Who’da thunk it? In the space of just the last month or so, Fort Worth, Texas has become a microcosm of Christian life under the glorious reign of His Holiness Francesco, “The People’s Pope.”
First, let us consider the lot of the non-Christian:
As a hen gathers her brood young under her wings, Pope Francis recently offered a warm embrace to the heretics assembled at the Fort Worth based Kenneth Copeland Ministries Conference.
In a personal video message just oozing with affirmation and acceptance, the pope was all-too-delighted to express his great pleasure in recognizing the “cultural riches, religious riches and diverse traditions” of the protestants gathered in assembly to coordinate their collective efforts in leading souls away from the one true faith established by Our Blessed Lord.
His Holiness even made it a point to honor his heretical friend, Tony Palmer, by addressing him as “my brother bishop.”
Can you feel the love?
Now, by contrast, let us consider the lot of the faithful Catholic students, faculty and family members that make up the Fort Worth based Fisher More College community, the administrators of which just recently posted the following notice:
The College has been notified by the Bishop of Fort Worth, the Most Rev. Michael Olson, that it no longer has permission to have the public celebration of the Latin Mass in the College chapel, including Sundays. Effective immediately and until further notice, the daily Mass schedule is suspended.
Can you feel the contempt?
And so it has been, and so it is likely to remain, for Christians living under the glorious reign of His Holiness Francesco, “The People’s Pope.”
“Can you feel the contempt?”
From you Mr. Verrecchio, yes I can “feel the contempt” … the contempt and bitterness that is growing in you day by day for the Catholic Faith and the Holy Father.
Be very careful Mr. Verrecchio…be very careful. Ive been where you are. It is a very dark and isolating place.
It is not Traditional Catholics who are waging a war against The Immemorial Church Getthefacts. We only desire the True Faith, practiced for millenia prior to 1965 and the close of Vatican Council II, which seems to have abrogated the previous 1,965 years of continuity. The Pope is the successor to St. Peter, and as such He has the ultimate responsibility to both teach, and display the Faith. What I am seeing on display, and hearing spoken, is a strange new dogma bearing little in common with the Teachings of the Church.
So either the Church did change into something else post V-II, or someone has yet to inform us of how all of the novelties can be rectified with the 1,965 year history of the organic development of Doctrine and teaching.
Like Saint Francis de Sales said ,,You must cry when danger is near”. Especially when it hurt.
End to grow bitter and angry you don’t need search such cases like that, many these problems find your itself.
But discovers them can help you cure.
I wonder why still write things like that, because this doesn’t change nothing. Maybe there a thing you must do even when that don’t accomplish anything?
Your concern is duly noted, Getthefacts. So too is your chosen handle. If you have any “facts” that bear on the present situation, provide them.
If Bishop Olson has any of the same, he would have done well to share them as well. As it stands, his only stated reason for forbidding the Mass is care for souls, which in itself is an invitation to scandal.
As for Fisher More allegedly having shown themselves to be “against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church,” until proven otherwise, I say nonsense.
Getthefacts: the only thing your presence on this board accomplishes is the annoyance of good people — good Catholic people.
You say: “Ive been where you are. It is a very dark and isolating place.” The diabolical disorientation of the post-conciliar Church is so pervasive that it appears that victims like you don’t even know light from dark.
So it is better to not offer Mass at this Catholic college: this will be “better for their souls”???
For one of the first acts of a new bishop to be concerned about a legitimate liturgy is most disconcerting. Don’t new pastors usually spend some time getting the lay of the land and getting to know people and not making rash decisions? Was the chancery stacked against FMC such that they immediately took hold of the opportunity to influence a new bishop? It is not a good sign. Hubbard and Clark were young bishops and we know what they did. May this not happen here.
Mr. Verrecchio,
Just wait until all the facts are in and brought to light before immediately assuming the worse. That is my final say on this matter and any other on your blog.
First the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, now a catholic college (thats actually catholic). How long until other “approved” locations are pulled? Itsa comin’.
