In an October 28th letter addressed to Members of the Society, Fr. Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the SSPX, addressed the events in Rome of the past several weeks.
Using what some observers are calling “tough talk” and “strong language,” Fr. Pagliarani wrote, “The recent Synod on the Amazon was witness to terrible scenes…”
Among those scenes, he listed the following:
– The abomination of idolatrous rites within the sanctuary of God
– The final document attacked the holiness of the Catholic priesthood
– The push for both the abolition of ecclesiastical celibacy and the establishment of a female deaconate
He went on decry the “pagan elements [that] are increasingly integrated into divine worship,” making the same point that was made in this space yesterday:
The liturgy that followed the Second Vatican Council is perfectly suited to this.
Though Fr. Pagliarani refrained from invoking the “H” word, he actually went a step further still, identifying the abovementioned activities as “putrid fruits” brought about by “the seeds of apostasy … at work in the Council.”
Tough talk and strong language?
Perhaps, but let’s be honest, cutting-edge spiritual insight it is not; rather, these observations were obvious to most “Members of the Society” already. Much less does the letter represent genuine leadership in what most certainly amounts to wartime.
What stands out the most in Fr. Pagliarani’s letter is what it does not say.
Nowhere does he dare utter the name of he who is chiefly responsible for ushering in these grave offenses against Jesus Christ – Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who also happens to be posing as the Supreme Pontiff.
I suppose it makes sense that Fr. Pagliarani would refrain from mentioning “Francis” (as he is known), for to do so would only serve to highlight an even greater lacuna in his letter; namely, his failure to draw the only logical conclusion that a person of Catholic faith can draw about such a man.
While early on in the “so-called pontificate of Francis” (to quote Fr. Gruner yet again) blindness and ignorance were perhaps viable excuses for failing to call a spade a spade, we have arrived at a point where it is intellectually and spiritually dishonest for any Catholic worthy of the name – most especially a cleric – to deny that Jorge Bergoglio has, of his own doing, severed himself from the Mystical Body of Christ.
Seriously, folks, are there any who sincerely believe that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is “enriched by Christ above all other pastors with the supernatural gifts of knowledge, understanding and wisdom, so that he may loyally preserve the treasury of faith, defend it vigorously, and explain it and confirm it with reverence and devotion?” (cf Mystici Coporis 50)
Are there any who would sooner die a martyr’s death than to deny that the scoundrel known as “Pope Francis” is “the permanent principle and visible foundation of unity for both the whole multitude of believers and those in episcopal office?” (see Vatican Council I, First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ)
Are any even moderately well-formed Catholics willing to express “unity with Francis in communion and in profession of the same faith,” even now, after more than six years of witnessing, in both his words and his deeds, that his is not the Holy Catholic faith? (ibid.)
Fr. Pagliarani’s letter went on to call for reparations for the “attacks on the holiness of Holy Mother the Church.” Indeed, this is laudable and necessary.
It is, however, but a half-step. It is very much like a shepherd who is all for dressing the wounds of the sheep, but who has not the spine to stand up to their attacker, and so he timidly consents to the wolf’s continued presence in the fold where he is left free to devour the innocent however he wishes.
The bottom line is simple:
Idolatry, pagan worship, attacks against the priesthood, apostasy, etc., these are antithetical to membership in the Holy Catholic Church; much more so are they utterly incompatible with the Office of Peter.
Forget being the Roman Pontiff! Jorge Bergoglio does not qualify as even the lowest member of the Catholic Church, not according to my own definition, but according to the bimillennial teaching of the sacred magisterium as repeated by Pope Pius XII, who stated:
Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith … The cooperation of all its members must also be externally manifest through their profession of the same faith and their sharing the same sacred rites, through participation in the same Sacrifice, and the practical observance of the same laws. (cf Mystici Corporis)
Pope Pius XII also reiterated the faith of the Church when he stated that “heresy and apostasy of their own nature sever a man from the Body of the Church.” (ibid.)
Fr. Pagliarani’s letter makes it plain that he recognizes Bergoglio’s apostasy. Surely, he also knows very well what the Church teaches about the consequences of such things.
So, until such time as he is willing to openly declare – for the sake of the innocent, out of reverence for Christ – that Jorge Mario Bergoglio has severed himself from the Body of the Church, all of the “tough talk” and “strong language” in the world will not make of him a true shepherd and defender of Catholic tradition.
“Much less does the letter represent genuine leadership in what most certainly amounts to wartime.”
Europeans love Fabian strategy. Americans consider it cowardly and indecisive. Maybe the SSPX believes time is on its side and doesn’t consider that another feasible alternative strategy can be devised? Pew research can be interpreted as such: “Modern society, by popular belief, is the cause of decreasing sacramental participation in the Catholic Church. However, the present survey, compared with other data, reveals a striking variance between Catholics attending the TLM versus those who attend the NOM. These differences are noticeably evident when comparing beliefs, church attendance, monetary generosity, and fertility rates.
Importantly, TLM families have a nearly 60% larger family size. This will translate to a changing demographic within the Church. TLM attendees donate 5 times more in the collection, indicating that they are far more invested than the NOM attendees. TLM Catholics go to Mass every Sunday at 4.5 times the rate of their NOM brethren. This implies a deep commitment to the faith. The almost universal adherence to the Sunday Mass obligation depicts TLM Catholics who are deeply in love with their faith and cannot imagine missing their Sunday privilege.”
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/02/lex-orandi-lex-credendi-traditional.html
Bergoglio knows this (the infamous “rabbit” comment is a tell). Time is running out for the NOM/V2 Sect and forcing a “schism” enables them to consolidate their legal hold on the remaining capital and properties and bring in the female priestesses they have always wanted since they introduced their altar gals.
“…forcing a “schism” enables them to consolidate their legal hold on the remaining capital and properties…”
Remember, statutory law protects their “secular” hold on all assets associated with their corporate ownership of “their churches,” i.e. buildings, vehicles, investments, etc. From what I can tell, consolidation has already occurred. Also, these guys have flush 401-K’s as well as guaranteed room and board (and, um, “recreation” with other retired “priests”) at the homes for retired clergy. No financial worries, mate.
But see the following starting at 55:23 to 58:37. It should automatically start at 55:23.
Saturday Speaker Roundtable Q&A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WCrUSV2ApI&feature=youtu.be&t=55m23s
If it’s true that 90% of “traditional” Catholics go apostate, what then?
Fr. Pagliarani’s letter went on to call for reparations for the “attacks on the holiness of Holy Mother the Church.” Indeed, this is laudable and necessary.
Holy Mother Church is eclipsed and prayers of reparation should be offered for Her liberty and exultation. However, the Novus Ordo church is just a whore doing what a whore does, and prayers for the the whore’s hierarchy’s conversion are necessary also.
All Catholics should ask themselves: Is there any real difference between the Synod reactions of “Cardinal” Burke or “Bishop” Athanasius and the SSPX Fr Pagliarini? Except for the token anti-Vatican II comment, it appears that the SSPX is just one step away from being the next Novus Ordo sect’s indult group.
Thank you, Louie. When I first read this letter, my first thought was: “I hope Louie comments about this on his blog”. Reparation is a good thing—a very good thing. But more is required to fight the enemies of Christ. Years ago, I considered the SSPX an army of warriors. Today, they are an army of soldiers who display their military might in an impressive parade that never goes to war. They are standing on the sidelines hoping that something will set the “official” church straight. After all, they owe their allegiance to the counterfeit church. It really is so so sad.
To Louie,
“While early on…blindness and ignorance were perhaps viable excuses for failing to call a spade a spade, we have arrived at a point where it is intellectually and spiritually dishonest for any Catholic worthy of the name – most especially a cleric – to deny that Jorge Bergoglio has, of his own doing, severed himself from the Mystical Body of Christ.”
It’s refreshing to have someone state the truth so candidly. It’s bizarre that a truth which should be abundantly obvious to every Catholic is the elephant in the room that none of the commenters on this demonic Synod will dare to broach–even the self-professed traditionalists.
In fairness, I would say that the above statement also applies to the other post-conciliar claimants to the Chair as well. At the beginning, it would have been prudent to give them the benefit of the doubt, but now that we can see their works in their entirety, it is a different story. The writings and actions of these anti-popes clearly demonstrate a rejection of the perennial faith in favour of the Modernist Masonic errors proposed in the documents of Vatican II.
You are also right to call into question the bizarre stance of the SSPX which still acknowledges Francis as a valid pope while simultaneously condemning the “abomination of idolatrous rites within the sanctuary of God” and “‘pagan elements [that] are increasingly integrated into divine worship,'” that Francis himself presided over, approved, and is imposing on the Conciliar Church. If this isn’t apostasy (or at the very least some form of heresy that conflates demonic paganism with the worship of the one true God) that results in ipso facto excommunication under Divine Law, then what is?
I have been following this blog for a while, but refrained from commenting until having done more research into this crisis to become more sure of which position is most Catholic and most appropriate. Sedevacantism appears to be the most consistent in this regard.
Thank you for being one of the few voices of reason amidst the chaotic mess we find ourselves in today.
Sincerely,
Kyle of Canada
Christe Rex: adveniat regnum Tuum a mari usque ad mare.
Maria, Regina Caeli, ora pro nobis peccatoribus.
Amen.
Dear AlphonsusJr,
An evil tree cannot bear good fruit just as a good tree cannot bear evil fruit. You will know them by their fruits. Who is the Author of those words? His words are from their very essence always commands. Amen. Alleluia. You will know them by their fruits. I pray you are helped. In caritas.
Thank you. The real elephant in the room is that the entity currently occupying the Vatican and Rome is not the Catholic Church. The true Church is in eclipse indeed and has been so since October 28, 1958.
I also received the letter in my email.
I read it with my critical glasses and my first thought was also, “No mention of “Francis” here!”
