006, Sodano managed to soften the wording of the announcement, and allowed his followers to spin his “acceptance” of a life of penance as selfless and Christ-like. Within weeks of Maciel’s departure, Sodano himself was replaced — but by another cardinal who’d strongly supported Marcial Maciel.””
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http://www.acatholicthinker.net/the-consecration-of-russia/
By no means are you saying too much. Keep it coming!
Well, it’s established beyond reasonable doubt that there are two distinct texts of the Third Secret: One is the description of the vision – which we have no reason to believe is not accurate – and the other is the “words of the Virgin”, referred to even by the Vatican (!) yet quite conspicuously missing from the “release”.
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All the details are, of course, covered in the major works on Fatima by Ferrara, Socci, and Salza.
What is interesting about Fatima is that understanding it makes the crisis “make sense”, in a way. It ties everything together.
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We have a pope terrified of a possible coming “suicide of altering the faith in the liturgy” expressed by Our Lady of Fatima. We have the undeniable fact that the Virgin ordered the Secret exposed to the public by 1960 – just before that fateful council was called. We have Sr. Lucy’s constant, repeated prophecy of “diabolical disorientation” afflicting the hierarchy (even with more specific comments relating to false ecumenism).
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Yes, Fatima ties it all together. And, in the end, Fatima will finish it.
Basically, they say, “the WORLD was consecrated, and Russia is part of the WORLD [you dolt]”.
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It’s pure sophism designed to sway the uninitiated – or those who prefer being blind to facing uncomfortable truths.
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I heartily recommend Salza’s “The Consecration of Russia” to you. You obviously know a great deal about Fatima, but this particular topic (the lack of any valid consecration to date) is explored in great detail in this work. And, it’s quite current, having been published last year.
It may have been Father Gruner, but some time ago we heard a good example of why World doesn’t do the job, and saying Russia is so necessary (aside from the obvious that it’s what our Lady asked for)
A Consecration is a “setting aside for a specific, holy purpose” of whatever is consecrated. So if a Bishop is going to Consecrate His Diocesan Cathedral, for example, he can’t just say, “I Consecrate all the Cathedrals of the World” during the ceremony. That would be an invalid Consecration. He must specifically name the one in question.
And besides that, what was the Pope “setting aside” the world from and for?
From all the other worlds? It makes no sense at all.
And Pope JPII actually consecrated the world and added, something like “and those peoples whose consecration you are still awaiting”, demonstrating by those words, that he was well aware of the fact that what had been requested was not yet being done.
Yes.
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Imagine how silly it would be for a bishop to announce that he’s consecrated a cathedral by consecrating the town it’s in. We’re not talking set theory here, people.
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If it were that simple St. Peter could have consecrated the entire world in the 1st century and we’d be done.
THAT was VERY well said!
For those who ask, how is it we find ourselves in these difficulties today:
“I am worried by the Blessed Virgin’s messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in her liturgy, her theology and her soul. …
“I hear all around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject her ornaments and make her feel remorse for her historical past.
“A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them, like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, “Where have they taken Him?” (emphasis added)
… Pope Pius XII
Quoted in the book Pius XII Devant L’Histoire, pp. 52-53 (by Msgr. Georges Roche)
Wow!
Our Lady of Fatima is a bearer of hope in a time of many evils brought upon mankind by his own sins.
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With Jesus, she calls us to repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and promises to be with us and help us, if we are willing to look at ourselves, be honest about what sinfulness we need to reject, and then take those first steps every child needs to take, to walk to the arms of his mother.
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To help us do that, she asks us to make use of the Church as the font of all Graces through her Sacraments and its sacramentals.
Making the first Saturdays, creates a vice-breaking monthly habit of regular Confession, Holy Mass, Praying one special Rosary and meditating on the Truths of the Faith while receiving Divine Graces to benefit more richly and fully from that effort, and all while offering her a Communion of Reparation for all the abuses we heaps upon her–like the sweetest kisses we could ever give her..