And wasn’t this the college where students recently saved the college by launching a successful pledge drive?
So it came to pass, instead of stirring defense of Catholic principles, instead of a denouncing of the injustice under the canonized ‘Second Vatican Council establishment’ under which the ‘Catholics’ have suffered for so many years, instead of defending those who relentlessly in their works, writings, deeds had in their hearts an attempt to convert the world to the One True Roman Catholic Faith………..true Catholics are obliged in the name of false obedience to participate in the demolition style total destruction of the Most Holy Mass of All Times, of the TRUTH!
“What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul”………..but for ‘human dignity, human liberty, human rights’, ‘indifferentism’, ‘religious liberty’, ‘false ecumenism’, ‘Protestantism’, ‘Judaism’, ‘Masonic sects’…….
The primary need of man is NOT liberty BUT religion. NOT just any religion will suffice, BUT TRUE CATHOLIC RELIGION ALONE. What vanity is false charity, which without true conversion to the true faith, will only lead such soul to hell……….A CHARITY that ignites the soul in fiery zeal in the service of Christ the King and His Holy Catholic Church…….only such CHARITY will suffice.
Garcia Moreno, the saintly President of Ecuador who transformed his country by vigorously employing Catholic social principles……by putting it into practice “LIBERTY FOR EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING BUT ERROR AND SIN!”
Is it any wonder that no one takes the Church’s doctrinal or moral claims seriously? Is it any wonder that with the scandalous example, actions, words – of the ‘hierarchy’….AVE MARIA! ……… the Head, Jesus Christ of the Holy Roman Catholic Church is MOCKED~ With prelates like these, who needs enemies?
Does THE CHURCH OF CHRIST co-equal to the ‘church’ of the Devil! Is there no limit to the madness?……”The most pernicious plague which can ravage nations”……Mirari Vos, Pope Gregory XVI
This is the ‘cross’ of ‘true’ Catholics, who have to persevere under such ‘tyranny’, following the footsteps of their Saviour Jesus Christ…..Son of God, Son of Mary……….
HEY, YOU MODERNISTS……drink and be merry……..The EYE of the SOUL of GOD is AN ALL SEEING EYE…….
May God bless All Soldiers of Christ with…….fides intrepida!
Viva Cristo Rey!
I hope the directors, faculty and staff of Fisher-More college get their act together and reject this utterly unlawful encroachment on their rights as Catholics to be able to participate in the most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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I hope they will follow in the example of Bishop de Castro Meyer in repelling this impious attack against the holy faith. The present crisis in the Church does not require half-measures and false obedience, but true obedience to Our Lord for the salvation of souls, the first and highest form of obedience one can adhere to.
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If anybody from Fisher More college reads this: REMEMBER, WE OUGHT TO OBEY GOD FIRST, RATHER THAN MAN. THE HIGHEST LAW IS THAT OF CHARITY, WHICH COMPELS ONE TO ACT FOR THE SALVATION OF SOULS. NOT EVEN THE POPE CAN FORBID A PRIEST FROM CELEBRATING THE IMMEMORIAL MASS OF THE AGES.
I love the Pope.But their is a long tradition of being able to object to that which is not of the Truth.I have found many,many of his statements obtuse at best or even worse.
He reminds me of modernists I have suffered under in the past…and it is certainly the case that the enemies of Christ have feted him repeatedly.
Very troubling indeed.We must pray a great deal in light of all this.
To Mr. Verrecchio…you are sometimes pretty harsh…but I am glad you are doing the work you are.It is important, to say the least.Thanks for the great blog!