Throw them some crumbs…
Brothers and Sisters in Christ:
Let us all read the actual letter that was sent worldwide to all members of the Society, by Fr. Davide Pagliarani, the Superior General of the Society of St Pius X yesterday 10/28/19:
“Menzingen, October 28, 2019
On the feast of Saints Simon and Jude, Apostles
Dear Members of the Society,
The recent Synod on the Amazon was witness to terrible scenes where the abomination of idolatrous rites was played out within the sanctuary of God in new and unthinkable ways. And then, the final document of this tumultuous assembly attacked the holiness of the Catholic priesthood, pushing for both the abolition of ecclesiastical celibacy and the establishment of a female deaconate. Truly, the seeds of apostasy which our venerable Founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, had identified from the earliest days as being at work in the Council, continue to yield their putrid fruits with renewed effectiveness.
In the name of inculturation, pagan elements are increasingly integrated into divine worship and we can see, once again, how the liturgy that followed of the Second Vatican Council is perfectly suited to this.
In response to these events, we call on all members of the Society, including Third Order members, to observe a day of prayer and reparation, because we cannot remain indifferent to such attacks on the holiness of Holy Mother the Church. We ask that a fast be observed in all our houses on Saturday, November 9th. We invite all the faithful to the same and we also encourage children to offer prayers and sacrifices.
On Sunday, November 10th, 2019, each priest of the Society will celebrate a Mass of reparation, and in each chapel, the Litanies of the Saints, taken from the liturgy of the Rogations, will be sung or recited to ask God to protect His Church and to spare it from the punishments that such acts cannot fail to draw down upon it. We urge all priest friends, as well as all Catholics who love the Church, to do the same.
Such is due to the honour of the Holy Roman Catholic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, which is neither idolatrous nor pantheistic.
Don Davide Pagliarani
Superior General”
In all humility, and charity, I beseech you to look with a serene and contemplative outlook at what Fr Pagliarani is inviting all third order SSPX members and all SSPX priests to do in the light of these “end times” Apostasy in the Church and worldwide! Has anyone else among all the traditionalists (otherwise known as Catholics, as our good friend Louie says), lay or clerics, come up with a call to arms, and to drum up “the troops” to use the only weapons we have left besides “the Rosary and the Sign of my Son”: and those are “prayer and fasting”. What is the center and summit of our worship? The one and only True Mass. And what did our Lord say with regards to the demonic possession of some: “those can only be expelled by fasting and prayer.”
Instead of all the time bickering and crying like little children “I said that first”, and “let us call a spade a spade”, let us do what each and every one of us, even the children can and should do, and that is trying to gain even one soul “by fasting and prayer” to accompany us as we, please God, enter into His Kingdom! The three days of darkness have not even begun, and the days are running short!
Christ graciously hear us, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy!
In caritas,
You and other Sedes throw the law of non-contradiction against the R&Rers, but what is left by following your path? Just more contradiction. In your view there are hardly any valid priests or valid Masses, yet we are told the “Gates of Hell shall not prevail” and “I will be with you until the end of time”.
But let’s say you’re right, that the Rome-based institution currently calling itself the Catholic Church is in fact false in its entirety. Surely it is now incumbent upon the remnant of valid, Sedevacantist priests and bishops to convene and elect a true pope from among their number. What’s stopping them?
I leave you with a couple of excerpts from the Catechism of Pope St Pius X (The Sacrament of Holy Orders) and look forward to hearing your explanation of where he went wrong:
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Q. Is the Catholic Priesthood necessary in the Church?
A. The Catholic Priesthood is necessary in the Church, because without it the faithful would be deprived of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and of the greater part of the sacraments; they would have no one to instruct them in the faith; and they would be as sheep without a shepherd, a prey to wolves; in short, the Church, such as Christ instituted it, would no longer exist.
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Q. Will the Catholic Priesthood therefore never cease on this earth?
A. In spite of the war that hell wages against it, the Catholic Priesthood will last until the end of time, because Jesus Christ has promised that the powers of hell shall never prevail against His Church.
Not all who think sedevacantism best explains what is happening in the Church stay at home.
As far as I can see, all the explanations and responses to the crisis in the Church, from stay at home sede to FSSP, have gaps in them with no full resolution.
Might Fr. Pagliarani have written this if the Gang of Four at Menzingen were not looking over his shoulder (my apologies for lengthy sentences and not having access to the red font):
The recent Synod on the Amazon (Assisi IV?) was witness once again, following the ecumenincal “doctrine” of Vatican II, to terrible, but not unexpected, scenes where the abomination of idolatrous rites, insisted on by the heresiarch himself, Card. Bergoglio, but initiated by the godless musings of Vatican II and unjustly imposed by Paul VI and dutifully implemented by John Paul II, was played out within the sanctuary of God, (what’s left of it), in new and unthinkable ways, for those unaware that the Novus Ordo Rite had already installed the unthinkable, a Lutheran-based synagogue-Mass of 1969. And then, the final document of this tumultuous assembly, a synod following dozens of other synods, that was instituted by Paul VI to discuss doctrinal issues (that have already been defined), attacked the holiness of the Catholic priesthood, taking their cue again from Card. Bergoglio’s incessant attacks on the integrity, holiness and zeal of hundreds of thousands of priests doing their daily work, pushing for both the abolition of ecclesiastical celibacy, (how else are we to remove every obstacle to Protestants, as was Paul Vi’s wish?) and the establishment of a female deaconate, already a de facto reality in many dioceses, monasteries and seminaries throughout the world. Truly, the seeds of apostasy, also known as the 16 documents of Vatican II, which our venerable Founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, had identified from the earliest days (for WE are prudent, so we dare not quote him) as being at work in the Council, and upon further reflection saw as the masterstroke of Satan, continue to yield their intended putrid Talmudic-Masonic-Protestant fruits with renewed effectiveness, and this, thanks to Bishop Williamson, is no surprise.
In the name of inculturation, praised by all the conciliar popes, especially John Paul II, pagan elements, commended at the Assisi lovefests by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, and which are the practical application of the super dogma of ecumenism, are increasingly integrated into divine worship and we here at SSPX are watching, waiting (for WE are VERY prudent) and perhaps even warming up to the idea that there really can be Christ the King and Baal on the same altar (i.e. there really is no essential difference between John Paul II’s Card. Bergoglio and Archbishop Lefebvre), and we can see, once again, how the liturgy that followed of the Second Vatican Council is perfectly suited to this, so it warrants no explanation why Bishop Fellay sold out to the Talmudic-Masonic cabal, and why he “insists” that we be on friendly terms with the Vatican and the thousands of ostensibly Catholic bishops who are in complete obedience to the Vtican II Masonic/Lutheran-rite and theology.
In response to these events, we call on all members of the Society, (600 or so priests, since the laity have been clearly told by Bishop Fellay that they do not belong to the Society) including Third Order members, to observe a day of prayer and reparation, (we will let the laity do the talking and remonstrating for us (for We are prudent) remain indifferent (but certainly mute) to such attacks (Amoris Laetitiae, anyone?) on the holiness of Holy Mother the Church.
I do not believe God expects we should all become Canon law scholars to see who we should follow, now that many of us see how blatant an apostate Bergolio is and how the church is now under demonic oppression. I have the most simple system developed and since God did not make me brilliant like Socrates it’s what I have to go on.
Only the one who identifies this obvious demon-possessed man sitting on the Chair of Peter as an apostate and declares him anathema and says the words, that he has removed himself from the papacy by his act of betrayal of Our Lord Jesus Christ by blatantly and publicly breaking the First Commandment by blessing and celebrating a demon idol, this is the one I will listen to for instructions on how to proceed.
I am not connected with the SSPX, but know who they are for their image of faithfulness to Catholicism. However, I have noted with dismay their silence during these past six years, while the flock has been abused and the apostasy deepens. Where are they, a Catholic could reasonably ask. Living in a separate “Catholic” world, while the flock is scattered and devolves into chaos and bickering? That’s not leadership to me. That is not care for the flock, and Jesus said “Tend my sheep”. No shepherds have presented themselves, not one.
I appreciate what some Cardinals and bishops have said, but the man who denounces Bergolio and says those words, that man I will give an ear to. He has not arrived.
God send us the remedy soon, or a way to worship that does not include supporting the evil Francis Church. I have a feeling those of us at diocesan TLM’s are going to find our time limited, and the constant conundrum of still supporting the mainstream church however petitely has become a matter of pressing importance. We don’t want to give one dime to these men, but this in itself is difficult and can’t last forever.
Evangeline–I agree with everything you said. I, too, am not brilliant like others who comment here. But I do know, for sure, that the N.O. “church” is not Catholic and is, indeed, anti-Catholic with a vengeance. When the SSPX makes an announcement that this counterfeit church is not the “official” church then my hope in the SSPX will be encouraged. Let’s pray for that day.
Well said. Thank you.
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.” (Mt. 7:15-20)
Get ready for the “conservative” crowd to exclaim “Oh, but it’s not the fault of Vatican II. No, it’s just that the intent of THE COUNCIL! was misunderstood. We just have to implement it properly.”
It’s coming.
Good Wednesday morning Pascendi,
I pray for your sake that you are as sincere in your query as you now initially appear to be. Amen. Firstly and foremost, we can as we must only adhere to, as we assent to, Magisterial teaching and Authority as exclusively, as you now posit from the Holy Pope and Saint, Pius X. God bless you. The Apostle in 2 Thess 2, 14, prophetically warns the Mystical Body of Christ, His Church, as to what we ultimately now hold in the epoch of the, “end of time”, as this is what he is speaking of in this Epistle, the epoch of the, “end of time”. Amen. “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” He does not command adhering to the Holy Mass and the Sacraments, as they would not be available in that as our time, but for the most important Baptism, as the only Sacrament not requiring a sacerdotal minister, for entry into His Church. Amen. Alleluia.
Please know that you err Pascendi, when you opine the following:
“You and other Sedes throw the law of non-contradiction against the R&Rers, but what is left by following your path?”