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The Scapular reminds us that she has her arms around us at all times, and we in turn give her a claim to our love and best behavior. The daily Rosary breaks the grip the world gains over our attention each day, and directs it back to God where we find our greatest peace and comfort and grow in understanding of the Truth.
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Hope, the Church teaches, is a Divinely infused virtue, by which we trust, with an unshaken confidence grounded on the Divine assistance, to attain life everlasting. Our Lady brought us all the means to live each day in a way that can maintain that unshaken confidence-though the mountains may fall, and the hills turn to dust.
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Ave Maria Gratia Plena, Dominus tecum.. May we never be ungrateful, again. Amen.
correction–to make use of its Sacraments and sacramental.
Great post, and good giggles. Louie, you said the F-word! Happily I learned about Fatima way before I knew it was supposed to be kooky. I’m a convert but my mother was Catholic and she used to sing an old school song about Our Lady of Fatima.
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Christopher Ferrara’s ‘False Friends of Fatima’ is a good book. He approaches the ‘two sister Lucys’ from the point of view that, in one way, it doesn’t really matter if they remained to same person or the latter replaced the former. He does a thorough study of the words and warnings of the pre ’58 Sister Lucy, and the suddenly very modernist VII lovin’ ‘it’s all good’ Sister Lucy who receives communion in the hand from Wojtyla etc. Either one Sister Lucy became thoroughly inverted after Roncalli refused to release the Third Secret, or there were, indeed two.
A Catholic Thinker,
What you wrote here reminded us of the many reports we heard throughout the years, of Our Lady’s Apostolate being threatened with closure due to the opposition of high-ranking individuals in the Vatican, like Cardinal Bertone, who
was directly involved in the campaign to declare the Consecration a done deal-with nothing more being necessary, although everyone knew the word Russia had never been spoken during it.
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Naturally, by taking on that role, his personal integrity became a factor of the greatest importance, and if memory serves, he insisted it not be questioned.
Yet, he has most recently been in the news, confirmed by the Pope- as being investigated, for charges of misappropriating $20 million from the Vatican bank, and was also planning to move in this summer, to the new retirement flat in the Vatican, which he had newly renovated for his personal use, combining two former apartments into a 6,500 square foot living space with a 100 square meter roof terrace, at the cost of a reported $43million dollars..
As bad as that is, it’s a blessing to have it out in the open, because we are now one more step closer to having all opposition to the Consecration removed. Divine Providence has apparently ordered a house-cleaning to begin at the top, the likes of which we have not seen happen since our Lady first made her requests. We know our prayers have contributed to the fulfillment of her promises, now we just have to hang in until the rest of the way is made clear.
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p.s. Ferrara also takes a look at the ‘Vatican-Moscow’, agreement. Roncalli had every reason to want ‘seal away’ Our Lady of Fatima permanently. So far he has succeeded. Long and short, more treachery and more declaring enemies of Christ, ‘friends’.
and if we get battle-fatigue we can always be certain, the Immaculate Heart will Triumph!
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Our Lady of Victories, pray for us.
You are SO right. Absolutely one of the most deadly manifestations of the attitude PJXXIII expressed at the opening of the Council when he said:
…. We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world were at hand.
In the present order of things, Divine Providence is leading us to a new order of human relations which, by men’s own efforts and even beyond their very expectations, are directed toward the fulfilment of God’s superior and inscrutable designs. And everything, even human differences, leads to the greater good of the Church.
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They may have declared him a Saint, but he was obviously not a prophet–well, not a true one, at least.
Amen!
To more fully share the source of A Catholic Thinker’s above quote regarding the altering of the faith…..
Good quote. What’s funny is if God’s designs are ‘inscrutible’, how does Roncalli have the confidence to declare that ‘Divine Providence’, Who through His prophets has forecasted quite a lot of disaster, issuddenly forecasting sunny weather?
p.s. if there were two actual Sister Lucys, Lord only knows what happened to that dear and holy little girl from Portugal – at least this side of the grave.