The truth is not always pretty and nice. Truth is still the truth, even if it’s horribly ugly. Like Christ on the Cross. What an ugly way to die (and I don’t mean that in a disrespectful way). The truth is that traditionalists of many stripes have been persecuted for years since the Second Vatican Council. This is just another episode. But like the seeds that fell on the ground in the Gospel parable, either the Faith is strong enough at Fisher More College to withstand the modernist winds of heresy, or they fall by the wayside and are trampled underfoot by the world, the flesh, and the devil. –Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us, now and at the hour of our death.–
Like I mentioned in a previous post. Desparate act of desparant …. I want to say men, but I can’t bring myself to do it. There behaviour is downright ‘catty”. Look folks, it’s over for the ’60 hippie church, and all that is left is the hatred, viciousness and vile behaviour. They can’t even go to their just reward in dignity.
As to what we Faithful should do, I am for the reading Francis through Marx option. If we starve the beast…financially, it will callapse from its own contradiction and stupidity. Each dime in the collection plate, only extend the agony for both us and especially them. Charity dictates that we put them out of their misery. And the quickest way to do it, is to not give them any money.
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And just to make my point, take a look at the below link.
http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/milwaukee-eighth-diocese-file-bankruptcy.
For those who don’t know the background, just look up in the first best search engine that icon of VII new church, Rembert Weakland.
St. Michael Archangel, ora pro nobis.
Judas bishops like this can depend on the slavish obedience of such “conservatives.” How quickly they’ve folded.
St. John Fisher himself said: “He who goes about to take the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from the Church plots no less a calamity than if he tried to snatch the sun from the universe.”
We read in the Canons of the Council of Trent, Session 22 a condemnation of anyone who attributes negative spiritual values to the Holy Mass with the implication that it is harmful to souls:
Canon 7. If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema.
It seems that in the church and in the world, the bad that is happening is on fast forward now. The prophecies of La Salette, Fatima, akita are unfolding right before our own eyes. In sounder Catholic times, the majority of the clergy, including the pope, would have been censored or excommunicated. Russia is marching, america is the whore of babylon, the modern day sodom, and tge church is devouring it’s own. Only she can save us now! Consecrate!!
I would imagine prison to be a very dark and isolating place, getthefacts. That said, are you advocating Catholics to dismiss the Truth in order to remain unpersecuted by friends, family, and fellow ‘Catholics’ such as yourself?
If so, I’ll opt for those who speak Truth even in the dark and isolated prisons that the early Church Fathers preferred. For while we are called to honor the Pope, we are not allowed to put misguided love of him above the love and reverence we owe God. Do do so would not only dishonor God, and the Catholic Faith, but dishonor the Holy Father for by our actions we would show no concern for the salvation of his soul.
Make no mistake: this Bishop (who is a Francis bishop and thinks like Francis) clearly believes that adherence to the Traditional Mass is bad for ones soul. Neocats are gonna try to deny it, but that’s exactly what this Bishop believes.
And it’s true! It is bad for the soul of the Modernist, Francis-Church. In that Church souls are fluffy, Catholicism is a nice cute version of Christianity (which is a nice little religion just as good as the rest).
This is the kinda S*** that happens when you refuse to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. You get the new Mass, apostate Bishops, queers raping altar boys and a Jorge Bergoglio for a Pope.
Consecrate Russia and it all stops.
St. Thomas More also said this:
“I do not care if I have against me all the Bishops; I have with me the Saints and all the doctors of the Church.”
Interesting indeed.
My advice to getthefacts is—“Get the facts!”
If Fisher More had the clown “mass”, I wonder of Olson would have the same reaction. How many of our “catholic” colleges and universities promote the “gay” lifestyle? Where are those bishops? How many of our “catholic” colleges have hosted the “V-Dialogues”? Where are those bishops? It seems our Bishops are too busy looking out for those horrible Traditionals. As for Bergoglio, the headline is correct: The People’s Pope! While he may be Pope, he is not the Vicar of Christ and His Church. Getthefacts, you are still in a dark and isolated place. Get the TRUE facts, and step out into the LIGHT!!!
Getthefacts sound like he has learned his lines from the Masonic handbook of things to say to combat true Catholics.