Firstly then, no one can, “…throw the law of non-contradiction…”, as against anyone. The person who holds contradiction in their intellect and will, simply holds it. As Jesus the Christ Himself commands us to judge the external as objective acts of the other, “You will know them by their fruits”., we simply judge the internal contradiction to be that which, in reality as it is, it simply is, contradiction. No one who actually holds the Catholic Faith in their intellect and will can hold contradiction against her holy as Authoritative and infallible teaching, which is the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium, as that then places an affront to the law of non-contradiction, yes. “You will know them by their fruits.” As Jesus the Christ simply cannot be in contradiction, nor then can His Vicar be. Amen. Alleluia.
You then ask, “…but what is left by following your path?”. Again as firstly and foremost, Pascendi, this is not, “the path”, somehow brazened by any perfectly miserable human creature, most certainly as me. This is the, “path”, if you will, of the holy Magisterium. Thanks and praise be to Almighty God and His Church alone. Amen.
Lastly for now, whenever there seems to be a paradox, it can only be an appearance of paradox, as it is simply the fault of our human reasoning, as it falters. Start here for now. The Early Church Fathers in unanimity, which requires the assent of Faith as per the Magisterium, taught that the prophet Daniel prophesied the following: The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass would fail, as it would then be gone from the earth, and only in its prophesied time, and this time would also be the time of the reign of Antichrist. This is the Magisterium. This teaching must be assented to. If it is rejected, that person then, if they ever held it, loses the Catholic Faith, placing them outside the Church then, deFide. I would be pleased as humbled to entertain further as honest queries of you. God bless and keep you Pascendi. In caritas.
Dear my2cents,
They simply don’t acknowledge the false church of Antichrist to be what it actually is, for a reason. Once they acknowledge that, they then acknowledge there not to be Jurisdictional Authority left on the earth, which is the acknowledgement of the loss of Apostolic Succession, which is an acknowledgement of the reality that they cannot be who they claim to be as “Bishops” and “priests”. This is Authoritative Magisterial teaching as per the Apostolic Constitution of Pope Paul IV in 1559, “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio”. The, “founder”, of that false Catholic society was an apostate. This we know objectively, as he assented to Roncalli as though he was the Vicar of Christ. In that very assent, as ipso facto, he lost the Catholic Faith and was deemed NEVER TO HAVE BEEN A VALID Bishop by Pope Paul IV’s full Apostolic Authority in, “Cum Ex….”, paragraph 6. This is how Almighty God in His infinite power and beatitude prepared His true Church for this time, as the epoch of the, “end of time”. Lastly for now my2cents, you cannot escape the reality as it is, posturing as though your intellect is somehow less than capable to hold any of these Magisterial Truths, as that would call God a liar, who commanded that we must have the simple faith as children to enter His Kingdom. Amen. Alleluia. I do pray that your are aided. In caritas.
Dear Evangeline,
Know that your second paragraph places an affront to the Authoritative as infallible teaching of the Vatican Counsel in July, 1870. There can no longer be any question, since the Council Authoritatively answered the question, about whether a true Vicar of Christ can lose his personal faith. He simply cannot, as the Council commanded:
“This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.”
Do you see how simple and true and beautiful that Authoritative teaching is, Evangeline? That which a 12 year old who holds the true Faith would know with apodictic certitude. Amen. Alleluia. I do pray that you are aided in your quest to hold the Catholic Faith by virtue of this infallible as Authoritative, Magisterial teaching. Amen. In caritas.
mothermostforgiving–The intent of the Council was to destroy Our Lord’s Church. It seems their intent was successful, but Our Lord’s Church will be restored with Divine Guidance by those who remain Faithful.
Thank you, In caritas, for your considered reply and be assured that my inquiry is sincere.
I would just add the following:
Failure of the Mass would imply failure of the priesthood, would it not? Pope St Pius X states the priesthood “will last until the end of time”, which appears to contradict Daniel. If the Catholic faith is true, this must, as you say, “only be an appearance of paradox”.
Surrounded as we are by this and other apparent paradoxes, can you really condemn people for taking the R&R stance? Was Archbishop Lefebvre really an apostate, as you have described him on more than one occasion, or was he not simply struggling to find the prudent response to an unprecedented situation?
There remains the question of why the Sedevacantist priests and bishops don’t hold a conclave, but that can wait for another day.
Hello again Pascendi,
Lefebvre was objectively an apostate, yes. Why? He assented to a false pope as though he could have been the Vicar of Christ. We know that objectively. Had Lefebvre held the Faith, he would have received the grace to see the false pope presented to him. He has no excuse for not knowing the Authoritative Election Law of Pope Pius XII as, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis” (VAS). Remember, Christ as King of the cosmos that He alone as God gives being to, commanded, “You will know them by their fruits”. An evil tree cannot yield good fruit, just as a good tree cannot yield evil fruit. You will know them by their fruits. This command a 10 year old would understand. Amen. No advanced degree in Sacred Theology, that which is not even now possible to attain and since Oct, 1958, is needed. And of course it couldn’t be required, as Christ commanded only those with the faith as a child can enter His Kingdom. Amen. Alleluia. As A Simple Beggar has written time and again, “Faith comes before the Sacraments”. Faith always faith, as an innocent child, faith. Amen.
Remember Pascendi, Jesus the Christ is the High Priest, Who of course cannot fail. The visible priesthood, under as exclusively the true Vicar of Christ, yes and of course has failed, as a matter deFide, and as you are correct, no true Mass, no true priesthood. This is utterly linked though firstly to the loss of the Vicar of Christ, as he is implacably linked to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, as the Vicar of the High Priest, once here on earth. Amen.
Never forget as you have now edified, that when an apparent paradox or contradiction is present, it must be the fault of our failed reasoning. Amen. Thus, as we know the Magisterium cannot contain contradiction, the common understanding of the, “end of time”, as to mean exclusively, “one day”, as the, “Last Day”, must be faltered reasoning. Amen. The term of the Church then as the, “end of time”, must be a Catholic, “both/and”, understanding. Thus the, “end of time”, both relates to a single day, as much as it relates to an, “epoch”, a period of time, as a collection of days, thus. At once a, “day”, and also a, “period of days”, as an epoch. This is perfectly consistent with Catholic teaching, which is the, “both/and”, concept of meaning. Amen. Alleluia. “Seek the Truth and yee shall find it.”, commands our Blessed Christ Jesus. Perhaps enough for now. God bless and keep you. In caritas.
“On Sunday, November 10th, 2019, each priest of the Society will celebrate a Mass of reparation, and in each chapel…”
In union with…..a heretic. How does this even make sense let alone how is this pleasing to God?
These long, rambling, affected responses drive me crazy. You aren’t theologians and you aren’t scholars. You have no authority over anyone or anything regarding the Faith, nor do I. Therefore, I will be brief and speak plainly. Most Catholics who are educated in the Faith are very upset about everything that has gone on since Vatican II. There is no doubt that every Pope since then has made decisions which contradict the Traditional faith. None have dared to go as far as Pope Francis. If you know the Faith, you know that Pope Francis is an enemy of the Faith. You don’t need to have anyone point that out, and the hierarchy is never going to get together and say or do anything about it in an organized way.
No one needs the SSPX to make a formal statement about the apostasy of Pope Francis. In fact, they would be the least listened to, least effective group to do so as they are: protestors. NB Whether they or anyone else wants to acknowledge it, they are outside the parameters of the establishment Church. They have formally rejected obedience to Church authority. Therefore, they also have no authority to tell anyone what to do about anything None.
Having disagreed with Louie’s stance on this, I would like to offer that the letter from Fr. Pagliarani really helped me and made me feel so much better about everything. At least someone who knows the Faith seems to fully understand the
full magnitude of the blasphemy of the Pope at the Mass at the Synod’s close.
The Pope accepted a pagan offering (demonic) brought up to him at the Offertory
of the Mass and placed it on the altar for the remainder of the Mass. This act, performed in a public arena by the Pope, requires atonement. It calls for fasting and prayer and Fr. Pagliarani is the ONLY cleric who is suggesting this. He is able to do this because he does act outside of the established authority, and there will be no consequence to himself.
I don’t care whether he calls out the Pope. If you don’t know what kind of Pope we have by now, you aren’t a Catholic. At least he acknowledges what is going on and calls for the required response.
Using the Bugnini 1962 Missal with the altered Canon (forbidden) amongst other things, no less.
Dear tufty,
And so the rambler himself hurls the ad hominem at the others in his midst, as though they are, “rambling”. You prove objectively that you simply cannot hold the divine and Catholic Faith in the 5th sentence of your vulgar screed, as diatribe, as here:
” Most Catholics who are educated in the Faith are very upset about everything that has gone on since Vatican II. There is no doubt that every Pope since then has made decisions which contradict the Traditional faith.”
The one who calls himself, “tufty”, posits as his belief,
“…every Pope since then has made decisions which contradict the Traditional (sic) faith.”
You evidence as there and objectively for all eyes to see which see, a perfect internal contradiction to the holy Faith as Truth. Amen. You objectively cannot hold in your intellect and will that which you oppose, as being cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and under the same respect. Amen. The Angelic Doctor’s most important law of metaphysics. You do this by positing your errant belief that a true Vicar of Christ as Pope could possibly teach anything, as one iota of anything, that contradicts Christ Jesus and His holy Magisterium. That would place him outside the Church, which Pope Paul IV, with all of his Apostolic power and Authority taught simply CANNOT happen. Find this Authority in paragraph 6 of, “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio”. What he taught Authoritatively as infallibly, was that if ever a man who had appeared to ascend the See of Peter, ever as ever, without any time limits, “appeared”, to not only commit heresy but also if he, “appeared to”, “deviate from the Faith”, he was NEVER AS EVER the Pope to begin with, and regardless of whether he was, “accepted”, by the entire College of Cardinals, Episcopacy, and the Universal Church. Amen. This is the Authoritative teaching of the Magisterium and since you deny it, you simply cannot hold the Catholic Faith. You’ve got some work before you tufty. Beg the Blessed Virgin for her Immaculate guidance. Amen. I pray this admonition assists you in your desire to hold the Catholic Faith. In caritas.