I don’t like to get involved in conspiracy theories. However, it always struck me that the Sr. Lucy shown in the later years just doesn’t look sad enough! Has anyone noticed that also????
I’ve seen sites that describe two Pope Paul VI’s also. What’s up with that??
“WE’RE POSTING THIS OUT OF ORDER, AS IT IS BREAKING NEWS THAT NOT ONLY PROVES THIS POINT, BUT SHOULD HAVE US ALL WARNING OTHERS TO TAKE GETTING READY–SERIOUSLY CONFESSION, MORE ROSARIES….WE COULD EASILY RENAME IT “THE BEAST RISES AGAIN”
“Rome will be conquered next, says leader of ‘Islamic State’
Muslims have been called to flock to the ‘Islamic State’ to gather for a battle against non-believers throughout the world
Isis demands all Muslims pledge obedience to its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,
Damien McElroy
By Damien McElroy, Foreign Affairs Correspondent
7:01PM BST 01 Jul 2014
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-proclaimed leader of the ‘Islamic State’ stretching across Iraq and Syria, has vowed to lead the conquest of Rome as he called on Muslims to immigrate to his new land to fight under its banner around the globe.
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Baghdadi, who holds a PhD in Islamic studies, said Muslims were being targetted and killed from China to Indonesia. Speaking as the first Caliph, or commander of the Islamic faithful since the dissolution of the Ottoman empire, he called on Muslims to rally to his pan-Islamic state.
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“Those who can immigrate to the Islamic State should immigrate, as immigration to the house of Islam is a duty,” he said in an audio recording released on a website used by the group formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham.
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“Rush O Muslims to your state. It is your state. Syria is not for Syrians and Iraq is not for Iraqis. The land is for the Muslims, all Muslims.
“This is my advice to you. If you hold to it you will conquer Rome and own the
Having claimed the title of “caliph”, Baghdadi appealed to “judges and those who have military and managerial and service skills, and doctors and engineers in all fields.” —
He also called on jihadi fighters to escalate fighting in the holy month of Ramadan, which began on Sunday. “In this virtuous month or in any other month, there is no deed better than jihad in the path of Allah, so take advantage of this opportunity and walk the path of you righteous predecessors,” he said. “So to arms, to arms, soldiers of the Islamic s, fight, fight.”
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In a reflection of the havoc wreaked the past month by the Sunni insurgency led by the group, the United Nations said more than 2,400 people were killed in Iraq in June, making it the deadliest month in the country in years.
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Baghdadi’s claims to control vast territority have yet to be tested by an Iraqi government counter attack. Many Muslim groups dispute his putative caliphate. However some experts fear his rise could transform the appeal of extremist Islam, partly by harassing social media to build a global following.
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Hassan Hassan, an analyst at Abu Dhabi’s Delma Institute, wrote that Baghdadi provided the most radical challenge since the emergence of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. “The whispers of support to a caliph in Afghanistan are now replaced by clear words and acts, amplified by social media,” he said. “Jihadism has evolved significantly. It is no longer limited to narrow “elitists” who travel to distant countries to wage jihad. Today’s jihad is more sophisticated and individualised and can be waged everywhere.” —–
The Sunni insurgents’ advance, which has plunged Iraq into its worst crisis since US troops left in 2011 puts it up against avowed enemies in Shia areas.
WE ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT OUR LADY MEANT BY ‘IN THE END”
THANK GOD, NOW THAT WE SEE THE THREAT DIRECTLY AGAINST ROME, WE HAVE HER WORDS OF VICTORY. (IT’S THE ANNIHILATION OF NATIONS PART THAT WORRIES US…)
One of the most important quotes in the post below got accidentally cut off mid sentence,
it reads:
“This is my advice to you. If you hold to it you will conquer Rome and own the world, if Allah wills.”