Michael Brown said that you are sometimes pretty harsh. I don’t think you are, or, on the other hand, harshness where harshness is due, as Our Lord might have said when he drove the buyers and sellers out of the Temple, or when He denounced the Scribes and Pharisees. The popes were also harsh when they condemned heretics and error.
Alphonsus Jr. Those canons of Trent would only apply to the Tridentine Mass and other traditional liturgies approved before Vatican II, not to the Novus Ordo which Cardinal Ottavianni said is “a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in session 22 of the Council of Trent.” The binding and loosing powers of the Keys are negatively infallible and can only apply to what is sound doctrine and never to heresy.
Getthefacts = dontovereact = vermontcrank = iamnotspartucus
…= TT
You missed one stoney. 😉
I find it remarkable that the Novus Ordo will entertain and pander to every religion in the world, but not to Traditional Catholics. Obedience to evil is a mortal sin. I hope Fisher More does not obey this order from their new bishop.
I actually live in the Diocese of Fort Worth.
A few things not previously mentioned:
FMC was already under disciplinary action before previous Bishop Vann retired.
The TLM at FMC is not the only one in the city. There has been one offered on Sunday evenings at St. Mary’s in Fort Worth by the FSSP for nearly two decades. This does not change the fact that the students no longer have a daily TLM, but there is a regular TLM in the city. (To be clear- the FSSP priests are located in Dallas- they drive over every Sunday to Fort Worth.)
The student body had an on-line fundraiser due to the many parents who withdrew their children from FMC b/c of the changing direction of the institution. They will be lucky to last another semester. These are market forces that have nothing to do with the diocese itself.
None of the above is to defend Bishop Olson’s actions, but simply to add more information about the situation.
Sal, could you email me at senrex@yahoo.com? I’ve been told some disturbing rumors concerning what may be the origins of these recent developments that I pray is incorrect but I would like to ask you about it. I don’t want to discuss the details on a public forum unless I have it confirmed.
Thank you.
Sean
Sorry, SArmaticus, but I don’t have a dog in this fight. I want my children to have good paying jobs (or be married to traditional Catholics with good paying jobs) so that they can afford to raise large Catholic families in today’s economy. Ergo I have no intention of paying for a liberal arts degree. With today’s technology, such knowledge can be gained online for a fraction of the cost. Of course one must forgo that piece of paper with B.A. printed on it, but is it really worth years of student debt? Better to direct one’s children toward the STEMM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Medicine and Mathematics) areas at the local college.
I suppose there is a history here that might fill volumes as Fr. Z says. And yes cooler heads generally prevail. But with homage to Barry Goldwater, fanaticism, if that’s what our confusion/anger/hurt/dismay is, in the defense of the true Faith is no vice.” Whatever the complications in the situation, it is manifest that the edict is ultra vires. That is, the bishop is acting beyond his power. His contempt for the law is breathtaking. And grandiose.
Btw, for the last 13 years I have for the most part had the privileged to go to a Latin Mass weekly (first as an indult and then under SP). I generally go to NO daily Mass. On any given week, I experience innumerable heresies and sacrileges Monday through Saturday. Sunday is such a relief. And, you know, most priests I know recoil from TLM as if it were a satanic liturgy. The local auxiliary who has done his best to squash the local Latin Mass, foiled it seems only by the arrival of the co-adjutor. These priests say that the Latin Mass is illegitimate, superseded, expressive of the wrong theology, etc. These statements are certainly tantamount to denial of its validity. Yet no one is disciplining them. So what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Recognition should go both ways, and be absolutely reciprocal, should it not?
The excuses made for Rotary Club member Jorge Bergoglio well known heretic who likes to wear a red clown’s nose minus red shoes and made great play of remaining an Argentine passport holder become more laughable by the hour. Only those blinded so much by the title Holy Father can seriously believe he must be taken seriously as an infallible protector of the Holy Catholic Church. He is a nightmare in my waking hours, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a renegade priest like Martin Luther, a despicable creature like Judas Iscariot. In these final days of the prophetic messages of La Sallette and Fatima he is the apostate and antichrist pope that was foretold, the beast like a lamb. His influence on the fat bishop of Texas is all too clear. May God bring them to their knees, the traitors.