Thank you, Tufty, for a simple, clear, and productive post. I agree with you except for this, “They have formally rejected obedience to Church authority. ” The topic of true or false obedience can be for another discussion.
But, your words ring true. One need not be a theologian to understand what is going on with Francis. The waiting and watching his destruction of the Church is a test of faith, but we must not lose hope and despair and abandon the cross.
Perhaps the SSPX leaders are hoping that the legitimate authorities, ie. cardinals, will step up and denounce Francis. I have heard this said within the Society. They do respect their authority and know the proper protocol in Church matters. The Society priests are focused on one thing – the salvation of souls – and as missionaries this is what they do best. It is the heart of their mission and the reason Abp. Lefebvre did what he did. Just remember, the highest law of the Church is the salvation of souls.
Most SSPX faithful are joyful amidst the crisis, because they are living their faith fully, while trying their best to pass on what they have received – Tradition.
We are all earnest on our Catholic faith, that’s a good thing. We need to try to keep a cool head, even though at times that is asking a lot. We are frightened sheep, not without good reason.
We must now admit we are in strange and new territory. Our pope has gone into apostasy. Old rules may not apply any longer, no matter how much we wish they would, if only for some sense of security. Understandable. And we all have to make up our own minds on these matters, there is no one (at the moment) to lead.
What can we rely on. What God Himself told us. More than any council or church father or wise theologian over the years, Scripture has the answer, because God knew these days would come.
Beware of false shepherds.
“If anyone, even an angel of light comes preaching a Gospel different from the Gospel I preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema)”. Galatians 1:8-9.
IS what Bergolio teaches a “different Gospel”? I’ll leave you to decide that for yourself, because we all must decide that and respond as we discern best, but Pachamama is nowhere in Scripture that I know of, nor a great many other things he promotes, but there are plenty of warnings about error and false shepherds and itching ears.
We don’t need an authority to tell us Bergolio is an apostate and the church has fallen into apostasy. We can already know it. But there are many Catholics out there who do not know it, and as the church goes, so goes the world. Someone with the authority of a Cardinal or Bishop needs to identify him as a heretic and warn the faithful, who then must decide whom they will follow, Jesus Christ, or this fallen pope and church. What we do after that moment has yet to be provided us, but God will provide for us or, sustain us in faith while we wait. If it gets down to Scripture and the Rosary, so be it. He promised to be with us to the end no matter what.
Sorry, “about” our Catholic faith.
That is not what paragraph 6 of Cum Ex Apost. says. Amen.
You are a shill. Amen.
And a silly one at that. Amen. Alleluia.
Dear Evangeline,
The Church, as the Mystical Body of Christ, cannot ever false into apostasy. The entity you speak of is a church, but it is not the Catholic Church; this is the “operation of error” spoken of in 2 Thess Ch. 2, the grand deception which would deceive even the elect, if that were possible, as stated.
Who really is the shill here? Here it is:
6. Adding that if at any time it will be found that some bishop, even conducting himself as an archbishop or patriarch or already mentioned cardinal of the Roman Church, even, as shown, a legate, or even a Roman Pontiff, ****before his promotion or assumption as cardinal or as Roman Pontiff had deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy, before his promotion or assumption as Cardinal or as Roman Pontiff, that promotion or assumption concerning him, even if made in concord and from the unanimous assent of all the cardinals, is null, void and worthless;**** not by the reception of consecration, not by the ensuing possession of the office and administration, or as if, either the enthronement or homage of the Roman Pontiff, or the obedience given to him by all, and the length of whatever time in the future, can be said to have recovered power or to be able to recover power, nor can (the assumption or promotion) be considered as legitimate in any part of it, and for those who are promoted as bishops or archbishops or patriarchs or assumed as primates, or as cardinals or even as Roman Pontiff, no faculty of administration in spiritual or temporal matters may be thought to have been attributed or to attribute, ****but may all things and each thing in any way said, done, effected and administered and then followed up in any way through them lack power**** and they are not able to attribute any further power nor right to anyone; and they themselves who are thus promoted and ***assumed by that very fact, without any further declaration to be made, are deprived of every dignity, place, honor, title, authority, function and power; ****and yet it is permitted to all and each so promoted and assumed, if they have not deviated from the Faith before nor have been heretics, nor have incurred or excited or committed schism.
Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio – Pope Paul IV
Apparently Mr. Verrecchio and his ‘followers’ wish for the Society of St. Pius X to betray its founder by taking a stance that Archbishop Lefebvre always refused, that of sedevacantist.
As a 40 yr. faithful of the Society, I find it interesting that the same people who were condemning the Society’s ‘rashness’ in questioning the Council and its subsequent popes, are now criticizing the Society for its ‘failure’ to usurp the leadership of the Church from the man, that as far as the Church is concerned, it the pope.
When, in the history of the Church, has any bishop, by himself, declared for the Church that a pope was not the pope? These matters were almost always decided later, after the pope in question was dead.
My 2 cents is: the “other elder brothers” will come to Faith BEFORE the N.O. apostate hierarchy will do… and only a fraction of them will be able to do so…
2020 is the year to see… will ratzinger die this year? Petrus Romanus will come after his death? on about how long interregnum?
what did you expect from them? their JOB is to do “control damage” in the please of the current regime!
“….wish for the Society of St. Pius X to betray its founder by taking a stance that Archbishop Lefebvre always refused, that of sedevacantist.”
Always? FALSE.
False. Mr. Verrechio and a decent number of his “followers” as you call them, are simply seeking the Truth. The fallen priest you follow was an apostate; he signed the documents of Vatican II. Public heresy plain and simple for all to see.
Hahaha 2Vermont. I didn’t even bother with that one.
How many identities do you post under, shill?
Refer to this article:
http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/blog-page_19.html
“…the church has fallen into apostasy…”
What “church” are we talking about here? The Catholic Church is the Body of Christ (and He is its Head). So, the Body of Christ participates DIRECTLY in His divinity. And something that is part of the Divine cannot lose the Faith, i.e. “fall into apostasy.”
Logic and reason—that’s Catholicism.
True or False Pope? By a “former” Freemason? That’s all you got? You must be new here. That book needs to be burned.
And you lied about Paragraph 6, as if people can’t read for themselves, shill.
“The waiting and watching his destruction of the Church is a test of faith…”
He wishes. No, “Francis” cannot destroy that which Christ told us would withstand the gates of hell. The Novus Ordo “popes” were installed to push forward what was hoped would be the destruction of the Church. What we’re seeing right now is the clown who is supposed to finish off what Wojtyla (aka “John Paul II”) set up for him to demolish. The devil took such care to gradually, incrementally, and (what appeared to be) gently infect the Body of Christ until—he hoped—it would fall like a rotten tree. The laity had to be deceived by “The Springtime of Vatican II.” But the hammer had to come down eventually and that’s what we’re witnessing. It’s ugly. Satan must eventually show his hand, and he’s doing it right now.
Regardless of whether or not the intent was “post-election heresy” (which would have been a matter if simple oversight or haste) name ONE of your beloved “Popes” who had NOT fallen into public heresy prior to “elevation”. We’ve already covered all of this around here. They lie when they say that we need the “Church” to tell us someone is an heretic and initiate formal proceedings. The Vatican Council has also taught us the Truth that a Pope CANNOT lose his personal Faith nor ever be an heretic; impossible by Divine decree and design. I’ve read that trash before and it’s full of error and lies. Go ahead and follow the lies and opinions of mere men to your own damnation, if you must. Some care more about the Truth than their own deadly pride and being “right”.
Our Lady Destroyer of Heresies, pray for us.
Siscoe and Salza.
Siscoe and Salza are two cap guns in a fireworks show.
Next.
In Caritas,
The whole Church must have apostatized the moment Roncalli’s election was announced, because no one objected, and everybody knew, or should have known, he was a heretic, objectively anyway.
Every Cardinal, Bishop, Priest, Religious and layman instantly became a full blown apostate because they accepted him, even for a moment.
There was therefore no faith left on earth at all in 1958. The Church ended that day. The Church had apostolic succession, but that was broken in 1958 and cannot be recovered. We must only be spectators on the Church, which existed up until 1958, but now exists no more. Membership in the Church is now impossible, as anyone with eyes to see can see. Anyone who doubts this is an apostate heretic. Amen. Period and End. Alleluia.
In that case, Baptism is now a sacrilege because it attempts to make one a member of the Church, when anyone with Faith will have the grace to know that the Church no longer exists. Period and End.
Dear IC–Thank you for your prayers to aid me. Your extreme intelligence and humility dazzle my mind. Apparently, you know the TRUTH about everything and nothing holds you back to display this inspired brilliance in as many words as possible. Amen. Alleluia. I do pray that you are aided by my prayers also. In Love.
Dear My2cents,
There is hardly any personal attack on you in that reply. Why the defensiveness? You ARE intelligent or you wouldn’t even be here; at least I don’t consider you to be unintelligent or as “simple-minded” as you say you are. Why don’t you instead focus your energy on digging into the substance of what is being presented? Do you not agree that holding even a minute percentage of error in these matters might cost us our very soul? I say this with all sincerity.
Sorrowful and Immaculate heart of Mary, pray for us.
In caritas writes:
“You evidence as there and objectively for all eyes to see which see, a perfect internal contradiction to the holy Faith as Truth. Amen. You objectively cannot hold in your intellect and will that which you oppose, as being cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and under the same respect. Amen. The Angelic Doctor’s most important law of metaphysics.”
Anyone else would have just written “that’s a contradiction”, and moved on to the next point they were trying to make.