Those of you who have read Catholic Prophecies -not to mention the Book of Revelations, will immediately connect this to those who foretold the
“Muslim invasion of Europe” The coming of the Great King and Conqueror,
The new Holy Roman Pontiff.. The Pope who flees Rome and dies in exile
Those are all in “Catholic Prophecy” by Yves Dupont
The Prophets and our Times by. Cullerton( Rev. R. Gerald)
Anne Catherine Emmerich
The Dreams of St. Dom Bosco–
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What strikes us (besides a growing sense of urgency and need for the martyrs mentality) is the overall connecting of the dots, so to speak that demonstrates the direct results of rampant, unrepented sins–the spread of the errors of Russia, to the growth and positioning of the enemies of Christ all over the globe.
—The Old Testament is replete with examples of How God lets this rebellion against morality–against Him, grow and result in dire consequences that people think they are clever and strong enough to circumvent. Then He throws in things they have no control over–like swarms of locusts and plagues, and shows them how their enemies will be allowed to overcome them, to punish their lack of repentance and hardness of hearts.
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Being Just and merciful, He leaves a remnant (no advertisement intended)
The remnant are either humble enough to have suffered the persecutions of the unjust or, repenting after finally seeing themselves in the last-minute light of truth, they reject their former ways, and suffer the punishment.
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We’ve been observing this coming for 40years, trying not to jump to false conclusions in order not to frighten anyone. Year after year, what began as occasional nightly news headlines that rang a bell, and magazine articles on growing water, air, soil, and ozone pollution, have escalated steadily till THIS day. “Calling all Muslims to jihad and to attack Rome in particular” was the last think on our prophecy list before the “great comet comes and the dust stops two armies from fighting”
Now we look at Don Bosco’s Two Columns, and see it’s prophetic truth
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We say with (most likely St.) Lucia, Jacinta and Franciso—Pray…Pray very much for the Holy Father..and for the conversion of all souls.
To quote the Mahdi of Baghdadi—“Fight, Fight”
To quote Our Lady of Fatima—“Pray the Rosary” Wear the Scapular, Make the First Saturdays (next one coming up this weekend)
Make Eucharistic devotions–go to Mass (even if it’s the N.O.)
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And if you happen to know a great King from a royal European decent, send him and his army to force the Mohammedans back from Germany, France add Italy, into their own lands,and lay his scepter at the feet of the Holy Pope–as prophecy (private) predicts.
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Don’t forget the King of Kings, is coming on his white horse with the Saints of Heaven following, to toss the AntiChrist and his false Prophet into the fiery pit with Satan. If that’s already happened in the past, then we’re at the next stage where fire comes down from heaven and destroys those surrounding the “Camp of the Saints”. (Sounds like the Fatima 3rd Secret to us)
—-One comfort: All the prophecies we’ve read that predicted the Moslem invasion of Europe say it will be bloody but short-lived.
We’ve posted a comment about other Catholic Prophecies below, and it just occurred to us that it would make a good Forum topic, if anyone has the time to oversee that. Unfortunately we don’t right now, so apologies for going off-topic somewhat with what follows
God’s designs are inscrutable AND ironic.
Reread that quote from JP XXIII from the words, “In the present order of things to ….the greater good of the Church,
apply it to what Louie Verrecchio has done right here.
Fatima and the truths it proclaims have just brought together all these posters, regardless of our differences.
It seems to apply to true Catholics seeking God’s will. Maybe he was a true prophet, after all-in that one sense!
Dear my2cents,
Your comment is directly addressed in the link we posted above in #3 and here again:
http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g12htArt2_TwoSisterLucys.htm
You can skip the article and go right to the very compelling photos by just scrolling down a bit.
We too,, shied away from all of that for many years, but found this too compelling to ignore. The pictures say it all. Especially her full lips. Imagine you’re an artist about to draw her facial features. Try doing the outline of her lips in each photo. It’s impossible by any human standards, to believe those two faces belong to the same person.
Unless she had a terrible accident, smashing her face headlong into something that required total facial reconstructive surgery–and in that case, where are the scars?
That was exactly the same thought that struck us, the day we saw the photos we posted here, and became convinced the “conspiracy” made more sense than anything else. We didn’t take that lightly, and we’re not easy to convince.