And yet, though the writing has been on the wall since he was elected, we still address this person as “His Holiness”. Please.
Sal,
As a parent of a Fisher More student, I can say with certainty that you are misinformed. The school was not under disciplinary action under Bishop Vann, and the financial difficulties were in no way due to parents who withdrew their children from the school due to a change in direction. The financial difficulties existed during the fall semester. And the only change occurred several years ago when the school went from a Novus Ordo school to one that embraced Tradition. The change was stated openly and clearly, even if some did not appreciate it. Those who were not happy with the change eventually left, as would be expected. While it is true that some students did not return for the spring semester, this was not the cause of the financial difficulties.
Regarding the availability of the Mass at St. Mary’s, if you were familiar with the situation at the school you would know that most of the students do not have cars. They have to carpool to Mass each week, and there are not enough cars for all of them to attend the same Church. They are forced to attend multiple Masses (at different times of the day) in order for all of the students to fulfill their Sunday obligation.
There is so much misinformation about the school and its president and so many lies being spread, that it is clear to me that the devil is working overtime to destroy this wonderful school. May the good God protect the school from these malicious attacks.
Sal, please don’t add confusion to this situation by pretending to be an insider expert, when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
@Veritas: Given that you are the parent of of Fisher-More student, could you please tell me if there is anything useful your son or daughter can do with the degree after graduation?
Please note I don’t consider going to law school useful to society. Or to the traditionalist movement.
One of the negative trends I see among young adults within the R&R traditionalist movement is how few men of marriageable age hold stable, steady employment with an income upon which one can support a wife and family – particularly a large Catholic family.
Locally, this has led to many or the more popular young ladies raised among the R&R marrying indult, conservative novus ordo or sedevacantist young men, who around here tend to have more practical degrees from state colleges.
So what options are available for trad young after graduation from FMC?
Also, at the following website listing Fisher-More’s guest speakers over the last two years, why is Mr Robert Sungenis listed as “Dr”?
I know Mr Sungenis has obtained undergrad and master’s degrees from regionally-accredited institutes of higher learning, but the only doctorate I am aware of claimed by Mr Sungenis comes from Calamus University. The latter is an institute whose degrees are neither regionally accredited, nor legal for use in the State of Texas according to the following Texas government website:
http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/index.cfm?objectid=EF4C3C3B-EB44-4381-6673F760B3946FBB
I also noticed that this all happened AFTER Dr. Marshall had resigned from FMC. Which leads me to believe those claiming we are not in possession of all the facts. I simply could not see Dr Marshall recognizing a Calamus PhD.
P.S. Here is the Fisher-More website listing its guest speakers over the last two years: http://fishermore.edu/guest-speakers-fisher-college/
P.P.S. I am in no way blaming Mr. Sungenis for Fisher-More College’s advertisement of his non-accredited, non-legal-in-the-state-of-Texas-where-Fisher-More-College-is-located doctorate from Calamus’ ecumenical and multi-faith offshore establishment. It is the college that is advertising what is on the college’s webpage.
TT – you’d think with all that learning you and your kids have got to do online you wouldn’t be taking up the broadband on Louie’s site all day. What’s your thing? ‘Cause you see, I can make an estimation where many people stand on issues of Faith and all that pertains to it, when I read this site. But you, you are starting to sound like a Jesuit, someone who is on everyone’s side and noone’s side except his/her own. For starters, many people seem to have gotten the impression you are a sedevacantist (not sure where from, must have been many moon blogs ago). But you just sound like a protestant or perhaps even a secularist maybe even atheist who has found a blog where people are patient enough to let you rant – which is fair enough, to have a rant, we all need to (unlike Francis and Mr Voris, people here aren’t expecting any remuneration for their POV, pink ties, silk suits, red noses and insults). But I do feel like i’m starting to have to PAY to put up with your lack of a point of view, because you have nothing but reactive comments. So perhaps it would be more fruitful for you and your kids if you go and react to a local priest.