The Papal Subject said: “The whole Church must have apostatized the moment Roncalli’s election was announced, because no one objected, and everybody knew, or should have known, he was a heretic, objectively anyway.”
You jest.
If you keep heaping praise like that upon him, IC will double his word count in every post, guaranteed. Then you’ll be even more dazzled!
You sound like a lady, the way you write. Don’t speak to a guy in that way. You have no idea what it’s like. Pride is worse than any other sin, and men have a weakness for it.
On your part, the gushy tone for this fellow’s verbosity is simply embarrassing. Please stop it.
TPS,
You failed to detect the sarcasm in my2cents’ response.
It must have slipped me by! I’ve seen other comments which weren’t sarcastic on here, so it caught me off guard.
I’m taking In Caritas’ assessment of things at face value and drawing out more conclusions from it. That’s the truth as it is in being and in reality in Act, not merely in Potency. There is no contradiction in essence or being in what I have written, which is evidence of Divine Inspiration, which is infallible and remains forever. Amen. Quod scripsi, scripsi. Amen. Alleluia. Period and End.
And yes TPS,
Simply another ad hominem attack. You’re good at those. How did you miss that which you do so well, demonstrating while at once, your inability to produce valid opposition to truth, and of course?
And now, copied and pasted, TPS at his VERY BEST.
The Papal Subject
October 30, 2019
“In caritas writes:
“You evidence as there and objectively for all eyes to see which see, a perfect internal contradiction to the holy Faith as Truth. Amen. You objectively cannot hold in your intellect and will that which you oppose, as being cannot both be and not be, at the same time, and under the same respect. Amen. The Angelic Doctor’s most important law of metaphysics.”
Anyone else would have just written “that’s a contradiction”, and moved on to the next point they were trying to make.”
Oh’ and perhaps just moments later, this piece of pure intellective prowess by the one who calls himself and yes, “The PAPAL Subject”. Swell.
”
The Papal Subject
October 30, 2019
I’m taking In Caritas’ assessment of things at face value and drawing out more conclusions from it. That’s the truth as it is in being and in reality in Act, not merely in Potency. There is no contradiction in essence or being in what I have written, which is evidence of Divine Inspiration, which is infallible and remains forever. Amen. Quod scripsi, scripsi. Amen. Alleluia. Period and End.”
I rest. God have mercy on you TPS. In caritas.
And again tufty,
Demonstrate your accusation. Demonstrate for all with eyes to see, what it says. The floor is all yours. In caritas.
And yet again tufty,
I’m a, “shill”, for whom? The holy, infallible, and Authoritative Magisterium of the One, Holy, Roman Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Sure, to the one who calls himself, “tufty”, I’ll, “shill”, for that Being unto my last breath. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
ASB,
Are you sure he’s, “former”? I’m just sayin’. God bless and keep you. In caritas.
Sorry ASB, I missed your, ” “, around former.
Precisely why I used quotation marks, IC.
Have you thought about getting your own blog, In Caritas? Not being smart, just wondering. You have a lot to say and the time to say it, and this is a comments section on someone else’s blog.
In caritas isn’t just anyone else, but is a deeply disturbed pious devil. Madmen will behave as madmen.
TPS,
Simply to abjure your utter and it would now seem to be, implacable errors, for the benefit of anyone who genuinely seeks the divine and Catholic Faith. Demonstrate how you, TPS, the one who claims submission to the Pope in his own moniker, can somehow affront the full Apostolic power and Authority of Pope Pius XII in, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis”. The floor is now all yours’, as the erudite one, yes? Go for it, so we can all learn, not from the holy Magisterium, but from one as TPS, who simply denies it. We await your shot. God have mercy on you. In caritas. And by the way, and according to the erudite one, as TPS, “Baptism is now a sacrilege”, the only Sacrament whose external sign of grace does not require a sacerdotal minister for its administration. The most important Sacrament, as it allows for entry into the Holy Church unto the Last Day. Amen. Alleluia. You mean that Sacrament TPS? The only one yet available in the cosmos. You are so blatantly foolish that it would be laughable, if your were not objectively on your way to eternal perdition. Amen. We await your erudite response. In caritas.
You have made a nice perch for yourself in the comments section of someone else’s blog. Why not start your own blog, not in potency but in act?
Oh’ please AlphonsusJr,
Have you nothing more than this foolish as sophomoric ad hominem. Demonstrate the madness that you claim Alphonsus. Just one time demonstrate any iota of validity your quick, blunt, profane, gibberish as diatribe. Just once AlphonsusJr. Show us whatcha got big guy. What else can be written about the likes of you Alphonsus JUNIOR? I mean really and after all. God have mercy on you little man. In caritas.
That’s all ya got, TPS? Really man? I mean, I’m just askin’? We’re waiting for your argument against the Magisterial Authority of Pope Pius XII in VAS, which by the way will damn your soul for even having one, but you persist. God have mercy on you. In caritas.
Dear my2cents,
Know the First Epistle of Blessed John the Apostle, as it judges you. I do pray this helps you. God have mercy on you. In caritas.
It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. I’m extremely disappointed in some of these childish replies. I was truly hoping that the answer was out there somewhere and that I, too, WITHOUT ONE IOTA OF DOUBT, could receive Sacraments somewhere without ANY risk of committing sacrilege WHATSOEVER. One tremendous problem is that I can’t attend any Mass being said Una Cum with that dirty DEVIL all dressed up (and very cheaply so at that) as the “Pope”. Benedict “Assisi” XVI is no option there unfortunately either, of course being that they’re both cut from that very same Antichrist cloth.
Instead of any cold, hard evidence from Holy Mother Church that perhaps I don’t know about yet, all I seem to hear is something akin to what Charlie Brown hears whenever his mother speaks: nothing of any substance.
The Mystical Body of Christ, the Church, is holy. It does not require restoration and as such I fear saying so is blasphemy. The only thing Satan is destroying is the very deception that he, himself, created with which to lure as many souls as possible in these last days to their eternal damnation, just as Jesus Christ spoke the words and gave him the power and the time to do (1884). Those who love not the Truth more than their own life and comfort are the ones God said He would allow to be deceived.
In caritas, I really do not think that your response resolves the issue that Pascendi raises. And I would like to know why St. Pius X said this if it was a lie. You, I guess are doing a little stretch here in saying that Jesus the Christ the High Priest will last until the end of time but I would still consider that being dishonest. If we were going to lose the Priesthood for “the end of time” that is lasting lifetimes…then he should have said, “the Priesthood is going to cease on this earth, so you’d better be prepared for that.” I’m getting a little tired of all this BS. The Catholic Church is supposed to be for the salvation of all of us, not JUST for Hercule Poirot who can somehow figure out the mystery despite being thrown off the track by even the Saints like St. Pius X. I’m struggling of late to see how this absence of any earthly Church at all does not break Christ’s promise to us. And really, that is what it comes down to and why everyone has so opposed sedevacantism until it literally punched us in the face with Jorge. He promised us the gates of Hell would not prevail but here we are and they have. Fine if it’s the end of the world but the word “end” means something and it doedn’t mean “not the end.” And I still wake up every day to “not the end.” So… I don’t know, I don’t understand.
“He promised us the gates of Hell would not prevail but here we are and they have.”
Melanie, to believe such a thing is to blaspheme Our Lord.
Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis is a canonical document outlining the procedure to elect a new Pope after the demise of Pius XII. There is nothing dogmatic nor doctrinal nor de fide. Popes have always changed the rules for holding conclaves. For all those who are thinking IC is making some sense by referring to papal documents, he is wrong to use VAS since there is absolutely nothing dogmatic, doctrinal, or de fide concerning the election of a Pope. The dogma begins the second the man accepts the Papacy. From that moment on he becomes the Holy Roman Pontiff and is protected by the Holy Ghost when he teaches on matters of faith or morals. He is not protected when issuing conclave procedures. To suggest that people who do not accept 18 days as some sort of dogmatic doomsday device are heretical is absurd and ridiculous.
Dear Tom,
Did you even read it? If so, did you notice the LANGUAGE used? It doesn’t sound to me like something WE should much less can ignore. For God’s sake we got a “John XXIII” who opened up the false church for business and yes on the 19th day, and then guess who changed it? The unholiness himself, Paul VI, and YOU say it doesn’t hold any water? Come on, Tom. Give me a break.
Here it is: http://www.betrayedcatholics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/VASannot.pdf
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/paul06/p6elect.htm
Dear Melanie,
It seems like you are allowing the opinions of others to scramble your mind. Only GOD can help you find the answer in which you settle in peace.
Our Lady of Fatima stated that ALL we would have left would be Devotion to the Immaculate Heart and the Rosary; that these would be the last means given us by God. The last means? What happened to the USUAL means: the Sacraments? Think about that for a moment, and the fact that this was stated 10 months to the very day of the “white smoke turned black smoke” atrocity.
Dearest ASB,
Amen. Alleluia. The blind continue to lead the blind, as that is the way of the world, not the way of the Church, which The Christ established upon the Blessed Rock of Peter and in his Successors. In the Church, the Vicar of Christ leads the Sheep and the lambs. In the epoch of Christianity, Peter was here physically, protecting the Holy Faith from one iota of error in the Blessed Magisterium and so that the Gospel of Jesus the Christ could be spread throughout the world, as visibly, as commanded by Jesus the Christ and King. Amen. Now in the epoch of the time of desolation, as the, “end of time”, we now bear witness to the hideous reality of the all but perfect betrayal of Christ, while at once in the name of, “I’m Catholic”, simply because, “I say that I am”. As though what any perfectly miserable creature believes, simply because he believes it as immanently, has one iota of anything to do with Truth. The deception witnessed in this time would seem to surprise the Serpent himself, if that were possible. Amen. As you write ASB, this hideous thing from Hell itself, while at once the church of Antichrist, as it also masquerades to be, “Catholic”, and while it claims to be, “Catholic”, is literally now as actually now, destroying itself. This is being done so Lucifer can complete the summa and summit of deception. First, that his church was the Catholic Church, as that deception is all but perfectly complete now, and in all of its Luciferian permutations of, this sect or that sect, or the other sect, is where to find The Christ. Jesus the Christ warned us in His commands in Matthew 24, that the only place that we would find Him in the time of desolation, as the epoch of the, “end of time”, was in His glory of glories, as He fulfills then the final prophecy the true Church awaits, as His Second Coming, on the Last Day. Amen. Alleluia.