Here’s a comforting thought about Sister Lucy: perhaps God watched over her and they merely changed her name and put her in some remote convent where nobody recognized her. She would have lived out the rest of her life doing as she always did, and probably died by now–(She was born March 22, 1907) or just had her 107th birthday party.
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Whatever “they” did, we’re sure she offered it for the triumph of Mary’s Heart, and would tell us not to concern ourselves, but to imitate her now.
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It does answer our question, about the book the Vatican published that was authored by her, supposedly. It struck us as coming from a very different personality, never mentioned the Consecration at all, and showed a level of education and writing ability we had never seen evidenced in anything that was published about her writings before. At the time, we wrote that off as –maturation and possible further education. Now, we can see how it all fits.
What we find most compelling is the idea that she switched from Communion on the tongue to in the hand.
—Does anyone know when the last photos of her as the original Lucia were published, versus the first ones of the “imposter”?
—We’re going to go through our old Fatima stuff to see if we can pin it down,
but if anyone knows, that would be helpful.
sounds like a good Forum topic; Conspiracies at the top?
We read about that, too, but were too busy researching his writings at the time, to delve into it.
For anyone skipping some of the initial entries and interested in Yesterday’s call for worldwide jihad and attacking Rome, please see our third post down under #4 above.
look for the ALL CAPS intro—
PS Sorry that message got in the wrong spot and should have read
“above” where it reads “below” (Hope this goes where it belongs, groan)
God must be writing these things–it’s the only reasonable explanation:
THIS (From an article by Chris Ferara..
..” Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, is indeed being investigated for a discrepancy of around 20 million (€15 million) that somehow made it from the Vatican Bank (known as the Institute for the Works of Religion) to a private television company called Lux Vide,” which is operated by one of Bertone’s (i.e., “the Fatima oracle’s”) friends.
AND THIS from an international story July 2nd, 2014, pleading for financial help for the crisis due to famine and war in Africa:
The UN needs around $20 million (14.6 million euros) per month to help feed refugees in Ethiopia, but is facing a massive funding shortfall and fears that its coffers will be empty by October, he added.
P.S. Anyone else notice there are a whole lot of things being predicted as coming to a head in October?
—including the two satellites that give us a view of magnetic storms and coronal mass ejections from the far side of the sun. NASA engineers just went “oops” and realized they didn’t figure on the extra heat from keeping the antennae pointed towards the earth from that position, so starting this Fall, and for a year, they will have to be turned away to prevent melting. In other words, our eyes in the skies will be temporarily blinded.
—-don’t know about anyone else, but wouldn’t that be the first thing they should have considered—it’s not rocket science, after all. The Lord works in mysterious ways…..
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Being the batty Fatima fanatics we are, it occurred to us a long time ago that the Miracle of the Sun, may have been more than just the proof needed to convince skeptics and Faithful alike that Our Lady really appeared at Fatima.
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We consider that it may have something to do with the real 3rd secret, and the dire chastisement (angels with fiery sword pointed at the earth)
So, (for anyone else interested) we keep an eye on that part of things with a great little thing called
SpaceWeather.com which reports anything officially and unofficially spotted in space, that may threaten the earth—asteroids, meteors, sun spots and CME’s etc.
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We can imagine what dear Father Gruner’s NEXT letter will contain, we just don’t know whether he’ll have time to mail them out.
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We’re sure it’s little consolation to him to be proven 100% right after almost 40 years in this desert under attack. His main concern has always been for souls, and not for his personal well-being.
God Bless you, Father Gruner, for your unwavering dedication to the Teachings of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. For so many years of TV shows and magazines, and sleepless nights an work and prayer and urgings sent around the world–to confused Catholics such as we were in the 1970’s when we first started getting your magazine and Father Fox’s publication in the mail, and got even more confused till we began comparing them each time they arrived and saw that his was full of pious but unfounded conjectures that didn’t stand up to the reality around us, and yours was based on facts and reasonable conjectures that matched our experiences exactly.