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p.s. TT, Getthefocts, and like, you seem to have oooodles of energy and time to spend ‘interrogating’ people on this site and laying backhanders on the broader traditional community with slights and whatnot. Has anyone at Fisher-More ever called any fellow Catholics a ‘creed reciting parrot?’ or closed down any Novus Ordo Missae communities? Has Mr Sungenis ever suggested that Michael Voris was fine before he reverted? Has anyone on this blog ever suggested that abortion, homosexuality, (sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance), is nothing to ‘obsess’ about? No. So what is your problem?
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if you are here for sincere reasons, please start to evince them or you just sound like troublemakers; and with the Catholic Fashion and Ecclesiastical Pornpeddlingpornocops on the beat with their batons out, it’s simply bad manners added to expensive insults.
p.s. when Mr Voris goes on a vortex wearing a t-shirt that says, ‘ecclesiastical porn cop’, I think I might be able to take him seriously again.
There are many jobs people can get with a Liberal Arts degree…three of my siblings have them and make over 100K a year. It’s called Business:+) With medicine you can’t start a family until your 30 and get out of massive debt…same with law. But with a Liberal Arts degree and some basic skills you can make a mint in sales, marketing, consulting, accounting, writing, management, and running your own small business. What places like FM do is give you the most valuable asset any human being can have: spiritual maturity. THAT is what provides and gives us true freedom. God bless~
@MMC:
I am NOT suggesting law.
– Medicine turns a good dollar. However, if debt is one’s concern, an engineering degree only takes four years and spits out graduates ready for high-paying jobs.
– Accounting requires a further degree in accounting, meaning more debt.
– Writing? Very few people can make a living at it, especially as traditionalists.
– Sales? Maybe, but why not start there and accumulate liberal arts education in one’s spare time, especially with the Internet? It’s not like one has to go to college because that’s where all the books are, as in the past. So why does one need to accumulate the debt associated with a liberal arts degree when one’s goal is sales?
– Same with marketing or running a small business. If this is one’s goal, would it not make more sense to seek a business degree or enter the workforce immediately to gain experience and avoid student debt altogether?
Again, most of what is learned from a Liberal Arts degree can be learned at home these days, with a little bit of self-initiative and motivation, without incurring huge debt. As for the piece of paper that says “university degree” – everyone has one these days. So best to get it in something marketable in today’s economy.
Getthefacts does indeed need to get the facts
P.S. MMC:
There are the concerns of the online trad commentariat here and elsewhere. And then there are the concerns of the average traditionalist struggling to make a go of everyday life and raise one’s family traditionalist.
– When I talk to trad moms at local R&R chapels who have been around a while and who have daughters (often several) of marriageable age, the biggest worry I hear is NOT what is going on at Fisher-More College or the recent dust-up between CMTV and the Remnant. It most certainly is NOT Louie’s blog.
– No, the biggest concern these moms share is for their daughters and the lack of serious or capable suitors. It is for the state of young men of marriageable age who have been raised in the R&R brand of traditional Catholicism. It seems many of the latter lack the maturity to find and hold down stable and long-term employment. This makes them incapable of supporting a wife and family, particularly within the context of Catholic Tradition.
– It appears there are many Ignatius J Reilly’s running around.
Wow, Getthefacts, can You get any more self- righteous, judgmental, and arrogant? Perhaps, but it would be difficult. ACTUAL Catholics, in the meantime, are feeling the contempt not only from the pseudopope, but from all his minions, such as yourself, who are eager to insult Our Lord and those who love Him.
@Getthefacts
What “facts” are missing, praytell? Summorum Pontficum was written, it would seem, for just such a case. Here is a parish where a “group of the faithful attached to tradition stably exists”, therefore the “priest should accede to their requests” to celebrate Holy Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal.” Yet, the satanic elements in the hierarchy feel no qualms about starving the lambs.