The second part of the summa and summit of Luciferian deception then, is for him to destroy his church of Antichrist, by proxy through his willful slaves, as would be Catholic churchmen as would be prelates. This then to complete the deception, for all those who adhere to the ways of this world, who simply cannot hold the divine and Catholic Faith, as they continue to reject Her infallible teaching and absolute Authority over them, while at once claiming their faux intellective, “simplicity”, as if it could be too much for them to comprehend to save their eternal souls. Simply put, another blasphemy of The Christ, and while they don’t even know that they do it, they remain fully as eternally culpable, as they receive not, God’s grace of the intellective lights of Truth to see. Amen. They will believe, as so many objectively evidence that they already do and here in this space, that the Church is both the Catholic Church and not the Catholic Church, at the same time, under the respect of what the true Church established by The Christ, actually is and in reality, AS IT IS. Amen. Alleluia. The utter despair then, as they believe the Church to have been overcome by the assail of Satan, will be as unutterably stunning and writ large, the likes of which the world has never before seen nor will see again. Amen. We continue to bear witness by the reception of the grace of the Almighty Triune Godhead alone and as almost alone in this world. “If any man is to come after Me, he must first DENY himself, take up his cross, and follow Me. Praised be Jesus the Christ, the Redeemer as King. Amen. Alleluia. May Almighty God continue to bless and keep you, ASB. In caritas.
P.S. The white smoke, of course, which poured out on the SEVENTEENTH DAY.
No one can listen to or rely on anyone who objectively speaking is outside the Church for whatever reason for any answers whatsoever (heresy, NEW ORDER connections, schism and disobedience). Seriously – do you really expect to find the Truth is these sources? It’s just the blind leading the blind. I can be quite stupid. Therefore I’m sticking with the plain and simple answers from the True Church, true Tradition, and the true Popes.
Poor, poor Tom A,
Firstly, this is written not for you but so that your profound error once and again can be edified for those without obstinate betrayal of Christ. And again Tom A, you now claim to deny what you before claimed to affirm. Which is it, Tom A? Was Angelo Roncalli, as john xxiii, an Holy Roman Pontiff of the One, Holy, Roman Catholic, and Apostolic Church, or wasn’t he? You claim that there is, “no Pope”, and since Oct., 1958, and now you claim that Angelo Roncalli was Pope of the Catholic Church. You demonstrate internal contradiction, the likes of that which, if it could, would cause your head to implode.
And again Tom A, as once and again and again and yet again, you demonstrate perfectly the absence of any possibility that you adhere to, as hold in your willful assent, the divine and Catholic Faith, as you continue to blaspheme Christ and His true as Holy Church, now visible only in the, “Unity of Faith”, which you do not hold, as you are outside the Church thus, and on your way to an eternal perdition. Now you will posit the claim that I am judging you. And again now, it will be demonstrated for all eyes to see which can, that you again place an affront to the Apostolic Authority and power of the, “Angelic Pastor”, Pope Pius XII, in his infallible teaching in his Encyclical, “Ad Apostolorum Principis”. Save your soul Tom A. You are a fool as you are a charlatan and as you most certainly are NOT Catholic. “You will know them by their fruits.” “An evil tree cannot bear good fruit, just as a good tree cannot bear evil fruit.” “You will know them by their fruits.” Amen. Alleluia. In caritas
Here now for all eyes to see, the full Apostolic power and Authority, as the Vicar of the Christ, Pope Pius XII, in his Authoritative and infallible teaching in the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium, as Encyclical, “Ad Apostolorum Principis”, circa 1958, about 3 months before his holy death. Please then, anyone as everyone, who is truly interested in submitting fully, as in each his own assent to the Faith, which means, deFide then, as a matter of Faith. This is the command of Pope Pius XII in the last sentence of the paragraph now copied and pasted. He taught here with all of his Apostolic Power and Authority, as he proclaims, that it is as important as imperative, to give one’s own assent of the Faith, in matters of Church governance and discipline, which, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis”, is, Church governance, as it is to give one’s assent in matters of the Faith and Morality. Amen. As Tom A places a direct affront to the Apostolic Authority of Pope Pius XII, he demonstrates perfectly as objectively that he CANNOT hold the Catholic Faith, as he rejects it. You cannot hold at the same time that which you reject. For all eyes to see now, it is the Holy Magisterium which Judges Tom A, not this miserable wretch bearing witness to it. Amen. Alleluia. In caritas.
For you edification, the last sentence of the paragraph copied and pasted below, is now here for your contemplation.
“This is the teaching of the Catholic truth from which no one can depart without loss of faith and salvation.”
46. “We teach, . . . We declare that the Roman Church by the Providence of God holds the primacy of ordinary power over all others, and that this power of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, which is truly episcopal, is immediate. Toward it, the pastors and the faithful of whatever rite and dignity, both individually and collectively, are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, not only in matters which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church spread throughout the whole world, in such a way that once the unity of communion and the profession of the same Faith has been preserved with the Roman Pontiff, there is one flock of the Church of Christ under one supreme shepherd. This is the teaching of the Catholic truth from which no one can depart without loss of faith and salvation.”
Okay A Simple Beggar, so your response to why did St. Pius X say that the Catholic Priesthood would last until the end of time is that my mind is scrambled by others’ opinions. In caritas says, oh yeah, he meant Jesus Christ the HIGH Priest would last until the end time. If that was what he meant then it was a very tricky and dishonest answer because he knew very well we meant human Priests who we could speak to and who spoke back to us and who you could reach out and touch them and feel that they existed and see them right in front of your eyes. So, I don’t think In caritas’ answer was a good one. And I don’t think that your response to me really has any substance at all. My mind is scrambled…..if you don’t have a response you don’t have to write something anyway.
ASB, yes I read it and yes the language is foreboding for it is a grave sin to be disobedient. One will incur the wrath of Sts Peter and Paul. But in now way does disobedience or transgressions of canon law invalidate an election. Also, for IC’s edification, there is Cum Ex and Canon Law and Divine Law itself that invalidates Roncalli’s election because the man was not a Catholic. Not sure where IC read that I said the election of Roncalli the Heresiarch was valid. Once again IC backs into the truth (Roncalli was never Pope) but as usual, for the wrong reasons. This is what is so maddening for me to deal with IC. His conclusions are usually right or are defensible but he ALWAYS uses completely specious arguments to get there.
Dear Melanie,
I meant no disrespect to you I just noticed a big change in your thinking however I have have gone through all of this myself and know very well the anxiety, pain, and confusion it causes along the way.
I am not of the mind that there necessarily must be NO non-apostate priests left (including bishops) living on the face of the earth. There had to be some who by the sheer Grace of God saw what was taking place and left, and as a matter of fact it is a fact that there were such priests. These priests continued to say Mass in private, amd even were sought after for weddings (I posted a link to a series of letters by a faithful Catholic and this is evidenced in those letters). Many priests left their posts during and after Vatican II for whatever reason. No Pope doesn’t mean they can’t say Mass privately. Daniel prophesied that the sacrifice would fail and the abomination of desolation would last to the end. This seems to mean the PUBLIC sacrifice would fail, and yes, this is an obvious result of not having any Pope for all of the reasons stated over and over here with evidence. It has to mean public since remaining true priests could say underground Masses in private. There’s no law that says they cannot.
Now God gave man 120 years. Who am I to determine that all of the faithful priests and bishops are now dead in 2019? Only God knows. They could be 85+ on up to over 100 years old. However, even if they ARE all dead, ST. JOHN THE EVANGELIST, the BISHOP,…
STILL REMAINS.
John 20:20-23
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.
Here’s what I believe to be the most important issue of all, Melanie, and I’m re-posting this reply of mine to someone else for you here:
It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. I’m extremely disappointed in some of these childish replies. I was truly hoping that the answer was out there somewhere and that I, too, WITHOUT ONE IOTA OF DOUBT, could receive Sacraments somewhere without ANY risk of committing sacrilege WHATSOEVER. One tremendous problem is that I can’t attend any Mass being said Una Cum with that dirty DEVIL all dressed up (and very cheaply so at that) as the “Pope”. Benedict “Assisi” XVI is no option there unfortunately either, of course being that they’re both cut from that very same Antichrist cloth.
Instead of any cold, hard evidence from Holy Mother Church that perhaps I don’t know about yet, all I seem to hear is something akin to what Charlie Brown hears whenever his mother speaks: nothing of any substance.
You are a fool, Tom A,
46. “We teach, . . . We declare that the Roman Church by the Providence of God holds the primacy of ordinary power over all others, and that this power of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, which is truly episcopal, is immediate. Toward it, the pastors and the faithful of whatever rite and dignity, both individually and collectively, are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, not only in matters which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church spread throughout the whole world, in such a way that once the unity of communion and the profession of the same Faith has been preserved with the Roman Pontiff, there is one flock of the Church of Christ under one supreme shepherd. This is the teaching of the Catholic truth from which no one can depart without loss of faith and salvation.”
And again to edify the reality as it is:
“Toward it, the pastors and the faithful of whatever rite and dignity, both individually and collectively, are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, not only in matters which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church…THIS IS THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC TRUTH FROM WHICH NO ONE CAN DEPART WITHOUT LOSS OF FAITH AND SALVATION.”