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Here we are, almost out of that desert and into the promised land of the Triumph Our Lady promised. God only knows what happens next, but thank you for all your teachings, examples of reverence, faithfulness to Christ and Mary. Keep praying for us as you always do. God Bless you.
We can imagine what dear Father Gruner’s NEXT letter will contain, we just don’t know whether he’ll have time to mail them out.
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We’re sure it’s little consolation to him to be proven 100% right after almost 40 years in this desert under attack. His main concern has always been for souls, and not for his personal well-being.
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God Bless you, Father Gruner, for your unwavering dedication to the Teachings of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. For so many years of TV shows and magazines, and sleepless nights an work and prayer and urgings sent around the world–to confused Catholics such as we were in the 1970’s when we first started getting your magazine-our first inkling of what was going on.
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Here we are today, almost out of that desert and into the promised land of the Triumph Our Lady promised.
—-God only knows what happens next, but thank you for all your teachings, examples of reverence, faithfulness to Christ and Mary. Keep praying for us as you always do. God Bless you.
Sorry for the duplication, below. We were trying to be nicer to Fr. Fox by leaving him out of it, and accidentally posted both.
Should this one have a subtitle: Too Little, too late? We hope not.
VATICAN CITY – Exorcists now have a legal weapon at their disposal.
The Vatican has formally recognized the International Association of Exorcists, a group of 250 priests in 30 countries who liberate the faithful from demons.
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The Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano reported Tuesday that the Vatican’s Congregation for Clergy had approved the organization’s statutes and recognized the group under canon law.
Father Gruner’s been predicting WWIII for a while now. Guess this headline makes it easier:
For the first time since World War II, Japan has approved a reinterpretation of its constitution to allow greater use of military force to defend other countries, drawing an appeal from China to preserve regional peace and stability.
In response to Sister Lucy’s request for a sign, Our Lady of Fatima said that she would perform a great miracle so that ALL would believe. Believe what? The Catholic Faith? No. It was so all would believe in her testimony as the seer and prophet chosen by God. Since the denial of the Miracle of the Sun is against reason, critics of Fatima always center their points on the denial of Sister Lucy’s testimony, but this is the reason the miracle was performed in the first place.
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But even in that context Fatima becomes a great proof of the Catholic Faith. Not only is Sister Lucy’s testimony to be considered reliable but it has proven to be reliable by the subsequent fulfilling of prophecy. And if her testimony is true, then the Mother of God did appear to 3 young catholics of the Latin rite. She did reinforce and confirm their Faith and religion. She is the Mother Jesus, who is God, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man cometh to the Father except by Him. All true. Fatima is our great grace and witness in these times of apostasy.
More recently we found this computer aging of Sister Lucia’s younger photo–fascinating, how much she looks like her older mother.
http://traditioninaction.org/Questions/B652_Lucys.html
It appears this link also requires one to page back once.
“The “official” line (that the Third Secret of Fatima and the consecration requested by Our Lady have both been fulfilled) is simply untrue.” – Much too tepid, Louie. The official line, in fact, is a lie, and all those who have repeated it are liars. Thus, the hierarchy is over-populated with liars, in service not to Our Lord, but to the father of lies.
The phrase, “That’s a lie,” should be ready on every good Catholic’s lips to be uttered with appropriate emphasis in response to much of what we hear today, whether it’s coming out of the zio-media or the Pope/Rome axis.
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I should amend my comments above by indicating that when Our Lady said she would perform a miracle “so that all will believe,” it is implied, as with everything, that we are talking about all those of good will or all of those who choose not to lie or believe in a lie.
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I recall listening to Father Gruner on the late night radio show “Coast to Coast” with host George Noory, when at one point, Noory stated that Fatima seems like a UFO encounter. I was so disappointed that Father did not have an answer to this. And this is the one question he needed to answer for this audience, so many of whom I’m sure, have swallowed this lie.
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There is so much lying or, at the least, fuzzy thinking on Fatima. So now we are reduced to explaining why aliens from another planet would be inclined to promote Roman Catholicism, or maybe that’s where the “Jesuits” came from.