Come forward now, Tom A, for all eyes to see your ridiculous as pernicious rancor for Truth, as commanded by the Vicar of Christ, as he commands with all of his Apostolic Authority as power that the submission of the will, as the assent of faith, is as important and necessary for one’s own salvation for matters of Church governance and discipline, as for the Faith and Morality.
Now please demonstrate Tom A, and again poor malevolent one, how Tom A’s faux authority surpasses that of the Chief Pastor as Chief Apostle. Please and again now Tom A, demonstrate with Magisterial proof that Pope Pius XII DOESN’T MEAN WHAT HE MEANS. The floor is all yours’. God save you man. In caritas. And by the way, who could possibly care what Tom A has a, “problem with”, as your problem is taking you to Hell, in the objective witness. Amen.
Tom,
I was talking about VAS. You say that it holds no water, and after everything that has happened? Forget arguing and nitpicking IC. Do you want to discover the Truth, or do you onky seek to validate your present position?
If I were you I’d simply walk away then and go on in peace, in confidence that you are not committing sacrilege by receiving the sacraments you choose to receive.
In fact I’m about to walk away again myself, because I have other things I need to be doing.
RE-POSTING:
Accept my challenge, man. The burden of proof does not lay on this side of the court.
You see, Tom A, it is YOU who bears the burden of proof, not us, for Holy Mother Church teaches us:
1) The Faith comes before Sacraments 2) A doubtful Sacrament is NO Sacrament 3) We MUST know from whence our pastors come (John 10:1-6)
You want a theologian? Well then, is Dom Guéranger good enough for you?
“Sad indeed was the ruin of such pillars as these! Peter’s hand had placed them in the Church. They had merited the love and veneration of men, but they fell; and their fall gave one more proof of the solidity of that edifice, which Christ Himself had built on Peter. The unity of the Church was made more visible. Obliged by the treachery of Her own favored children to deprive them of the privileges they had received from Her, Rome was, more evidently than ever, the sole source of pastoral power. We, then, both priests and people, have a right to know whence our pastors have received their power. From whose hand have they received the keys? If their mis- sion comes from the apostolic see, let us honor and obey them, for they are sent to us by Jesus Christ, who has invested them, through Peter, with His own authority. If they claim our obedi- ence without having been sent by the bishop of Rome, we must refuse to receive them for they are not acknowledged by Christ as His ministers. The holy anointing may have con- ferred on them the sacred character of the episcopate: it matters not; they must be as al- iens to us, for they have not been sent, they are NOT pastors. Thus it is the divine Founder of the Church, who willed that She should be a city seated on a mountain, gave Her visibility; it was an essential requisite; for since all were called to enter Her pale, all must be able to see Her. But He was not satisfied with this. He moreover willed that the spiritual power exercised by Her pastors should come from a visible source, so that the faithful might have a sure means of verify- ing the claims of those who were to guide them in His name. Our Lord (we say it reverently) owed this to us; for, on the last day, He will not receive us as His children, unless we shall have been members of His Church, and have lived in union with Him by the ministry of pastors LAWFULLY constituted.”
See: The Liturgical Year, Vol 4, Pages 282-287
ASB, I do not think that I ever said one should go and receive sacraments from anyone nor did I ever state that I receive sacraments from sede priests. I have said over and over that if one doubts a sacrament, then avoid it. I have no qualms with the home alone position, it is entirely defensible using Catholic teaching. Just get the facts right. But when I point out to IC where he made a mistake with the facts, he says I am an heretic. So, it has been an interesting discussion. I think we have beaten this one to death. That is the last I intend to say on this worn out subject.
In caritas, each comment thread provides yet another demonstration of your mad pious devilry. Sad.
Dearest ASB,
It remains objectively as patently evident that this is simply a diabolical game of gnosis for Tom A. He has no love of Truth as he blasphemes Him as obstinately, as he objectively evidences a cold heart—“You will KNOW them by their fruits”. And lastly for me for now, although it remains utterly important to clarify his lies, conflation of truths, mischaracterization of the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium, ad nauseam, and etc, for the sake of those who are truly in pursuit of Jesus the Christ and their salvation. Amen. “If any man is to come after Me,….”. And in light of that, for all those in the pursuit of The Christ as Truth and His Church, now find copied and pasted the closing commands of, “Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis”, as the Apostolic Constitution of Pope Pius XII, on his Papal Election Law Authority, as commanded with his full as Supreme Apostolic power, which rests in the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium, as does all Papal teaching and discipline. Amen.
“Since the entire business has been seriously considered, and moved by the examples of Our
Predecessors, We therefore ordain and prescribe these things, decreeing that this present
document and whatever is contained in it can by no means be challenged, even from the fact that
any persons having a right or interest in things said beforehand, or pretending to have an interest
in any way whatsoever, do not agree to them, and are not called upon or heard relative to these
things, or from whatever other reasons; but rather that these same documents are manifestly and
will be always and perpetually true, valid, and effective, and acquire and obtain their own full
and undiminished results; and we command those individuals to whom it pertains and will
pertain for the time being to vote, that the ordinances must be respectively and inviolably
observed by them, and if anyone should happen to try otherwise relative to these things, by
whatever authority, knowingly or unknowingly, the attempt is null and void.”
WHAT DOES POPE PIUS XII COMMAND IN HIS CLOSING STATEMENT ABOUT EVERYTHING AS ANYTHING AND ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO THE ELECTION OF THE NEXT PONTIFF, then again Tom A?
Just so that IT IS REALLY CLEAR FOR YOUR LITTLE MIND, Tom A, Pope Pius XII commanded thus:
“…we command those individuals to whom it pertains and will
pertain for the time being to vote, that the ordinances must be respectively and inviolably
observed by them, and if anyone should happen to try otherwise relative to these things, by
whatever authority, knowingly or unknowingly, the attempt is null and void.”
And for yet more clarity to point:
“…that the ordinances must be respectively and inviolably observed by them [the Cardinals in canonical Conclave]…”
“INVIOLABLY OBSERVED”
And for further as pristine clarity:
“and if anyone should happen to try otherwise relative to these things, by
whatever authority, knowingly or unknowingly, the attempt is null and void.”
“THE ATTEMPT IS………………..NULL……AND……..VOID.”
I rest. In caritas.
Demonstrate, as FACTUALLY counselor. Bring whatcha got, Alphonsus…JUNIOR. Still waiting. The small man with the little mind attacks the other in ad hominem. Just the facts, counselor. Only the facts matter and please. God have mercy on you and me. In caritas.
Dear Alphonsito,
Can you please help me out? I need proof without a single doubt. You seem pretty smart, maybe you can assist. I’m re-posting this reply to another comment:
It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. I’m extremely disappointed in some of these childish replies. I was truly hoping that the answer was out there somewhere and that I, too, WITHOUT ONE IOTA OF DOUBT, could receive Sacraments somewhere without ANY risk of committing sacrilege WHATSOEVER. One tremendous problem is that I can’t attend any Mass being said Una Cum with that dirty DEVIL all dressed up (and very cheaply so at that) as the “Pope”. Benedict “Assisi” XVI is no option there unfortunately either, of course being that they’re both cut from that very same Antichrist cloth.
Instead of any cold, hard evidence from Holy Mother Church that perhaps I don’t know about yet, all I seem to hear is something akin to what Charlie Brown hears whenever his mother speaks: nothing of any substance.
Dear Tom,
I see. I do appreciate that you not persecute me with respect to my position (Catholicity). As for the rest, I haven’t really had the time to delve into the intricacies of your discussion to discover wherein lies the breakdown. I don’t even know whether or not IC called you an heretic for the reason you stated, because there’s been so much of the “putting words in people’s mouths” going on that I can’t keep it all straight in the limited time I have during the day. Have a good evening.
Dear In Caritas:
In charity, please start your own blog rather than dominate Louie’s Combox with snarky rambling rants. Your comments remind us of the adage:
“Of all the things I have lost, my mind is the one I miss the most”
There is a time and place for everything. This is not the place
Peace
Dear Jacobum,
If you were to carefully read these comments and replies, you will surely see that any “snarky” replies are only in response to those of an uncharitable aggressor, and are offered in the spirit of “tough love”.
Many critical discussions with eternal ramifications take place here, so let’s leave it up to Louie to decide whether or not he likes it and/or wants to allow them in the Comment section of his blog; he is the only Moderator.
Dear In caritas,
I did read and do now here read again commands in no uncertain terms from the last true Pope; commands which call out from the grave to the littlest children of Holy Mother Church in these utterly dangerous, frightening and confusing times.
I, too, respond to lies with the Truth for the benefit of others who sincerely seek it, although it makes me uncomfortable as I prefer to stay quiet and hidden. My love of and passion for Truth, however, takes over and moves me.
Or was it “This is not the Peace place…”?
I decline the invitation, In caritas/A Simple Beggar (you’re clearly one and the same). It would just be a colossal waste of my time. Just know that those of us with eyes to see know that you’re a mad pious devil.
Yet more proof that the mad pious devil “In caritas” is also “A Simple Beggar.” Sad.
If you had anything and cared about anyone but yourself you would make your case. God have mercy on your soul.
FALSE. Nice try but not even close. I don’t believe you are impressing anyone in the least with your idle, useless words that add absolutely nothing of value whatsoever to these serious discussions and topics.
Melanie, at the end of ten thousand words, they cannot give you a straight answer to a simple question. They couldn’t answer my simple question with a straight answer on the other thread. Who was the Antichrist? Where are Enoch and Elias, the two witnesses of the Apocalypse, contemporaries of the antichrist, who opposed him, were put to death for all the world to see, and then resurrected. Who were they? What happened to them?
Simple questions that can’t be answered shows that they have painted themselves too far into a corner, and instead of humbly admitting that they don’t have all the answers and could be wrong, they make it a Dogma.
Yes, The Papal Subject. I really can not fathom where In Caritas comes up with this idea that the Antichrist has already come in the person of some random fat fake Pope who, decades ago, died of cancer like all the rest of us do. No two witnesses, no stunning and visible defeat by Jesus Christ. This seems completely contradictory to Church teaching and specifically designed to cause despair. I hope he’s just plain wrong but the concept he is promoting seems like heresy to me and it’s certainly not good to push people to despair. And he is just flat out being evasive on this point, which is bizarre. I know Jorge is no Pope but I think In caritas’ claim about the Antichrist is not Catholic. We need a Pope or the Second Coming because this situation is worse case, I can’t think of worse.
Melanie,
I don’t have much time at the moment but:
WHO is it that exercises “strength” against the true Mass and takes away the public, true Mass? Furthermore, what happened some time after the big, fat, cancer-ridden and stinky fake “Pope” usurped the Chair?
Some things are simply a mystery that NONE of us will know just yet and maybe never this side of the veil. If, in fact, there are NO true and lawful PUBLIC Masses available (and according to the Church there are not), then how on earth will this then occur in the future?
BTW, It just came to mind that I once read a quote somewhere where it was said that once there were no more priests left (ordained probably before 1959 I would imagine and apostate at that as in NEW ORDER) THEN they would allow the so-called “Extraordinary” AKA “Latin Mass”. Hmmmm.
That was what one Fr Pulvermacher said back in the 70’s.
“When there are no more priests, they’ll permit the Latin Mass”.
It’s not a prophecy or a dogma, but simply an observation he made.
We have no pope, it’s that simple, except for a few popes on here. Such prideful long-winded speculations by a few commentators challenging for the I’m More Catholic Than You Award is playing havoc with my digestion. The FSSPX appears to now be engaging in more of a game of cheap politics than being honest and declaring the unavoidable conclusion, sede vacante. I am reconsidering my attendance at the SSPX Mass tomorrow and in future.
Tony: “I am reconsidering my attendance at the SSPX Mass tomorrow and in future.”
There was a time when I would be open to attending SSPX masses. No longer. I will only go to them for confession when necessary *IF* I can determine that the priest in the confessional was ordained in the Old Rite by a bishop consecrated in the Old Rite.
As a side note, I just wanted to point out that just because “The Catechism of Pope Pius X” has his name on it, does not necessarily, mean he was the very author of it. It was issued during the Pontificate of Pius X in Italy, but that’s about all I was able find out about it, so far.
Also more importantly, catechisms are not primary source documents and should not be quoted equally with Papal documents/Council documents on very important doctrines. And f he didn’t “personally” write that catechism, and it turns out it was penned by someone else, you cannot quote it like it was Pius X’s very words.
If anyone has any more insight into whether or not he was the actual author, please point us to the evidence. It would be very important to know first.
LETTER FROM THE HOLY FATHER PIUS X TO CARDINAL PIETRO RESPIGHI VICAR OF ROME BY WHICH THE APPROVAL OF THE CATECHISM OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE IS GIVEN FOR THE DIOCESIS AND ECCLESIATICAL PROVINCE OF ROME
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/10/centennial-of-letter-of-pope-saint-pius.html
Thank you, TPS. I knew it wasn’t a prophecy or a Dogma but a statement, and all things sincerely considered, an interesting one to ponder at that.
Yes, he did examine and approve it.
Thanks for the link.
BTW, this is in the same catechism as well.
Page 29 (pdf)
35 Q. Can the Catholic Church be destroyed or perish?
A. No; the Catholic Church may be persecuted, but she can never be destroyed or perish. She will last till the end of the world, because Jesus Christ, as He promised, will be with her till the end of time.
Thank you, james_o.
Good Monday evening james_o,
Just for the purpose of edifying the explicit understanding that Pope Leo XIII provided for Holy Mother Church, as it relates Her Unity, find copied and pasted now from, “Satis Cognitum”, section 15, para. 4:
“But it is opposed to the truth, and in evident contradiction with the divine constitution of the Church, to hold that while each Bishop is individually bound to obey the authority of the Roman Pontiffs, taken collectively the Bishops are not so bound. For it is the nature and object of a foundation to support the unity of the whole edifice and to give stability to it, rather than to each component part; and in the present case this is much more applicable, since Christ the Lord wished that by the strength and solidity of the foundation the gates of hell should be prevented from prevailing against the Church. All are agreed that the divine promise must be understood of the Church as a whole, and not of any certain portions of it. These can indeed be overcome by the assaults of the powers of hell, as in point of fact has befallen some of them.
Now to specific point of clarity from that section just pasted above, this last part of it and again:
“…All are agreed that the divine promise must be understood of the Church as a whole, and not of any certain portions of it. These can indeed be overcome by the assaults of the powers of hell, as in point of fact has befallen some of them.”
We know this now, as res ipsa loquitur and of course, as we bear witness to the aspect of the Church’s, “Unity of Communion”, as having fallen and yet the Church as a whole remains, as infallibly taught. Amen. The holy Pope Leo XIII, defined the two part visible nature of Holy Mother Church, in Her, “Unity of Faith”, and Her, “Unity of Communion”, the later which has now fallen to the wiles of Satan and since Oct. 9, 1958, as The Christ was betrayed yet again and this time by hundreds of true Bishops as Iscariots in the election and/or assent to an apostate, a traitor, and more, as Roncalli. Amen. This we know as from the divine command of the Holy Word Himself, edified infallibly by Pope Leo XIII here in, “Satis Cognitum”, with the specific as Authoritative clarity from Blessed Peter in his Successor alone, that the Church may seem as though She has failed as some aspects, and to quote Pope Leo XIII again, “portions of it”, have indeed been, “overcome by the assaults of the powers of hell.”, as infallibly taught here. God in His infinite Beatitude and Providence, providing all those with the grace to see, with clear warning. Amen. Alleluia. God bless and keep you. In caritas.
We keep the Faith, and wait.
Dear mothermostforgiving,
You swipe with a very broad brushstroke, no?, as with, “We keep the Faith, and wait.”, as it is objectively clear that all but all alive in the world today simply do not, as they cannot, hold the divine and Catholic Faith, that precious as divine Gift both freely given and completely undeserved by any and all. You recognize some of the players in this combox, as you point them out from time to time, as you call them out on their pure gibberish. God bless you. They hurl accusations in the ad hominem and yet not a one of those utter fools has yet to demonstrate, as to begin even an attempt to make legitimate, even one accusation that they make. They offer no proof of their accusations at all, thus they are nothing but foundationless as meaningless screed. They literally affront the holy Magisterium and they are so steeped in sin, that God’s grace does not penetrate their souls, thus they do not even know what they do, yet they are fully culpable. Amen. This is the objective as witnessed reality as it is: “You will KNOW them by their fruits.” “An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit.” Amen. Alleluia. They simply make their accusations and they believe themselves somehow to possess immanent authority, as though they are Blessed Peter who is merciful, not riddled with contempt for the other, yet alone for The Christ in His Magisterium. Amen. Their father is the Father of Lies as the great Accuser. Woe are they.
Lastly mmf, anyone as all human persons who hold just one contradiction in their will, as in opposition to anything deFide, simply cannot hold the divine and Catholic Faith. There are simply no valid and licit Sacraments available now on the planet. Anyone who thinks there are, holds deFide contradiction, while they cannot at one and the same time then, hold in their will, that which they freely reject in their will, as no one is holding a gun to their head demanding contradiction from them. Amen. The Ordinary and Universal Magisterial proof for this has been now written all over this space and most recently, the Council of Trent’s Authoritative as binding, with the assent of Faith, teaching that canonically valid, “tonsure”, is required of any man, should he desire the Sacrament of Order. “Tonsure”, is a Jurisdictional power which is held in the Office of Ordinary, it is not a power of Order. It is a Rite of the Church. A man who is not validly as canonically tonsured simply IS NOT proper metaphysical matter for the Sacrament of Order, and thus if he receives it anyway, it is null and void, as invalid, deFide. Now, anyone produce valid priests and Bishops today. Prove canonically valid tonsure. It is ontologically impossible and with apodictic certitude, as without Blessed Peter in his Successors present on this earth, with loss of Apostolic Succession thus, there is no Jurisdiction to supply, as you cannot supply that which you do not have. Absurd on its face. There cannot be a Bishop in union with a Pope that doesn’t exist, as the only man in the cosmos to provide this Gift of Jurisdiction to his Bishops, which was given to him as immanently and exclusively by Christ and again, as a matter deFide in, “Satis Cognitum”, is now forever gone from the earth. Anyone who claims otherwise holds contradiction again, as nowhere does the Church teach through Her Magisterium, Doctors, Saints, or Early Fathers, that Apostolic Succession once and only lost in its prophesied time, would ever be restored. In fact the opposite is true, as the Prophet Daniel prophesied that the desolation after Antichrist would remain unto the Second Coming of Christ, as to the consummation and the very end. Amen. Alleluia. Lastly, it is a matter deFide, that when the Pope was gone, as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass was gone from the earth, this was the time of Antichrist, as the Early Fathers taught this truth also in unanimity. When the Mass was to be gone, it was to be entirely gone, as neither Daniel, nor the Early Fathers made any distinction, therefore, there simply cannot be any exception made to this deFide teaching. No distinctions, therefore no exceptions, also taught in, “Satis Cognitum”. God bless and keep you. In caritas.
“We” refers to those of us who actually DO have the Faith, In caritas. I would never so much as to even entertain a Wojtylian all-inclusive “we.” No, we faithful Catholics are very few in number because we insist (as does Almighty God) on unswervingly keeping ALL the tenets of the Faith. We want all men to embrace the Faith, we do what we can to convince them, and we endure persecution for doing so. And, as tough soldiers for Christ, we put up with what we have to in this short life of trial on earth. Those who choose to take the soft road will shortly find where it leads.
Good Tuesday evening mothermostforgiving,
Wonderful and Amen. God bless and keep you and yours’. In caritas.